I've been on slashdot since late '97/98 ( I was in college at the time so I know those dates are right ) I proudly wear a ( realitvly ) low user number ( 5548 ). And yes, while slashdot doesn't SUCK, it has changed. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, but it is something alot of people have trouble dealing with. And sometimes I too get annoyed by the lack of technical discussion, back in the day there was ( or seemed to be ) alot more computing talk. Ah well, the only constant thing in life is change...
Whatever that means, a little more digging you can find out that 3M uses the same gel in their Health care products a little more digging and you find that it's a plain old "Polyurethane Gel" and yes it is used in breast implants as one person noted before;) Then using the nifty ol ChemFinder We find it is known as C3H8N2O with a chemical mass of 88.109 and CAS RN of 9009-54-5.
Come on, this is another showing of the us government having it's heads up it's collective ass. Don't call it JEDI until it's Jedi damnit. When will they learn?
Boycotting the US Government until they learn
SgtPepper
The preceeding was an attempt at humour, feel free to ignore it
but isn't that the distributation, not the actual linking? Distrubition can be GPLed ( ie, source made available ) but what if you distrubite them sepeartly?
What is considered distrubition in the terms of the GPL?
And the most important question is..does any part of BeOS rely on this library? If you can just put in a disclaimer saying "this package require this GPLed package" can you not get away with a propritary license? Or is the disclaimer then being interpreted has making that GPLed package part of your program?
=-=- Keep in mind, I have NO idea what i'm talking about -=-= SgtPepper
AAaah, see...that makes alot more sense. So if they put...oh i don't know....a readme in the FTP directory that sayed "The following software, blah blah and blah are GPLed, email gpl@beos.com for the source" they would be in the clear?
Also...and I'm being totally serious here, what part of the GPL says it can't be linked with proprietary componets? I can't seem to find that in the Terms of Use....
Be is distributing it in object-code form, without source, as if it were one of their proprietary components.
Correct me if i'm wrong ( and I'm sure someone will:) ), isn't this allowed under the GPL as long as you make the source AVAILABLE? Now of course if they don't mention that it contains GPLed software and the GPLed parts are, by rights, available in the original source form, then they might be violating the GPL. And yes, it might be breaking the spirit of the GPL, but is it breaking the letter?
Just a thought. Other then that, i do hope BeOS rectifies what you view as a mistake, since has the authour of said software it should be your choice on how it's used. ( then again some will argue that the GPL takes that away, *sigh* let the holy wars commence )
Technopop appears to be a Gaming Company, don't be suprised if this is going to try and be something similar in the vien of the Tiger Electronics handheld "computer" which was suppose to be a gaming machine with some limited web surfing/email slapped on to make it "connected" ( it did look like a cool idea though ). Judging by the company's web site though...it looks rather...unprofessional, and a search though some of the major engines didn't really bring up much. I'd say this is a classic example of vapor ware..yet, like most vapor ware, some intresting things exist. If you notice they claim to have long relations with Sega...could this somehow be related to the Dreamcast? Hmm...a supersized VMU?
Keep in mind though, this is the only place i have seen/or can find this news...including the PDA only news places ( and they would have SNAPPED this up in a heartbeat ), anyone got any firmer links?
another rambling post brought to you by: SgtPepper
check out the page...like it says, some of the film houses aren't part of the MPAA but their distributors are..therefore it's a judgement call. Personally I like the one person's idea about buying used DVDs...
The Boycot MPAA page specifically lists LucasFilm Ltd as being a "freezone" film house. Because SUPRISE if you do some research you'd know that LucasFilms Ltd is NOT, yes NOT, a member of the MPAA. So why boycott them?
One thing I've never been able to find in your writing...or perhaps I'm missing it, and if so could anyone here enlighten me, is what you believe the fundamental reasonings are behind those choosing to do Open Source Software and those doing Closed Source Software? Is it simply a matter of the all mighty buck vs. the common good? Or is it more complicated and/or deeper then that? I guess what I'm asking is what do you belive the fundamental chism is between the two camps and is there a realistic way to bridge that gap? Or will the two always be fundamentally exclusive to each other?
but MPEG, while being "open" isn't really free...check this out they won't even tell you what the licensing terms are...Though I suggest reading the Office Faq, There/is/ a need for a FREE standard..as opposed to a "OPEN" one...
let's see 400/8 = 50 gigabytes per square inch...given that platters for a 3.5 inch drive are...~4 inches....pir^2 = 50 square inches in area....50 * 50 = 2500 gigabytes...times 2 sides... 5000 gigabytes per platter...times 2 platters a hard drive....10000 gigabytes on your standard harddrive....no?
Yes, but those are high end geek devices...I'm talking about a DISCMAN that plays MP3s, something everyone can afford....you won't see it happen...at least not for a while...
Ever since I got my CD Burner, i wondered why no one has a CD/MP3 CD Player....once I hard Sony was considering it ( anyone got a link ), and after the Apex DVD player came out I/really/ started to wonder. Why hasn't this been done yet? Legal issues? Probably. Lack of sellablity? Hell no... here's a scary thought...Sony makes CD player...Sony Entertainment is a member of the MPAA....Sony does NOT make MP3 CD Players...coincedence? I think not...
PS: I want a portable MP3 ZipDisk player...sure it's only 100 megs...but still...portable has hell...no?
Hey Sgt! I can easily see some of those huge companies making some troublemakers "disappear".
*L* Do you even remember me? Back in the good ol days of TPD and my very own SPLHC BBS? *LOL*
As far as porting wakeup to win32.. why? Win95/98 have Task Scheduler, just make sure that mp3's are associated to a player, set task scheduler to run an mp3 file in the morning, and it should all go. That's what i did in windows, works fine.
A couple of very simple reasons actually:
1) I can;) 2) I too am learning perl, as the only thing i have available to me at work is Win32 I'm learning perl there ( no, telneting into my home PC is not an option until i get my DSL line;) )
The only problems are...while wakeup HIDES at/cron it still uses them....I suppose I could have wake up call the task scheduler, but that would defeat the purpose *L* I have some ideas but *shrugs*
Back to the subject... in the wake of civil disobedience, many power mongers cannot control themselves and resort to irrational measures. It happened after the Boston Tea Party. It can happen anywhere. Irrationality is everywhere.
This is true, but I hope we would be able to stop it before it got THAT far...
Shit..there goes our Karma...off topic posts and all....
*LMFAO* Roberto, my friend, don't you think that's just a little tad bit overractionary? No one is talking violence here. Now, when they start implementing the death penelty for Reverse Engineering then we can talk about Revolution in the old school sense of the word. The good consuel was simply pointing out the SYMBOLIC similarities between the too. Now there might be some SYMBOLIC deaths....the death of Free Software or the death of the "profittering gluttons" we have yet to see. Make no mistake though, it is a fight.:)
PS: I'm working on porting Wakeup to Win32, if I actually get it done want me to send ya the code? (hey it gives me something to do at work! *L*)
I personally believe people are inherently good, and if you make it easy enough for them to do the right thing (pay rather than steal), they will do it.
Oh how we wish that was so. But the sad, sad fact is that stealing is almost always easier, and certianly cheaper, then buying. Therefore there will always be people trying to get something for nothing. I see a shift in the business world though, a shift from product based selling to service based. See, how much easier would it be ( and profitiable? ) for Time Warner, et al., to set up..oh..i don't know...a $15 a month service in which you get to download unlimted ( or a set amount of Megs/bytes/minutes ) music/movies/etc.? This, I believe is the wave of the future. Some places might even do it for free, supported by advertising ( kinda like commercial radio stations ). Is this a bad thing? I'm not sure yet, we'll have to see how it plays out, but I/do/ think it's intresting and deserves disscusion and thought.
What an egocentric viewpoint. Yeah, sure maybe your life is great and full of all these wonderful advances, but try living in say, the Taliban-controlled parts of Afganistan and see how "wonderful" this period of time is. The 20th century has been the home of some of the worst violence and atrocities in history, and it is only people like you who are secure in your luxury that have the gall to say that.
Eh, I wish my life was great and wonderful, and to many people I'm sure it is, but I have my own problems, as I'm sure everyone does. And yes, as i stated, the world will always have suffering, but I wonder what the population/suffering ratio is nowadays, I'm willing to bet it's lower now then it ever has been. And do not forget the atrocities of the past...what about the crusades? Or the Spanish Inquisition ( ob "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" )
You say you want individuality, and then go and say this rubbish. A manifesto is a tool for pushing conformity, even if, as it is in this case, an illusionary tolerance of "individuality". True individuality doesn't come from being brainwashed into false beliefs, it comes from within a person. But then again, I wouldn't expect the average/.er to be capable of that level of introspection.
A manifesto is NO such thing, the dictionary defination is: manifesto (mn-fst) n., pl. manifestoes or manifestos.
A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions, especially of a political nature.
Cleary states that it is simply stating what you believe, nobody says YOU have to believe it has well, it is simply what THEY think. And think about the word idealistic for that matter...in order to call it idealistic you must share their ideals, or else it ISN'T idealistic? *sigh* Not that I would expect you to understand the concept.
I'd just like to comment on some of the comments:)
I'm sick and tired of the constant pressure for people who use the internet to "conform" to some kind of behavioural pattern
I'm pretty sure that by now the number of people using the internet has increased so much that to even try to "conform" or suggest that any kind of "conforming" is possible is laughable, by now the internet is a good cross-section of the world population in general. Now maybe suggesting that most of the Slashdot readership is very similiar in thoughts and ideals is a lot closer. After all it bills itself has "News for Nerds" and is a well known Linux site, therefore you would expect "nerds" and Linux users to frequent it.
All of this is just a dressing up of the naive political ideals of the majority of/. readers - that things are changing for the better, that world peace is possible and even round the corner and that technology will make the world a fundamentally better place to live. These ideals, while all very noble, don't seem to correspond to any kind of reality experianced by people living on the Earth today.
Well, I must say that I at once agree and disagree. Yes, sometimes some ideals expressed here are a little...unrealistic, but for the MOST part things really ARE better. Look back a couple of hundred years....hell look back fifty...and tell me what time period YOU rather live in. I feel extremely lucky to be growing up and experiencing the time we're living in NOW, we have had great medical, scientific, and technological advances, the likes of which could not have even been DREAMT of 100 years ago. Yes suffering and proverty exist, and they probably always WILL, but we can minimize it. And that is the best we can do.
And yeah, I'm sure I'm going to be told I "don't get it" or some other platitude, but what people seem to forget here is that we all have our own views of life, and that these views are all valid in their own ways. But holding idealistic, head in the cloud views is just foolish - the only way you'll change the world is by looking at it and not some "manifesto" claiming to contain all the answers to the world's problems.
Believe it or not, I actually agree with you somewhat. However, try and build a house without blueprints. A "manifesto" has it's place, and I for one say if you can make your manifesto a reality, then go for it! The "Cluetrain Manifesto" may be idealistic, but that doesn't mean we don't WANT it ( hell, if we didn't want it then it would be idealistic would it?:) )
When people stop trying to control the thoughts of net users then things might change, but until then communist ideals of everyone being alike (or "getting it") will hold these changes back.
Eh, I agree with that, somewhat hypocritically too I'm afraid. As much as we geeks like diversity, we also crave sameness. For as much as we preach choice, we want everyone to use the same thing. It's naturally human I suppose, but still, wouldn't it be nice if everyone ( including ME ), live up to our ideals?
BRE/SRE Were some of the most addicting games..oh my I miss them...anyone know of an online version? I use to run them on my own Iniquity BBS....now/there/ was some BBS software;)
The DevFS FAQ is here, and if you read it you'll see that the changes are ALOT deeper then just the names. It goes as far as, IIRC, actually ELIMENATING the age old idea of major and minor numbers. Regardless, read the FAQ it's intresting:)
Slashdot Mirror
I've been on slashdot since late '97/98 ( I was in college at the time so I know those dates are right ) I proudly wear a ( realitvly ) low user number ( 5548 ). And yes, while slashdot doesn't SUCK, it has changed. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, but it is something alot of people have trouble dealing with. And sometimes I too get annoyed by the lack of technical discussion, back in the day there was ( or seemed to be ) alot more computing talk. Ah well, the only constant thing in life is change...
Well 3M discribes it as: " Gel composite with oil barrier film"
;) Then using the nifty ol ChemFinder We find it is known as C3H8N2O with a chemical mass of 88.109 and CAS RN of 9009-54-5.
;)
Whatever that means, a little more digging you can find out that 3M uses the same gel in their Health care products a little more digging and you find that it's a plain old "Polyurethane Gel" and yes it is used in breast implants as one person noted before
So there ya go that's what's in those things
No light sabers? No Laser Guns?
Come on, this is another showing of the us government having it's heads up it's collective ass. Don't call it JEDI until it's Jedi damnit. When will they learn?
Boycotting the US Government until they learn
SgtPepper
The preceeding was an attempt at humour, feel free to ignore it
Even Better:
;)
An INTERNAL _ISA_ Modem, with jumpers and everything:
USR 56k
I need both external com ports for my Palm and my Digital Camera
but isn't that the distributation, not the actual linking? Distrubition can be GPLed ( ie, source made available ) but what if you distrubite them sepeartly?
What is considered distrubition in the terms of the GPL?
And the most important question is..does any part of BeOS rely on this library? If you can just put in a disclaimer saying "this package require this GPLed package" can you not get away with a propritary license? Or is the disclaimer then being interpreted has making that GPLed package part of your program?
=-=- Keep in mind, I have NO idea what i'm talking about -=-=
SgtPepper
AAaah, see...that makes alot more sense. So if they put...oh i don't know....a readme in the FTP directory that sayed "The following software, blah blah and blah are GPLed, email gpl@beos.com for the source" they would be in the clear?
Also...and I'm being totally serious here, what part of the GPL says it can't be linked with proprietary componets? I can't seem to find that in the Terms of Use....
Be is distributing it in object-code form, without source, as if it were one of their proprietary components.
:) ), isn't this allowed under the GPL as long as you make the source AVAILABLE? Now of course if they don't mention that it contains GPLed software and the GPLed parts are, by rights, available in the original source form, then they might be violating the GPL. And yes, it might be breaking the spirit of the GPL, but is it breaking the letter?
Correct me if i'm wrong ( and I'm sure someone will
Just a thought. Other then that, i do hope BeOS rectifies what you view as a mistake, since has the authour of said software it should be your choice on how it's used. ( then again some will argue that the GPL takes that away, *sigh* let the holy wars commence )
SgtPepper
Technopop appears to be a Gaming Company, don't be suprised if this is going to try and be something similar in the vien of the Tiger Electronics handheld "computer" which was suppose to be a gaming machine with some limited web surfing/email slapped on to make it "connected" ( it did look like a cool idea though ). Judging by the company's web site though...it looks rather...unprofessional, and a search though some of the major engines didn't really bring up much. I'd say this is a classic example of vapor ware..yet, like most vapor ware, some intresting things exist. If you notice they claim to have long relations with Sega...could this somehow be related to the Dreamcast? Hmm...a supersized VMU?
Keep in mind though, this is the only place i have seen/or can find this news...including the PDA only news places ( and they would have SNAPPED this up in a heartbeat ), anyone got any firmer links?
another rambling post brought to you by:
SgtPepper
check out the page...like it says, some of the film houses aren't part of the MPAA but their distributors are..therefore it's a judgement call. Personally I like the one person's idea about buying used DVDs...
The Boycot MPAA page specifically lists LucasFilm Ltd as being a "freezone" film house. Because SUPRISE if you do some research you'd know that LucasFilms Ltd is NOT, yes NOT, a member of the MPAA. So why boycott them?
One thing I've never been able to find in your writing...or perhaps I'm missing it, and if so could anyone here enlighten me, is what you believe the fundamental reasonings are behind those choosing to do Open Source Software and those doing Closed Source Software? Is it simply a matter of the all mighty buck vs. the common good? Or is it more complicated and/or deeper then that? I guess what I'm asking is what do you belive the fundamental chism is between the two camps and is there a realistic way to bridge that gap? Or will the two always be fundamentally exclusive to each other?
Another rambling post brought to you by:
SgtPepper
but MPEG, while being "open" isn't really free...check this out they won't even tell you what the licensing terms are...Though I suggest reading the Office Faq, There /is/ a need for a FREE standard..as opposed to a "OPEN" one...
let's see 400/8 = 50 gigabytes per square inch...given that platters for a 3.5 inch drive are...~4 inches....pir^2 = 50 square inches in area....50 * 50 = 2500 gigabytes...times 2 sides... 5000 gigabytes per platter...times 2 platters a hard drive....10000 gigabytes on your standard harddrive....no?
:)
someone please double check that
Thank god for CygWin I have bash and everything *LOL* Hmmm...i'll see what i can do about the snooze....
Yes, but those are high end geek devices...I'm talking about a DISCMAN that plays MP3s, something everyone can afford....you won't see it happen...at least not for a while...
Oy..I knew that too....thanks....ETLA can be so hard to keep track of anymore *L*
Ever since I got my CD Burner, i wondered why no one has a CD/MP3 CD Player....once I hard Sony was considering it ( anyone got a link ), and after the Apex DVD player came out I /really/ started to wonder. Why hasn't this been done yet? Legal issues? Probably. Lack of sellablity? Hell no... here's a scary thought...Sony makes CD player...Sony Entertainment is a member of the MPAA....Sony does NOT make MP3 CD Players...coincedence? I think not...
PS: I want a portable MP3 ZipDisk player...sure it's only 100 megs...but still...portable has hell...no?
Hey Sgt! I can easily see some of those huge companies making some troublemakers "disappear".
;) ;) )
*L* Do you even remember me? Back in the good ol days of TPD and my very own SPLHC BBS? *LOL*
As far as porting wakeup to win32.. why? Win95/98 have Task Scheduler, just make sure that mp3's are associated to a player, set task scheduler to run an mp3 file in the morning, and it should all go. That's what i did in windows, works fine.
A couple of very simple reasons actually:
1) I can
2) I too am learning perl, as the only thing i have available to me at work is Win32 I'm learning perl there ( no, telneting into my home PC is not an option until i get my DSL line
The only problems are...while wakeup HIDES at/cron it still uses them....I suppose I could have wake up call the task scheduler, but that would defeat the purpose *L* I have some ideas but *shrugs*
Back to the subject... in the wake of civil disobedience, many power mongers cannot control themselves and resort to irrational measures. It happened after the Boston Tea Party. It can happen anywhere. Irrationality is everywhere.
This is true, but I hope we would be able to stop it before it got THAT far...
Shit..there goes our Karma...off topic posts and all....
Sgt Pepper
*LMFAO* Roberto, my friend, don't you think that's just a little tad bit overractionary? No one is talking violence here. Now, when they start implementing the death penelty for Reverse Engineering then we can talk about Revolution in the old school sense of the word. The good consuel was simply pointing out the SYMBOLIC similarities between the too. Now there might be some SYMBOLIC deaths....the death of Free Software or the death of the "profittering gluttons" we have yet to see. Make no mistake though, it is a fight. :)
PS: I'm working on porting Wakeup to Win32, if I actually get it done want me to send ya the code?
(hey it gives me something to do at work! *L*)
Sgt Pepper
Another Cleveland Linux Geek
I personally believe people are inherently good, and if you make it easy enough for them to do the right thing (pay rather than steal), they will do it.
/do/ think it's intresting and deserves disscusion and thought.
Oh how we wish that was so. But the sad, sad fact is that stealing is almost always easier, and certianly cheaper, then buying. Therefore there will always be people trying to get something for nothing. I see a shift in the business world though, a shift from product based selling to service based. See, how much easier would it be ( and profitiable? ) for Time Warner, et al., to set up..oh..i don't know...a $15 a month service in which you get to download unlimted ( or a set amount of Megs/bytes/minutes ) music/movies/etc.? This, I believe is the wave of the future. Some places might even do it for free, supported by advertising ( kinda like commercial radio stations ). Is this a bad thing? I'm not sure yet, we'll have to see how it plays out, but I
I think it's clear to everyone that the woman in the red car is most likely Carmen Sandiego.
Where in the world is she?
Breaks out into acapella song
What an egocentric viewpoint. Yeah, sure maybe your life is great and full of all these wonderful advances, but try living in say, the Taliban-controlled parts of Afganistan and see how "wonderful" this period of time is. The 20th century has been the home of some of the worst violence and atrocities in history, and it is only people like you who are secure in your luxury that have the gall to say that.
/.er to be capable of that level of introspection.
Eh, I wish my life was great and wonderful, and to many people I'm sure it is, but I have my own problems, as I'm sure everyone does. And yes, as i stated, the world will always have suffering, but I wonder what the population/suffering ratio is nowadays, I'm willing to bet it's lower now then it ever has been. And do not forget the atrocities of the past...what about the crusades? Or the Spanish Inquisition ( ob "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" )
You say you want individuality, and then go and say this rubbish. A manifesto is a tool for pushing conformity, even if, as it is in this case, an illusionary tolerance of "individuality". True individuality doesn't come from being brainwashed into false beliefs, it comes from within a person. But then again, I wouldn't expect the average
A manifesto is NO such thing, the dictionary defination is: manifesto (mn-fst)
n., pl. manifestoes or manifestos.
A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions, especially of a political nature.
Cleary states that it is simply stating what you believe, nobody says YOU have to believe it has well, it is simply what THEY think. And think about the word idealistic for that matter...in order to call it idealistic you must share their ideals, or else it ISN'T idealistic? *sigh* Not that I would expect you to understand the concept.
I'd just like to comment on some of the comments :)
/. readers - that things are changing for the better, that world peace is possible and even round the corner and that technology will make the world a fundamentally better place to live. These ideals, while all very noble, don't seem to correspond to any kind of reality experianced by people living on the Earth today.
:) )
I'm sick and tired of the constant pressure for people who use the internet to "conform" to some kind of behavioural pattern
I'm pretty sure that by now the number of people using the internet has increased so much that to even try to "conform" or suggest that any kind of "conforming" is possible is laughable, by now the internet is a good cross-section of the world population in general. Now maybe suggesting that most of the Slashdot readership is very similiar in thoughts and ideals is a lot closer. After all it bills itself has "News for Nerds" and is a well known Linux site, therefore you would expect "nerds" and Linux users to frequent it.
All of this is just a dressing up of the naive political ideals of the majority of
Well, I must say that I at once agree and disagree. Yes, sometimes some ideals expressed here are a little...unrealistic, but for the MOST part things really ARE better. Look back a couple of hundred years....hell look back fifty...and tell me what time period YOU rather live in. I feel extremely lucky to be growing up and experiencing the time we're living in NOW, we have had great medical, scientific, and technological advances, the likes of which could not have even been DREAMT of 100 years ago. Yes suffering and proverty exist, and they probably always WILL, but we can minimize it. And that is the best we can do.
And yeah, I'm sure I'm going to be told I "don't get it" or some other platitude, but what people seem to forget here is that we all have our own views of life, and that these views are all valid in their own ways. But holding idealistic, head in the cloud views is just foolish - the only way you'll change the world is by looking at it and not some "manifesto" claiming to contain all the answers to the world's problems.
Believe it or not, I actually agree with you somewhat. However, try and build a house without blueprints. A "manifesto" has it's place, and I for one say if you can make your manifesto a reality, then go for it! The "Cluetrain Manifesto" may be idealistic, but that doesn't mean we don't WANT it ( hell, if we didn't want it then it would be idealistic would it?
When people stop trying to control the thoughts of net users then things might change, but until then communist ideals of everyone being alike (or "getting it") will hold these changes back.
Eh, I agree with that, somewhat hypocritically too I'm afraid. As much as we geeks like diversity, we also crave sameness. For as much as we preach choice, we want everyone to use the same thing. It's naturally human I suppose, but still, wouldn't it be nice if everyone ( including ME ), live up to our ideals?
Ah well...
BRE/SRE Were some of the most addicting games..oh my I miss them...anyone know of an online version? I use to run them on my own Iniquity BBS....now /there/ was some BBS software ;)
The DevFS FAQ is here, and if you read it you'll see that the changes are ALOT deeper then just the names. It goes as far as, IIRC, actually ELIMENATING the age old idea of major and minor numbers. Regardless, read the FAQ it's intresting :)