And that has to do with the original post, which was specifically about assigning blame, how? Claiming someone is not a victim if they do x is just shifting the blame from the perpetrator of the attack to the victim.
Or was the first one just some sort of troll attempt so you could come back and sound smart, by moving the goal post?
I never stated that what the people are doing was ok, in fact I called it silly, but the thing to remember is that EVERYONE does "stupid shit like this" on their machines, even you. It may not be as bad, but we all do stupid shit.
Poor analogy, a better one would be if you saw someone jump into the ocean, near where sharks have been seen, should be blame you for then deliberately pouring blood near the swimmer in an effort to get him attacked, and yes I would blame you.
Or if someone was speeding, but a drunk ran a stop sign and hit the speeder, do you blame the drunk? Yes.
Or if you leave your front door unlocked and someone walks in and steals all your stuff do we blame the robber? Yes.
Just because someone does something silly does not mean they are not a victim when someone breaks the law targeting them.
Age bias in IT is a real thing, it does not matter how much you keep up, you can be replaced by a younger, and less knowledgeable person, just because of your age.
Who said anything about not being able to get a job. You stated it only happens if
Downward pressure on wages does not happen unless the market is flooded, or your skills are not in demand elsewhere.
But we know that the skill set is in high demand in other places, there are cities begging for developers, so therefore the only option is that the market is flooded....
So you risk being laid off because you are older then the new commer fresh out of college even though you know more and have better skills then he does...
Yes, but why is the market flooded for a market that is stated by the companies to be short on people? If the market is flooded why do we need more H1-Bs?
Social security is 6.2%, and 1.45% for medicare, making it combined 7.65%, and that is for the middle class, it is lower for the rich due to caps, however since I was speaking off effective rates that is already included..... The average property tax in the US is around 1% (AVERAGE) of home cost, which means unless you have an expensive home and a low income the actual % of your income used will be low. Gas tax is in the state taxes bracket, it is variable, and relatively small part of your taxes. All in all I dont see anything that you stated that counters, it is like you are breaking down specific taxes and trying to add them on top of tax rates that already include them to make it look like more.
Well gates was already from a well off family, so he would have been rich anyways, and even then pointing out the exceptions does not dismiss the general claim, which is you will not become rich.
60-80, stopped right there...Most people, excluding the rich and the poor, are not paying 60-80%, in fact I would be willing to bet no one is paying anywhere near that much, unless you are fairly well off. The max is 43% for federal those making over 200k a year, which I would argue puts you in the rich catagory. Add in about 8% for state taxes and you get up to 51% as about the highest tax rate.
I dont know maybe google "unc finacial records"
Oh wait, here we go, http://www.unc.edu/finance/fd/... 2012 Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, lets see, change the 2 to a 3 and now we have the 2013 one...
That is just one school... but...Yep can do it for all of them...http://www.fis.ncsu.edu/controller/financial_reports/
Gotta hate lazy people...
The state does not spend your resources on the out of staters, that is why they pay pull tuition, not in state tuition, so that they are not a burden on the state.... The cheaper cost of in state represents the subsidy the state pays.
You are confusing the words foreigners and out of staters. The OP said foreigners, that is below 10%, out of staters is another issue, but is still small, less than 7%, which I clearly delimited in my original post.
The tuition rate does not matter, the costs are not the same. Online for profit schools that have no campus dont spend as much money and that is where they pocket the profit. Remember that at UC they have to pay for all those buildings and teachers to teach the students.
The rules are the same, 3 years IF you are having a provable financial crisis. The problem is that not everyone is graduating with a valued degree, or even knowledge.
you dont have any anecdotal evidence, you have hearsay..
I gave you anecdotal evidence. Or do you think I don't see these things for myself?
Unless you were in their classes you did not give me anecdotal evidence, as it would require it to be a personal experience.. You gave hearsay....
Speaking of anecdotal.....
Yes, that's essentially what we've both been doing. Not quick on the uptake, are you?
Oh great a personal attack
You do realize there are few if any jobs that actually require a degree to get interviewed right?
But many people who do not have degrees or previous job experience will not get hired, whether or not they know what they're doing. That is the point.
and that is relavant how? the jobs tht require a degree is not typically an entry level job. If you are seld educated you typically need to prove it in an entry level job
This fact pretty much destroys your entire argument..
That doesn't even make sense.
What were you unable to understand? There are avenues for anyone without a degree to prove their knowledge, you just want to be given an advanced job it seems.
You do understand that a fallacy is an error in reasoning? It does not matter if it was your opinion, you still committed the fallacy in your thought and presentation of said thought.
I can count on 1 hand the number of classes I could just memorize the material in my classes, and even then I would have a remainder...
And I've seen other people who have the exact opposite experiences, even from some big name colleges. Your anecdotal evidence against mine.
you dont have any anecdotal evidence, you have hearsay..
The number of people who can do what you are talking about is relativly few.
Yes, you're right, but it seems to be working out damn good in my workplace, which has about 300 employees. We have many people with degrees (who *did* know what they were doing, and seem ashamed at this sad state of affairs) and many without.
Many people can't self-educate, but that is not the issue. My employer just cares about finding intelligent and educated people who are capable of doing the job, not whether they have degrees.
Speaking of anecdotal.....
There is a good reason for using degrees to weed students out.
I think it's because it's easy, and that's what many shortsighted employers and HR drones like. Funnily enough, though, this sort of mindset actually works to *devalue* the education that colleges and universities have to offer, as people will start looking at them as ways to find jobs, and that's not what they're really about.
You do realize there are few if any jobs that actually require a degree to get interviewed right? The majority of jobs will list a degree OR x amount of experience, and if you have that experience then you will typically make it through HR as long as your resume is well formed..... This fact pretty much destroys your entire argument..
I know how to read, and comprehend. Using the if in a rhetorical device does not make it a conditional statement, and it was rhetorical based on the other parts of the paragraph, I just quoted the relevant parts.
Just stop it already. You don't need to take a philosophy course to know that you're just spewing forth terms without understanding them or understanding how they apply to the situation at hand. Hint: It's a subjective matter.
It's no use playing with one such as yourself any longer.
You stated:
And if you need to be taught how to learn, you were never intelligent to begin with.
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And that has to do with the original post, which was specifically about assigning blame, how? Claiming someone is not a victim if they do x is just shifting the blame from the perpetrator of the attack to the victim.
Or was the first one just some sort of troll attempt so you could come back and sound smart, by moving the goal post?
I never stated that what the people are doing was ok, in fact I called it silly, but the thing to remember is that EVERYONE does "stupid shit like this" on their machines, even you. It may not be as bad, but we all do stupid shit.
Poor analogy, a better one would be if you saw someone jump into the ocean, near where sharks have been seen, should be blame you for then deliberately pouring blood near the swimmer in an effort to get him attacked, and yes I would blame you.
Or if someone was speeding, but a drunk ran a stop sign and hit the speeder, do you blame the drunk? Yes.
Or if you leave your front door unlocked and someone walks in and steals all your stuff do we blame the robber? Yes.
Just because someone does something silly does not mean they are not a victim when someone breaks the law targeting them.
And what does that have to do with the statement in any way....
Age bias in IT is a real thing, it does not matter how much you keep up, you can be replaced by a younger, and less knowledgeable person, just because of your age.
Who said anything about not being able to get a job. You stated it only happens if
Downward pressure on wages does not happen unless the market is flooded, or your skills are not in demand elsewhere.
But we know that the skill set is in high demand in other places, there are cities begging for developers, so therefore the only option is that the market is flooded....
So you risk being laid off because you are older then the new commer fresh out of college even though you know more and have better skills then he does...
Yes, but why is the market flooded for a market that is stated by the companies to be short on people? If the market is flooded why do we need more H1-Bs?
umm no I am not.. We re specifically talking about the US, and the US does not have VAT.
Except the individual is not paying it as you said, which does not necessarily mean that it would go to them if they did not need to pay it.
Pot meet kettle, do you not think that calling people socialists is not name calling and unfounded assumptions?
Social security is 6.2%, and 1.45% for medicare, making it combined 7.65%, and that is for the middle class, it is lower for the rich due to caps, however since I was speaking off effective rates that is already included..... The average property tax in the US is around 1% (AVERAGE) of home cost, which means unless you have an expensive home and a low income the actual % of your income used will be low. Gas tax is in the state taxes bracket, it is variable, and relatively small part of your taxes. All in all I dont see anything that you stated that counters, it is like you are breaking down specific taxes and trying to add them on top of tax rates that already include them to make it look like more.
Well gates was already from a well off family, so he would have been rich anyways, and even then pointing out the exceptions does not dismiss the general claim, which is you will not become rich.
60-80, stopped right there...Most people, excluding the rich and the poor, are not paying 60-80%, in fact I would be willing to bet no one is paying anywhere near that much, unless you are fairly well off. The max is 43% for federal those making over 200k a year, which I would argue puts you in the rich catagory. Add in about 8% for state taxes and you get up to 51% as about the highest tax rate.
Of course you did not read and see that this was not a virus did you?
I dont know maybe google "unc finacial records" Oh wait, here we go, http://www.unc.edu/finance/fd/... 2012 Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, lets see, change the 2 to a 3 and now we have the 2013 one... That is just one school... but...Yep can do it for all of them...http://www.fis.ncsu.edu/controller/financial_reports/ Gotta hate lazy people...
The state does not spend your resources on the out of staters, that is why they pay pull tuition, not in state tuition, so that they are not a burden on the state.... The cheaper cost of in state represents the subsidy the state pays.
You are confusing the words foreigners and out of staters. The OP said foreigners, that is below 10%, out of staters is another issue, but is still small, less than 7%, which I clearly delimited in my original post.
The tuition rate does not matter, the costs are not the same. Online for profit schools that have no campus dont spend as much money and that is where they pocket the profit. Remember that at UC they have to pay for all those buildings and teachers to teach the students.
Why does this seem to come off as an attack on Obama when it is Republicans doing most if not all of this?
The rules are the same, 3 years IF you are having a provable financial crisis. The problem is that not everyone is graduating with a valued degree, or even knowledge.
you dont have any anecdotal evidence, you have hearsay..
I gave you anecdotal evidence. Or do you think I don't see these things for myself?
Unless you were in their classes you did not give me anecdotal evidence, as it would require it to be a personal experience.. You gave hearsay....
Speaking of anecdotal.....
Yes, that's essentially what we've both been doing. Not quick on the uptake, are you?
Oh great a personal attack
You do realize there are few if any jobs that actually require a degree to get interviewed right?
But many people who do not have degrees or previous job experience will not get hired, whether or not they know what they're doing. That is the point.
and that is relavant how? the jobs tht require a degree is not typically an entry level job. If you are seld educated you typically need to prove it in an entry level job
This fact pretty much destroys your entire argument..
That doesn't even make sense.
What were you unable to understand? There are avenues for anyone without a degree to prove their knowledge, you just want to be given an advanced job it seems.
You do understand that a fallacy is an error in reasoning? It does not matter if it was your opinion, you still committed the fallacy in your thought and presentation of said thought.
I can count on 1 hand the number of classes I could just memorize the material in my classes, and even then I would have a remainder...
And I've seen other people who have the exact opposite experiences, even from some big name colleges. Your anecdotal evidence against mine.
you dont have any anecdotal evidence, you have hearsay..
The number of people who can do what you are talking about is relativly few.
Yes, you're right, but it seems to be working out damn good in my workplace, which has about 300 employees. We have many people with degrees (who *did* know what they were doing, and seem ashamed at this sad state of affairs) and many without.
Many people can't self-educate, but that is not the issue. My employer just cares about finding intelligent and educated people who are capable of doing the job, not whether they have degrees.
Speaking of anecdotal.....
There is a good reason for using degrees to weed students out.
I think it's because it's easy, and that's what many shortsighted employers and HR drones like. Funnily enough, though, this sort of mindset actually works to *devalue* the education that colleges and universities have to offer, as people will start looking at them as ways to find jobs, and that's not what they're really about.
You do realize there are few if any jobs that actually require a degree to get interviewed right? The majority of jobs will list a degree OR x amount of experience, and if you have that experience then you will typically make it through HR as long as your resume is well formed..... This fact pretty much destroys your entire argument..
I know how to read, and comprehend. Using the if in a rhetorical device does not make it a conditional statement, and it was rhetorical based on the other parts of the paragraph, I just quoted the relevant parts.
Another fallacy from you, this time false dilemma
Just stop it already. You don't need to take a philosophy course to know that you're just spewing forth terms without understanding them or understanding how they apply to the situation at hand. Hint: It's a subjective matter.
It's no use playing with one such as yourself any longer.
You stated:
And if you need to be taught how to learn, you were never intelligent to begin with.
That is clearly a false dilemma...