::I've found that most people are so conditioned to Outlook/Exchange that a pure web-based solution for it simply not going to happen.
Conditioned?
How exactly does outlook's local storage with syncrhonization (and thus the ability to work like from a non-connected laptop) have anything to do with conditioning.
A web based solution will NEVER work. Groupware needs to handle distributed teams, and even in toda's time you can not rely on the sales person walking around having contact to the internet all the time.
Plus a browser can not push emails. Get a smaartphone running against an exchange server. "It just works".
Sexual harrasment is non-consensual. Naturally if you WORK as a protitute and enter into the agreement to have sex for a certain amounf ot money, then this IS consensual.
I actually turn around and say that is a neasy sexual harrasmanet case - as there is full proper paper documentation about what was consensual and expected. In most cases you ahve to rely on what both parties remember/say and that is a lot harder to proove.
::Theres no simple test for innovation because there is no simple metric for obviousness.
I just say walkman.
This is SO obvious - still for a long time noone thought of it.
You are totally right.
Vista runs fine here in computers with an NVidia MX 200, 64 Mbyte graphics card. Age around 4 years. No Aero, but aero is not crucial. 1Gb to 2 gb ram, but then the people DO development.
And we plan to replace the systems now - but because they are starting to fall apart. The oldest system I have running here is a DUAL PIII. Runs Vista pretty fine.
BUt is this relevant?
I see something similar, but I have two counter-arguments:
One: databases get smaller compared to hardware. Like 15 years ago a very large database was 10gb+ and a large server under x86 was 512mb - that is a factor of 20. Today, a very large database is 100+gb, and a normal server can have 128gb. So, the database fits into ram.
Second: sure some databases get a LOT larger, but is this as hugh a market? I mean, my normal environment are online shops, ERP systems etc. Where in the past I often had to buy a SERVER to handle the load, today I can safely put that into a stock desktop machine. The database got bigger - but the hardware a LOT faster.
The market is there,but I think it is loosing size compared to the rest of the stuff around.
::The defensible hill for Unix is the big, vertically scaling,::mission-critical application, which is usually some type of::database serving,
No, it is not. It is a way to temporarily survive. When I looked at my first Vvery large database it has like 12gb of data. It was very large by then's standard, and you had problems finding a vendor for multiple pentium processor servers. Intel had one that could handle up to 6 pentiums, and I think 512mb ram or so. That was considered hugh.
Today I can get eight opteron processors with 128gb ram from stock hardwre. Dual opteron (4 cores, soon 8) with 32gb ram is something that I get from a distributor. Database sizes have not necessarily increased like that.
I am not saying I need big iron hardware - but the island defended is getting smaller. In my experience databases are not growing in a similar speed like hardware is anymore, and standard x64 (forget x86) hardware is vextremely scalable today for the vast majority of cases.
I remember when SUN told me years ago that I needed a SUN Server to boot javastations I wanted to buy. We had like 30 customers. Their argument why I should use a SUN was: Windows / Intel does not scale (ignore the fact that no, I acutally do not need a scalable server to BOOT 30 thin clients, damnit). Today that WIndows / INTEL/AMD combo has eateen the majority of the market share - they STARTED to scale, AND theiy offer a better deal (thanks to the number of processors pushed).
Assuming you can defend on "we scale more" does not work - they better start finding a way to match the price, too - like SUN Did, offering opeteron based servers. Otherwise you hope that data processing needs rise at least as much as hardware speed, and for the majority of uses that simply is not the case. The market IS there, but it is getting smaller.
Older. I get a 4.8 rating on my GForce 7600 GS graphics card, and this IS older. THe only computers I have here so far that are not running aero are OLD - old like "Oh, you can still load vista on them". Like PIII with 1tgb ram and a Nvidia MX 400 graphics card with 64 Mb RAM - that thing should be like DIrectX 7 or so. No shaders to my knowledge.
::I didn't realize that UAC dialog boxes were modal and prevented you from using the system.
It is "worse". They are not "modal". They open a compelte separate user interface session.
Is this annoying? yes.
Is this necessary? YES.
Why? OTherwise the stupid spyware could just simulate a mouce click on the modal dialog. MS had to totally isolate it. So they make basically a screenshot, open a new ui session, show the dialog there and the screenshot in the background - but no interaction is possible.
::For example, do something very I/O intensive (unzipping a 6G file), and then watch how CPU utilization goes through the roof
Yeah, that could not be related to the funny fact that you are just using the damn CPU to DECOMPRESS a file. This is seriously funny. Really.::Again, when I added 3G to my system, there no reason for the system to swap. But if you watch what happens with a couple of tools that watch I/O it's::swapping. If you look in MS's documentation, they deny that it swaps in this circumstance, but in fact it does. Hopefully they fixed this annoyance.
No, and this has always been documented, in fact. Preempitive swapping of dormant address space (i.e. unused sections) in order to be able to clear out the area faster if needed. Solution? Get rid of the swap file if you do not need it.
::Plus those entry level Dells may load Vista but will they have the horsepower to drive Vista full throttle?
Seriously? WHO CARES.
I mean, I run a business. I care that Vista RUNS. I do not necesariyl are that Vista runs "full throttle". I have just laoded Vista Business Edition on PIII's 1GHz with a 64 Mbyte Nvidia MX 400 graphica card and halfa gig ram that we had lying around, for the nice people picking up the phone. RUns like it should. Sure the Vista performance index is 1.0, thanks to the crappy graphics card, and yes, you do not get the Aero interface - but it DOES RUN. And it runs good enough with Office 2007 that upgrading is not necessary. Heck, the lowest spek I am just putting on a web consultant on Vista is a Dual PIII with 2Ghz RAM and I was surprised how well it runs.
If I go out and buy a computer today from Dell, "lowest end", then - seriously: I get one that runs VIsta good enough for normal business use.
So?::As for $300 annually for system maintenance, well that's only 3.5 hrs of service calls at $80/hour.
This is about 3.5 hours more than necessary with proper planning. Put Vista on it, load Office, load your required softare and never come back. IF anything happens that is either a driver issue (unlikely), or some dude running some stupid crap software he should not run in the first place (in which case I gladly bill the employee who violated his computer usage agreement by installing software not permitted). I seriously think some dudes need to get professional with their computers. Normal workplaces do not et stuff installed all the time.
If the computer fails, it is pulled, replaced with one prepared and reimaged. Should that not result in a working system, then it is sent to warranty as OBVIOUSLY it has a hardware fault. None of that is something that a Mac would help in any way with.
::Garbage collection in a language with destructors leads to wierd semantics, which is why Microsoft's "Managed C++" is a nightmare.
Really? I had to use Managed C++ for a part of a.NET project some time ago. Basically we used ISDN low level programming, and without an interpreting SDK the bytestreams of the messages are a pain in the ass to work with, and all SDK's are for C++, so we created a nice object model in Managed C++ that the C# main application could then use.
I found the managed C++ syntax tio be pretty nice, given the constraints of C++ to start with. Damn nice, to be exact.::What seems to work in practice is reference counting
What does NOT work, is reference counting, except in the eyes of some programmer without a clue. Reference counting can not be used for any caching that should release items under memory pressure (which I happen to write a lot), and reference counting is deadls in case you have systems like a pointing to b pointing to c pointing to - a. Circular references get never collected.
Happens a lot to me. I often build trees of objects (A contains a list of childs, contains a list o childs) and any object has a pointer up to it's parent. Normal GC will release the whole tree the moment it is not reachable anymore, a "oh so working" reference counting GC will happily keep htat crap in memory, as there are always references.
SOmehow your programs seme to be simplistic - I run weak references and circular references basically in every project I do. But then, I work on database middleware, not exactly primitive web pages.
Though not usable for hte op (thanks to his OS decision), this is ehat I thought upoin reading the headline, too. Along the line of "ok, where the heck is that supposed t obe a problem"?
Outlook 2003+ in offline caching mode against an exchagne server - and voila, done. No problem, nothing to set up, nothing to configure. It just works. nd that does not only include email, it includes calendar, heck, even the processing rules or anti spam settings of the clients are copied.
In seriousness I agree with your assessment. We - i.e. humanity - are fuckugn up this planet to such a large egree, something like this HAS to happen. I am sure it happens a lot more, just people do not realize it.
OTOH on another funny level we may not find out how to breach the speed of light. According to canon (i.e. the travller rpg) the penguins were a contro lmechanism to keep us from realizing this, left by the ancients. Acutally their demise was supposed to come earlier. I just wish I would find a proper reference - this is an ancient (20+ years old) SF rpg, in which actually - well, I am sure al itnerested do know about Traveller:)
Gratulations. Your words give me hope that there are americans that are not idiots. Seriously - you spoke the truth, in exactly the way it needs to be spoken.
I am european, and I have always thought as the US as the country wher edemocracy was strong - today I am not traveling to the US because I refuse to deal with terrorist nations, and unless the us government gets some sort of clue what country they re supposed to govern, the US is just not a place I want to step on even for a day.
Let's all hope that things change once Mr. Bush is out of his office. The uss has dealt with horrendous aberrations in the past (just say McCarthy Era) and recovered.
Ever thought how they are made?:-) I bet one penguin dies for any of those.
I mean, you Linux guys already made sure there are no penguin sides on the nothern hemisphere for a long time. So, now you want to rid the world totally of penguins?
Compare that to Microsoft. Microsoft invented Windows! Instead of robbing the world, they ave us something. WIndows habe been tremendous scuccessfully. Every house has multiple of them:-)
(and andone taking this post serious has mental problems- that all was meant as a joke)
No. We are jsut a small software development shop (i.e. less than 20 people) and have to provide vista ready software very soon. So far only test environments were running vista, plus limited developer workstations (doubles).
We take down the whole system between christmas and new year and move out Vista, Office 2007 and Exchange 2007 to our people.::Hung over, and having to deal with a completely new platform.
Well, if any of our people have a problem with this they will get fired. I mean, it is not like Vista is new here. Our developers so far all use VIsta to one degree or the other - secondary workstations, test environments. We just delayed the mass-rollout until we have a more quiet day, mostly because the whole install takes so damn long and not all stuff was out yet. Exchange will take the better part of a day.
On top - what you mean with "Hung over"? It is a work day. ou appear here not in working conditions you get fired.
::Vista has NOT been made available to the public
Ah yes.
So - what are you getting when you buy vista now, there:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/11/13/HNmscomp usa_1.html
More info: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/item/?ci=21919
It is not in wide distribution, but it is out. You an walk intoa CompUsa NOW and get a copy.::It was made available on MSDN / Windows Connect for EARLY ADOPTERS
Bullshit. It was made available. That simple. SOME are early in adopting, but it is the real RTM version. Sure, driver support through third party is crap, but that is not going to change inthe next 30 days. It is the RTM version. The versionsin the shop will be identical to the released images- it just now takes time to get them manufactured and into the distribution.::If your company runs full fledged SQL Server on desktops, they're morons for multiple reasons.
So, I am a moron?
Let me get this straight - how else am I supposed to make SQL Server development woork wih reporting services and/or SSIS on my laptop without internet connection?
Not all uses of a server product are - for prouduction use.::And your response to my post showed your idiocy, not mine
Let me guess -yyou are american and thus do not value the reality.
See:::"SQL Server" (suggesting its full fledged version) was NEVER compatible with Vista,::or XP for that matter. It's meant for servers, not desktops.
Wrong, it was compatible. It is not meant to be used on that - on a poroduction environment, but it is compatible, and a good reason to install it on XP is development. Like having a SQL Server avaialble on your laptop.::Second, Vista is NOT RELEASED YET.
Bullshit. Serious. Vista was RTM what - three weeks ago? It is even avaialble in a boxed vervion in shops already in limited distribution (i.e. in SOME shops, wide availability is in january). Companies / developers have download access ot the gold/rtm master code for weeks - like my company is rolling out Vista business between christmas and new year on all desktops, and is inthe middle of testing that.
Check your facts. Idiotic statements like yours make open source look bad.
It is not only not pulled, but now even widely advertised. WinPE is THE isntall method for Vista - in fact, even if you isntall vista from DVD, it first starts a WinPE image to format the hard disc etc.
There is FULL documentation AND all the rights to use that:-)
Thomas
::The whole idea of basing China's output using a "per person" formula is just dumb. Its being done to mask the amount of pollution China is creating,::supposedly they will exceed the US within 2 years (finding that citation should not be too hard)
And brutually speaking, given that they are multiple times the amount of people in the US (what are we talking here? factor of 4? 5?) they have every damn right to produce pollution similar to the US.
Answer: none. The poster obviously is incompetent.
The MSDN subscription is dead cheap for a pro developer, EVEN IF you have to pay the full price.
And then, you can become MS partner and get things a LOT cheaper.
In fact, the whole MSDN subscription runs around 150 euro a month. Add another 150 euro a month for hardware, and you tak of a 300 euro a month budget. This is for a developer. Hm. Sounds like anyone not affording this is not serious.
Yes, there are 30% sold outside the US, but this in MANY countries. That means in many markets, which would have to get distinct marketing. in each country, sales are possbily to small individually to talk of a "market". Together, they are nice - but then, this is not ONE market.
::There are plenty of companies who need to virtualize this OS for testing purposes.
And only the most idiotic of those will use the Home EULA version. See, I use Home for testing downloaded from MSDN, and as such subject to the MSDN licensing agreement, NOT the EULA. I would have to check these conditions, but I would be surprised would that appear there, too.
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::I've found that most people are so conditioned to Outlook/Exchange that a pure web-based solution for it simply not going to happen.
Conditioned?
How exactly does outlook's local storage with syncrhonization (and thus the ability to work like from a non-connected laptop) have anything to do with conditioning.
A web based solution will NEVER work. Groupware needs to handle distributed teams, and even in toda's time you can not rely on the sales person walking around having contact to the internet all the time.
Plus a browser can not push emails. Get a smaartphone running against an exchange server. "It just works".
Not sure where the problem would be.
Sexual harrasment is non-consensual. Naturally if you WORK as a protitute and enter into the agreement to have sex for a certain amounf ot money, then this IS consensual.
I actually turn around and say that is a neasy sexual harrasmanet case - as there is full proper paper documentation about what was consensual and expected. In most cases you ahve to rely on what both parties remember/say and that is a lot harder to proove.
::Theres no simple test for innovation because there is no simple metric for obviousness. I just say walkman. This is SO obvious - still for a long time noone thought of it. You are totally right.
YOu get the facts wrong. Hypervisor will run UNDER the Windows OS. Which means really low bare minimum. I look forward to this.
Vista runs fine here in computers with an NVidia MX 200, 64 Mbyte graphics card. Age around 4 years. No Aero, but aero is not crucial. 1Gb to 2 gb ram, but then the people DO development.
And we plan to replace the systems now - but because they are starting to fall apart. The oldest system I have running here is a DUAL PIII. Runs Vista pretty fine.
BUt is this relevant? I see something similar, but I have two counter-arguments: One: databases get smaller compared to hardware. Like 15 years ago a very large database was 10gb+ and a large server under x86 was 512mb - that is a factor of 20. Today, a very large database is 100+gb, and a normal server can have 128gb. So, the database fits into ram. Second: sure some databases get a LOT larger, but is this as hugh a market? I mean, my normal environment are online shops, ERP systems etc. Where in the past I often had to buy a SERVER to handle the load, today I can safely put that into a stock desktop machine. The database got bigger - but the hardware a LOT faster. The market is there ,but I think it is loosing size compared to the rest of the stuff around.
::The defensible hill for Unix is the big, vertically scaling, ::mission-critical application, which is usually some type of ::database serving,
No, it is not. It is a way to temporarily survive. When I looked at my first Vvery large database it has like 12gb of data. It was very large by then's standard, and you had problems finding a vendor for multiple pentium processor servers. Intel had one that could handle up to 6 pentiums, and I think 512mb ram or so. That was considered hugh.
Today I can get eight opteron processors with 128gb ram from stock hardwre. Dual opteron (4 cores, soon 8) with 32gb ram is something that I get from a distributor. Database sizes have not necessarily increased like that.
I am not saying I need big iron hardware - but the island defended is getting smaller. In my experience databases are not growing in a similar speed like hardware is anymore, and standard x64 (forget x86) hardware is vextremely scalable today for the vast majority of cases.
I remember when SUN told me years ago that I needed a SUN Server to boot javastations I wanted to buy. We had like 30 customers. Their argument why I should use a SUN was: Windows / Intel does not scale (ignore the fact that no, I acutally do not need a scalable server to BOOT 30 thin clients, damnit). Today that WIndows / INTEL/AMD combo has eateen the majority of the market share - they STARTED to scale, AND theiy offer a better deal (thanks to the number of processors pushed).
Assuming you can defend on "we scale more" does not work - they better start finding a way to match the price, too - like SUN Did, offering opeteron based servers. Otherwise you hope that data processing needs rise at least as much as hardware speed, and for the majority of uses that simply is not the case. The market IS there, but it is getting smaller.
::Anyone who bought a PC or laptop since October.
Older.
I get a 4.8 rating on my GForce 7600 GS graphics card, and this IS older. THe only computers I have here so far that are not running aero are OLD - old like "Oh, you can still load vista on them". Like PIII with 1tgb ram and a Nvidia MX 400 graphics card with 64 Mb RAM - that thing should be like DIrectX 7 or so. No shaders to my knowledge.
::I didn't realize that UAC dialog boxes were modal and prevented you from using the system.
It is "worse". They are not "modal". They open a compelte separate user interface session.
Is this annoying? yes.
Is this necessary? YES.
Why? OTherwise the stupid spyware could just simulate a mouce click on the modal dialog. MS had to totally isolate it. So they make basically a screenshot, open a new ui session, show the dialog there and the screenshot in the background - but no interaction is possible.
::For example, do something very I/O intensive (unzipping a 6G file), and then watch how CPU utilization goes through the roof
::Again, when I added 3G to my system, there no reason for the system to swap. But if you watch what happens with a couple of tools that watch I/O it's ::swapping. If you look in MS's documentation, they deny that it swaps in this circumstance, but in fact it does. Hopefully they fixed this annoyance.
Yeah, that could not be related to the funny fact that you are just using the damn CPU to DECOMPRESS a file. This is seriously funny. Really.
No, and this has always been documented, in fact. Preempitive swapping of dormant address space (i.e. unused sections) in order to be able to clear out the area faster if needed. Solution? Get rid of the swap file if you do not need it.
::Plus those entry level Dells may load Vista but will they have the horsepower to drive Vista full throttle?
::As for $300 annually for system maintenance, well that's only 3.5 hrs of service calls at $80/hour.
Seriously? WHO CARES.
I mean, I run a business. I care that Vista RUNS. I do not necesariyl are that Vista runs "full throttle". I have just laoded Vista Business Edition on PIII's 1GHz with a 64 Mbyte Nvidia MX 400 graphica card and halfa gig ram that we had lying around, for the nice people picking up the phone. RUns like it should. Sure the Vista performance index is 1.0, thanks to the crappy graphics card, and yes, you do not get the Aero interface - but it DOES RUN. And it runs good enough with Office 2007 that upgrading is not necessary. Heck, the lowest spek I am just putting on a web consultant on Vista is a Dual PIII with 2Ghz RAM and I was surprised how well it runs.
If I go out and buy a computer today from Dell, "lowest end", then - seriously: I get one that runs VIsta good enough for normal business use.
So?
This is about 3.5 hours more than necessary with proper planning. Put Vista on it, load Office, load your required softare and never come back. IF anything happens that is either a driver issue (unlikely), or some dude running some stupid crap software he should not run in the first place (in which case I gladly bill the employee who violated his computer usage agreement by installing software not permitted). I seriously think some dudes need to get professional with their computers. Normal workplaces do not et stuff installed all the time.
If the computer fails, it is pulled, replaced with one prepared and reimaged. Should that not result in a working system, then it is sent to warranty as OBVIOUSLY it has a hardware fault. None of that is something that a Mac would help in any way with.
::Garbage collection in a language with destructors leads to wierd semantics, which is why Microsoft's "Managed C++" is a nightmare.
.NET project some time ago. Basically we used ISDN low level programming, and without an interpreting SDK the bytestreams of the messages are a pain in the ass to work with, and all SDK's are for C++, so we created a nice object model in Managed C++ that the C# main application could then use.
::What seems to work in practice is reference counting
Really? I had to use Managed C++ for a part of a
I found the managed C++ syntax tio be pretty nice, given the constraints of C++ to start with. Damn nice, to be exact.
What does NOT work, is reference counting, except in the eyes of some programmer without a clue. Reference counting can not be used for any caching that should release items under memory pressure (which I happen to write a lot), and reference counting is deadls in case you have systems like a pointing to b pointing to c pointing to - a. Circular references get never collected.
Happens a lot to me. I often build trees of objects (A contains a list of childs, contains a list o childs) and any object has a pointer up to it's parent. Normal GC will release the whole tree the moment it is not reachable anymore, a "oh so working" reference counting GC will happily keep htat crap in memory, as there are always references.
SOmehow your programs seme to be simplistic - I run weak references and circular references basically in every project I do. But then, I work on database middleware, not exactly primitive web pages.
Not, like someone with a mild form if dislexia who on top of that is not even a native english speaker.
Gratulations, you managed to insult someone for being a foreigner AND having a problem with written langague all in one sentence.
Though not usable for hte op (thanks to his OS decision), this is ehat I thought upoin reading the headline, too. Along the line of "ok, where the heck is that supposed t obe a problem"?
Outlook 2003+ in offline caching mode against an exchagne server - and voila, done. No problem, nothing to set up, nothing to configure. It just works. nd that does not only include email, it includes calendar, heck, even the processing rules or anti spam settings of the clients are copied.
In seriousness I agree with your assessment. We - i.e. humanity - are fuckugn up this planet to such a large egree, something like this HAS to happen. I am sure it happens a lot more, just people do not realize it.
OTOH on another funny level we may not find out how to breach the speed of light. According to canon (i.e. the travller rpg) the penguins were a contro lmechanism to keep us from realizing this, left by the ancients. Acutally their demise was supposed to come earlier. I just wish I would find a proper reference - this is an ancient (20+ years old) SF rpg, in which actually - well, I am sure al itnerested do know about Traveller:)
Gratulations. Your words give me hope that there are americans that are not idiots. Seriously - you spoke the truth, in exactly the way it needs to be spoken.
I am european, and I have always thought as the US as the country wher edemocracy was strong - today I am not traveling to the US because I refuse to deal with terrorist nations, and unless the us government gets some sort of clue what country they re supposed to govern, the US is just not a place I want to step on even for a day.
Let's all hope that things change once Mr. Bush is out of his office. The uss has dealt with horrendous aberrations in the past (just say McCarthy Era) and recovered.
It is Linus. See, the Penguin is the Linux symbol :-)
n fo/p1122_Linux-Pluesch-Tux---30cm.html/XTCsid/6b24 34d41932e580aed106d3b38aa867
:-) I bet one penguin dies for any of those.
:-)
http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/i
Ever thought how they are made?
I mean, you Linux guys already made sure there are no penguin sides on the nothern hemisphere for a long time. So, now you want to rid the world totally of penguins?
Compare that to Microsoft. Microsoft invented Windows! Instead of robbing the world, they ave us something. WIndows habe been tremendous scuccessfully. Every house has multiple of them
(and andone taking this post serious has mental problems- that all was meant as a joke)
::is your company's CIO brain damaged?
::Hung over, and having to deal with a completely new platform.
No. We are jsut a small software development shop (i.e. less than 20 people) and have to provide vista ready software very soon. So far only test environments were running vista, plus limited developer workstations (doubles).
We take down the whole system between christmas and new year and move out Vista, Office 2007 and Exchange 2007 to our people.
Well, if any of our people have a problem with this they will get fired. I mean, it is not like Vista is new here. Our developers so far all use VIsta to one degree or the other - secondary workstations, test environments. We just delayed the mass-rollout until we have a more quiet day, mostly because the whole install takes so damn long and not all stuff was out yet. Exchange will take the better part of a day.
On top - what you mean with "Hung over"? It is a work day. ou appear here not in working conditions you get fired.
::Vista has NOT been made available to the public Ah yes. So - what are you getting when you buy vista now, there: http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/11/13/HNmscomp usa_1.html
More info: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/item/?ci=21919
It is not in wide distribution, but it is out. You an walk intoa CompUsa NOW and get a copy. ::It was made available on MSDN / Windows Connect for EARLY ADOPTERS
Bullshit. It was made available. That simple. SOME are early in adopting, but it is the real RTM version. Sure, driver support through third party is crap, but that is not going to change inthe next 30 days. It is the RTM version. The versionsin the shop will be identical to the released images- it just now takes time to get them manufactured and into the distribution. ::If your company runs full fledged SQL Server on desktops, they're morons for multiple reasons.
So, I am a moron?
Let me get this straight - how else am I supposed to make SQL Server development woork wih reporting services and/or SSIS on my laptop without internet connection?
Not all uses of a server product are - for prouduction use. ::And your response to my post showed your idiocy, not mine
Let me guess -yyou are american and thus do not value the reality.
Your post?
::"SQL Server" (suggesting its full fledged version) was NEVER compatible with Vista, ::or XP for that matter. It's meant for servers, not desktops.
::Second, Vista is NOT RELEASED YET.
Bet on. One of the most idiotic ever.
See:
Wrong, it was compatible. It is not meant to be used on that - on a poroduction environment, but it is compatible, and a good reason to install it on XP is development. Like having a SQL Server avaialble on your laptop.
Bullshit. Serious. Vista was RTM what - three weeks ago? It is even avaialble in a boxed vervion in shops already in limited distribution (i.e. in SOME shops, wide availability is in january). Companies / developers have download access ot the gold/rtm master code for weeks - like my company is rolling out Vista business between christmas and new year on all desktops, and is inthe middle of testing that.
Check your facts. Idiotic statements like yours make open source look bad.
It is not only not pulled, but now even widely advertised. WinPE is THE isntall method for Vista - in fact, even if you isntall vista from DVD, it first starts a WinPE image to format the hard disc etc. There is FULL documentation AND all the rights to use that :-)
Thomas
::The whole idea of basing China's output using a "per person" formula is just dumb. Its being done to mask the amount of pollution China is creating, ::supposedly they will exceed the US within 2 years (finding that citation should not be too hard)
And brutually speaking, given that they are multiple times the amount of people in the US (what are we talking here? factor of 4? 5?) they have every damn right to produce pollution similar to the US.
Answer: none. The poster obviously is incompetent.
The MSDN subscription is dead cheap for a pro developer, EVEN IF you have to pay the full price.
And then, you can become MS partner and get things a LOT cheaper.
In fact, the whole MSDN subscription runs around 150 euro a month. Add another 150 euro a month for hardware, and you tak of a 300 euro a month budget. This is for a developer. Hm. Sounds like anyone not affording this is not serious.
Not really, it makes sense.
Note that he talks of MARKET, not sales.
Yes, there are 30% sold outside the US, but this in MANY countries. That means in many markets, which would have to get distinct marketing. in each country, sales are possbily to small individually to talk of a "market". Together, they are nice - but then, this is not ONE market.
::There are plenty of companies who need to virtualize this OS for testing purposes.
And only the most idiotic of those will use the Home EULA version. See, I use Home for testing downloaded from MSDN, and as such subject to the MSDN licensing agreement, NOT the EULA. I would have to check these conditions, but I would be surprised would that appear there, too.