It amazes me that you confuse my point about people being overly zealous with the fact that I like closed source. Couldn't be further from the truth.
Simple example:
Linux 2.4.x is late. Alan Cox is working hard on it. Alan Cox is probably putting in 60+ hours a week on the kernel, wouldn't be surprised if it is approaching 80, but I won't go that far.
Now Alan tries something on another Open Source project. He asks a question. What is his answer?
To quote something that (you?) posted above:
> But you've got the source, dickhead.
When Alan points out that he's already working very hard, the Open Source community responds:
> Fuck off back to your 80 hour week, asshole.
Now how does that make Alan feel about the Open Source? So he has the source. Big deal. He's got bigger fish to fry.
btw, work I've contributed to includes DEC Alpha C/C++ compilers (which includes some help with DECC backend support for Alpha/Linux), jikes, and Apache/JServ. You'd be wise to avoid all 3.
> And how long does it take you to find a workaround, and then support that workaround later on?
Actually, support later on is usually much lighter. We've used jikes and xerces and hacked it before; it's lovely when another version comes out and you have to then retrofit your hacks back in, because even when we report the fixes, they don't get integrated. Working around solves it once.
> Gee thanks. Congratulations on perpetuating a sterotype yourself. You're even worse than the most zealous slashbot.
If you say so. But you need to learn that if you call somebody a name, you at least need to tell them what the name is....:)
> So what would you do if you found a bug in Windows (or any non-Free operating system) and the vendor ummed and aaaed for months without fixing it?
Same thing that I do when I find a bug in open source software. I find a workaround and move on. You'd be surprised at the number of times this works.
> Fuck off back to your 80 hour week, asshole.
Petty words only hurt the movement, giving the Bad Guys more firepower about how overzealous the movement is. Congatualations on perpetuating the stereotype.
This is entirely the kind of thing that pisses me off about the whole open source "movement".
Hello -- I work an average of 80 hours a week coding to get our releases out the door. The last thing I want to do is to track down somebody ELSE's bug when I've barely got time to take care of my own. And gee, tracking down somebody's bug that causes a max of a 3 day uptime isn't the kind of thing I want to waste my time doing.
This kind of attitude is nothing more than saying "you've got the source, it's your problem, too". Which is exactly the attitude that MS and Sun point out when they make fun of Open Source. Take this into consideration next time you lambast them for their propaganda.
- Matt
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I'm only 26, but I think the biggest thing people are missing is the overall concept of the internet boom: cash in quick, early, and young, and get the hell out in as much time. Don't forget to put in 90 hr weeks during that time.
That's the way the valley has been operating during the past, say, 3 years. But overall, from every "real" company I've dealt with, experience is a must-have. I worked at DEC for 1.5 years, and experience (on the engineering front at least, not counting marketing:) ) was everything. At the startup I'm working at now, when we go for more funding, we pitch that one of our greatest strengths against our competitors is that we have more senior management -- and they seem to be buying it so far. I won't even go into some of the problems we've had with client engagenements that were your stereotypical CA startup companies, where the oldest engineer was 22, and didn't know their head from their ass.
The internet boom is dying: companies with a zero revenue model are suddenly finding zero funding. The stock market, in terms of those stocks, are going belly-up. You talk to the landlords in the valley area, they all know they have only about a year left of charging stock options as rent. As such, it'll only take the valley another year to realize what every other non-CA company I know of already knows: experience counts.
So, in short, if you're over 25, don't go to CA. You'll like the rent better wherever you go as well.:)
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"There's no such thing as bad publicity"
Because they said so ?
And haven't you been paying attention to the SF news, too?
It amazes me that you confuse my point about people being overly zealous with the fact that I like closed source. Couldn't be further from the truth.
Simple example:
Linux 2.4.x is late. Alan Cox is working hard on it. Alan Cox is probably putting in 60+ hours a week on the kernel, wouldn't be surprised if it is approaching 80, but I won't go that far.
Now Alan tries something on another Open Source project. He asks a question. What is his answer?
To quote something that (you?) posted above:
> But you've got the source, dickhead.
When Alan points out that he's already working very hard, the Open Source community responds:
> Fuck off back to your 80 hour week, asshole.
Now how does that make Alan feel about the Open Source? So he has the source. Big deal. He's got bigger fish to fry.
btw, work I've contributed to includes DEC Alpha C/C++ compilers (which includes some help with DECC backend support for Alpha/Linux), jikes, and Apache/JServ. You'd be wise to avoid all 3.
better, here's my web page:
www.cs.wisc.edu/~mjhans
Now piss off.
> And how long does it take you to find a workaround, and then support that workaround later on?
:)
Actually, support later on is usually much lighter. We've used jikes and xerces and hacked it before; it's lovely when another version comes out and you have to then retrofit your hacks back in, because even when we report the fixes, they don't get integrated. Working around solves it once.
> Gee thanks. Congratulations on perpetuating a sterotype yourself. You're even worse than the most zealous slashbot.
If you say so. But you need to learn that if you call somebody a name, you at least need to tell them what the name is....
- Matt (note lack of AC)
> So what would you do if you found a bug in Windows (or any non-Free operating system) and the vendor ummed and aaaed for months without fixing it?
Same thing that I do when I find a bug in open source software. I find a workaround and move on. You'd be surprised at the number of times this works.
> Fuck off back to your 80 hour week, asshole.
Petty words only hurt the movement, giving the Bad Guys more firepower about how overzealous the movement is. Congatualations on perpetuating the stereotype.
- Matt
> But you've got the source, dickhead.
This is entirely the kind of thing that pisses me off about the whole open source "movement".
Hello -- I work an average of 80 hours a week coding to get our releases out the door. The last thing I want to do is to track down somebody ELSE's bug when I've barely got time to take care of my own. And gee, tracking down somebody's bug that causes a max of a 3 day uptime isn't the kind of thing I want to waste my time doing.
This kind of attitude is nothing more than saying "you've got the source, it's your problem, too". Which is exactly the attitude that MS and Sun point out when they make fun of Open Source. Take this into consideration next time you lambast them for their propaganda.
- Matt
I'm only 26, but I think the biggest thing people are missing is the overall concept of the internet boom: cash in quick, early, and young, and get the hell out in as much time. Don't forget to put in 90 hr weeks during that time.
:) ) was everything. At the startup I'm working at now, when we go for more funding, we pitch that one of our greatest strengths against our competitors is that we have more senior management -- and they seem to be buying it so far. I won't even go into some of the problems we've had with client engagenements that were your stereotypical CA startup companies, where the oldest engineer was 22, and didn't know their head from their ass.
:)
That's the way the valley has been operating during the past, say, 3 years. But overall, from every "real" company I've dealt with, experience is a must-have. I worked at DEC for 1.5 years, and experience (on the engineering front at least, not counting marketing
The internet boom is dying: companies with a zero revenue model are suddenly finding zero funding. The stock market, in terms of those stocks, are going belly-up. You talk to the landlords in the valley area, they all know they have only about a year left of charging stock options as rent. As such, it'll only take the valley another year to realize what every other non-CA company I know of already knows: experience counts.
So, in short, if you're over 25, don't go to CA. You'll like the rent better wherever you go as well.
A while back id released the source for Wolfenstein. Anybody have a pointer to it still? I think they used TC3.01 to compile it....
Where's the best place to find a collection of kernel news, i.e. reported bugs, security holes/features, etc.