Sure, it's not "turned on" right now, but it's hardly "disabled".
The point is not that we aren't using it right now, but that it exists in the first place. It was designed into the system with good reason. If it has been supplanted by newer technology, that's dandy, but the basic idea is the same.
The point I'm making is not that SA is perfect and exactly what the EU should implement, but that a similar system should be in place.
Hopefully the EU's "SA" system will allow for degredation in specfic areas only.
BTW, the US hasn't completely ruled out using SA, this is why they are allowing military GPS receivers in certain non-military critical infrastructure applications.
I think you should educate yourself more on what GPS is and can be used for. IMO SA in "necessary" because not including it would be irresbonsible.
GPS provides not only position, but a highly accurate time source. As a result it is an excellent tool for both weapons guidance AND multilateration of radio transmitters.
Unlike electricity and water, it is an non-trivial exercise to build a backup GPS network.
You seem pretty ignorant about both the technology involved here, and war in general. When a war is going on the military DOES control the power grid, in the sense that they often bomb their enemy's power stations. You could find plently of examples of this from WII.
Part of the problem here is that the article is flame-bait. OF COURSE THE MILITARY CAN JAM GPS. It's a frickin radio signal: ANYONE WITH A BIG ENOUGH TRANSMITTER CAN JAM IT.
What the US is doing here is asking Europe to be sensible. Someday the US/NATO/Whoever WILL need to block this new GPS signal. If you use a properly designed system like SA, if won't cause a bunch of airplanes trying to land on a foggy night to crash. By not implemeting a proper system, you leave any power whose enemy is using it 2 options: jam the entire system, or destroy the entire system. Neither is good.
SA is no more a "historical artifact" than nuclear weapons. Just because they haven't been on the front page lately, doesn't mean they're out of the picture.
The Germans were able to build the V-2 rocket in the 1940's, but they were quite inaccurate. Do you really want the next Milosevic to have an arsenal of accurate V-2 style rockets? Without an SA-type system, all they would need is 1940's missle technology and a handful of engineers (to adapt a civilian unit). All they would need is one of these rockets to take out the Bundestag. The launch site could be hundreds of miles away.
The increase in accuracy is possible because the system can be updated to reflect the new positions of the satelites. It's that simple.
The GPS signal carries the necessary information. The handsets recieve this information and store it.
That's funny and all but i do hope the american leadership realizes in time that there are no winners in a nuclear war.
Yeah, I do hope we Americans some day figure this out. That last nuclear war with Russia was pretty bad.
Since the invasion of Iraq was considered a good option by the current US administration, maybe the ppl will force them to change their mind when the next invasion's price is New York.
I'll take a step farther and provide a realistic answer to your flaimbait: The "jamming" they're talking about doesn't effect 1 reciever. It affects an entire area, or, in the case of GPS, it affects the entire system. There's a real use for an accurate positioning system that can't be disabled on a whim - this is a real issue in the US. People want to use GPS for accurate positioning, but you can't rely on it. There was a great deal of concern during the invaision of Afghanistan (and again during the invasion of Iraq) over this, because there were systems in place that relied on accurate GPS (although they shouldn't) and they would fail if it was disabled. A civilian positioning sytem outside of military control wouldn't have this drawback.
While this is true, you should think it over a bit more.
Q:Why is SA implemented in the current GPS system?
A: In case the enemy tries to use GPS.
Q:Why should an SA-like system implemented in the current GPS system?
A: See above.
While it would be nice if the bad guys would promise never to use a precision guidance system for evil, it's just not reasonable to assume.
The solution is have multiple levels of GPS: Military, Critical Infrastructure, and Civilian. Recievers for the first two types could be controlled while the last type could be unrestricted and degraded as necessary. This is why SA in necessary. The solution is not to eliminate SA, but to put critical infrastructure items in the same bracket as military systems.
You don't read much history, do you? Here's a hint, they don't make movies nor teach you about the unethical stuff in school.
If you compare the US to Britan or France (or maybe Germany) at the height of their power you should realize how this statement was intended. Sure you can find unethical actions, but as a country, we do a lot better than others give us credit for.
Actually not, the Master does not tell the slave what to do.
Actually, when correctly used the "master" does tell the "slave" what to do. A good example would be a hydraulic system, like the clutch in many cars. The master cylider is operated by your foot, and contains a return spring, controlling the slave cylinder. The slave does exactly what the master tells it.
Sometimes these terms aren't applied exactly correctly, but the general meaning is as above.
1. I would hardly call these people "professionals".
2. Willing to committ frauded != dangerous. Is every shoplifter a potential murderer?
3. I mentioned the effectiveness of my spam filter as an example of how these people AREN'T GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. If they were as clever as you think they are, there would be more than 1 spam/week making it to my inbox.
4. You're just trying to stir up silly paranoia. That's why you aren't trying to explain how they're going to make it across the border, etc. If your stop to think about these things, you'll realize how far-fetched your fears really are.
Yes, he should have. He was naive. He probably won't make this mistake in the future.
Riiightt.....
Just like when HP took Wozniak's design for the original Apple PC. Oh right, they didn't and Apple wouldn't exist today if they had.
Apple is being exceptionally lousy in this regard, hence it should be an unexpected event. Do you plan on someone stealing your car every time you go out? Of course not, otherwise you wouldn't drive it anywhere. Does it happen sometimes? Yes.
People shouldn't go through their lives constantly afraid that someone else is going to be a dick. Some events just aren't anticipated by reasonable people.
Whether he programmed it at home or not, he now has the burden of proof, he has to prove that he didn't code the program at the office.
No. He owns the copyright. If Apple wants to own the program they have to get him to give it to them, or take him to court and convice the court that it was developed with company resources.
Thing about it this way:
Say I sign a deal saying I will give you my car if I go over 50 MPH. Can you show up the next day and take my car?
No.
I have to give it to you, or you have to take me to court and prove I went over 50 MPH.
Did he run around Apple HQ boasting about it? Seems a pretty dumb thing to do, these kinda of clauses (where employers maintain rights to your creations) seem pretty common.
It's not dumb. What he does in his spare time is his, period. Why should he assume his employer will try to steal it?
Why didn't he release it under an alias?
Why should he? How is he going to get paid for it if he does?
Do you think he should have been PLANNING on Apple trying to steal his work?
And remember that these guys are already experts at trying to beat those systems.
What are you smoking? My spam filter works AMAZINGLY well.
My recommendation is don't play with fire unless you know you don't care about getting burned.
Are you for real? Are you afraid to tell of telemarketers too, because they might come beat you up?
If you ask me, these Web sites that play these games are doing a public disservice and should be shut down. Heck, the Web sites might be created by the 419 scammers themselves, to help fool more suckers into thinking it is safe to play games with them.
Riiiggght. These guy are going to fly to the US and kidnap you. WTF are you thinking! They're going to get all you info from you're ISP ('cause they'll cooperate), then they're going to book a flight to where you live, during which they'll make it across the border, then they need to buy weapons, find you, kidnap you, and THEN WHAT? Ship you to Nigeria?
You're doing a public disservice by being loopy.
Quite possibly their newest wrinkle is kidnapping the game players for ransom money.
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT IN NIGERIA! HOW ARE NIGERIANS GOING TO KIDNAP THEM?
Even if the did somehow come to the US looking to kidnap someone, why bother to find you when the could easily find someone else with more money?
I wish, but that's just not true. First off, they don't just own new music, the own a vast amount of America's cultural heritage. Are people never supposed to be able to listen to Hendrix and the Beatles? Never listening to (RIAA) music is just not an option.
Second, they have managed to get laws passed such that they get money every time you buy a blank tape, audio cd, etc. This means that even if we were to completely stop patronizing the RIAA, they would still be making money.
The only way to fix this situation will be through legilative changes. Boycotts aren't going to recurce copyright terms and void legislation. Political action is necessary.
can they disable the alarm fast enough before the police and their helicopter reaches them?
Yes. They just need the cab from another rig. (just swap trailers)
They can't put the transmitter inside the metal trailer, and there isn't much to most trailers so one guy could probably do a thorough enough check of the outside while the other was doing the swap.
That's an awfully presumptuous bit of +5 Interesting babble.
How do you know a bill just wasn't lost somewhere? That kind of thing happens here in the real world, you know
The regulations almost definately call for more than one notice. It's just like any other bill you get. If you don't pay your electric bill, they don't cut off your electricity, they send you another notice. People realize that a letter might get lost once, but multiple times?
It's pretty obvious that this is yet another MS screw-up.
Easier solution -- with no technology.
I can turn red traffic lights green just by staring at them. The time required varies a bit from light to light, but eventually they all bend to my whim and turn from red to green.
Unless you drive a motorcycle. Then you may end up sitting there forever. They often don't trigger the sensors under the road, so the light never changes.
simply make the traffic controls go red in all directions only like in Canada.
Ambulances are REQUIRED to stop at red lights for safety reasons. It is not possible for them to tell if their device has changed the light for the other lanes of traffic. There are also issues created with cars not running red lights to get out of the way.
You country's solution's almost as silly as using a regressive tax to provide health care to the poor.
The proper thing to do would be to replace these with bi-directional rf devices. This would make their unauthorized manufacture illegal, allevaite visibility concerns, and give the driver instant feedback when a light recieves the signal.
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Sure, it's not "turned on" right now, but it's hardly "disabled".
The point is not that we aren't using it right now, but that it exists in the first place. It was designed into the system with good reason. If it has been supplanted by newer technology, that's dandy, but the basic idea is the same.
The point I'm making is not that SA is perfect and exactly what the EU should implement, but that a similar system should be in place.
Hopefully the EU's "SA" system will allow for degredation in specfic areas only.
BTW, the US hasn't completely ruled out using SA, this is why they are allowing military GPS receivers in certain non-military critical infrastructure applications.
I think you should educate yourself more on what GPS is and can be used for. IMO SA in "necessary" because not including it would be irresbonsible.
GPS provides not only position, but a highly accurate time source. As a result it is an excellent tool for both weapons guidance AND multilateration of radio transmitters.
Unlike electricity and water, it is an non-trivial exercise to build a backup GPS network.
You seem pretty ignorant about both the technology involved here, and war in general. When a war is going on the military DOES control the power grid, in the sense that they often bomb their enemy's power stations. You could find plently of examples of this from WII.
Part of the problem here is that the article is flame-bait. OF COURSE THE MILITARY CAN JAM GPS. It's a frickin radio signal: ANYONE WITH A BIG ENOUGH TRANSMITTER CAN JAM IT.
What the US is doing here is asking Europe to be sensible. Someday the US/NATO/Whoever WILL need to block this new GPS signal. If you use a properly designed system like SA, if won't cause a bunch of airplanes trying to land on a foggy night to crash. By not implemeting a proper system, you leave any power whose enemy is using it 2 options: jam the entire system, or destroy the entire system. Neither is good.
SA is no more a "historical artifact" than nuclear weapons. Just because they haven't been on the front page lately, doesn't mean they're out of the picture.
The Germans were able to build the V-2 rocket in the 1940's, but they were quite inaccurate. Do you really want the next Milosevic to have an arsenal of accurate V-2 style rockets? Without an SA-type system, all they would need is 1940's missle technology and a handful of engineers (to adapt a civilian unit). All they would need is one of these rockets to take out the Bundestag. The launch site could be hundreds of miles away.
Nothing beat a lameass who can't comprehend sarcasm.
The increase in accuracy is possible because the system can be updated to reflect the new positions of the satelites. It's that simple. The GPS signal carries the necessary information. The handsets recieve this information and store it.
Just read some more.
That's funny and all but i do hope the american leadership realizes in time that there are no winners in a nuclear war.
Yeah, I do hope we Americans some day figure this out. That last nuclear war with Russia was pretty bad.
Since the invasion of Iraq was considered a good option by the current US administration, maybe the ppl will force them to change their mind when the next invasion's price is New York.
You're an idiot.
I'll take a step farther and provide a realistic answer to your flaimbait: The "jamming" they're talking about doesn't effect 1 reciever. It affects an entire area, or, in the case of GPS, it affects the entire system. There's a real use for an accurate positioning system that can't be disabled on a whim - this is a real issue in the US. People want to use GPS for accurate positioning, but you can't rely on it. There was a great deal of concern during the invaision of Afghanistan (and again during the invasion of Iraq) over this, because there were systems in place that relied on accurate GPS (although they shouldn't) and they would fail if it was disabled. A civilian positioning sytem outside of military control wouldn't have this drawback.
While this is true, you should think it over a bit more.
Q:Why is SA implemented in the current GPS system?
A: In case the enemy tries to use GPS.
Q:Why should an SA-like system implemented in the current GPS system?
A: See above.
While it would be nice if the bad guys would promise never to use a precision guidance system for evil, it's just not reasonable to assume.
The solution is have multiple levels of GPS: Military, Critical Infrastructure, and Civilian. Recievers for the first two types could be controlled while the last type could be unrestricted and degraded as necessary. This is why SA in necessary.
The solution is not to eliminate SA, but to put critical infrastructure items in the same bracket as military systems.
"it needs to trade to feed your people"
You aint 'merican huh?
We in America produce so much food that we pay our farmers to NOT GROW food.
It's funny because it's true.
It's amazing how ignorant some of these anti-american belligerents are.
You don't read much history, do you? Here's a hint, they don't make movies nor teach you about the unethical stuff in school.
If you compare the US to Britan or France (or maybe Germany) at the height of their power you should realize how this statement was intended. Sure you can find unethical actions, but as a country, we do a lot better than others give us credit for.
Hmmm... if CNN and foxnews is your reality, yeah sure...
As another poster said:
" I must have missed the US/UK carpet bombing I guess...."
I believe it's you who have issues with reality.
Actually not, the Master does not tell the slave what to do.
Actually, when correctly used the "master" does tell the "slave" what to do. A good example would be a hydraulic system, like the clutch in many cars. The master cylider is operated by your foot, and contains a return spring, controlling the slave cylinder. The slave does exactly what the master tells it.
Sometimes these terms aren't applied exactly correctly, but the general meaning is as above.
1. I would hardly call these people "professionals". 2. Willing to committ frauded != dangerous. Is every shoplifter a potential murderer? 3. I mentioned the effectiveness of my spam filter as an example of how these people AREN'T GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. If they were as clever as you think they are, there would be more than 1 spam/week making it to my inbox. 4. You're just trying to stir up silly paranoia. That's why you aren't trying to explain how they're going to make it across the border, etc. If your stop to think about these things, you'll realize how far-fetched your fears really are.
Yes, he should have. He was naive. He probably won't make this mistake in the future.
Riiightt.....
Just like when HP took Wozniak's design for the original Apple PC. Oh right, they didn't and Apple wouldn't exist today if they had.
Apple is being exceptionally lousy in this regard, hence it should be an unexpected event. Do you plan on someone stealing your car every time you go out? Of course not, otherwise you wouldn't drive it anywhere. Does it happen sometimes? Yes.
People shouldn't go through their lives constantly afraid that someone else is going to be a dick. Some events just aren't anticipated by reasonable people.
Whether he programmed it at home or not, he now has the burden of proof, he has to prove that he didn't code the program at the office.
No. He owns the copyright. If Apple wants to own the program they have to get him to give it to them, or take him to court and convice the court that it was developed with company resources.
Thing about it this way:
Say I sign a deal saying I will give you my car if I go over 50 MPH. Can you show up the next day and take my car?
No.
I have to give it to you, or you have to take me to court and prove I went over 50 MPH.
Understand?
Did he run around Apple HQ boasting about it? Seems a pretty dumb thing to do, these kinda of clauses (where employers maintain rights to your creations) seem pretty common.
It's not dumb. What he does in his spare time is his, period. Why should he assume his employer will try to steal it?
Why didn't he release it under an alias?
Why should he? How is he going to get paid for it if he does?
Do you think he should have been PLANNING on Apple trying to steal his work?
It could be a bit difficult to conference call between two payphones though (:
Just hold the handsets up to each other.
Too bad Form Fucker has a stupid copy-protection scheme built into it.
They want you to correspond with them for every machine you're going to install it on, fools.
Is anybody working on an open source version of this?
And remember that these guys are already experts at trying to beat those systems.
What are you smoking? My spam filter works AMAZINGLY well.
My recommendation is don't play with fire unless you know you don't care about getting burned.
Are you for real? Are you afraid to tell of telemarketers too, because they might come beat you up?
If you ask me, these Web sites that play these games are doing a public disservice and should be shut down. Heck, the Web sites might be created by the 419 scammers themselves, to help fool more suckers into thinking it is safe to play games with them.
Riiiggght. These guy are going to fly to the US and kidnap you. WTF are you thinking! They're going to get all you info from you're ISP ('cause they'll cooperate), then they're going to book a flight to where you live, during which they'll make it across the border, then they need to buy weapons, find you, kidnap you, and THEN WHAT? Ship you to Nigeria?
You're doing a public disservice by being loopy.
Quite possibly their newest wrinkle is kidnapping the game players for ransom money.
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT IN NIGERIA! HOW ARE NIGERIANS GOING TO KIDNAP THEM?
Even if the did somehow come to the US looking to kidnap someone, why bother to find you when the could easily find someone else with more money?
Aren't the Beatles those guys from Liverpool, England?
Being a foreigner doesn't mean you can't become part of another country's culture. Schwarzenegger and Bruce Lee would be a couple more good examples.
2. They will be hurt due to lost sales
I wish, but that's just not true. First off, they don't just own new music, the own a vast amount of America's cultural heritage. Are people never supposed to be able to listen to Hendrix and the Beatles? Never listening to (RIAA) music is just not an option. Second, they have managed to get laws passed such that they get money every time you buy a blank tape, audio cd, etc. This means that even if we were to completely stop patronizing the RIAA, they would still be making money.
The only way to fix this situation will be through legilative changes. Boycotts aren't going to recurce copyright terms and void legislation. Political action is necessary.
Bwahahahaha!
can they disable the alarm fast enough before the police and their helicopter reaches them?
Yes. They just need the cab from another rig. (just swap trailers)
They can't put the transmitter inside the metal trailer, and there isn't much to most trailers so one guy could probably do a thorough enough check of the outside while the other was doing the swap.
That's an awfully presumptuous bit of +5 Interesting babble. How do you know a bill just wasn't lost somewhere? That kind of thing happens here in the real world, you know
The regulations almost definately call for more than one notice. It's just like any other bill you get. If you don't pay your electric bill, they don't cut off your electricity, they send you another notice. People realize that a letter might get lost once, but multiple times?
It's pretty obvious that this is yet another MS screw-up.
Easier solution -- with no technology. I can turn red traffic lights green just by staring at them. The time required varies a bit from light to light, but eventually they all bend to my whim and turn from red to green.
Unless you drive a motorcycle. Then you may end up sitting there forever. They often don't trigger the sensors under the road, so the light never changes.
simply make the traffic controls go red in all directions only like in Canada.
Ambulances are REQUIRED to stop at red lights for safety reasons. It is not possible for them to tell if their device has changed the light for the other lanes of traffic. There are also issues created with cars not running red lights to get out of the way.
You country's solution's almost as silly as using a regressive tax to provide health care to the poor.
The proper thing to do would be to replace these with bi-directional rf devices. This would make their unauthorized manufacture illegal, allevaite visibility concerns, and give the driver instant feedback when a light recieves the signal.
Dude, you'd need some pretty long arms to read Braille from across the room...
Unless you aren't blind.