LOL!
I applaud you!. I spent 2.5hrs with tech support trying different cables, cards, settings, didn't even know the difference between a router and a switch [was told they were one in the same whis is not true] and after all that time? Other people in my area were calling in with teh same problem after just being told the DHCP was fine and it was my system. Rather interesting when they came back and told me it was there gateway. Problem still is happening on and off though. As for wasteful? I didn't know using webcams to talk to friends and family you can't just drive to see as they live too far aways is deemed wasteful. How stupid of me.
that has nothing to do with the performance. There are only 17 on my smt, 34 on the node, and it can handle a hell of a lot more than that.
bandwidth is not a problem where I am. Just most people don't use cable in the area where I am living. I average about 2.5-3GB a day, sometimes more, sometimes less. To me that is acceptable usage. Many providers deem that anything over 5GB a day is excessive use. That I agree with, and think that should be used as a model. IMHO
Many I know online between 1-3GB is average usage. If oen only browses a bit, and does email wont' do that, but the average person who uses the internet does more than just that. Gaming, streaming, music, avi's it's endless what is out there to see and experience. it's all coming down to much of the corporate world. YOu have lots of money you can have, you don't, 2FB!!! you lose out.
That's just not right.
you hit the nail on the head.
They're gateway on my node is screwed, but everytime you complain they say how it's my system, and they're DHCP is fine blahblahblah. I've been dealing with packet losses in the middle of talking to people, gaming, and at least 2-3x a day I go down totally.
And they want to charge more for this?
That doesn't even include the months of slower than dialup I had becuase it took them that long to get off their asses and fix the hub that everyone in the entire area was complaining about. I was lucky if I could get over 800bytes. And you know what i got for all frustrations for months of a problem they new about and was 'wiating for the engineers'? A whole 2weeks credit. And some of these people posting that aren't from here wonder why we that live here get upset at hearing they're going to charge us more for what was when I got cable was 'unlimited'.
think about it this way.
Average MP3 file is 5MB.
Say you download 50 songs a day, some you keep some you just want to checkout and delete,[250MB]
Say you do that every day for a month [7500MB]
And that doesn't include what you upped to others, mail, browsing or anything else you do, nor even touching on games.
And hey, how about those of us who run websites, and upload to our servers? especially graphics?
It goes on and on.....
10MB?
Sh*t man!, just playing online gaming will get you above that like nothing!. Seriously, ever play Unreal Tournament? Ever had to download new maps etc? They average a couple MB's each, not to mention what's sent/received playing. Then there's mail, browsing, forums and anything else you do. From many I know 'average' usage can be anywhere upto 2.5GB in a day easy if you are on for several hours.
Many cable and DSL providers did have [if they still do at all] a 5GB daily limit. Anything over that and an email would be sent questioning your usage. Seriously, do you watch Video streaming from a tech site? download a few funny avi clips you come across? download cartoon movies? Send pics of the newborn to your parents and relatives? talk to them on ICQ, or other such programs as well as your friends you know world wide? I do nothing I didn't do on dialup before I got cable, I just can do it faster, and for that service is why I'm paying twice as much for. When it comes that other cable providers are allowed up here, and eventually they will be, just like Sprint Canada is allowed to do long distance, Roger's and Shaw's monopoly will ended. Right now there is no competition as they do not share the same areas, and Symaptico high-speed is the only one. Some of these posts saying justified blahblahblah can suck up to the corporate ho's and kiss @ss. Bottome line, the consumer always gets the short end of the stick. If my pay went up as much as the damn cable does, phone does, and the rest we have to pay, and now they want to do this? It's all about profit, and getting more subscribers. Dont' be so fooled. Rogers owns a lot of there equipment before @home went under, and see all of a sudden what they're trying to do now that it has? On top of that, don't forget the prosed plans the the cable companies as a whole have of running their own pipeline for Canada. When that's in place just think of the money they make on top of what they already do as not only they will own their own pipeline, and charge their users, they be charging money for other ISP's to use their pipeline. And in the end? comsumers follow like sheep and put up with it. If someone wants to just agree and go along with big corporations dictating, well, go right ahead. I won't be one of them. They only survive by their customers. Customers go elsewhere becaue they're pissed, they lose out.
Why do you think so many in Canada like having DirectTV up here? Because they're sick of the prices cable companies are charging up here.
Not reasonable when you consider the fact of continued packet loss problems, disconnect at least 2-3 times a day, and they're tech support blaming the user and their system like they're stupid when the problem is solely their and, and still isn't fixed as a matter of fact.
There is a present lawsuit pending against them for continued being offline because of system problems without people be credited for it started by a few pissed off customers. You don't think there's going to be more like them if they're forced to pay more for the same service and problems? Think again.
This is such BS> I read the Globe and found it interesting that they're saying we get such a better deal than the US to justify. I know many in the states and they pay the same or only slight more than us looking at it relatively. Paying $111 is what small business DSL service you can get in some places, not home DSL.
I can see then wanting a 'light service' for those who only use the internet occasionally, like mail and the odd browsing, and see more dialup users to use it, but lets be honest here. Most of us went broadband which is UNLIMITED for not only the speed, but we avidly use the internet and all it has to offer, and with more media streaming, online gaming, we are paying to use that by paying rougly double of what dialup costs.
Do you really want and going to stand for by paying what you do now for less service? Or pay double what you presently get, while Rogers makes more money off us? Hell, just offering light usage package they could make more money swinging over dialup users. But they always want to make more money off of their customers. Do you want to pay more for the disconnet problems, and times you can't get online? Hell, I've had packet loss problems for months now that they can't find, and it's been proven it's there end not mine, although they like to tell me it's my end. I'm going to pay $80/month to put up with that? And what if your usage is like mine? some times I use it a lot, other times I'm barely on? It evens out to average use if you look at it.
Take it one step further. We are all on a shared connection sometimes some use it a bit, sometimes some use it alot. It averages out. I think someone else pointed it out, but that if they're going to makes us pay that much they'd have to make it dedicated, not shared. If you're shared, you still limited by how many other users are on sharing bandwidth, and you can only get so much depending on how many other users are on that line. DSL is dedicated.
To assume that Bell will follow suit is crap. I do not outright believe it. Look at the US, they offer a home service like we have, then you can get a DSL small business account that gives you faster speeds. If they try to run things like they are in Australia, we're really screwed. I have no problem with rogers offering a 'light package', but I do have a problem with us present users losing our service we pay for now, or us trying to be forced to pay double for the same service we have now.
From most cable providers I know of 5GB/day is what is consdiered 'allowable download amounts' Going above that most will give you a warning letter. It really doesn't take much to reach half of that using media streaming and gaming surfing email and ICQ'ing friends and relatives, etc. And what if you have a second IP you're paying for? Do you not expect more bandwidth being used or are they going to say it's a collective bandwidth for both? or are they going to start charging more for that as well?
Where will it stop? And how many can afford such prices they are talking of charging? How many are just getting by and able to afford they're cable for a bit of entertainment, etc? Has your pay gone up substantially at all you can suddenly afford paying $80 for what you presently do paying $40?
I really hope that all they're 475,000 users will speak up about this.
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LOL! I applaud you!. I spent 2.5hrs with tech support trying different cables, cards, settings, didn't even know the difference between a router and a switch [was told they were one in the same whis is not true] and after all that time? Other people in my area were calling in with teh same problem after just being told the DHCP was fine and it was my system. Rather interesting when they came back and told me it was there gateway. Problem still is happening on and off though. As for wasteful? I didn't know using webcams to talk to friends and family you can't just drive to see as they live too far aways is deemed wasteful. How stupid of me.
that has nothing to do with the performance. There are only 17 on my smt, 34 on the node, and it can handle a hell of a lot more than that. bandwidth is not a problem where I am. Just most people don't use cable in the area where I am living. I average about 2.5-3GB a day, sometimes more, sometimes less. To me that is acceptable usage. Many providers deem that anything over 5GB a day is excessive use. That I agree with, and think that should be used as a model. IMHO Many I know online between 1-3GB is average usage. If oen only browses a bit, and does email wont' do that, but the average person who uses the internet does more than just that. Gaming, streaming, music, avi's it's endless what is out there to see and experience. it's all coming down to much of the corporate world. YOu have lots of money you can have, you don't, 2FB!!! you lose out. That's just not right.
you hit the nail on the head. They're gateway on my node is screwed, but everytime you complain they say how it's my system, and they're DHCP is fine blahblahblah. I've been dealing with packet losses in the middle of talking to people, gaming, and at least 2-3x a day I go down totally. And they want to charge more for this? That doesn't even include the months of slower than dialup I had becuase it took them that long to get off their asses and fix the hub that everyone in the entire area was complaining about. I was lucky if I could get over 800bytes. And you know what i got for all frustrations for months of a problem they new about and was 'wiating for the engineers'? A whole 2weeks credit. And some of these people posting that aren't from here wonder why we that live here get upset at hearing they're going to charge us more for what was when I got cable was 'unlimited'.
think about it this way. Average MP3 file is 5MB. Say you download 50 songs a day, some you keep some you just want to checkout and delete,[250MB] Say you do that every day for a month [7500MB] And that doesn't include what you upped to others, mail, browsing or anything else you do, nor even touching on games. And hey, how about those of us who run websites, and upload to our servers? especially graphics? It goes on and on.....
10MB? Sh*t man!, just playing online gaming will get you above that like nothing!. Seriously, ever play Unreal Tournament? Ever had to download new maps etc? They average a couple MB's each, not to mention what's sent/received playing. Then there's mail, browsing, forums and anything else you do. From many I know 'average' usage can be anywhere upto 2.5GB in a day easy if you are on for several hours. Many cable and DSL providers did have [if they still do at all] a 5GB daily limit. Anything over that and an email would be sent questioning your usage. Seriously, do you watch Video streaming from a tech site? download a few funny avi clips you come across? download cartoon movies? Send pics of the newborn to your parents and relatives? talk to them on ICQ, or other such programs as well as your friends you know world wide? I do nothing I didn't do on dialup before I got cable, I just can do it faster, and for that service is why I'm paying twice as much for. When it comes that other cable providers are allowed up here, and eventually they will be, just like Sprint Canada is allowed to do long distance, Roger's and Shaw's monopoly will ended. Right now there is no competition as they do not share the same areas, and Symaptico high-speed is the only one. Some of these posts saying justified blahblahblah can suck up to the corporate ho's and kiss @ss. Bottome line, the consumer always gets the short end of the stick. If my pay went up as much as the damn cable does, phone does, and the rest we have to pay, and now they want to do this? It's all about profit, and getting more subscribers. Dont' be so fooled. Rogers owns a lot of there equipment before @home went under, and see all of a sudden what they're trying to do now that it has? On top of that, don't forget the prosed plans the the cable companies as a whole have of running their own pipeline for Canada. When that's in place just think of the money they make on top of what they already do as not only they will own their own pipeline, and charge their users, they be charging money for other ISP's to use their pipeline. And in the end? comsumers follow like sheep and put up with it. If someone wants to just agree and go along with big corporations dictating, well, go right ahead. I won't be one of them. They only survive by their customers. Customers go elsewhere becaue they're pissed, they lose out. Why do you think so many in Canada like having DirectTV up here? Because they're sick of the prices cable companies are charging up here.
It goes up $40, my pay sure the hell ain't going up $40 a month. You want to come pay it for me?
Not reasonable when you consider the fact of continued packet loss problems, disconnect at least 2-3 times a day, and they're tech support blaming the user and their system like they're stupid when the problem is solely their and, and still isn't fixed as a matter of fact. There is a present lawsuit pending against them for continued being offline because of system problems without people be credited for it started by a few pissed off customers. You don't think there's going to be more like them if they're forced to pay more for the same service and problems? Think again.
This is such BS> I read the Globe and found it interesting that they're saying we get such a better deal than the US to justify. I know many in the states and they pay the same or only slight more than us looking at it relatively. Paying $111 is what small business DSL service you can get in some places, not home DSL. I can see then wanting a 'light service' for those who only use the internet occasionally, like mail and the odd browsing, and see more dialup users to use it, but lets be honest here. Most of us went broadband which is UNLIMITED for not only the speed, but we avidly use the internet and all it has to offer, and with more media streaming, online gaming, we are paying to use that by paying rougly double of what dialup costs. Do you really want and going to stand for by paying what you do now for less service? Or pay double what you presently get, while Rogers makes more money off us? Hell, just offering light usage package they could make more money swinging over dialup users. But they always want to make more money off of their customers. Do you want to pay more for the disconnet problems, and times you can't get online? Hell, I've had packet loss problems for months now that they can't find, and it's been proven it's there end not mine, although they like to tell me it's my end. I'm going to pay $80/month to put up with that? And what if your usage is like mine? some times I use it a lot, other times I'm barely on? It evens out to average use if you look at it. Take it one step further. We are all on a shared connection sometimes some use it a bit, sometimes some use it alot. It averages out. I think someone else pointed it out, but that if they're going to makes us pay that much they'd have to make it dedicated, not shared. If you're shared, you still limited by how many other users are on sharing bandwidth, and you can only get so much depending on how many other users are on that line. DSL is dedicated. To assume that Bell will follow suit is crap. I do not outright believe it. Look at the US, they offer a home service like we have, then you can get a DSL small business account that gives you faster speeds. If they try to run things like they are in Australia, we're really screwed. I have no problem with rogers offering a 'light package', but I do have a problem with us present users losing our service we pay for now, or us trying to be forced to pay double for the same service we have now. From most cable providers I know of 5GB/day is what is consdiered 'allowable download amounts' Going above that most will give you a warning letter. It really doesn't take much to reach half of that using media streaming and gaming surfing email and ICQ'ing friends and relatives, etc. And what if you have a second IP you're paying for? Do you not expect more bandwidth being used or are they going to say it's a collective bandwidth for both? or are they going to start charging more for that as well? Where will it stop? And how many can afford such prices they are talking of charging? How many are just getting by and able to afford they're cable for a bit of entertainment, etc? Has your pay gone up substantially at all you can suddenly afford paying $80 for what you presently do paying $40? I really hope that all they're 475,000 users will speak up about this.