No one says you can shoot whoever the hell you want, the point is you do it as an absolute last resort
So when your government blew up a restaurant during supper hour in fallugia saying they believed terrorists were inside, was that a last resort? Or a preemptive strike? When they execute prisoners, is that a last resort?
Your country is violent and vindictive.
You got involved in a conversation where Shakrai said "If you try to break into my house and I blow you away it's not murder.". He said nothing about the intruder even having a weapon.
New York may have high crime rates, but any system that requires me to refrain from using force, even if it's the last possible resort, against someone threatening me in my own home is fucking broken.
Well I'll take my broken system with low crime rates over yours which has no respect for the sanctity of life and encourages more violence and murder.
Actually we are among the lowest in the nation but I suspect that distinction would be lost on the GP or would just be ignored as not meshing with his predefined conceptions about the United States.
Yes it would, because the lowest in your nation is still much higher than the highest in mine
I've never understood those that try to advance retreat clauses. Why the hell should you have to retreat from your own home before defending yourself?
Who said anything about retreat? Why do you have to "blow someone away" to defend yourself? Murder is not self defense, it is an offensive strategy. Are you talking about defending yourself with lethal force? Or defending your personal property with lethal force?
New York State (hardly a red conservative state) would say otherwise.
New York State is in the USA. The USA is a special case. It has among the highest crime rates in the world. It is not a good example to point to in defending the right to blow someone away, or how effective capitol punishment is. It is an example to point to of a system that does not work.
You betray your biases when you imply that it's not civilized to have capital punishment.
You've confused causality. I did not imply that it isn't civilized to have capitol punishment. Only that most civilized societies do not have capitol punishment.
If you try to break into my house and I blow you away it's not murder.
Depends where you live I suppose, and on the circumstances. I would say blowing someone away goes well beyond what a reasonable person would consider self defense.
If the state takes your life after a jury of your peers found you guilty and decided that the crime warrants the death penalty then it's not murder either.
Depends where you live. Most civilized nations have banned capitol punishment.
it wouldnt' distrust us to make up our own minds about "good" or "evil", would they?
That's what is great about GWB.. He'll just come right out and tell you who the evildoers are. You don't have to worry about whether they are evildoers. He's got it all figured out. The plan is well into action, and everything will be rectified, justice will be served real soon now.
It's a witch hunt. Don't try to make sense of it, there is none. It's hysteria unopposed.
This is the worst kind too, if you speak against it then you're obviously a paedophile.
It makes no difference to these people that the creeps will simply move on to bittorrent, edonkey, etc. They'll keep on destroying good technology until their work is done. Too bad it never will be.
Fine. As long as marijuana isn't on the list of evil things. Alcohol trumps pot on the evil scale easily, and that war went about as well as the one on pot has.
We've got little gangsters making a fortune on a plant that grows naturally and making life miserable for the rest of us, and people like Marc who have never hurt anyone being imprisoned for rediculous amounts of time.
The point was, Marc broke no Canadian law. He never set foot in the U.S. Way back when, you made a statement that I figure should apply to a Canadian citizen. Canadian laws pertain to him.
To me it sounds like he got screwed by the Canadian government more than the US government.
Both actually. At the time we signed up to these new war of terror cross-border-information-sharing-and-expidited-extraditions, it wasn't supposed to be used for non-terrorist related things. Whatever those are.
Somebody obviously confused war-on-drugs with war-on-terror. They're pointless and stupid wars, I could see how it could happen.
You'll have to pardon me because I don't know anyone who has a "summer home" or what have you.
I guess it's a cultural thing then, because most everyone I know has a cottage somewhere in the family. It's a necessary ritual to "go to the lake" here.
YouTube is a US based company, so US laws pertain to it.
Fuck that. If you bastards can kidnap Marc Emory for committing a crime that isn't even a crime here in Canada, then we're taking Google down. Canadian law requires companies to keep my data private.
I'm saying nothing has happened yet. I have no doubt that they will simply stop calling them enemy combatants and come up with some other silly name so they can go on with the gulag.
The supreme court can rule all it wants, but meanwhile those people are still sitting in jail. Do you have any idea what it would be like to be imprisoned for 6 years, half way around the world from your home? You call me a fool? Do you have any idea why there is so much contempt for your country around the world?
I think it is you who is confused. The government of the United States of America has no respect for it's own laws, international laws, or trade agreements. It does what it wants and gets away with it.
I guess you and whoever wasted a mod point on your post haven't been listening, but your "indefinite detention" screed is moot now.
Moot? So the people who have been sitting in their cell for 5 years without trial are vindicated now, and justice has been restored? I don't think so. Do their family even know if they are alive or dead yet?
Can they even afford to sue the government in U.S. courts? I can't. It wouldn't even matter if they could, the U.S. government lost several court cases involving softwood lumber from Canada, and they just completely ignored the ruling and went on imposing their tariff.
Being given the right to sue the government is supposed to make up for this gross hypocrisy?
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Two others modded me the other way though.. It started at 2 and it's still at score 2. There's some common sense out there, just not enough of it.
So when your government blew up a restaurant during supper hour in fallugia saying they believed terrorists were inside, was that a last resort? Or a preemptive strike? When they execute prisoners, is that a last resort?
Your country is violent and vindictive.
You got involved in a conversation where Shakrai said "If you try to break into my house and I blow you away it's not murder.". He said nothing about the intruder even having a weapon.
You become a citizen at birth. I don't think cosmetic abortion is anything better than murder either though.
Well I'll take my broken system with low crime rates over yours which has no respect for the sanctity of life and encourages more violence and murder.
Yes it would, because the lowest in your nation is still much higher than the highest in mine
Who said anything about retreat? Why do you have to "blow someone away" to defend yourself? Murder is not self defense, it is an offensive strategy. Are you talking about defending yourself with lethal force? Or defending your personal property with lethal force?
New York State is in the USA. The USA is a special case. It has among the highest crime rates in the world. It is not a good example to point to in defending the right to blow someone away, or how effective capitol punishment is. It is an example to point to of a system that does not work.
You've confused causality. I did not imply that it isn't civilized to have capitol punishment. Only that most civilized societies do not have capitol punishment.
Depends where you live I suppose, and on the circumstances. I would say blowing someone away goes well beyond what a reasonable person would consider self defense.
Depends where you live. Most civilized nations have banned capitol punishment.
Same with drugs. The two go hand in hand. Get the girls hooked, and they'll keep working for you to support their habit.
The most dangerous thing about prohibition is the laws themselves.
They already do. The USA is the only Western democracy that murders its own citizens.
I wouldn't even go to the states and say it. I'm not afraid of the government there, just the rednecks.
That's what is great about GWB.. He'll just come right out and tell you who the evildoers are. You don't have to worry about whether they are evildoers. He's got it all figured out. The plan is well into action, and everything will be rectified, justice will be served real soon now.
It's a witch hunt. Don't try to make sense of it, there is none. It's hysteria unopposed.
This is the worst kind too, if you speak against it then you're obviously a paedophile.
It makes no difference to these people that the creeps will simply move on to bittorrent, edonkey, etc. They'll keep on destroying good technology until their work is done. Too bad it never will be.
Fine. As long as marijuana isn't on the list of evil things. Alcohol trumps pot on the evil scale easily, and that war went about as well as the one on pot has.
We've got little gangsters making a fortune on a plant that grows naturally and making life miserable for the rest of us, and people like Marc who have never hurt anyone being imprisoned for rediculous amounts of time.
The point was, Marc broke no Canadian law. He never set foot in the U.S. Way back when, you made a statement that I figure should apply to a Canadian citizen. Canadian laws pertain to him.
Both actually. At the time we signed up to these new war of terror cross-border-information-sharing-and-expidited-extraditions, it wasn't supposed to be used for non-terrorist related things. Whatever those are.
Somebody obviously confused war-on-drugs with war-on-terror. They're pointless and stupid wars, I could see how it could happen.
The government does it for you.
Where you live. Land is cheap up here in Canada.
I guess it's a cultural thing then, because most everyone I know has a cottage somewhere in the family. It's a necessary ritual to "go to the lake" here.
Fuck that. If you bastards can kidnap Marc Emory for committing a crime that isn't even a crime here in Canada, then we're taking Google down. Canadian law requires companies to keep my data private.
Firefox is not GPL'ed. Your point is still valid, their license and all software licenses that I know of rely on copyright.
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Many people think GPL = Open Source, we better not lead anyone to believe that here.
I'm saying nothing has happened yet. I have no doubt that they will simply stop calling them enemy combatants and come up with some other silly name so they can go on with the gulag.
The supreme court can rule all it wants, but meanwhile those people are still sitting in jail. Do you have any idea what it would be like to be imprisoned for 6 years, half way around the world from your home? You call me a fool? Do you have any idea why there is so much contempt for your country around the world?
I think it is you who is confused. The government of the United States of America has no respect for it's own laws, international laws, or trade agreements. It does what it wants and gets away with it.
Moot? So the people who have been sitting in their cell for 5 years without trial are vindicated now, and justice has been restored? I don't think so. Do their family even know if they are alive or dead yet?
Can they even afford to sue the government in U.S. courts? I can't. It wouldn't even matter if they could, the U.S. government lost several court cases involving softwood lumber from Canada, and they just completely ignored the ruling and went on imposing their tariff.
Being given the right to sue the government is supposed to make up for this gross hypocrisy?
That's okay, they can just skip the court of law now and lock people up for years and years without a trial.
Now all we need is someone to keep them honest.
Or just forward the VNC port. Should be 5900 for screen :0. It'll be faster than raw X11 forwarding.