No, the point is that they still sell the original iMac which still uses the G3. So they have two G3 based systems, the iBook and the original iMac (OiM).
I think it started happening before then. I was doing SQL stuff back in the 1990 timeframe (even interviewed at Ingres and Sybase) and everyone I knew was saying sequel even back then. It might have been a Bay Area thing though, or maybe even specific to the "upstart" db's, don't know what the IBM or Oracle camp was calling it.
Actually for most/.ers you would get a nice fat result set back, however, you'd be forced to do an inner join with the "LikelyToBeInterestedInASlashdotReadingNerd" table and then you'd get no results.
AFAIK almost everyone says sequel, not just M$ites. What really has me wondering though is, is it Lynnucks or Line-ex and how do you say that Bjarne guys last name?
Actually my comment was not aimed at the validity of your ascertation, instead it was designed to point out the hypocracy of it.
I don't want to come off sounding mean spirited, that is not my intention, but lets be real here. You're saying that "big business" as an entity has a tendency to put it's wants and needs before others. Well that sounds like pretty much most "living" things. Of course many do take this too far, both humans and corps, no denying that. But to generalize and stereotype and accuse but yet not do the sacrifices that would not group yourself into the same category as those you blast, now that is weak.
As to your last statement, I completely, 100% disagree. Big business LOVES me (and you), because you and I are the ones that allow it to exist and flourish. We buy the products, we vote for the "bought" politicians, what's not to love?
And I assume that you walked to work, have a hamster run generator that's powering the computer that you posted on, don't use anything plastic or wear nylons or spandex?
Why not do what a great many other people do (though I have a feeling that you may be doing this already), and target a specific platform for initial release, and then release on the others afterward? This allows you to focus on the platform that gives you the most bang for the buck, but still keep your scaling advantage. If you already have an established product/development environment, then you should already know enough to keep from doing any of the "big mistakes" when it comes to writing portable code. Plus this allows you to divvie up your engineers into functionality vs porting.
Another thing would be to standardize on say, gcc. since the source is available, you can do whatever tweaks you need to to get around any performance issues (I know, easier said than done). Then standardize on things like configure.
Many are complaining about the fact that the librarians can't disclose the fact that a persons internet use is being monitored. Duh, what do you expect, the FBI to "tap" the computers, but then have the librarians tell every user that their activities are being monitored? Now THAT would be effective (not saying that not disclosing is effective, but disclosing would be a joke on a Monty Pythonesque level).
Give it up folks, privacy in the information age is a dream and it's time to wake up. Everyone from the feds to that pimply faced kid next door can get into your life about as deep as they want to spend the time doing.
Today information tracking is so rediculously cheap
er, no. It's quite expensive because of the sheer volume of data that needs to be tracked. And no, just stuffing it away for "future" perusal is not a viable option. Your assuming that either the information flow will decrease, or the methods used will increase productivity as a rate significantly higher than the data being captured. Until that happens, any saved (and my god this would be a massive amount) could only be used to go back and look for specific individuals, vs retro-processing.
Right but "Rosebud" and "Crying Game" because of the movies they are have their "secrets" pretty much known to everyone. I still run across a lot of people who have never heard of the "Usual Suspects", so giving that away has a lot more meaning than those examples that you gave. Almost like me giving away the "secret" to "The Ninth Configuration" vs "The Sixth Sense".
Plus, yes, the attribution at the time of reading wouldn't mean anything to those reading it. But as soon as they started watching the movie they'd immediately would make the connection, especially since KS is such a big star now (unless of course their short term memory is like mine, in which case they'd probably forget they read it, what movie are we talking about again?)
43 minutes to compile a 50000 line program, OUCH. Compile time isn't much of an issue. I guess it's not if you're not making a lot of changes or having to go through debug sessions where you have to tweak things to help figure out what's going on.
As to the rest of your comments, it's the same thing people have been saying for the last 10 years, pc's more cost effective than brand x unix, yadda, brand x is going away, yadda, yadda. The most amusing thing is this comment:
I would never consider spending more on Sun hardware because if Im doing graphics I use a Mac (or Irix)
Irix!?! SGI!?! Lord knows, their stuff is never overpriced and their price performance ratio is on par with WinTel/Apple. Oh wait, maybe not. What's that, SGI/Irix has certain features that warrant the higher price for your needs, hey, just maybe Sun/Solaris does the exact same thing in the server market.
Well, if the French distributor can sell at a lower price than the German one even by operating outside its own borders, it means that something is screwed with the German one.
Well, not necessarily. Take the case of sales tax (or VAT). First let me say that I don't know if this applies to the EU, I'm just using this as an example. If distrib A has to charge tax for sales within their area but distrib B (who is in a different area) can sell into distrib A's area but without charging tax, then that gives distrib B an advantage. Like I said, I'm not saying that this applies here, but there could definitely be reasons why one distributor could have an advantage over another price wise.
I think your missing the point here. They are not prohibited from charging more (to their distributors) in Germany because their COG is higher there. What they are saying is that they can't in turn force their distributors to turn around and charge the end user a fixed price. They want the distributors to be able to charge whatever they (the distributor) think will move the units in the area that they cover.
Now, you can definitely see Nintendo's point here. If for whatever reason it costs more to sell product in Germany than France, they would like to charge more to their distributors in Germany. However, if the French distributor starts to take advantage of the situation by selling into Germany, this hurts the German distributor. So then Nintendo is forced to charge all their distribs the same amount. Which I think is reasonable, they'll just charge everbody a bit more to cover it.
Bank of America works great with Mozilla. Back when they were NationsBank, it took them a little while to support Moz, but their support for Netscape was fine until they caught up.
I wonder how many of the "sinner" banks use IIS? NationsBank uses Netcape/iPlanet so in that regard they haven't sold out to the dark side, yet. Does the server platform somehow reflect on their browser support??
You're right, I haven't seen one. Keep this in mind though, kids have to be told all the time not to run out in the middle of the street. Just because kids do things that don't seem to make a lot of sense to you and me, doesn't mean that adults (generally) do them to. The criminal element for the most part does not like getting caught, kids are often too ignorant to care.
SSN numbers are assigned to every US citizen, that's pretty much were the similarities stop.
Well, not really. What does getting credit have to do with Social Security. Not much, but yet the SSN now equates more with credit than it does social security. Fact is that the SSN is the number that most peoples lives revolve around (I said most, not all, I know there are people out there who avoid this, but the majority don't). Given that, with a host of other pieces of identifying data, you can be tracked anywhere. Not giving wally-mart your SSN really doesn't have anything to do with privacy, it has more to do with fraud. If you use your real info to get that license, you can easily be cross referenced right back to your SSN, not problemo.
Privacy is the biggest victim in the information society.
No, my point was not about this person, it was about ADA in general. Actually, specifically this partial thread was about making incorrect analogies about the ADA. I made no statement on the validity of the person in the articles claim.
What I find the most amusing is that I tend to be against the ADA, I just don't like bad logic;) But it looks like the people who responded to my post think I'm a pro ADA whacko just because I tryed to point out a flaw in an analogy.
An example where these cameras are NOT having any measureable deterent value can be found here [go.com] where bullies on school buses still physically beat other students knowing full well they are being videotaped.
Do you have more info on this story than the link you provided? Nowhere does it say that the kids "knew full well" they were being videotaped? There is also not a single mention in the article about it's effectiveness as a deterrent (unless of course you want to go by the logic that unless it stops ALL instances of violence, then it's ineffective).
This strikes me as a matter of simple human rights. Does anyone have the right to force a company to spend money on a minority, or accept customers they wouldn't otherwise accept? I don't believe they do.
Uh, you're too late. This is what ADA is all about. The govt mandating that concessions be made to a minority of the population. This case is but one example.
Does this mean I am going to go out and sue all glove makers because they don't make a right hand glove with no thumb?
No, because the presensce of the thumb does not prevent you from using it. If you had six fingers and could somehow prove it was a "disability", then you'd have a case.
That's right, and any oil pumped through it must have the source code for the drill software. Any gas produced from teh oil must then contain the code for the oil and the drill. The gas that's produced can only be run in non proprietary engines and the owner of the engine can request the source for the drill at any time.
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No, the point is that they still sell the original iMac which still uses the G3. So they have two G3 based systems, the iBook and the original iMac (OiM).
Actually, usage changed sometime around 1994
I think it started happening before then. I was doing SQL stuff back in the 1990 timeframe (even interviewed at Ingres and Sybase) and everyone I knew was saying sequel even back then. It might have been a Bay Area thing though, or maybe even specific to the "upstart" db's, don't know what the IBM or Oracle camp was calling it.
Actually for most /.ers you would get a nice fat result set back, however, you'd be forced to do an inner join with the "LikelyToBeInterestedInASlashdotReadingNerd" table and then you'd get no results.
AFAIK almost everyone says sequel, not just M$ites. What really has me wondering though is, is it Lynnucks or Line-ex and how do you say that Bjarne guys last name?
Well not quite. They still have the original iMac for $799. So the iBook can be thought of as the most expensive G3 they sell.
Actually my comment was not aimed at the validity of your ascertation, instead it was designed to point out the hypocracy of it.
I don't want to come off sounding mean spirited, that is not my intention, but lets be real here. You're saying that "big business" as an entity has a tendency to put it's wants and needs before others. Well that sounds like pretty much most "living" things. Of course many do take this too far, both humans and corps, no denying that. But to generalize and stereotype and accuse but yet not do the sacrifices that would not group yourself into the same category as those you blast, now that is weak.
As to your last statement, I completely, 100% disagree. Big business LOVES me (and you), because you and I are the ones that allow it to exist and flourish. We buy the products, we vote for the "bought" politicians, what's not to love?
And I assume that you walked to work, have a hamster run generator that's powering the computer that you posted on, don't use anything plastic or wear nylons or spandex?
Why not do what a great many other people do (though I have a feeling that you may be doing this already), and target a specific platform for initial release, and then release on the others afterward? This allows you to focus on the platform that gives you the most bang for the buck, but still keep your scaling advantage. If you already have an established product/development environment, then you should already know enough to keep from doing any of the "big mistakes" when it comes to writing portable code. Plus this allows you to divvie up your engineers into functionality vs porting.
Another thing would be to standardize on say, gcc. since the source is available, you can do whatever tweaks you need to to get around any performance issues (I know, easier said than done). Then standardize on things like configure.
Many are complaining about the fact that the librarians can't disclose the fact that a persons internet use is being monitored. Duh, what do you expect, the FBI to "tap" the computers, but then have the librarians tell every user that their activities are being monitored? Now THAT would be effective (not saying that not disclosing is effective, but disclosing would be a joke on a Monty Pythonesque level).
Give it up folks, privacy in the information age is a dream and it's time to wake up. Everyone from the feds to that pimply faced kid next door can get into your life about as deep as they want to spend the time doing.
Today information tracking is so rediculously cheap
er, no. It's quite expensive because of the sheer volume of data that needs to be tracked. And no, just stuffing it away for "future" perusal is not a viable option. Your assuming that either the information flow will decrease, or the methods used will increase productivity as a rate significantly higher than the data being captured. Until that happens, any saved (and my god this would be a massive amount) could only be used to go back and look for specific individuals, vs retro-processing.
Right but "Rosebud" and "Crying Game" because of the movies they are have their "secrets" pretty much known to everyone. I still run across a lot of people who have never heard of the "Usual Suspects", so giving that away has a lot more meaning than those examples that you gave. Almost like me giving away the "secret" to "The Ninth Configuration" vs "The Sixth Sense".
Plus, yes, the attribution at the time of reading wouldn't mean anything to those reading it. But as soon as they started watching the movie they'd immediately would make the connection, especially since KS is such a big star now (unless of course their short term memory is like mine, in which case they'd probably forget they read it, what movie are we talking about again?)
Borrowing from Kaiser Sousay (XXXXX XXXXXX) in Usual Suspects
Doh, and thanks for spoiling the movie for anyone who might not have seen it.
It takes 43 minutes to compile
43 minutes to compile a 50000 line program, OUCH. Compile time isn't much of an issue. I guess it's not if you're not making a lot of changes or having to go through debug sessions where you have to tweak things to help figure out what's going on.
As to the rest of your comments, it's the same thing people have been saying for the last 10 years, pc's more cost effective than brand x unix, yadda, brand x is going away, yadda, yadda. The most amusing thing is this comment:
I would never consider spending more on Sun hardware because if Im doing graphics I use a Mac (or Irix)
Irix!?! SGI!?! Lord knows, their stuff is never overpriced and their price performance ratio is on par with WinTel/Apple. Oh wait, maybe not. What's that, SGI/Irix has certain features that warrant the higher price for your needs, hey, just maybe Sun/Solaris does the exact same thing in the server market.
Well, if the French distributor can sell at a lower price than the German one even by operating outside its own borders, it means that something is screwed with the German one.
Well, not necessarily. Take the case of sales tax (or VAT). First let me say that I don't know if this applies to the EU, I'm just using this as an example. If distrib A has to charge tax for sales within their area but distrib B (who is in a different area) can sell into distrib A's area but without charging tax, then that gives distrib B an advantage. Like I said, I'm not saying that this applies here, but there could definitely be reasons why one distributor could have an advantage over another price wise.
I think your missing the point here. They are not prohibited from charging more (to their distributors) in Germany because their COG is higher there. What they are saying is that they can't in turn force their distributors to turn around and charge the end user a fixed price. They want the distributors to be able to charge whatever they (the distributor) think will move the units in the area that they cover.
Now, you can definitely see Nintendo's point here. If for whatever reason it costs more to sell product in Germany than France, they would like to charge more to their distributors in Germany. However, if the French distributor starts to take advantage of the situation by selling into Germany, this hurts the German distributor. So then Nintendo is forced to charge all their distribs the same amount. Which I think is reasonable, they'll just charge everbody a bit more to cover it.
Bank of America works great with Mozilla. Back when they were NationsBank, it took them a little while to support Moz, but their support for Netscape was fine until they caught up.
I wonder how many of the "sinner" banks use IIS? NationsBank uses Netcape/iPlanet so in that regard they haven't sold out to the dark side, yet. Does the server platform somehow reflect on their browser support??
You're right, I haven't seen one. Keep this in mind though, kids have to be told all the time not to run out in the middle of the street. Just because kids do things that don't seem to make a lot of sense to you and me, doesn't mean that adults (generally) do them to. The criminal element for the most part does not like getting caught, kids are often too ignorant to care.
Think so? Wouldn't a system with disks be more suitable for that
:)
Nah, just one honkin RAMDisk. Could serve up mucho porn/warez, when the feds come knockin, just pull the plug, presto, no evidence
SSN numbers are assigned to every US citizen, that's pretty much were the similarities stop.
Well, not really. What does getting credit have to do with Social Security. Not much, but yet the SSN now equates more with credit than it does social security. Fact is that the SSN is the number that most peoples lives revolve around (I said most, not all, I know there are people out there who avoid this, but the majority don't). Given that, with a host of other pieces of identifying data, you can be tracked anywhere. Not giving wally-mart your SSN really doesn't have anything to do with privacy, it has more to do with fraud. If you use your real info to get that license, you can easily be cross referenced right back to your SSN, not problemo.
Privacy is the biggest victim in the information society.
No, my point was not about this person, it was about ADA in general. Actually, specifically this partial thread was about making incorrect analogies about the ADA. I made no statement on the validity of the person in the articles claim.
;) But it looks like the people who responded to my post think I'm a pro ADA whacko just because I tryed to point out a flaw in an analogy.
What I find the most amusing is that I tend to be against the ADA, I just don't like bad logic
An example where these cameras are NOT having any measureable deterent value can be found here [go.com] where bullies on school buses still physically beat other students knowing full well they are being videotaped.
Do you have more info on this story than the link you provided? Nowhere does it say that the kids "knew full well" they were being videotaped? There is also not a single mention in the article about it's effectiveness as a deterrent (unless of course you want to go by the logic that unless it stops ALL instances of violence, then it's ineffective).
So I suppose you wouldn't mind wearing 3-legged pants
I'd prefer three legged than 1! Difference between being inconvenienced and not being able to wear them at all.
This strikes me as a matter of simple human rights. Does anyone have the right to force a company to spend money on a minority, or accept customers they wouldn't otherwise accept? I don't believe they do.
Uh, you're too late. This is what ADA is all about. The govt mandating that concessions be made to a minority of the population. This case is but one example.
Does this mean I am going to go out and sue all glove makers because they don't make a right hand glove with no thumb?
No, because the presensce of the thumb does not prevent you from using it. If you had six fingers and could somehow prove it was a "disability", then you'd have a case.
"I run my drill on Linux! ..."
That's right, and any oil pumped through it must have the source code for the drill software. Any gas produced from teh oil must then contain the code for the oil and the drill. The gas that's produced can only be run in non proprietary engines and the owner of the engine can request the source for the drill at any time.