Well, the point is that the fiber can carry DWDM compressed Sonet, ATM or another type.
If the carriers will shell out for DWDM gear for local CO's though.
The Sonet rings around DC used to be oc-192's and have since been upped to oc-768's
OC-192 roughly 10 Gbps OC-768 roughly 40 Gbps
A single strand of fiber can carry ALOT more data than most carriers are willing to buy gear to push it.
All the long haul single mode uses DWDM these days, unless they are just too tight to shell out for it.
This high end service, just like VDSL will be sold for a VERY high cost, and not many ppl will be willing to pay for it.
VDSL has been here in the states for quite awhile, and only businesses are running it to my knowledge.
They are just rolling this out in phases , making money in multiple dips instead of shooting straight at FTTC ( fiber to the curb ).
Fiber to the Curb is still too high to deploy right now for most cities, though some have done it anyways in the US.
Fiber is the ultimate solution, zero latency optical routing to each metro, then open the packets to read headers and route and switch it to its local destination.
Cisco has been trying to sell this idea for some time.
Fiber to the neighborhood highpoint , then 2x mode 802.11g or 802.16 pushing around 22 Mbps.
They say it is 55 Mbps, but that is not the actual throughput.
Water towers in the rural US already host celluar array panels for this reason, a similar arrangement can be made for high bandwidth Wi-Fi.
Proxim 802.11a in 2x mode toutes 108 Mbps, but gets NO WHERE near it.
Fiber to the home costs a huge amount to make it happen.
The splicing, termination,routing and switching gear are the killer costs.
The fibre itself in bulk is not "that" bad, and the connectors in bulk for termination if plastic is used is not that bad.
Some US cities have rolled out fibre to the curb ( FTTC ).
Most have not and will not do to the cost.
Perhaps a Co-op could be started to run Fiber to the curb, but it would take skilled ppl, and the demand to do it.
There is alot of disallusionment with tech these days, ppl have turned there back on the internet dream.
I'd personally still love to see it happen.
Well enough rambling.
Peace, Ex-MislTech
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Setup a 802.11g neighborhood Co-op.
Have several ppl use Mesh AP's www.locustworld.com
All of you use different providers as allowed.
If one provider goes down, the others will be your route to the net . You'll see slow down but never go down, and when they are all working , you can get combined bandwidth.
As long as you are all not leeching at the same time and do not duplicate downloads, ie. large filez.
You will get a better bandwidth experience.
I am setting up on of these in a rural town.
The scary part can be getting to know all the ppl around you , lol.
The usual reason it slows down is because their local data line to your local CO is over sold.
They hook up more ppl than they should to the line to maximize their profits, it is the same thing AOL did back in the mid 90's just at a DSL scale vs. dial up.
The whole shared bandwidth argument touted by DSL providers against the cable modem ppl , is just a viable against the DSL providers.
If you abuse the network and over sell it, it is going to slow down for ppl.
You might try another DSL modem, NIC, and PC on the connection, but if they are the same slower speed then your problem most likely lies with them over selling the lines.
Peace, Ex-MislTech
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www.starband.com
www.direcway.com
Little pricey, but it is bi-directional satellite access.
Latency sucks if you try to do online games or streaming anything , but it is good for downloading , and hits around 500Kbps optimally.
Peace, Ex-MislTech
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Sun makes damn good hardware, damn reliable.
Some of their newer cheaper stuff does not hold up to this.
For the Telecom space they are the System of choice , but ppl have started running other OS's on the Sun hardware, namely Linux.
Sun needs to work to minimize its costs, work WITH Linux, and become a powerhouse WITH opensource.
If it joins forces with Open Source FULLY, it will win the war that was started years ago against M$.
Sun's bread and butter has been server space, forking from Solaris is going to be a near impossible choice for them to embrace.
The amount of time and money they have put into they cannot see letting go of it, but if they cling to it and do not have a parallel thread for the lower ROI of Linux they are going to lose simply by attrition.
Telecom and a few others will be their only long term die hard hold outs, and they will reduce over time.
Adapt or die, that is what this business is about.
IBM adapted, even M$ adapted and used some Unix/Linux code.
Opensource can no longer be ignored, Sun must see that and they must join with opensource or just like M$ they too in time will fall or just be a high end hardware vendor.
Maybe he finds it hard to fit in well with corporate america, maybe he has a hard time kissing butt.
Maybe "the game" of the real world and the ppl that cheat you, and cheat everything around them seems like there is less of a chance to succeed.
Maybe those that watch the TV for countless hours waste as much time as him.
Maybe those that play sports, watch sports, attend sports, go to concerts are wasting their time ???
After all they only have a "feeling" to show for it afterwards , and nothing substantial.
Escapism from a world we feel we are or have lost control over, and a meager lack luster existence that seems at times almost predetermined drives us to Escapism.
Ppl that have jobs because they are the neice, cousin, nephew of someone higher up and are truly inept.
Trying to find jobs and finding out they are only taking apps from Visa workers.
The reality becomes a weight to bear, and going home and studying for hours each day for the greater good of the corporate yoke just becomes less and less appealing as more and more often the corporates treat their workers like handi-wipes.
It tends to make ppl look for success elsewhere.
Enron, Global Crossing, Broadband Office, Cisco, Nortel, Lucent and many others all lay off thousands of ppl, and some of them good ppl , and some worthless ones keep their jobs.
To those in the middle of it, it makes no sense.
So they look elsewhere when they feel the deck is stacked.
Be it a TV, sports, Mall ratting, or studying hard to be a better corporate disposable multi-tool.
What you do with your time, to take it off your present state is up to you, and for those that question it so vehemently perhaps you should look to your own inner peace.
How much time do we "waste" arguing topics here on slashdot just to try to impress our point on others for self gratification to show others that we may be right ?
Yes, this is cargo only, Ppl would get killed in this system.
This would allow much lighter craft to take the astronauts to space, while the rail gun kicks up "most" types of durable cargo.
Delicates would have to be taken up the old fashion way.
The launch cost is unknown for this system, no one has even done a cost study, no one has even modelled a prototype via a computer.
As for platform delicacy, the recoil could be avoided by a hydrogen blast in the reverse direction the rail gun fires. Counteracting the extreme recoil force.
This system is not meant for sending large pieces up, it is meant for sending raw materials up , and then to have remote control robots assemble them if needed.
This about putting more material up in less time, for far less than conventional methods.
Instead of sustaining man up there and the expense of food, water, etc etc . You send several robots, and make them to where they are multi-tooled an can repair each other.
Make them ultra-modular and adaptive, make it to where they can swap battery packs in each other as well.
Have redundant battery packs so that while swapping one, they can still run on the other.
The robots could be controlled from earth, and could assemble a space station, or moon base like china plans to build.
Send up whatever materials they need via the rail gun , and fire it once a day.
Being able to put payload in space every day would get a tremendous amount of payload up in a short amount of time.
If you could get multiple launches a day you could get alot up there in a short amount of time.
The "only" benefits of this system would be cheap, fast, and unmanned to reduce loss of life.
The US has plans for one currently to be built on the side of a mountain , but it is on hold due to budget as far as I know.
My twist on the whole scenario is the high altitude balloon portion, and the recoil system for the rail gun.
They already plan on ground launches, I just wanted to find a way to avoid the incredible friction of the atmosphere.
I'd contact those ppl at NASA for further information, my idea is little more than an idea like my idea for massive tidal power in the bay of fundy that would have zero environmental impact.
At least the phillipines has decided to try a similar system.
Well I am zonked , time to get some zzz's and get up tomorrow and do it again.
China is growing much faster than 4% and they are the fastest growing country in the world economically.
The Three gorges damn is hoped to provide alot of the power for that growth, but even it will not be enough, and they will need to find more power . China has the best chance at this time to over take the US if it can get its ppl to believe in it.
The way SARS went down , ppl started to seriously question it. China just needs to focus on capitalism which is kinda funny if you think about it . (smile)
They have the largest work force, and they have ALOT of resources too , they just need to educate and modernize. As far as Europe goes, we need to pull all of our bases out the countries that have given us grief . Germany and France foremost.
We can do better, and to be honest it is already in the works with a couple of eastern bloc countries . There has been bad blood with germans since WW2 , who would have thought ????
The funny part is the countries that were stomped by germany and saved by us and the brits and the russians are now best friends with germany . Go figure ????? Well no accounting for common sense.
The US has huge flaws, and we have corporate corruption beyond the Wazoo , and it bleeds into the government likewise.
Europe would not want what Afghanistan experienced and definitely not from a Military that could be made to be 10 times the size of the one that rolled thru Iraq.
Like the other side said, nukes are out of the question, the US has too many subs right off the shore of Europe with MERV warheads. Even if Europe won the war, you'd be forced to live underground for years, and all animal life on our continents would be annihilated , it would be hellish at best.
The rad. poisoning of the water table would make living at all quite a challenge for those wanting to try to live thru the nuclear holocaust.
All of this is really blather, and europe was on our side in Afghanistan . Only when we attacked So-damn Insane did they waffle immensely.
Alot of this was due to a constant source of revenue from Iraq, and that would end now as there was most likely illict trades being made outside the scope of the embargo.
The immense amount of oil that was going to the black market via syria comes to mind in particular , we have solid evidence of it. The majority of germans did not like us prior to Iraq, so I say we give them what they want and get out of their country immediately.
We have been offered very good bases in other countries nearby. France, not sure we have anything there, if we do , let's get it out of there ASAP.
The rest of europe we will play it by ear, and see how it goes. Meanwhile US countries abroad need to be held accountable for their terrible business practices like UnoCal's slave labor in Burma right now.
Like DuPont and Union Carbide's chemical spill in Bhopal. These things need to be sent before a world commitee.
Europe has turned to Socialism, a few have not, but by and large most have so far . One of the S's in USSR stood for Socialist...
EU, China, and Russia have ZERO terrorists aimed at us, that is the middle east religious zealots.
Hell even China recently admitted the North korean leader was off his rocker when he said he could sell nukes to whoever he wanted too.
Putin and Bush agreed they have bigger issues than Iraq, and that the cooperation between the US and Russia will be upheld. I seriously doubt you will find me wanting to move to either one of them in my lifetime though . (big grin)
NASA needs to be forced to face competition from private space industries unless astronauts lives are at stake, and then it will require special consideration.
Apollo missions ??? The spirit of it was good , the cost was too high.
It is cheaper to send remote control robots , and safer. You educate someone for 25+ yrs to have them burn up on re-entry. I say that is a REAL waste, and what if they had a world changing idea that will now never be realized.
We need an off Earth launch system, and I think the moon is best place to build it and here is why. rail gun up the cargo that can be sent up that way.
It is cheaper to build a underground moon base than a space station, and it can be dug by mining equipment and run by robots.
It will not get beat up like the space station did, and it could very well last indefinitely if built right.
Our biosphere project here failed on earth, so run as much as you can with robots for as long as you can. Once it is semi-Teraformed in there with breathable air, then send some humans up . Making a micro-eco-system is going to be a tall order.
The moons gravity will give them 1/9th the gravity to deal with, and no atmosphere for wind shear or resistance.
The near constant sunlilght on the light side of the moon would provide great solar power, and with no atmosphere more that you could ever get here on earth.
We build a large space ship, and go to mars, and from orbit control robots to repeat what we did on the moon.
The chinese already plan to mine the moon, I say we do it before they do it , and make the ship and go to mars. setting up the moon base robotically could allow you to spend alot of money elsewhere, like the ship to go to mars.
The nationalism is overboard and it is doing real harm.
The US has done alot of good, and we have done alot of bad.
Then again so have most other countries.
France was first into vietnam, not us.
They call it french guyana why ????
The brits used to brag the sun never sets on the british empire, well it did I am afraid.
The chinese hate anyone who speaks english now because of 150 years of Hong Kong being held by the brits.
So the US is lumped in with them even though we helped the chinese in WW2.
Hopefully The world can get past the Anti-US rhetoric, and hopefully we can get past the Anti-(rest of the world) rhetoric.
We need to keep the corporate greed in check and call them out when they pull stunts like UnoCal is doing in Burma right now with slave labor.
The Bhopal disaster needs to be cleaned up by the US companies that perpetuated it.
The list goes on and on and on.
The government is protecting these Amoral cash cows too, just like they have in the past.
So the world gets this perception of us from corporate representation and its Amoral greed and pollution.
I was in the US military, I do care about the country, but it has been essentially sold out to big business and special interest that has big bucks.
The H1-b bill was paid for to the tune of $22 million, and Professor norman matloff of UC @ Davis detailed the massive corruption on that one AFTER the DOT BOMB BUST hit, They voted to dbl the Visas coming into the country after the DOT BOMB BUST had hit.
Hard to believe , but then again it is not.
I love my country, but fear my government, I am neither republican or democrat, and I think the system has been bought off.
No idea what it is going to take to fix it, and I am pretty sure it will be resisted if anyone tries to implement it.
I still think it can be done, and a 2nd gun firing down with just a hydrogen blast could counteract alot of the rail gun recoil force if not all of it.
Ex. the guns fire at the same time, one up , one down.
NASA already used high altitude ballons to carry a 3/4 ton payload to 161,000 feet.
Hot air balloons are not gonna work for this no way.
I am talking about high altitude balloons using gases.
Invariably it would require ALOT of ballons due to the weight of the platform and especially the rail gun.
The cold of that altitude, about -100 F may let us use super conductors which would require much less power, and much less weight.
So we might get that as side benefit.
In the mass and velocity segment on me pushing off the 2,000 lb rock I still say I move ALOT further than the 2,000 lb rock from the point of origin in the same amount of time.
All in all your formulas and math are good, and I guess I did not not make all of my points fully clear for you as to the balloons already being worked by NASA at that altitude.
You know your physics better than I do , but I am going off projects that are already working.
Just the rail gun recoil posed a serious concern for me until I thought of a hydrogen blast to compensate.
It would have to be one helluva a blast too , lol.
Perhaps several in a concentric reinforced ring around the the rail guns vertical axis.
Be something to see too , lol.
A super conducting monstrosity hovering in the sky , and multiple explosions of fire shoot out its backside as lighting crawls up it and glowing projectile streaks out at multi-mach speeds.
Well it is all science fiction at this point, the nanotubes elevator too for that matter , but all of it is possible, but none of it is easy.
Well, balloons are pretty cheap, and they work now. The carbon nanotube idea is great, but it is possibly a few decades away from actually working as the other reply to your post pointed out.
NASA recently set a new altitude record lugging 3/4 ton payload to 161,000 feet with one balloon.
A platform of several could carry ALOT more weight.
As they had to rupture the balloon to get it to come down think how long it might stay up if they did not.
Redundant balloons and gas cylinders could make for a cheap permanent launch platform 32 miles from the surface of the earth.
A railgun with a slow one day charge time could send up 365 packages a year under perfect conditions. Weather would not impede launches.
With 99% of the earth's atmosphere not there, low friction, and greater speeds , and less gravity I think some great results could be achieved.
Firing the rail gun once a day would put cargo in space at the same spot day after day, and hydrogen fuel cells could build the charge over the period of a day in a bank of capacitors.
My many other posts on this go over other aspects on how to deal with recoil , etc etc.
ALOT of nay sayers out there...and I am not saying it would not be difficult , I just find it hilarous that ppl call it down because it is not "sexy tech" like the carbon nanotubes. Old school caveman tech is often shunned as "low tech" , but the fact is it works , and has worked for a long time.
Just because it is boring does not mean it is bad , lol. The www.21stcenturyairships.com ballons could bring up more gas cylinders and payload to the platform and it is all remote control too.
For me it is not about competing with other technologies, it is about saving lives of ppl like the recent shuttle disaster.
If they can fly a lighter safer aircraft up similar to some being proposed by private industry , then it will save lives and money.
Let an unmanned rail gun hurl most cargo into orbit. We can do this now, and NASA is already using balloons to take heavy payloads to the edge of space.
They are already geared up for portions of this project, and by all reckoning it will cost ALOT less than 40 billion. ALOT of universities have small scale rail guns working now, and the tech is over 2 decades old.
I posted another post that came up with the idea of hydrogen thrusters to compensate, and or a pneumatic or hydraulic slide recoil compensation system similar to what the paladin cannon itself uses.
I am no engineer to be sure, but it can be done, things alot more difficult have been achieved to be sure.
Also if you are scientifically astute as you say you realize that mass always matters.
Ex.: in space me at 200 lbs. pushing off a rocks weighing 2,000 lbs. I move roughly ten times faster away from point of origin as the rock moves away from point of origin.
E=MC(squared) does apply to this situation as it applies to all things so far...
a 100 ton platform shooting a half ton projectile is going to have 200 times the mass, and the majority of the movement ie. 99.5% will be in the projectile.
But like I said I am not an engineer, just a Ex-MislTech.
I think it has a FAIR amount to do with relativity, then again ALL things do.
Outside this is the drag of the platform during recoil.
Once again I will relate the size of the balloons to a cloud city to hold this monster up at that high of an altitude , but it will make for weather free launch system for just cargo.
The one day charge time will give it plenty of time to charge the bank of VERY lightweight capacitors.
Firing once a day also has the desired effect of dropping the cargo in the same place in orbit.
Due to the EXTREME cold -100 F at thoose altitudes you get to use super conductors too, another added fringe benefit of the extreme cold.
Granted the cold is going to make other aspects difficult too, but then again we have overcome greater thins in many programs.
Yes, it is lacking on the theory side , your right.
Yes, you are correct, none of the articles are about balloon launches.
The ballon raised platform is my own idea.
But a short burst recoil is not going to move a huge multi-ton platform that much and you have to consider time constants in equations as well.
Also the platform is going to have drag against the recoil.
The short time constant, aka firing time, and the drag of the platform , ie. converting the recoil into acceleration of the huge platform has to be figured as well.
Like firing a machine gun, the last round fired kicks the hardest , and recoil absorbers have been made.
In army boot camp that I have not attended they fire the m16 off sensitive body parts to demonstrate this.
Firing it once a day you can charge a bank of capacitors up there on the platform.
You run a small engine off hydrogen similar to what is in the balloons.
www.21stcenturyairships.com already is planning to use their high altitude balloons for telecom platforms at 70,000 feet.
a 30 mile electrical cable, hahahaha
Has anyone told you that you have no vision ????
When I said ALOT and put it in all CAPS I meant ALOT...
It is going to take ALOT of balloon lift, but it still better than what happened to the shuttle a few months ago.
The cost of the shuttle missions from the bottom up compared to this is STAGGERING.
This could be unmanned, and could be picked up by robotic craft in space , remote controlled from the earth.
The 21st century airships are already planned to be unmanned and remote control flown to put stratellites all over north america to provide cheap net access and cellular access that does not have the blind spots that towers do.
It is oh so easy to nay say everything, and so many ppl are out there doing it.
Devil's Advocate must be the most sought after job in the world, after all it is taught in college not to dream , but to work hardest to disprove any idea first.
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bad experience, guess the ppl I know got lucky
They prolly did not download massive amounts
As for starband and CRC errors , you may have just
have got some bad gear from them
Satellite is DEFINITELY not a first choice, but
for those that have none otherwise it is about all
the can do other than start a Wi-Fi Co-op.
Can't say I will be making too many visits to your
handle attached URL there again , lol
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Talk to everyone in your neghborhood, ask them if .
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You can use point to multi-point, and can use Mesh
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Mesh AP www.locustworld.com
Find a high elev. landmark, and use that as a Wi-Fi
transmission point
The Co-op can be a non/not-for-profit and you can
save money on some taxes, and expenses
The cost per user goes down the more users you get
I am setting up one of these in a rural area soon
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Given time of course ;)
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Peace,
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Well, the point is that the fiber can carry DWDM .
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compressed Sonet, ATM or another type
If the carriers will shell out for DWDM gear
for local CO's though
The Sonet rings around DC used to be oc-192's
and have since been upped to oc-768's
OC-192 roughly 10 Gbps
OC-768 roughly 40 Gbps
A single strand of fiber can carry ALOT more data
than most carriers are willing to buy gear to
push it
All the long haul single mode uses DWDM these days,
unless they are just too tight to shell out for it
This high end service, just like VDSL will be sold
for a VERY high cost, and not many ppl will be willing
to pay for it
VDSL has been here in the states for quite awhile, and
only businesses are running it to my knowledge
They are just rolling this out in phases , making
money in multiple dips instead of shooting straight
at FTTC ( fiber to the curb )
Fiber to the Curb is still too high to deploy right now
for most cities, though some have done it anyways in the US
Fiber is the ultimate solution, zero latency optical routing
to each metro, then open the packets to read headers and
route and switch it to its local destination
Cisco has been trying to sell this idea for some time
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Fiber to the neighborhood highpoint , then .
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2x mode 802.11g or 802.16 pushing around 22 Mbps
They say it is 55 Mbps, but that is not the actual throughput
Water towers in the rural US already host celluar array
panels for this reason, a similar arrangement can be
made for high bandwidth Wi-Fi
Proxim 802.11a in 2x mode toutes 108 Mbps, but gets
NO WHERE near it
Fiber to the home costs a huge amount to make it happen
The splicing, termination
are the killer costs
The fibre itself in bulk is not "that" bad, and the connectors
in bulk for termination if plastic is used is not that bad
Some US cities have rolled out fibre to the curb ( FTTC ).
Most have not and will not do to the cost
Perhaps a Co-op could be started to run Fiber to the curb,
but it would take skilled ppl, and the demand to do it
There is alot of disallusionment with tech these days
ppl have turned there back on the internet dream
I'd personally still love to see it happen
Well enough rambling
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Setup a 802.11g neighborhood Co-op .
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Have several ppl use Mesh AP's www.locustworld.com
All of you use different providers as allowed
If one provider goes down, the others will be your
route to the net . You'll see slow down but never
go down, and when they are all working , you can
get combined bandwidth
As long as you are all not leeching at the same
time and do not duplicate downloads, ie. large filez
You will get a better bandwidth experience
I am setting up on of these in a rural town
The scary part can be getting to know all the
ppl around you , lol
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
The usual reason it slows down is because their local data .
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line to your local CO is over sold
They hook up more ppl than they should to the line to
maximize their profits, it is the same thing AOL did
back in the mid 90's just at a DSL scale vs. dial up
The whole shared bandwidth argument touted by DSL providers
against the cable modem ppl , is just a viable against
the DSL providers
If you abuse the network and over sell it, it is going to
slow down for ppl
You might try another DSL modem, NIC, and PC on the connection,
but if they are the same slower speed then your problem
most likely lies with them over selling the lines
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
www.starband.com
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Little pricey, but it is bi-directional satellite access
Latency sucks if you try to do online games or streaming
anything , but it is good for downloading , and hits around
500Kbps optimally
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Sun makes damn good hardware, damn reliable .
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Some of their newer cheaper stuff does not hold up to this
For the Telecom space they are the System of choice , but
ppl have started running other OS's on the Sun hardware
namely Linux
Sun needs to work to minimize its costs, work WITH Linux,
and become a powerhouse WITH opensource
If it joins forces with Open Source FULLY, it will win the
war that was started years ago against M$
Sun's bread and butter has been server space, forking
from Solaris is going to be a near impossible choice
for them to embrace
The amount of time and money they have put into they cannot
see letting go of it, but if they cling to it and do not
have a parallel thread for the lower ROI of Linux they
are going to lose simply by attrition
Telecom and a few others will be their only long term
die hard hold outs, and they will reduce over time
Adapt or die, that is what this business is about
IBM adapted, even M$ adapted and used some Unix/Linux code
Opensource can no longer be ignored, Sun must see that
and they must join with opensource or just like M$ they
too in time will fall or just be a high end hardware vendor
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Maybe he finds it hard to fit in well with corporate .
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america, maybe he has a hard time kissing butt
Maybe "the game" of the real world and the ppl that
cheat you, and cheat everything around them seems
like there is less of a chance to succeed
Maybe those that watch the TV for countless hours
waste as much time as him
Maybe those that play sports, watch sports, attend sports,
go to concerts are wasting their time ???
After all they only have a "feeling" to show for it
afterwards , and nothing substantial
Escapism from a world we feel we are or have lost control
over, and a meager lack luster existence that seems at
times almost predetermined drives us to Escapism
Ppl that have jobs because they are the neice, cousin, nephew
of someone higher up and are truly inept
Trying to find jobs and finding out they are only
taking apps from Visa workers
The reality becomes a weight to bear, and going home and
studying for hours each day for the greater good of
the corporate yoke just becomes less and less appealing
as more and more often the corporates treat their workers
like handi-wipes
It tends to make ppl look for success elsewhere
Enron, Global Crossing, Broadband Office, Cisco,
Nortel, Lucent and many others all lay off thousands of ppl,
and some of them good ppl , and some worthless ones
keep their jobs
To those in the middle of it, it makes no sense
So they look elsewhere when they feel the deck is stacked
Be it a TV, sports, Mall ratting, or studying hard to
be a better corporate disposable multi-tool
What you do with your time, to take it off your present state
is up to you, and for those that question it so vehemently
perhaps you should look to your own inner peace
How much time do we "waste" arguing topics here on slashdot
just to try to impress our point on others for self gratification
to show others that we may be right ?
Cest la Vie
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Yes, it is not specifically the combination of .
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the spices it appears to just be Tumeric in the curry
Curry powder made of many things has Tumeric in it
Nature made Tumeric, it also made you , but I will
forgive it for that last part ( smile )
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Yeah , it is antenna polarization .
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Antennas have different gain characteristics at different
angles , the 2 charts provided for most antennas shows this info
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
All the sme , thanks for the heads up .
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It would be a awesome thing to see too, a super cheap
high altitude cargo fligging rail gun to get the parts
for a space station or moon base
Like you said , it is going to take some TRULY brilliant
folks to make it happen, I am just a dreamer, but I am
sure it can be done by the right ppl
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Alot of scientists realize that curry eating ppl of india .
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have little to no ALZ , and then did research on it
Here is the results , nature is amazing
http://healingwellalzheimers.subportal.com/heal
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
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This would allow much lighter craft to take the astronauts to
space, while the rail gun kicks up "most" types of durable cargo
Delicates would have to be taken up the old fashion way
The launch cost is unknown for this system, no one has even done
a cost study, no one has even modelled a prototype via a computer
As for platform delicacy, the recoil could be avoided by a
hydrogen blast in the reverse direction the rail gun fires
Counteracting the extreme recoil force
This system is not meant for sending large pieces up, it is meant
for sending raw materials up , and then to have remote control
robots assemble them if needed
This about putting more material up in less time, for far less than conventional methods
Instead of sustaining man up there and the expense of food, water, etc etc . You send several robots, and make them to where they
are multi-tooled an can repair each other
Make them ultra-modular and adaptive, make it to where they
can swap battery packs in each other as well
Have redundant battery packs so that while swapping one,
they can still run on the other
The robots could be controlled from earth, and could assemble
a space station, or moon base like china plans to build
Send up whatever materials they need via the rail gun , and fire it once a day
Being able to put payload in space every day would get a tremendous
amount of payload up in a short amount of time
If you could get multiple launches a day you could get alot
up there in a short amount of time
The "only" benefits of this system would be cheap, fast,
and unmanned to reduce loss of life
The US has plans for one currently to be built on the side of
a mountain , but it is on hold due to budget as far as I know
Here is ALOT of info on the subject
http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/MatrioshkaBrai
My twist on the whole scenario is the high altitude balloon
portion, and the recoil system for the rail gun
They already plan on ground launches, I just wanted to find
a way to avoid the incredible friction of the atmosphere
I'd contact those ppl at NASA for further information,
my idea is little more than an idea like my idea for
massive tidal power in the bay of fundy that would have
zero environmental impact
At least the phillipines has decided to try a similar system
Well I am zonked , time to get some zzz's and get up tomorrow
and do it again
Take it EZ,
Ex-MislTech
China is growing much faster than 4% and they are the fastest .
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growing country in the world economically
The Three gorges damn is hoped to provide alot of the power
for that growth, but even it will not be enough, and they will
need to find more power . China has the best chance at this time
to over take the US if it can get its ppl to believe in it
The way SARS went down , ppl started to seriously question it
China just needs to focus on capitalism which is kinda funny if
you think about it . (smile)
They have the largest work force, and they have ALOT of
resources too , they just need to educate and modernize
As far as Europe goes, we need to pull all of our bases out
the countries that have given us grief . Germany and France foremost
We can do better, and to be honest it is already in the works
with a couple of eastern bloc countries . There has been bad
blood with germans since WW2 , who would have thought ????
The funny part is the countries that were stomped by germany
and saved by us and the brits and the russians are now best
friends with germany . Go figure ????? Well no accounting for common sense
The US has huge flaws, and we have corporate corruption
beyond the Wazoo , and it bleeds into the government likewise
Europe would not want what Afghanistan experienced and definitely
not from a Military that could be made to be 10 times the size of
the one that rolled thru Iraq
Like the other side said, nukes are out of the question, the US
has too many subs right off the shore of Europe with MERV warheads
Even if Europe won the war, you'd be forced to live underground
for years, and all animal life on our continents would be
annihilated , it would be hellish at best
The rad. poisoning of the water table would make living at all
quite a challenge for those wanting to try to live thru
the nuclear holocaust
All of this is really blather, and europe was on our side
in Afghanistan . Only when we attacked So-damn Insane
did they waffle immensely
Alot of this was due to a constant source of revenue from Iraq,
and that would end now as there was most likely illict trades
being made outside the scope of the embargo
The immense amount of oil that was going to the black market via
syria comes to mind in particular , we have solid evidence of it
The majority of germans did not like us prior to Iraq, so
I say we give them what they want and get out of their country
immediately
We have been offered very good bases in other countries nearby
France, not sure we have anything there, if we do , let's
get it out of there ASAP
The rest of europe we will play it by ear, and see how it goes
Meanwhile US countries abroad need to be held accountable for their
terrible business practices like UnoCal's slave labor in Burma right now
Like DuPont and Union Carbide's chemical spill in Bhopal
These things need to be sent before a world commitee
Well , again , enough rambling
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most have so far . One of the S's in USSR stood for Socialist
EU, China, and Russia have ZERO terrorists aimed at us
that is the middle east religious zealots
Hell even China recently admitted the North korean leader
was off his rocker when he said he could sell nukes to whoever
he wanted too
Putin and Bush agreed they have bigger issues than Iraq, and
that the cooperation between the US and Russia will be upheld
I seriously doubt you will find me wanting to move
to either one of them in my lifetime though . (big grin)
NASA needs to be forced to face competition from
private space industries unless astronauts lives are
at stake, and then it will require special consideration
Apollo missions ??? The spirit of it was good , the cost was too high
It is cheaper to send remote control robots , and safer
You educate someone for 25+ yrs to have them burn up on re-entry
I say that is a REAL waste, and what if they had a world
changing idea that will now never be realized
We need an off Earth launch system, and I think the moon is
best place to build it and here is why
rail gun up the cargo that can be sent up that way
It is cheaper to build a underground moon base than a space
station, and it can be dug by mining equipment and run by robots
It will not get beat up like the space station did, and it could
very well last indefinitely if built right
Our biosphere project here failed on earth, so run as much as
you can with robots for as long as you can
Once it is semi-Teraformed in there with breathable air
then send some humans up . Making a micro-eco-system
is going to be a tall order
The moons gravity will give them 1/9th the gravity to deal with
and no atmosphere for wind shear or resistance
The near constant sunlilght on the light side of the moon
would provide great solar power, and with no atmosphere more
that you could ever get here on earth
We build a large space ship, and go to mars, and from orbit
control robots to repeat what we did on the moon
The chinese already plan to mine the moon, I say we do it before
they do it , and make the ship and go to mars
setting up the moon base robotically could allow you to spend
alot of money elsewhere, like the ship to go to mars
Well it is all science fiction, but it is doable
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
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The nationalism is overboard and it is doing real harm
The US has done alot of good, and we have done alot of bad
Then again so have most other countries
France was first into vietnam, not us
They call it french guyana why ????
The brits used to brag the sun never sets on the british empire,
well it did I am afraid
The chinese hate anyone who speaks english now because of
150 years of Hong Kong being held by the brits
So the US is lumped in with them even though we helped
the chinese in WW2
Hopefully The world can get past the Anti-US rhetoric, and
hopefully we can get past the Anti-(rest of the world) rhetoric
We need to keep the corporate greed in check and call them
out when they pull stunts like UnoCal is doing in Burma
right now with slave labor
The Bhopal disaster needs to be cleaned up by the US companies
that perpetuated it
The list goes on and on and on
The government is protecting these Amoral cash cows too
just like they have in the past
So the world gets this perception of us from corporate
representation and its Amoral greed and pollution
I was in the US military, I do care about the country
but it has been essentially sold out to big business
and special interest that has big bucks
The H1-b bill was paid for to the tune of $22 million
and Professor norman matloff of UC @ Davis detailed
the massive corruption on that one AFTER the DOT BOMB BUST hit,
They voted to dbl the Visas coming into the country after
the DOT BOMB BUST had hit
Hard to believe , but then again it is not
I love my country, but fear my government, I am neither
republican or democrat, and I think the system has been
bought off
No idea what it is going to take to fix it, and I am pretty
sure it will be resisted if anyone tries to implement it
Well I am rambling yet again
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
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I still think it can be done, and a 2nd gun firing down
with just a hydrogen blast could counteract alot of
the rail gun recoil force if not all of it
Ex. the guns fire at the same time, one up , one down
NASA already used high altitude ballons to carry a 3/4 ton
payload to 161,000 feet
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/08/02
Hot air balloons are not gonna work for this no way
I am talking about high altitude balloons using gases
Invariably it would require ALOT of ballons due to the
weight of the platform and especially the rail gun
The cold of that altitude, about -100 F may let us
use super conductors which would require much less
power, and much less weight
So we might get that as side benefit
In the mass and velocity segment on me pushing off the 2,000 lb
rock I still say I move ALOT further than the 2,000 lb rock
from the point of origin in the same amount of time
All in all your formulas and math are good, and I guess I did
not not make all of my points fully clear for you as to the
balloons already being worked by NASA at that altitude
You know your physics better than I do , but I am going off
projects that are already working
Just the rail gun recoil posed a serious concern for me until
I thought of a hydrogen blast to compensate
It would have to be one helluva a blast too , lol
Perhaps several in a concentric reinforced ring around the
the rail guns vertical axis
Be something to see too , lol
A super conducting monstrosity hovering in the sky , and multiple
explosions of fire shoot out its backside as lighting crawls
up it and glowing projectile streaks out at multi-mach speeds
Well it is all science fiction at this point, the nanotubes
elevator too for that matter , but all of it is possible
but none of it is easy
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
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The carbon nanotube idea is great, but it is possibly a few
decades away from actually working as the other reply to your
post pointed out
NASA recently set a new altitude record lugging 3/4 ton
payload to 161,000 feet with one balloon
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/08/02
A platform of several could carry ALOT more weight
As they had to rupture the balloon to get it to come
down think how long it might stay up if they did not
Redundant balloons and gas cylinders could make for a
cheap permanent launch platform 32 miles from the
surface of the earth
A railgun with a slow one day charge time could send up
365 packages a year under perfect conditions
Weather would not impede launches
With 99% of the earth's atmosphere not there, low friction,
and greater speeds , and less gravity I think some great
results could be achieved
Firing the rail gun once a day would put cargo in space at
the same spot day after day, and hydrogen fuel cells could
build the charge over the period of a day in a bank of capacitors
My many other posts on this go over other aspects on how
to deal with recoil , etc etc
ALOT of nay sayers out there...and I am not saying it would
not be difficult , I just find it hilarous that ppl call it down
because it is not "sexy tech" like the carbon nanotubes
Old school caveman tech is often shunned as "low tech" , but
the fact is it works , and has worked for a long time
Just because it is boring does not mean it is bad , lol
The www.21stcenturyairships.com ballons could bring up more
gas cylinders and payload to the platform and it is all remote
control too
For me it is not about competing with other technologies
it is about saving lives of ppl like the recent shuttle
disaster
If they can fly a lighter safer aircraft up similar to some being
proposed by private industry , then it will save lives and money
Let an unmanned rail gun hurl most cargo into orbit
We can do this now, and NASA is already using balloons to
take heavy payloads to the edge of space
They are already geared up for portions of this project,
and by all reckoning it will cost ALOT less than 40 billion
ALOT of universities have small scale rail guns working now
and the tech is over 2 decades old
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
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I posted another post that came up with the idea of
hydrogen thrusters to compensate, and or a pneumatic
or hydraulic slide recoil compensation system similar
to what the paladin cannon itself uses
I am no engineer to be sure, but it can be done,
things alot more difficult have been achieved to be sure
Also if you are scientifically astute as you say you realize
that mass always matters
Ex.: in space me at 200 lbs. pushing off a rocks weighing
2,000 lbs. I move roughly ten times faster away from
point of origin as the rock moves away from point of
origin
E=MC(squared) does apply to this situation as it applies
to all things so far
a 100 ton platform shooting a half ton projectile is going to
have 200 times the mass, and the majority of the movement ie.
99.5% will be in the projectile
But like I said I am not an engineer, just a Ex-MislTech
Well signing off for the day
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
A equal payload could be fired down in the direction the earth .
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but it is captured in a hydraulic or pneumatic piston
The 2 guns firing simultaneous to each other cancel
each others recoil , piggy backing one on the other
Hydrogen based thrusters for a short fire burn would
or could also achieve this effect
The rail gun weapons planned for SDI were of a similar mind
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
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You ask what this has to do with this ???
Maybe your education was lacking on theory ???
Rail Gun "energy" ??? Recoil "energy" ???
Platform "mass" ??? projectile "mass"
Time as the Constant
I think it has a FAIR amount to do with relativity,
then again ALL things do
Outside this is the drag of the platform during recoil
Once again I will relate the size of the balloons
to a cloud city to hold this monster up at that
high of an altitude , but it will make for weather
free launch system for just cargo
The one day charge time will give it plenty of time
to charge the bank of VERY lightweight capacitors
Firing once a day also has the desired effect of
dropping the cargo in the same place in orbit
Due to the EXTREME cold -100 F at thoose altitudes
you get to use super conductors too, another added
fringe benefit of the extreme cold
Granted the cold is going to make other aspects
difficult too, but then again we have overcome
greater thins in many programs
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
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Yes, you are correct, none of the articles are
about balloon launches
The ballon raised platform is my own idea
But a short burst recoil is not going to move a
huge multi-ton platform that much and you have to
consider time constants in equations as well
Also the platform is going to have drag against
the recoil
The short time constant, aka firing time, and
the drag of the platform , ie. converting
the recoil into acceleration of the huge platform
has to be figured as well
Like firing a machine gun, the last round fired
kicks the hardest , and recoil absorbers have been
made
In army boot camp that I have not attended they
fire the m16 off sensitive body parts to demonstrate this
Recoil can be dealt with
Larger issues are dealt with daily
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Firing it once a day you can charge a bank of capacitors .
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up there on the platform
You run a small engine off hydrogen similar to what is
in the balloons
www.21stcenturyairships.com already is planning to use
their high altitude balloons for telecom platforms at
70,000 feet
a 30 mile electrical cable, hahahaha
Has anyone told you that you have no vision ????
When I said ALOT and put it in all CAPS I meant ALOT
It is going to take ALOT of balloon lift, but
it still better than what happened to the shuttle
a few months ago
The cost of the shuttle missions from the bottom
up compared to this is STAGGERING
This could be unmanned, and could be picked up by
robotic craft in space , remote controlled from
the earth
The 21st century airships are already planned to be
unmanned and remote control flown to put stratellites
all over north america to provide cheap net access
and cellular access that does not have the blind spots
that towers do
It is oh so easy to nay say everything, and so many ppl
are out there doing it
Devil's Advocate must be the most sought after job in the
world, after all it is taught in college not to dream , but
to work hardest to disprove any idea first
Peace,
Ex-MislTech