Quote from the Business Week article, linked above: "It isn't clear whether or not AT&T CEO David Dorman, who will earn about $20 million from the sale of AT&T, will stick around."
So, a manager who presided over the failure of his company made $30 million (not $20 million) from selling the company to other managers who are reputed to be just as inept.
The Wikipedia article says, "Dorman's management finesse can be ascertained by tracking the value of AT&T stock during his tenure.". Dorman became president in 2000, Wikipedia says. The stock performance tanked beginning just before that, and continued down until the AT&T name was sold to SBC.
It looks from the stock quotes that AT&T is doing well now, but apparently that is only because the AT&T name was pasted on a new company. (It's like unscrewing the radiator cap and driving a different car underneath. That's not real car repair.)
AT&T is not AT&T now, because the name was sold to an abusive west coast telephone company named SBC.
My understanding is that everything else of value in the original AT&T was sold piece-by-piece, and SBC bought mostly just the name. My understanding is that the SBC trademark was worse than useless because the company is so abusive. So, the managers bought another name.
Apparently, for $16 Billion SBC got AT&T's VOIP customers, and the AT&T name.
AT&T's VOIP customers were Sheila and Gerald Funk, who have since moved to Elbonia. Wait... That last sentence my contain an error.
So, what we are seeing is SBC mismanagement under a new name. Soon just saying the name AT&T will cause people to become upset.
We need to wait for all those dinosaur top managers to retire.
Practically every business I know is managed by someone who started managing before the personal computer revolution. It surprises me, but in more than a decade they don't seem to have learned anything. They hit blindly without understanding what they are doing, or even caring what they are doing.
We are seeing in our culture HUGE disrespect for technically knowledgeable people. The wild imaginings of someone who knows nothing are considered better than the counsel of those who have learned how things work.
You said, "... I have never ever seen the behaviour you have described,
except..."
You said, "Sorry, but this is just pure anti-Windows BS."
A) You are not sorry.
B) Your statements are quite arrogant, since you are saying that if
you have never seen a problem, it doesn't exist.
C) Follow the links: Firefox development sometimes resembles playing. There are numerous
links, leading back to several years ago. I suppose you have never joined the
discussions of Firefox instability.
D) Basically, this seems to be the story. Winifred
Mitchell Baker, the CEO of Mozilla, is a socially uncomfortable lawyer who
became CEO when no one thought there was an opportunity. Now Mozilla
Foundation is making millions from designating Google as the default search
engine.
Winifred has insufficient control over those who work for her, because
she doesn't understand what they do. The Firefox CPU hogging and memory
gobbling bug would take some serious troubleshooting to find, and no one wants
to do the work, apparently.
The bug in Firefox is apparently caused by inadequate allocation of
resources. Apparently there is a bug in Windows, or more than one, that causes
the entire Microsoft Windows OS to become unstable when Firefox starts CPU
hogging.
In any case, the only way to get Windows back to a stable state after
killing Firefox is to re-start the computer.
The Firefox CPU hogging bug occurs only during heavy use of Firefox,
with many Windows and tabs open for several hours, such as happens when
someone in purchasing in a corporate environment is researching computer
parts. The problem is made worse if the computer is hibernated or put in
standby.
Yes, clearly Tuaturas are more advanced than humans. On the second page of the linked article it says that Tuaturas have methods of avoiding aggression. Humans, on the other hand, kill other humans over anything that will make money, like restricting the supply of oil to make more profit.
"Or you could say, just kill the process in Windows."
Yes, and after killing the Firefox CPU hogging process, the ENTIRE OS is unstable.
The founders of the K12Linux project were the kind of people who will always have work. They enjoyed reducing the workload as much as possible. A lot of the discussion of Windows comes from people who wouldn't have a job if Windows weren't so difficult to maintain.
Yes, congratulations. However, they are building on years of effort by the Kindergarten to 12th grade
Linux project, and other such projects. The K12Linux Project was
originally started for the Multnomah
County Education Service District, using hardware donated by Intel. (Intel
does some of its processor design in a big facility which is also in Portland,
Oregon, USA.)
Perhaps 8 years ago, one of the founders of the K12Linux project told me that
the total cost of maintenance of Linux was less than half that of Windows.
(He gave a figure much less than half, but I don't remember the actual figure.)
My experience with Windows is that it is sloppily coded, and lots of things
cause Windows to need maintenance. For example, the CPU hogging bug in
Firefox, which seems to be worse in Firefox version 2.0.0.4, sometimes causes
Windows XP Professional SP2 to become unstable and require re-starting the
computer. When Firefox hogs the CPU under Linux, it is only necessary to kill
Firefox. Linux remains stable.
If Microsoft paid schools $100 per copy to take Windows, the cost of
Windows would still be far higher than K12Linux.
The K12Linux Project home page gives links to other Linux-in-schools
projects, also.
A side benefit of Linux is that it is much more secure, partly because
of its design, and partly because students are less likely to know how to
tinker with it, I was told.
It is far easier to maintain a terminal server with
numerous simple terminals, than separate stand-alone computers, too, and Linux
is fast enough to be used that way.
I feel a little uncomfortable with what I said above, because I am
vastly understating the savings of using Linux rather than Windows. Microsoft
can't even make "Microsoft Genuine Advantage" work correctly; that is a
GENUINE disadvantage of Windows. (I am using the word
"genuine" in its honest sense, not in its abusive public relations spin sense.)
Another problem with a Windows system is hiring people who are willing
to work with products from a company such as Microsoft that is so abusive. It's tiring
to work with abusiveness.
Again, I still feel uncomfortable because I am understating
the case. My company has had considerable trouble with error messages
from Windows Update, for example. We've had about 8 different kinds of
problems, some of which have required hours to solve. Judging from the
many, many complaints on the newsgroup, there seem to be many other kinds of Windows Update
problems we haven't had.
People who work in IT sometimes like Microsoft because the
sloppy Microsoft products give them more work.
It's not a dupe. It's a backup, to assure reliability. Here's a backup of my comment to the earlier story:
The big loser is Gateway. Would you buy a
Gateway computer after reading the Slashdot article?
An appeal means that the case is no longer in small claims court. Both
parties can then hire a lawyer. An appeal means that Gateway exposes itself to more attention.
Foxes want to interoperate with penguins. Only to help the world, of course. And because foxes think penguins are cute. (Copyright Fox P.R. agency 2007)
"Microsoft Hires Director of Linux Interoperability"
translates as
"Fox wants to interoperate with henhouse". All in the name of efficiency, of course. For the fox.
In my opinion, there is a lot of misunderstanding about Microsoft. People get confused, and think Microsoft is a software company that is abusive. But maybe a better explanation is that Microsoft is an abuse company that uses software as its vehicle to deliver abuse.
REAL managers can make a profit without being adversarial. Managers who have difficulty thinking carefully must work for abusive companies.
Someone meets Zarf (Slashdot member number 5735) at a party, learns that Zarf is involved with computers, and says, "What computer manufacturer do you recommend?" Zarf says, "Above all, stay away from Gateway."
I agree. However, I feel uncomfortable with the fact that most people who try to reason about the destruction of the ideals and reputation of their country use normal logic, when the logic of mental illness is sometimes more powerful.
Once someone begins killing for money they find themselves unable to stop, and their killing becomes bolder and bolder.
If you love the U.S., you will help her in her time of need. My help is a summary of some of the most important points of Bush administration corruption: George W. Bush comedy and tragedy.
One way those who want corruption in government achieve their goals is finding ways to prevent intelligent people from being elected, and helping un-intelligent people be elected.
We are seeing now the effects of years of effort by the forces of corruption. The people who are supposed to be leading our country are ignorant and mentally weak, and don't even hire smart people.
This resolution says, "We in the senate are stupid, and we think you are even more stupid, because we think we can manipulate you to get votes."
(If you are a U.S. citizen and you don't like my summary of U.S.
government corruption, you must write your own. You can't say you love your
country if you abandon thinking clearly when your country is in trouble.)
The purpose of outsourcing is avoiding the rules and laws of government, and
achieving greater secrecy.
A secret government is a corrupt government.
The present intensification of secrecy began in the late 40's with
establishment of the idea that the government could secretly manipulate
governments and kill people to protect the profits of U.S. companies,
particularly oil companies.
With enough secrecy, a government becomes a dictatorship.
Both Cheney and Junior are alcoholics, with typical alcoholic personalities. (Even though
alcoholics may not be drinking, the personality persists.)
It amazes me how easily U.S. citizens have given up their freedoms and
the excellent principles on which the great country of the United States was founded. It
amazes me that U.S. citizens are willing to work a full month every year to
pay for the corruption, to pay for a few ignorant, conflicted people to have
their way.
Okay, I'll say it: Paul Vixie is a terrible writer
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Judging from that one article, Paul Vixie is a terrible writer. His thoughts
are very unorganized. And, like many people with little understanding of how
to write well, he is obviously not aware of the need to have an editor.
James Michener, the famous writer (South Pacific), was very intense
about having his writing edited before he would present it to readers. With
one of his books he said he and an editor read every word 5 times together.
This is NOT a comment about his achievements and contributions to the
internet we all know and love. It is only a comment about his ability to
express himself in writing.
The inability to communicate well limits achievments and
recognition for achievements.
As usual with open source projects, it is assumed that everyone has a considerable amount of knowledge already. They could have told people what Mythdora is and what MythTV is, for example.
This should not have been the first sentence on the first page: "The new and much improved MythDora 4.0 is finally ready. As you will see, things have improved greatly."
However, other than that it is looking excellent, for people who have a lot of background knowledge.
If a tall building can fall to powder and small pieces, in a symmetrical pile, I would never go into one. However, such a thing has never happened before or since, in the history of the world.
I saw some photos of the extremely heavy steel columns in the center of the WTC buildings. What caused them to get out of the way, so that the collapse could be symmetrical?
"My reasoning is that open source software suffers from poor presentation."
Definitely true. Part of the reason is that programmers often just like to program, not make things easier for the user. Writing a manual and making things easy can take 90% of the development time.
The biggest shared project of U.S. citizens and the U.S. government, by far,
is killing other people. Every U.S. citizen works an extra two months a year
so that he or she can contribute to the killing.
The least sophisticated way of relating to other people is killing
them. The blowback from that is obvious on any street in the United States.
People are unhappy because they have been killing other people. They react to
their unhappiness, increasingly, by eating too much. The U.S. is now the most
obese nation on earth, in the history of the world. The ugliness of what U.S.
citizens do is now apparent even just looking at their bodies.
The U.S. government has killed directly or indirectly about 11 million
people since the end of the second world war. Most of them were killed for
profit, but many of them were killed because there are people in government
who like to kill, especially because someone else pays. A lot of government
killing happens for the same reason that people like to play violent video
games: They don't know any better way to handle the anger they have because
they received bad parenting.
The U.S. government has become much more corrupt, and there is a
danger the U.S. will become a (hidden) dictatorship: George W. Bush comedy
and tragedy.
# No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns.
# WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just.6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" Jones asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors--and intact steel support columns--the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass.
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Very interesting video. Should be +5 Informative.
Quote from the Business Week article, linked above: "It isn't clear whether or not AT&T CEO David Dorman, who will earn about $20 million from the sale of AT&T, will stick around."
So, a manager who presided over the failure of his company made $30 million (not $20 million) from selling the company to other managers who are reputed to be just as inept.
The Wikipedia article says, "Dorman's management finesse can be ascertained by tracking the value of AT&T stock during his tenure.". Dorman became president in 2000, Wikipedia says. The stock performance tanked beginning just before that, and continued down until the AT&T name was sold to SBC.
It looks from the stock quotes that AT&T is doing well now, but apparently that is only because the AT&T name was pasted on a new company. (It's like unscrewing the radiator cap and driving a different car underneath. That's not real car repair.)
AT&T is not AT&T now, because the name was sold to an abusive west coast telephone company named SBC.
My understanding is that everything else of value in the original AT&T was sold piece-by-piece, and SBC bought mostly just the name. My understanding is that the SBC trademark was worse than useless because the company is so abusive. So, the managers bought another name.
Apparently, for $16 Billion SBC got AT&T's VOIP customers, and the AT&T name.
AT&T's VOIP customers were Sheila and Gerald Funk, who have since moved to Elbonia. Wait... That last sentence my contain an error.
So, what we are seeing is SBC mismanagement under a new name. Soon just saying the name AT&T will cause people to become upset.
We need to wait for all those dinosaur top managers to retire.
Practically every business I know is managed by someone who started managing before the personal computer revolution. It surprises me, but in more than a decade they don't seem to have learned anything. They hit blindly without understanding what they are doing, or even caring what they are doing.
We are seeing in our culture HUGE disrespect for technically knowledgeable people. The wild imaginings of someone who knows nothing are considered better than the counsel of those who have learned how things work.
I'm guessing, but I guess you are right. The LTSP project came first. I was confused.
My interest was in making sure the origins were mentioned.
You said, "... I have never ever seen the behaviour you have described, except..."
You said, "Sorry, but this is just pure anti-Windows BS."
A) You are not sorry.
B) Your statements are quite arrogant, since you are saying that if you have never seen a problem, it doesn't exist.
C) Follow the links: Firefox development sometimes resembles playing. There are numerous links, leading back to several years ago. I suppose you have never joined the discussions of Firefox instability.
D) Basically, this seems to be the story. Winifred Mitchell Baker, the CEO of Mozilla, is a socially uncomfortable lawyer who became CEO when no one thought there was an opportunity. Now Mozilla Foundation is making millions from designating Google as the default search engine.
Winifred has insufficient control over those who work for her, because she doesn't understand what they do. The Firefox CPU hogging and memory gobbling bug would take some serious troubleshooting to find, and no one wants to do the work, apparently.
The bug in Firefox is apparently caused by inadequate allocation of resources. Apparently there is a bug in Windows, or more than one, that causes the entire Microsoft Windows OS to become unstable when Firefox starts CPU hogging.
In any case, the only way to get Windows back to a stable state after killing Firefox is to re-start the computer.
The Firefox CPU hogging bug occurs only during heavy use of Firefox, with many Windows and tabs open for several hours, such as happens when someone in purchasing in a corporate environment is researching computer parts. The problem is made worse if the computer is hibernated or put in standby.
Yes, clearly Tuaturas are more advanced than humans. On the second page of the linked article it says that Tuaturas have methods of avoiding aggression. Humans, on the other hand, kill other humans over anything that will make money, like restricting the supply of oil to make more profit.
"Or you could say, just kill the process in Windows."
Yes, and after killing the Firefox CPU hogging process, the ENTIRE OS is unstable.
The founders of the K12Linux project were the kind of people who will always have work. They enjoyed reducing the workload as much as possible. A lot of the discussion of Windows comes from people who wouldn't have a job if Windows weren't so difficult to maintain.
Yes, congratulations. However, they are building on years of effort by the Kindergarten to 12th grade Linux project, and other such projects. The K12Linux Project was originally started for the Multnomah County Education Service District, using hardware donated by Intel. (Intel does some of its processor design in a big facility which is also in Portland, Oregon, USA.)
Perhaps 8 years ago, one of the founders of the K12Linux project told me that the total cost of maintenance of Linux was less than half that of Windows. (He gave a figure much less than half, but I don't remember the actual figure.)
My experience with Windows is that it is sloppily coded, and lots of things cause Windows to need maintenance. For example, the CPU hogging bug in Firefox, which seems to be worse in Firefox version 2.0.0.4, sometimes causes Windows XP Professional SP2 to become unstable and require re-starting the computer. When Firefox hogs the CPU under Linux, it is only necessary to kill Firefox. Linux remains stable.
If Microsoft paid schools $100 per copy to take Windows, the cost of Windows would still be far higher than K12Linux.
The K12Linux Project home page gives links to other Linux-in-schools projects, also.
A side benefit of Linux is that it is much more secure, partly because of its design, and partly because students are less likely to know how to tinker with it, I was told.
It is far easier to maintain a terminal server with numerous simple terminals, than separate stand-alone computers, too, and Linux is fast enough to be used that way.
I feel a little uncomfortable with what I said above, because I am vastly understating the savings of using Linux rather than Windows. Microsoft can't even make "Microsoft Genuine Advantage" work correctly; that is a GENUINE disadvantage of Windows. (I am using the word "genuine" in its honest sense, not in its abusive public relations spin sense.)
Another problem with a Windows system is hiring people who are willing to work with products from a company such as Microsoft that is so abusive. It's tiring to work with abusiveness.
Again, I still feel uncomfortable because I am understating the case. My company has had considerable trouble with error messages from Windows Update, for example. We've had about 8 different kinds of problems, some of which have required hours to solve. Judging from the many, many complaints on the newsgroup, there seem to be many other kinds of Windows Update problems we haven't had.
People who work in IT sometimes like Microsoft because the sloppy Microsoft products give them more work.
It's not a dupe. It's a backup, to assure reliability. Here's a backup of my comment to the earlier story:
The big loser is Gateway. Would you buy a Gateway computer after reading the Slashdot article?
An appeal means that the case is no longer in small claims court. Both parties can then hire a lawyer. An appeal means that Gateway exposes itself to more attention.
The company is apparently unable to manage itself: Jury finds former Gateway execs manipulated earnings.
Okay, maybe the story is not a backup. Maybe Zonk is zonked.
Correction. I should have said:
Foxes want to interoperate with penguins. Only to help the world, of course. And because foxes think penguins are cute. (Copyright Fox P.R. agency 2007)
Exactly.
"Microsoft Hires Director of Linux Interoperability"
translates as
"Fox wants to interoperate with henhouse". All in the name of efficiency, of course. For the fox.
In my opinion, there is a lot of misunderstanding about Microsoft. People get confused, and think Microsoft is a software company that is abusive. But maybe a better explanation is that Microsoft is an abuse company that uses software as its vehicle to deliver abuse.
REAL managers can make a profit without being adversarial. Managers who have difficulty thinking carefully must work for abusive companies.
Maybe it would happen like this:
Someone meets Zarf (Slashdot member number 5735) at a party, learns that Zarf is involved with computers, and says, "What computer manufacturer do you recommend?" Zarf says, "Above all, stay away from Gateway."
"This poor guy now faces daunting reality of having to litigate this on appeal against Gateway...By winning, he's lost."
The big loser is Gateway. Now, the company cannot win. Would you buy a Gateway computer after reading the Slashdot article? Not likely.
An appeal means that the case is no longer in small claims court. Both parties can then hire a lawyer.
An appeal means that Gateway exposes itself to more attention.
Gateway in the news: Jury finds former Gateway execs manipulated earnings.
I agree. However, I feel uncomfortable with the fact that most people who try to reason about the destruction of the ideals and reputation of their country use normal logic, when the logic of mental illness is sometimes more powerful.
Once someone begins killing for money they find themselves unable to stop, and their killing becomes bolder and bolder.
If you love the U.S., you will help her in her time of need. My help is a summary of some of the most important points of Bush administration corruption: George W. Bush comedy and tragedy.
One way those who want corruption in government achieve their goals is finding ways to prevent intelligent people from being elected, and helping un-intelligent people be elected.
We are seeing now the effects of years of effort by the forces of corruption. The people who are supposed to be leading our country are ignorant and mentally weak, and don't even hire smart people.
This resolution says, "We in the senate are stupid, and we think you are even more stupid, because we think we can manipulate you to get votes."
Putin wants to increase the threat of violence because it allows him to have more control.
Bush wants to increase the threat of violence because it allows him to have more control.
Bush's actions give Putin a chance to increase the threat of violence so he can have more control.
Then threatening actions by Putin give Bush a chance to increase the threat of violence so he can have more control.
Mental illness feeds on itself.
See the free 3-part BBC movie: The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear.
Threatening violence is only one of the formulas of manipulation. Here are others: The Bush administration found support for war through manipulation.
(If you are a U.S. citizen and you don't like my summary of U.S. government corruption, you must write your own. You can't say you love your country if you abandon thinking clearly when your country is in trouble.)
"... the [Saudi] royals are personal friends and business associates of the Bush family."
More than just personal friends, physically affectionate friends
The purpose of outsourcing is avoiding the rules and laws of government, and achieving greater secrecy.
A secret government is a corrupt government.
The present intensification of secrecy began in the late 40's with establishment of the idea that the government could secretly manipulate governments and kill people to protect the profits of U.S. companies, particularly oil companies.
With enough secrecy, a government becomes a dictatorship.
Both Cheney and Junior are alcoholics, with typical alcoholic personalities. (Even though alcoholics may not be drinking, the personality persists.)
Alcoholics always or almost always have anger problems. Angry people who are powerful enough may act out their anger by killing people. Alcoholics almost always want to keep things secret, because part of their personality disorder is that they don't face their conflicts. For more about the effect of alcoholism, see The behavior of Bush and Cheney is consistent with the behavior of alcoholics. Bush and Cheney arrest Records.
It amazes me how easily U.S. citizens have given up their freedoms and the excellent principles on which the great country of the United States was founded. It amazes me that U.S. citizens are willing to work a full month every year to pay for the corruption, to pay for a few ignorant, conflicted people to have their way.
Judging from that one article, Paul Vixie is a terrible writer. His thoughts are very unorganized. And, like many people with little understanding of how to write well, he is obviously not aware of the need to have an editor.
James Michener, the famous writer (South Pacific), was very intense about having his writing edited before he would present it to readers. With one of his books he said he and an editor read every word 5 times together.
This is NOT a comment about his achievements and contributions to the internet we all know and love. It is only a comment about his ability to express himself in writing.
The inability to communicate well limits achievments and recognition for achievements.
As usual with open source projects, it is assumed that everyone has a considerable amount of knowledge already. They could have told people what Mythdora is and what MythTV is, for example.
This should not have been the first sentence on the first page: "The new and much improved MythDora 4.0 is finally ready. As you will see, things have improved greatly."
However, other than that it is looking excellent, for people who have a lot of background knowledge.
I am not convinced.
If a tall building can fall to powder and small pieces, in a symmetrical pile, I would never go into one. However, such a thing has never happened before or since, in the history of the world.
I saw some photos of the extremely heavy steel columns in the center of the WTC buildings. What caused them to get out of the way, so that the collapse could be symmetrical?
"My reasoning is that open source software suffers from poor presentation."
Definitely true. Part of the reason is that programmers often just like to program, not make things easier for the user. Writing a manual and making things easy can take 90% of the development time.
The biggest shared project of U.S. citizens and the U.S. government, by far, is killing other people. Every U.S. citizen works an extra two months a year so that he or she can contribute to the killing.
The least sophisticated way of relating to other people is killing them. The blowback from that is obvious on any street in the United States. People are unhappy because they have been killing other people. They react to their unhappiness, increasingly, by eating too much. The U.S. is now the most obese nation on earth, in the history of the world. The ugliness of what U.S. citizens do is now apparent even just looking at their bodies.
I've tried to document some of the killing, but it is far, far too big a job for one person working without pay just for the love of his country: History surrounding the U.S. wars with Iraq: Four short stories .
The U.S. government has killed directly or indirectly about 11 million people since the end of the second world war. Most of them were killed for profit, but many of them were killed because there are people in government who like to kill, especially because someone else pays. A lot of government killing happens for the same reason that people like to play violent video games: They don't know any better way to handle the anger they have because they received bad parenting.
The U.S. government has become much more corrupt, and there is a danger the U.S. will become a (hidden) dictatorship: George W. Bush comedy and tragedy.
From the article:
.6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" Jones asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors--and intact steel support columns--the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass.
# No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns.
# WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just