I see too many limitations in peer to peer networking in anything but small groups. I have read some about freenet, and it seems like a good idea, but it isn't like napster: it really needs high speed always connected computers.
Yes, its a problem alright..;).
Every once in a while, some technology comes out that is so big it can change the law, such as the printing press, but the majority of technology does not have that big of an impact on our lives.
Again correct, it has to make a significant impact on a large number of individuals, as the printing press and the Web have done and as new types of P2P wil ldo in the future.
I still prefer the traditional client and server relationship which helps things be a little less chaotic, and easier to use.
Thats only because of the technological implementation, which is easier in a straight client-server relationship as there are different levels of complexity of design and deployment used at either end.
Well it does seem he may be doing that, however corporations are not all bad, the problem is that some people like BillG and others want to squeeze the last drop of money out as fast as possible, there are those of us who run companies that understand that the way to actually make more money in the end is to allow others to grow, its like an ecology, if you kill off everything you feed off you die, so its best to allow those you supply to grow at pace similar to your own, look at the growth of the Walkman and music cassette sales, if those selling Walkmans sold them at hugely inflated prices cassette music sales would not have taken off like it did which fed the sale of more Walkmans, all markets are an ecology, if you get it right you'll grow _with_ other corporations within your ecological niche.
The Fungi were originally from earth, but they might well have mutated considerably while in space, but then again they will burn up in the atmosphere so no harm done in the end.
MirCorp was on the BBC only a month or two ago talking of how they where going to save Mir and were going to send a supply ship up to Mir within a week of the broadcast to keep it in a stable orbit and to make repairs, I guess that was a;; hot air in retrospect, shame, I was looking forward to a trip up there.
OTOH the more you know about your enemy the more you can see how human they are, imagine if you'd been able to communicate with the entire German people on an individual level before the advent of WWII, do you think if you showed them the truth about Hitler and his henchment that they would have gone to war for them? I very much doubt it, it was the fact that the Reich relied on propaganda, on disinformation to marshall the nation behind them. Like Jello Biafra said in his keynote at H2K we have to get better and better bullshit detectors then we can sort the information wheat from the disinformation chaff, it takes time and energy, and its worth it.
Ok, Katz maybe doesnt quite hit the bullseye all the time, I do think he has an important part to play because he is attempting in his own way to allow discussion to try and work out where things are heading in social-political terms, infact/. is the only place I have seen this discussion really go anywhere other than either completely utopian / distopian futures or same as usual scenarios. If you look back in history to what people thought the future would be like and now we can see what its like we can see that most of the time those predicting XYZ were completely wrong, and in the past it did not matter that much. I do think its important that someone should be asking the sorts of questions Katz does ask because I beleive we are in a time where we will need to make important choices, and to do so by trying to peer into the future and figure out if we go right, left, straight on, zigzag etc. Katz may be imperfect in asking the questions, but it does not mean there is no question to be asked, I will say this, being for/against Katz is a bit pointless, if you're not interested in being part of this debate you need not take part, and I do think there are people here that really do want to. Remember Einstein said "God does not play dice with the universe", he was wrong, and while being wrong he did point out something significant, the role of randomness, you can be wrong and still be enlightening.
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I beg to disagree here, the review makes an important point OS is very dependent on honesty and truth which are prized in the community. OTOH alot of closed source depends on dishonesty, for example the whole.NET thing, which does not even exist, and might just be another Cool that takes years to appear and then is less than was promised. I have learnt one thing above all in life, truth comes out one way or another, I've watched individuals, corporations and governments be dishonest but it always comes out, sometimes quickly and sometimes slowly. Any community that is based on truth and honesty, and what people say and do to be aligned is stronger than one that relies on dishonesty and that is why OS is a very good model for communities everywhere and why its influence will spread outside the arena of technology. OS in a way is really the first true ideal of a community with a shared vision, and an open and willing sharing of resources to accomplish that vision, and no one can stop that however much FUD is thrown in our direction.
The same problems occur with databases and OOing, you get people who know the commands but cannot generate a clean design in the first place. With every step in the process requirements-spec-design-implementation the cost of a mistake at the previous level is an other of magnitude larger. This generally leads to all sorts of problems, and I have seen many diverse projects fail because of this. You need a Linus, I guess you might call him a "design czar" and then let others learn from him to build up their skills. Also management need to understand that there are these differences, and that needs to be communicated more by us at the sharp end.
Can't you just send them a reply stating that they are welcome to inspect each machine at a cost of $100K per machine, therefore they could not involve the police as it has then become a contractual negotiation / dispute?
They can't come and look, nor can they impose fines, that is for courts to decide, now I know there are laws against impersonating police officers, are there any laws against impersonating an arm of the justice system in the US or elsewhere?
Well not quite but in a strange sort of way yes. Given the huge amounts of money thrown at the campaign, the media calling Florida for one candidate then another the farce that has happened may actually be a really good thing, because people will start asking more questions of the system rather than just passively listening to whatever the politicians / media is saying. This could be a turning point in how the whole corporate media is perceived by the American public, and that to my mind is good thing.
There are some, for example there is a British MEP (Minister of the European Parliament) Nick Clegg who has been the driving force in pushing through leglislation to unbundle the local loops of incumbant telcos in the EU, without him we in Europe would be facing years of slowly deployed, expensive xDSL services and Europe would fall further and further behind the US and other countries, with unbundling being pushed forward we in Europe may be a bit behind the US in terms of broadband, but not so much that we fall into a dial up only abyss.
I know Bowie has an ISP, Peter Gabriel is seriously into VR (for more than 10 years), and Dave Stewart and Penn Jillette are both fairly hackerish (in the Jargon File meaning), I recall an interview with Jillette quite a few years ago where he was talking about Linux, which really freaked me out because it was before Linux was even a blip on most peoples radar and absolutely no corporate media were talking about it. As I got moded as funny it proves the old adage about many a true word said in jest.
You want pirate radio? Do it on the web, check these guys - http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk/
Oh yeah and you can chat to them all in the chatroom on the site.
One of the benefits of prosperity and reward for hard work is the freedom to indulge ourselves in whatever makes us happy
Ok so humans tend to do what makes them happy, big surprise! The thing is that many people don't bother with much outside that, save the world or have sex with the person of your choice? Most people would SAY save the world, yet in reality they will go for having sex, because of the two options its the one that makes them feel good. The only way to turn this around is to make people more aware of themselves, of how limited they are, only then can they start to make the bigger choices for themselves, thats what confronts our species at the new millenium, self destruction in a wave of over indulgance, or can we grow up, and start take wider responsibilities for ourselves. Technology has its place in helping to get to the later, for all the pr0n and warez on the Net you'll also find snippets of truth, will they, the masses listen? I hope so, I know there is little that I can do if I am the only one pointing out things that will make people uncomfortable I will not get very far, we will only make a difference if we have a critical mass, showing the world what they don't want to see, it will take time, and I do believe we have a chance.
Now that would be cool.. followed by David Bowie on the state of the ISP industry, Peter Gabriel on the latest VR developments and Dave Stewart and Penn Jillette discussing Linux driver issues.
Why? Whats wrong with The Register? If Taco has a problem with them as a whole then hes censoring a valuable source of information, which would be really stupid, if this is true my estimation of not only him but the entire/. crew will fall like a stone. Please Mr. Taco tell me its not so..
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I see too many limitations in peer to peer networking in anything but small groups. I have read some about freenet, and it seems like a good idea, but it isn't like napster: it really needs high speed always connected computers.
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Yes, its a problem alright..
Every once in a while, some technology comes out that is so big it can change the law, such as the printing press, but the majority of technology does not have that big of an impact on our lives.
Again correct, it has to make a significant impact on a large number of individuals, as the printing press and the Web have done and as new types of P2P wil ldo in the future.
I still prefer the traditional client and server relationship which helps things be a little less chaotic, and easier to use.
Thats only because of the technological implementation, which is easier in a straight client-server relationship as there are different levels of complexity of design and deployment used at either end.
Heres the link to the decentralization group on e-groups
Well it does seem he may be doing that, however corporations are not all bad, the problem is that some people like BillG and others want to squeeze the last drop of money out as fast as possible, there are those of us who run companies that understand that the way to actually make more money in the end is to allow others to grow, its like an ecology, if you kill off everything you feed off you die, so its best to allow those you supply to grow at pace similar to your own, look at the growth of the Walkman and music cassette sales, if those selling Walkmans sold them at hugely inflated prices cassette music sales would not have taken off like it did which fed the sale of more Walkmans, all markets are an ecology, if you get it right you'll grow _with_ other corporations within your ecological niche.
In the Democracy Now Archive
The Fungi were originally from earth, but they might well have mutated considerably while in space, but then again they will burn up in the atmosphere so no harm done in the end.
MirCorp was on the BBC only a month or two ago talking of how they where going to save Mir and were going to send a supply ship up to Mir within a week of the broadcast to keep it in a stable orbit and to make repairs, I guess that was a;; hot air in retrospect, shame, I was looking forward to a trip up there.
OTOH the more you know about your enemy the more you can see how human they are, imagine if you'd been able to communicate with the entire German people on an individual level before the advent of WWII, do you think if you showed them the truth about Hitler and his henchment that they would have gone to war for them? I very much doubt it, it was the fact that the Reich relied on propaganda, on disinformation to marshall the nation behind them. Like Jello Biafra said in his keynote at H2K we have to get better and better bullshit detectors then we can sort the information wheat from the disinformation chaff, it takes time and energy, and its worth it.
Ok, Katz maybe doesnt quite hit the bullseye all the time, I do think he has an important part to play because he is attempting in his own way to allow discussion to try and work out where things are heading in social-political terms, infact /. is the only place I have seen this discussion really go anywhere other than either completely utopian / distopian futures or same as usual scenarios. If you look back in history to what people thought the future would be like and now we can see what its like we can see that most of the time those predicting XYZ were completely wrong, and in the past it did not matter that much. I do think its important that someone should be asking the sorts of questions Katz does ask because I beleive we are in a time where we will need to make important choices, and to do so by trying to peer into the future and figure out if we go right, left, straight on, zigzag etc. Katz may be imperfect in asking the questions, but it does not mean there is no question to be asked, I will say this, being for/against Katz is a bit pointless, if you're not interested in being part of this debate you need not take part, and I do think there are people here that really do want to. Remember Einstein said "God does not play dice with the universe", he was wrong, and while being wrong he did point out something significant, the role of randomness, you can be wrong and still be enlightening.
I beg to disagree here, the review makes an important point OS is very dependent on honesty and truth which are prized in the community. OTOH alot of closed source depends on dishonesty, for example the whole .NET thing, which does not even exist, and might just be another Cool that takes years to appear and then is less than was promised. I have learnt one thing above all in life, truth comes out one way or another, I've watched individuals, corporations and governments be dishonest but it always comes out, sometimes quickly and sometimes slowly. Any community that is based on truth and honesty, and what people say and do to be aligned is stronger than one that relies on dishonesty and that is why OS is a very good model for communities everywhere and why its influence will spread outside the arena of technology. OS in a way is really the first true ideal of a community with a shared vision, and an open and willing sharing of resources to accomplish that vision, and no one can stop that however much FUD is thrown in our direction.
The same problems occur with databases and OOing, you get people who know the commands but cannot generate a clean design in the first place. With every step in the process requirements-spec-design-implementation the cost of a mistake at the previous level is an other of magnitude larger. This generally leads to all sorts of problems, and I have seen many diverse projects fail because of this. You need a Linus, I guess you might call him a "design czar" and then let others learn from him to build up their skills. Also management need to understand that there are these differences, and that needs to be communicated more by us at the sharp end.
Can't you just send them a reply stating that they are welcome to inspect each machine at a cost of $100K per machine, therefore they could not involve the police as it has then become a contractual negotiation / dispute?
They can't come and look, nor can they impose fines, that is for courts to decide, now I know there are laws against impersonating police officers, are there any laws against impersonating an arm of the justice system in the US or elsewhere?
Well not quite but in a strange sort of way yes. Given the huge amounts of money thrown at the campaign, the media calling Florida for one candidate then another the farce that has happened may actually be a really good thing, because people will start asking more questions of the system rather than just passively listening to whatever the politicians / media is saying. This could be a turning point in how the whole corporate media is perceived by the American public, and that to my mind is good thing.
Except they don't mention The Dragon Book here as sysadmins don't need to know about compiler design, all bow down to Aho, god of compiler design.
Look at what MS is doing with IE6 -
Microsoft IE 6 to cut off some more air supplies
There are some, for example there is a British MEP (Minister of the European Parliament) Nick Clegg who has been the driving force in pushing through leglislation to unbundle the local loops of incumbant telcos in the EU, without him we in Europe would be facing years of slowly deployed, expensive xDSL services and Europe would fall further and further behind the US and other countries, with unbundling being pushed forward we in Europe may be a bit behind the US in terms of broadband, but not so much that we fall into a dial up only abyss.
Ok time to correct any missconceptions of what happened in Belgrade -
Anatomy of a revolution
I know Bowie has an ISP, Peter Gabriel is seriously into VR (for more than 10 years), and Dave Stewart and Penn Jillette are both fairly hackerish (in the Jargon File meaning), I recall an interview with Jillette quite a few years ago where he was talking about Linux, which really freaked me out because it was before Linux was even a blip on most peoples radar and absolutely no corporate media were talking about it. As I got moded as funny it proves the old adage about many a true word said in jest.
You want pirate radio? Do it on the web, check these guys -
http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk/
Oh yeah and you can chat to them all in the chatroom on the site.
One of the benefits of prosperity and reward for hard work is the freedom to indulge ourselves in whatever makes us happy
Ok so humans tend to do what makes them happy, big surprise! The thing is that many people don't bother with much outside that, save the world or have sex with the person of your choice? Most people would SAY save the world, yet in reality they will go for having sex, because of the two options its the one that makes them feel good. The only way to turn this around is to make people more aware of themselves, of how limited they are, only then can they start to make the bigger choices for themselves, thats what confronts our species at the new millenium, self destruction in a wave of over indulgance, or can we grow up, and start take wider responsibilities for ourselves. Technology has its place in helping to get to the later, for all the pr0n and warez on the Net you'll also find snippets of truth, will they, the masses listen? I hope so, I know there is little that I can do if I am the only one pointing out things that will make people uncomfortable I will not get very far, we will only make a difference if we have a critical mass, showing the world what they don't want to see, it will take time, and I do believe we have a chance.
Now that would be cool.. followed by David Bowie on the state of the ISP industry, Peter Gabriel on the latest VR developments and Dave Stewart and Penn Jillette discussing Linux driver issues.
Why? Whats wrong with The Register? If Taco has a problem with them as a whole then hes censoring a valuable source of information, which would be really stupid, if this is true my estimation of not only him but the entire /. crew will fall like a stone. Please Mr. Taco tell me its not so..
Hey I submitted the same story, its also on The Register
Look at how MS is attempting to force Universities to pay for licences for all students regardless of whether they use the software or not, check -
M$ charges students who don't use its software
Software deal a hard sell
Back of the envelop calculation 50 people costing $50/hour(inc heat/light etc), 8 hours a day for 20 working days is $400K.