IE that he was a priviliged kid, and that him and his family are better than those below him, and his status needs legal protection. I read your statment to say the same thing. That you and your family were born in this country, and theirfore you and your family deserve preference over anyone who didn't.
You'll find that most countries think that way. It's something called government favoring its citizens.
I realize you said "Illegal", but since this story is about allowing immigration in general
the main argument is that it ( immigration policy ) is unethical.
What's unethical about only allowing people into the country that we think will benefit us as a whole?
Of course Gates, Dubya, and the rest of the establishment is fine to let them rot on the borders ( or be shot by redneck, self-appointed border police )
You'll find that that's frequently a matter of shooting back. It's not just day laborers sneaking across the border.
A smart college kid would choose a career based on what they love to do, rather than on money, or they just are not a smart kid to begin with.
English Major. You choose your career based on what will actually support you. If the powers that be have decided that they like getting programmers for $50k with 10 years, go be a lawyer and program in your free time. No sense in getting into a career when congress and the big CEOs have sold you down the river.
As an example, the protectionism endemic in the auto industry in the 1980s and 1990s is currently biting them in the ass, hard.
No, it had more to do with a complete lack of innovation. If GM actually had balls, they'd have something compelling. Instead, they have a couple fancy cars and a lot of boring shit. What's worse, the boring shit is cheap and nasty
How about just being vaguely honest? And why the fuck is any step away from mercantilism viewed as welfare? For that matter, why are social services bad, but welfare for corporations is good?
How about we just stop allowing anchor babies - have a child in the US? At least one parent must be a citizen or else he's not a US citizen. Since most of those people are Mexican, I looked it up - if your parents are Mexican, so are you. Dunoo about Honduras.
I did a similar thing - I'm fairly happy with what I make now, but I'd have gone into teaching for a few years if it meant that some of my loans went away.
Well, they're not qualified to teach science (compared to the people that are targetted), and their specialty isn't in as high demand. Welcome to Econ 101.
It exceeds by 36% the average hourly pay for everyone (including those without a degree).
Why would you include those people, and are you assuming a 40 hour work week?
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Since the root is a part of every path on the system, even a tiny slowdown here will affect everything else too, and it all adds up.
Nah, the blocks for the root directory are most likely always in core, so as long as you don't stuff 10,000 files in root, you'll be fine. Also, a lot of filesystems have binary searching in the directory listing, so 10k files even would be ok.
From what I recall, they generally sue the city and/or run smear campaigns when possible. Basically, anything goes. It's probably illegal to jam wifi directly, but what about a bunch of WAPs that don't go anywhere?
Because it's now standard. The reason for measuring information in powers of two (and it really is different from physical quantities) is tied to the fundamental nature of computers. It's jargon, so it's up to the CS people to define its meaning and they have chosen what you see. It isn't really confusing to people who use it every day.
No, literally, it is 'monster byte'. Mega is only a million in the context of SI. Bytes are not SI.
They got sued for using a term literally?
They got sued for using a term differently from the common usage in order to deceive the buying public.
Doesn't this debacle show how stupid people were for abusing the prefixes in the terminology?
No, not really.
It was never formally defined as a standard, it was just a casual (mis)use of language
Look up 'de facto' and get back to me.
You won't change because you're egotistical.
No, because it works just fine.
The user is more important than the programmer.
Not so. Users are more easily replaced. If you want to let the users define technical jargon, then pleaase refer to your computer as the hard drive and prefix every program's name with 'microsoft', even when someone else makes it. Face it, most users have no concept of size - what does 200M mean? Is that too big to send over email?
That's because of attitudes like yours.
Yeah, we like our terms as they are, so the mebi contingent is minor. That's what you call a tautology.
Having the majority of an industry being wrong isn't exactly a good thing.
Use defines meaning. The majority of the industry says megabyte = 2^20 bytesm thus it is so.
But metric and ISO standards are pretty much where it's at. I
Only to the extent that we allow it. Since the use of Mega is already well established, you have sod all chance of changing things.
But if you don't like the sound of "Mebi" - then just switch to "Mega" and use it correctly.
I am. Megabyte si 2^20 bytes. Bytes are not SI units.
But not everybody in your profession agrees with this usage.
I don't see a groundswell of support for your position.
So, did you, or did you not have anything to do with coining the term?
We as in my profession. Are you not quite right in the head?
If you want computer science and engineering to be taken more seriously, and rise past the level of psychology, you should start acting more like the real scientists and engineers.
That's rich - we aren't taken seriously because we don't use SI units. What are you typing on, again?
Do you want to be stuck at the kid's table, or on the "special bus" where we have to make special exceptions for little Johnny IT (psst - he's a bit slow), or do you want to come to the big table?
I am at the big table. When you grow up, you can be there too.
Which contain the greek prefixes. So, they were coined in error.
No, they are used differently. Bytes are not part of SI, so we get to do what makes sense for what we do.
How can they be being deceptive when they are using accurate terms?
They aren't being accurant. About 10-12 years back, western digital started using 10^9 to compute disk capacity so they could list a bigger number. They got sued for false advertising, so they (and everybody else) now have to declare that they're using the 10^9 number when they say Gigabyte. Marketing weasels do not set standards.
No, it's not. You are using the label incorrectly, and not using standards.
bytes are outside of SI and ISO-31 doesn't apply to information content, no I'm not because there's no standard. That gibi foolishness doesn't count because nobody cares about it.
If it did, why does this argument even exist? How can it possibly work "just fine" when it is completely out of sync with every other field on the planet, and every other usage of these prefixes?
We have different requirements, and a 5% difference for someone outside the field isn't a big deal. We won't change what we're doing because computers are base 2, not 10, so accomodations must be made.
And what do you mean "tangentially involved"?
A bunch of standards bodies have adopted this new notation in the face of a lack of controversy.
What gives you authority over this?
There is no authority - standards bodies have none unless it is given to them by the people who they purport to standardize. I am merely noting that most of us in the field use mega and giga, while the mebi, gibi faction is small and anemic. What gives you authority over this?
Why fetishize change? I like how things are, and there's no compelling reason to change.
It's only two letters in a label! Why are you so attached to it?
Largely because I'm used to kilo and kibi, mebi, gibi sound retarded. It's never come up in any job I've held, and the only people I've heard advocate it live on slashdot.
Also, you use "we" and "our" a lot. You say that "we" coined the term. Are you saying that you personally had something to do with coining these terms?
I identify with my profession. What are you on about?
Who "owns" them? Again, we get back to the greek problem.
The SI units are adapted from both greek and latin. In greek, they didn't mean 10^n, they were various words for 'big' and fifth or sixth. They also don't count for information conten. Mega is 10^6 or 2^20 depending on context.
But it's obviously not perfectly workable, otherwise this confusion would never come up.
There's no confusion, only some deception by HD manufacturers.
nd why would it be so hard for software to give me an option? It's my data - if I want it correctly labeled as Gibibytes, instead of incorrectly labeled - why don't I have that option?
Because the correct label is Gigabyte, which is 2^30 bytes. If you care so much, write a patch.
So, what's the problem?
We don't want to change something that works just fine because some people who only tangentially get involved with what we do every day decided they want to redefine our jargon.
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So offer them the choice of leaving with or without their child. I know that isn't very popular, but we need a bit more of the wisdom of solomon.
IE that he was a priviliged kid, and that him and his family are better than those below him, and his status needs legal protection. I read your statment to say the same thing. That you and your family were born in this country, and theirfore you and your family deserve preference over anyone who didn't.
You'll find that most countries think that way. It's something called government favoring its citizens.
I realize you said "Illegal", but since this story is about allowing immigration in general
No, this story is about H1B, not immigration.
the main argument is that it ( immigration policy ) is unethical.
What's unethical about only allowing people into the country that we think will benefit us as a whole?
Of course Gates, Dubya, and the rest of the establishment is fine to let them rot on the borders ( or be shot by redneck, self-appointed border police )
You'll find that that's frequently a matter of shooting back. It's not just day laborers sneaking across the border.
A smart college kid would choose a career based on what they love to do, rather than on money, or they just are not a smart kid to begin with.
English Major. You choose your career based on what will actually support you. If the powers that be have decided that they like getting programmers for $50k with 10 years, go be a lawyer and program in your free time. No sense in getting into a career when congress and the big CEOs have sold you down the river.
I checked their site - I'm pretty sure they could lose 2/3rds of their models and be fine. Lots of duplication there.
As an example, the protectionism endemic in the auto industry in the 1980s and 1990s is currently biting them in the ass, hard.
No, it had more to do with a complete lack of innovation. If GM actually had balls, they'd have something compelling. Instead, they have a couple fancy cars and a lot of boring shit. What's worse, the boring shit is cheap and nasty
yup - and that's the free market, competition and capitalism at work for you.
That's not a free market. If it were, you'd see salary parity.
How about just being vaguely honest? And why the fuck is any step away from mercantilism viewed as welfare? For that matter, why are social services bad, but welfare for corporations is good?
how's that going to run crufty old windows apps from 10 years ago?
How about we just stop allowing anchor babies - have a child in the US? At least one parent must be a citizen or else he's not a US citizen. Since most of those people are Mexican, I looked it up - if your parents are Mexican, so are you. Dunoo about Honduras.
It's Dianne Feinstein --- proof that everyone in California is either on drugs or insane. What did you expect?
Shouldn't she be out banning scary looking guns or something?
I did a similar thing - I'm fairly happy with what I make now, but I'd have gone into teaching for a few years if it meant that some of my loans went away.
They're maybe not qualified as math/science teachers. If they want a fat check, they should see about changing subjects.
Well, they're not qualified to teach science (compared to the people that are targetted), and their specialty isn't in as high demand. Welcome to Econ 101.
It exceeds by 36% the average hourly pay for everyone (including those without a degree).
Why would you include those people, and are you assuming a 40 hour work week?
Since the root is a part of every path on the system, even a tiny slowdown here will affect everything else too, and it all adds up.
Nah, the blocks for the root directory are most likely always in core, so as long as you don't stuff 10,000 files in root, you'll be fine. Also, a lot of filesystems have binary searching in the directory listing, so 10k files even would be ok.
From what I recall, they generally sue the city and/or run smear campaigns when possible. Basically, anything goes. It's probably illegal to jam wifi directly, but what about a bunch of WAPs that don't go anywhere?
Because it's now standard. The reason for measuring information in powers of two (and it really is different from physical quantities) is tied to the fundamental nature of computers. It's jargon, so it's up to the CS people to define its meaning and they have chosen what you see. It isn't really confusing to people who use it every day.
Megabyte - is literally "Million Bytes"
No, literally, it is 'monster byte'. Mega is only a million in the context of SI. Bytes are not SI.
They got sued for using a term literally?
They got sued for using a term differently from the common usage in order to deceive the buying public.
Doesn't this debacle show how stupid people were for abusing the prefixes in the terminology?
No, not really.
It was never formally defined as a standard, it was just a casual (mis)use of language
Look up 'de facto' and get back to me.
You won't change because you're egotistical.
No, because it works just fine.
The user is more important than the programmer.
Not so. Users are more easily replaced. If you want to let the users define technical jargon, then pleaase refer to your computer as the hard drive and prefix every program's name with 'microsoft', even when someone else makes it. Face it, most users have no concept of size - what does 200M mean? Is that too big to send over email?
That's because of attitudes like yours.
Yeah, we like our terms as they are, so the mebi contingent is minor. That's what you call a tautology.
Having the majority of an industry being wrong isn't exactly a good thing.
Use defines meaning. The majority of the industry says megabyte = 2^20 bytesm thus it is so.
But metric and ISO standards are pretty much where it's at. I
Only to the extent that we allow it. Since the use of Mega is already well established, you have sod all chance of changing things.
But if you don't like the sound of "Mebi" - then just switch to "Mega" and use it correctly.
I am. Megabyte si 2^20 bytes. Bytes are not SI units.
But not everybody in your profession agrees with this usage.
I don't see a groundswell of support for your position.
So, did you, or did you not have anything to do with coining the term?
We as in my profession. Are you not quite right in the head?
If you want computer science and engineering to be taken more seriously, and rise past the level of psychology, you should start acting more like the real scientists and engineers.
That's rich - we aren't taken seriously because we don't use SI units. What are you typing on, again?
Do you want to be stuck at the kid's table, or on the "special bus" where we have to make special exceptions for little Johnny IT (psst - he's a bit slow), or do you want to come to the big table?
I am at the big table. When you grow up, you can be there too.
Which contain the greek prefixes. So, they were coined in error.
No, they are used differently. Bytes are not part of SI, so we get to do what makes sense for what we do.
How can they be being deceptive when they are using accurate terms?
They aren't being accurant. About 10-12 years back, western digital started using 10^9 to compute disk capacity so they could list a bigger number. They got sued for false advertising, so they (and everybody else) now have to declare that they're using the 10^9 number when they say Gigabyte. Marketing weasels do not set standards.
No, it's not. You are using the label incorrectly, and not using standards.
bytes are outside of SI and ISO-31 doesn't apply to information content, no I'm not because there's no standard. That gibi foolishness doesn't count because nobody cares about it.
If it did, why does this argument even exist? How can it possibly work "just fine" when it is completely out of sync with every other field on the planet, and every other usage of these prefixes?
We have different requirements, and a 5% difference for someone outside the field isn't a big deal. We won't change what we're doing because computers are base 2, not 10, so accomodations must be made.
And what do you mean "tangentially involved"?
A bunch of standards bodies have adopted this new notation in the face of a lack of controversy.
What gives you authority over this?
There is no authority - standards bodies have none unless it is given to them by the people who they purport to standardize. I am merely noting that most of us in the field use mega and giga, while the mebi, gibi faction is small and anemic. What gives you authority over this?
Why are you so afraid of change?
Why fetishize change? I like how things are, and there's no compelling reason to change.
It's only two letters in a label! Why are you so attached to it?
Largely because I'm used to kilo and kibi, mebi, gibi sound retarded. It's never come up in any job I've held, and the only people I've heard advocate it live on slashdot.
Also, you use "we" and "our" a lot. You say that "we" coined the term. Are you saying that you personally had something to do with coining these terms?
I identify with my profession. What are you on about?
Who "owns" them? Again, we get back to the greek problem.
The SI units are adapted from both greek and latin. In greek, they didn't mean 10^n, they were various words for 'big' and fifth or sixth. They also don't count for information conten. Mega is 10^6 or 2^20 depending on context.
What? Software writers coined the greek language?
No, we coined the terms kilobyte and megabyte.
But it's obviously not perfectly workable, otherwise this confusion would never come up.
There's no confusion, only some deception by HD manufacturers.
nd why would it be so hard for software to give me an option? It's my data - if I want it correctly labeled as Gibibytes, instead of incorrectly labeled - why don't I have that option?
Because the correct label is Gigabyte, which is 2^30 bytes. If you care so much, write a patch.
So, what's the problem?
We don't want to change something that works just fine because some people who only tangentially get involved with what we do every day decided they want to redefine our jargon.
I guess my point was that nobody asked for new SI prefixes. When talking about memory and disk space, kilo = 1024.
As such, there has been a decree to give the powers of two their own SI prefix names.
One question: when did nist get to make decrees?