Sigh. You really don't know anything do you? You may own the physical media (all 4 pennies of it) but you don't own the music.
,p>You do, sort of. You own the copy, and you can do what you please with it (aside from public performance and redistribution). How is that different from other consumer items?
I'm expressing my opinion that children should be taken out of the equation so people don't start banning things I want to buy for their sake. So what are you asking? Who am I to have an opinion?
That's the coward's way out. What you really need to do is fight the idiots trying to ban whatever they don't like. You think they'd stop at banning it for kids? They won't stop until it's wholly illegal.
Everyone always makes this stupid argument that kids need to participate in shopping, drinking, voting, etc, otherwise they'll never know how to do these things when they turn 18.
It's not stupid, you just don't get it - these things take practice, and the best way to learn is by doing. That's why 16 year old drivers suck, and that's why making the driving age 18 will just move the age of suckitude to 18.
You can learn how to be a good little consumer by doing the same.
We don't train consumers, but we should. Learning from mom and dad is a great way to grow up living hand to mouth because that's how you've always done it and you don't know better. We should be teaching budgeting and basic cooking/nutrition in high school, but we don't, at least not as required courses.
Of course, what's most absurd about this is that when my generation was growing up children typically didn't buy much of anything.
This is hardly a reason to make it illegal. When my generation grew up, we had jobs and bought soda and other crap like that. Imagine it being a finable offence to sell soda to a 14 year old - what purpose does that serve?
As we all know, when you buy a CD or a DVD or a video game, you're not actually purchasing the product, you're entering into a licensing agreement. How can you enter into a legal agreement with a child?
Dude, WTF? When you buy a Cd you are actually purchasing the CD. You then own it. There's no license involved.
Regardless of all that, who do you think you are to decide that kids should have no rights to participate in the economic side of things?
Kids should have human rights, they shouldn't have any rights as citizens or elements of the economy. It's just bullshit to think that people who have no responsibilities should have the same rights as people who do.
Well they do, more or less, and human rights are rather difficult to separate from rights as citizens. Also, by breathing, they're part of the economy. Would you prefer that we kick them out of the house on their 18th birthday after not working or buying food or anything else and demand that they go support themselves? That's insane.
I know it's an extremist viewpoint.. but I don't have kids, I don't terribly like kids, and frankly I don't give a shit if they lose some freedoms, as long as mine are protected.
Well fuck you. Kids have rights, even if they're limited. Infringing on them just because it causes you irritation is the height of arrogance. Also, what makes you think your rights will be protected if they government finds out they can disenfreanchise a whole generation just because.
Sure do. I'm a geek, but I know enough to know that we are not some sort of polticial block, we don't act as a single group, and even if we did, petty revenge won't affect real change.
Ok, most of the laws that are passed as a fundamental part of western democracy's (you know ownership and that kinda crap) are capitalist. That's probably why the more modern attempts at communism went with dictators instead of democracies. Not all democracies are capitalist and not all dictatorships are communist, but Western style democracies play very well for capitalist economies.
So what you're saying is that lotsa capitalist countries are also democracies. What I'm saying is that that doesn't make them the same thing.
Before that (say 1-2000+ years ago) people lived quite well in communes.
Communes aren't terribly large. Note what I said about scale.
I think there will start to be serious problems with the capitalist system in the next 20-30 years, especially as the oil starts to run out and the rich finish off taking over the land / world.
Capitalism isn't a social system, it's an economic one. The US is a somewhat socialist country, we just don't want to admit it.
The hypocricy of the white man who says such things is just astounding.
You go to other people's countries, invade them with your missionaries in toe, rule them for hundreds of years, try to "civilize" them, and yet, complain about their assimilation.
Well, I don't see too many missionaries in SA, but it could use some civilizing. I don't see that happening until the oil runs out, though. Anyway, if you can check your moral outrage at us oppressing the innocent, pure arabs, you might ask the same question: why can't they produce something that reflects their culture instead of shoehorning the Simpsons into their worldview? It's not like they're assimilating - witness the lack of beer, bacon, and family pets.
Today, the only realistic choice for "easterners" is to "westernize".
Well, the easterners are westernizing. It's the middle east people that we're talking about.
Why don't you shut the fuck up and let the poor guy decide just what values and practices HE is personally interested in?
Why don't they do that? Why are they instead rebranding the simpsons? It's not like they can't produce something originally.
Ever read up on how the white man systematically wiped out American Indians and Blacks and all they possessed in North America?
Yeah. We did it because we had the guns and they didn't. What's this got to do with the simpsons?
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I wonder what local-arab irreverant humor is like? Any local-arabs have any insight?
I don't know about arabs, but the problem with wahabish muslims is that they respond to irreverence with fatwahs and long knives.
If someone setup a web page that listed personal information about you, called you names and had doctored photos of you in secual congress with farm animals.
Funny thing about that - in WA, a guy who went onto someone else's farm to film his buddy doing a horse was charged recently. The charge was trespassing, as bestiality is legal here.
A song isnt a commodity any more than a haynes manual is. My stereo is producing the sound.
A song is a commodity less than a haynes manual. Anybody can tell you how to fix your VW bus (you do drive one of those, right?). When people want to hear a song, they usually want to hear something in particular. Also, the fact remains: your stereo reproduces the song, but the CD tells it what to reproduce.
OF course you need to have copyright to give respect to people, but ideally I shouldnt have to pay someone to sing their song, tell their story, or describe how to fix a car. If i could make perfect copies of the aleternator of my car, i shouldnt have to pay anyone to do it.
Copyright isn't about respect so much as control. People do own songs that they write and yes, you must pay them for every public performance of those songs. If you could make perfect copies of an alternator, then yes, the same issues would apply.
slavery is control.
We tried communism - doesn't work on any sort of scale.
Exactly my point. I can't. Neither, likely, could you. But a few thousand just might find it doable.
Not a chance in hell. A few thousand people (working for free on tax software?) dividing the work and coordinating for an 8 week deadline, which is more lilke code 4 weeks, test 4 weeks? Not gonna happen. Anybody who's been involved in a large software project is now laughing themselves blue in the face.
Yeah, Linux works, but it doesn't have a deadline.
there's probably a good argument for that (based on the punishment and very low drunk driving rates in some European contries)
It may have something to do with the lower driving rates in some EU countries, or possibly the improved public transit. The EU doesn't have quite the same car culture as here.
Except relicense it with anything other than the GPL, and except keeping your modifications closed source. Ironically quite restrictive, compared MS-PL.
You don't have to distribute your changes unless you redistribute your changed version. I don't see any MS licenses that allow you to relicense their code.
I wonder if anybody could really get a patent for a "150MPG car by using energy saving and regenerative techniques"
Wouldn't they have to describe the techniques in order to receive patent protection? The whole point of a patent is to allow someone to implement your idea, after all.
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Sigh. You really don't know anything do you? You may own the physical media (all 4 pennies of it) but you don't own the music.
I'm expressing my opinion that children should be taken out of the equation so people don't start banning things I want to buy for their sake. So what are you asking? Who am I to have an opinion?
That's the coward's way out. What you really need to do is fight the idiots trying to ban whatever they don't like. You think they'd stop at banning it for kids? They won't stop until it's wholly illegal.
Everyone always makes this stupid argument that kids need to participate in shopping, drinking, voting, etc, otherwise they'll never know how to do these things when they turn 18.
It's not stupid, you just don't get it - these things take practice, and the best way to learn is by doing. That's why 16 year old drivers suck, and that's why making the driving age 18 will just move the age of suckitude to 18.
You can learn how to be a good little consumer by doing the same.
We don't train consumers, but we should. Learning from mom and dad is a great way to grow up living hand to mouth because that's how you've always done it and you don't know better. We should be teaching budgeting and basic cooking/nutrition in high school, but we don't, at least not as required courses.
Of course, what's most absurd about this is that when my generation was growing up children typically didn't buy much of anything.
This is hardly a reason to make it illegal. When my generation grew up, we had jobs and bought soda and other crap like that. Imagine it being a finable offence to sell soda to a 14 year old - what purpose does that serve?
As we all know, when you buy a CD or a DVD or a video game, you're not actually purchasing the product, you're entering into a licensing agreement. How can you enter into a legal agreement with a child?
Dude, WTF? When you buy a Cd you are actually purchasing the CD. You then own it. There's no license involved.
Regardless of all that, who do you think you are to decide that kids should have no rights to participate in the economic side of things?
Kids should have human rights, they shouldn't have any rights as citizens or elements of the economy. It's just bullshit to think that people who have no responsibilities should have the same rights as people who do.
Well they do, more or less, and human rights are rather difficult to separate from rights as citizens. Also, by breathing, they're part of the economy. Would you prefer that we kick them out of the house on their 18th birthday after not working or buying food or anything else and demand that they go support themselves? That's insane.
I prefer my old sig, "I like women like I like my coffee - ground up and in the freezer"
I like women like my rum - 12 years old and mixed up in coke.
I know it's an extremist viewpoint.. but I don't have kids, I don't terribly like kids, and frankly I don't give a shit if they lose some freedoms, as long as mine are protected.
Well fuck you. Kids have rights, even if they're limited. Infringing on them just because it causes you irritation is the height of arrogance. Also, what makes you think your rights will be protected if they government finds out they can disenfreanchise a whole generation just because.
Do you really wanna open that box?
Sure do. I'm a geek, but I know enough to know that we are not some sort of polticial block, we don't act as a single group, and even if we did, petty revenge won't affect real change.
Ok, most of the laws that are passed as a fundamental part of western democracy's (you know ownership and that kinda crap) are capitalist. That's probably why the more modern attempts at communism went with dictators instead of democracies. Not all democracies are capitalist and not all dictatorships are communist, but Western style democracies play very well for capitalist economies.
So what you're saying is that lotsa capitalist countries are also democracies. What I'm saying is that that doesn't make them the same thing.
western democracy is just another word for capitalism.
No it isn't. Try learning what you're talking about before you spout off
By scale did you mean population density?
I mean the size of a state. If you return to communes, then you return to tribal life.
I have no problem with the population dropping to 10% of it's current level.
I'm sure 90% of the population does.
Before that (say 1-2000+ years ago) people lived quite well in communes.
Communes aren't terribly large. Note what I said about scale.
I think there will start to be serious problems with the capitalist system in the next 20-30 years, especially as the oil starts to run out and the rich finish off taking over the land / world.
Capitalism isn't a social system, it's an economic one. The US is a somewhat socialist country, we just don't want to admit it.
It seems as if the American audience can't consume anything that is not made safe for them by converting it to a local reference point
Speak for yourself. I loved AbFab, but the US version of the office sucks like a $2 whore.
_You_ do realise that indian and pakistani are (generalising) opposite ends of the spectrum right?
You do realize that Pakistan is 58 years old, right?
The hypocricy of the white man who says such things is just astounding. You go to other people's countries, invade them with your missionaries in toe, rule them for hundreds of years, try to "civilize" them, and yet, complain about their assimilation.
Well, I don't see too many missionaries in SA, but it could use some civilizing. I don't see that happening until the oil runs out, though. Anyway, if you can check your moral outrage at us oppressing the innocent, pure arabs, you might ask the same question: why can't they produce something that reflects their culture instead of shoehorning the Simpsons into their worldview? It's not like they're assimilating - witness the lack of beer, bacon, and family pets.
Today, the only realistic choice for "easterners" is to "westernize".
Well, the easterners are westernizing. It's the middle east people that we're talking about.
Why don't you shut the fuck up and let the poor guy decide just what values and practices HE is personally interested in?
Why don't they do that? Why are they instead rebranding the simpsons? It's not like they can't produce something originally.
Ever read up on how the white man systematically wiped out American Indians and Blacks and all they possessed in North America?
Yeah. We did it because we had the guns and they didn't. What's this got to do with the simpsons?
I wonder what local-arab irreverant humor is like? Any local-arabs have any insight?
I don't know about arabs, but the problem with wahabish muslims is that they respond to irreverence with fatwahs and long knives.
A random teenager has no idea what is involved in making games.
A random teenager has no idea what is involved in supporting himself.
If someone setup a web page that listed personal information about you, called you names and had doctored photos of you in secual congress with farm animals.
Funny thing about that - in WA, a guy who went onto someone else's farm to film his buddy doing a horse was charged recently. The charge was trespassing, as bestiality is legal here.
A song isnt a commodity any more than a haynes manual is. My stereo is producing the sound.
A song is a commodity less than a haynes manual. Anybody can tell you how to fix your VW bus (you do drive one of those, right?). When people want to hear a song, they usually want to hear something in particular. Also, the fact remains: your stereo reproduces the song, but the CD tells it what to reproduce.
OF course you need to have copyright to give respect to people, but ideally I shouldnt have to pay someone to sing their song, tell their story, or describe how to fix a car. If i could make perfect copies of the aleternator of my car, i shouldnt have to pay anyone to do it.
Copyright isn't about respect so much as control. People do own songs that they write and yes, you must pay them for every public performance of those songs. If you could make perfect copies of an alternator, then yes, the same issues would apply.
slavery is control.
We tried communism - doesn't work on any sort of scale.
I hereby amend my previous position: "Information that hurts no innocents wants to be freely accessible."
No, all information wants to be free, just like chlorine gas wants to expand to fill whatever volume it occupies.
Exactly my point. I can't. Neither, likely, could you. But a few thousand just might find it doable.
Not a chance in hell. A few thousand people (working for free on tax software?) dividing the work and coordinating for an 8 week deadline, which is more lilke code 4 weeks, test 4 weeks? Not gonna happen. Anybody who's been involved in a large software project is now laughing themselves blue in the face.
Yeah, Linux works, but it doesn't have a deadline.
there's probably a good argument for that (based on the punishment and very low drunk driving rates in some European contries)
It may have something to do with the lower driving rates in some EU countries, or possibly the improved public transit. The EU doesn't have quite the same car culture as here.
And this is a good reason for leaving it closed? Seems to make the very case for opening it to me.
And how would you write, test, and validate all that crap in 8 weeks? This is why the situation is so fucked up.
Except relicense it with anything other than the GPL, and except keeping your modifications closed source. Ironically quite restrictive, compared MS-PL.
You don't have to distribute your changes unless you redistribute your changed version. I don't see any MS licenses that allow you to relicense their code.
Granted, but find me off the shell PUBLIC DOMAIN software that will achieve that.
Would you settle for something that's GPLed?
Well I assume it's not due to the mistaken belief that having a large power hungry computer is safer.
Well, I have electric heat, so it really doesn't matter how much power my computer uses.
I wonder if anybody could really get a patent for a "150MPG car by using energy saving and regenerative techniques"
Wouldn't they have to describe the techniques in order to receive patent protection? The whole point of a patent is to allow someone to implement your idea, after all.
Thomas Edison the 15th in his basement lab does not.
Thomas Edison the first, otoh, ran a corporation of his own. He didn't get all those patents himself.
sure, a few basement inventors still might come up with a great concept.
At which point, some corps may decide to violate it anyway and bury the guy in lawyers.