I've run redhat 6 and 7.2 and I've never succeed in getting KDE to work with VNC servers. Does anyone know what theproblems is? gnome, and all the other window managers work fine.
No I meant where is the boot config file for darwin that conatins the commands that launch the windows/desktop manager for aqua. If this were Xwindows, there would be some run-level 5 config file that had a line like
startX or startKDE
I would assume there is something analogous in OSX's boot config. I just cant find it.
And that's just half the problem, the other half is how to adapt the VNC server's init file to use this manager instead of Xwinddows.
just look around. For example VNCThing for mac. You can even have is trap the control/command keys. When you uses it, it's eerie cause you can forget which machine you are on. Even the screen saver will pop-on
I tunnel vnc through multiple firewalls all the time (over DSL);both direction run through a single port so it's actually easier than tunneling X windows. not to mention more secure than xhosts. And in my experience if you use the right client is WAY more robust and faster than remote x-windows. especially for real-time mouse actions (use a bad client and it stinks, so shop around).
some tips: generally you are better off NOT enabling ssh compression as VNC's compression works better. Supposedly tightVNC is the best for narrow pipes. But on fat pipes in actually is better not to compress. if you are worried about security do two things. first always turn off the http port (on by default at 580x). Second, for extra security only allow connections to/from loopback 127.0.0.1. Then use ssh to send it where you want. Finally, note that VNC itself is not encoded so the ONLY protection you are getting is the SSH encoding. If you dont tunnel all the way you are exposed. However since it is graphics info and not plain ascii, it takes a clever hacker to actually decode what you are sending in the clear.
There seems to be only one server for OS X aqua and thats osx vnc. unfortunately osxVNC.com is defunct. You can find a few orphan mirrors here and there. But what i'd really like to know is how to configure a new vncserver, like tightVNC or this realVNC to use the aqua desktop.
There's plenty of servers for Xfree86 on osX, so that's not what I'm asking about. My guess is that the only difference is basically what window/desktop manager starts under the VNC server. But i've hunted and I cant figure out where the window manager starts in Darwin or in osxVNC server.
does anyone know where this is and how to rig a new vncserver to use the aqua desktop?
Well if you can get to the URL que you can certainly get to the GET or POST info as well. Which means password or personal info (bank accounts, creditcards) are in the open.
I'm guessing it changes the http referer tags.
http://amzaon.com?referer=Kazaa
which if true means it could also be reading anything you post to your bank, your credit card, even passwords.
Yes I want to know more about how this works. Clearly it must be BEATING any privacy offered by ssl encryption at the source level. THis means it can read credit cards, passwords, and of course your on line banking activity. yikes.
even if these companies are responsible whose to stop someone from hacking their own version and distributing this trojan horse.
I guess in principle its no worse than any tojan horse is. But I was gullible enough to believe my browsers maintained a veil of security against this kind of intrusion
I wonder if this.dll avoids the security of an ssl connection? if so then it can read our credit card number, password, and anything else it chooses and transmit those to whomever.
I'm a little surprised that the browsers even make it possible for a security hole like this to exist.
heck suppose the EULA said, after a 1 week trial period we will begin charging your credit card 9$/week. just as soon as our stealware program sees you enter the number for some purchase. Your tough luck if you dont read EULAs, chump
Does this effect Linux, Java-jar, or mac osX versions? If so Does anyone know how to remove it or at least detect it?
by the way, how does this work anyhow?
Yes you can do unix style cut and paste in all of the X-windows, just not the aqua windows. Also as for being faster, I think not. You are apparenly just not dexterous enough to key press when you have your hand on the mouse. too bad for you, most people are. I much prefer the apple style because you cant accidentally paste with a wrong mouse click. and you cant accidentally copy for the same reason.
I'm a 15 year mac and unix user. The parent post was a very good summary of the real nuiscances I have found in OSX. But...and I dont know how to emphasize this enough... Those are ALL of the REAL nuiscances. ALL of them! On linux, which I dearly love, the number of ways to fuck up is almost endless. The sticky points on apple are partly a matter of getting used to them, not true problems. For example, I can already tell that someday when I figure out how to use netInfo without making mistakes I will love it a lot more than the/etc/hosts/etc/fstab mess that we call linux. So yeah right now I try to do someething the linux way and it does not work the way I was expecting. boo hoo. Another missing feature is Raid 5. But that's in the works, and in fact you can get third party apps. As for things like cp and mv not moving the magic bits. well that's nasty surprise the first time you realize it. But then you learn its again because you did not do things the right way. for example, use ditto or rsyncX instead of cp to get the job done. (aside: not actually cp works fine for ANY file you would use under linux, it's just that the mac HFS+ stores more info than linux does and cp is not aware of this info. so if your just moving around linux type files it makes no difference. Most modern mac apps now avoid making use of the extra hfs+ features for this reason). As for HFS+ and UFS, at first I too wished for something like ext3 but then I noticed that I did not need it. ext3 is mainly useful when your computer does not gracefully survive crashes. I have noticed my mac is much more robust and thus has less need. but like RAID 5 its in the works and will be out.
You dumb troll, the arpanet was designed exactly to be a self healing system to survive nuclear attack. Time after time, earthquakes and power failures have not killed the internet. And if everyone got on at the same time it might suck in thoughput and packet loss but it would function because it has done so.
If you want a decentralized secure system you have to create a system that does not need an omnisceint trusted party. In otherwords you need an agent based system where each agent's local utility function is such that by optimizing it, it approximates the global utility function. This does not enforce security, but by clever design of the local utility function could make for a bobust system even with "evil" agents.
Linux is not the only user of GNU features. OS X ports many of these as too. So GNU and Linux are not synonymous.
still can anyone even write down a phonetic pronunciation of GNU / OS X / BSD
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If your too cheap to shell out for a firewire drive:
If you hold down command-T when you boot any powerbook the machine wakes up as a fire wire drive.
but really the better way to go is to net-boot os-X.
Finally, I dont see why you need a FW dirive at all. just mount the disks over ethernet. if your lucky enough to have gigbit ethernet ports on your macs its even faster than firewire. (skip the router and just use a cross-over cable maco-a-maco.
There's a way we could satisfy both sides. No one would object--I hope-- to the consumer fast-forwarding over the naughty-bits if they chose to. So if clean flicks, instead of editing, simply gave you a programmable remote (perhpas it could "watch" the screen for an embedded signal invisble to humans, or better yet use the close captioning track). then it could fast forward for you. No actual deletion of media.
Anyhow that's hypothetical. Just to make the point that there's nothing wrong with editing a film--the viewer has this right.
Hmmm good point. but i think it can be finessed. Suppose we do a little steganography. we embed some tiny problem in a larger one we want to compute. for example suppose the task was to find 100 best fit lines to 100 sets of points. We send 101 sets of points, one of which is our "test" set. the server wont know which one it's going to be graded on so it has to do all 101.
It is a (VERY) well proven text book case that introducing intelligent ineffiecy in the system often dramatically improves throughput. This has been shown in almost all shared, no cost resources. In particular, reducing the number of streets and thus street crossing actually can improve traffic flow. Similar cases exist for internet routers and routing algorithms (part of the internet II project at NASA ames). Likewise, charging a price for grazing land use often increaces productive use of land by lowering overgazing resulting in higher sustainable grass yields and fatter cows
. The term for this, if you dont know, is taken from the sheep farming term "tragedy of the commons".
So this is a great idea, because the commodity I have to pay with is something I have for free but in limited quantity. No not belly button lint, though that would do too. But excess computer cycles. when I am composing an e-mail message, my computer is mostly idling.
Further more, who says the problem being solved has to be unproductive. Why dont we turn this into a distributed computing problem. for example, some unsolved math problemor Seti-at-home kind of thing. Or maybe one could even have a central arbiter that would rent out this distributed computing time for actual money.
Now onto some minor objections to this. A computer that issues a challenge when receiving an e-mail is by defintion saying "I exist!" thus alerting the spammer of your existence. No not a big deal since ping and other network resolvers can do similar things.
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I've run redhat 6 and 7.2 and I've never succeed in getting KDE to work with VNC servers. Does anyone know what theproblems is? gnome, and all the other window managers work fine.
startX or startKDE
I would assume there is something analogous in OSX's boot config. I just cant find it.
And that's just half the problem, the other half is how to adapt the VNC server's init file to use this manager instead of Xwinddows.
anyone know how to do this?
Please say that you are developing VNC for the AQUA desktop. VNC for the Xserver exists for now.
just look around. For example VNCThing for mac. You can even have is trap the control/command keys. When you uses it, it's eerie cause you can forget which machine you are on. Even the screen saver will pop-on
some tips: generally you are better off NOT enabling ssh compression as VNC's compression works better. Supposedly tightVNC is the best for narrow pipes. But on fat pipes in actually is better not to compress. if you are worried about security do two things. first always turn off the http port (on by default at 580x). Second, for extra security only allow connections to/from loopback 127.0.0.1. Then use ssh to send it where you want. Finally, note that VNC itself is not encoded so the ONLY protection you are getting is the SSH encoding. If you dont tunnel all the way you are exposed. However since it is graphics info and not plain ascii, it takes a clever hacker to actually decode what you are sending in the clear.
There's plenty of servers for Xfree86 on osX, so that's not what I'm asking about. My guess is that the only difference is basically what window/desktop manager starts under the VNC server. But i've hunted and I cant figure out where the window manager starts in Darwin or in osxVNC server.
does anyone know where this is and how to rig a new vncserver to use the aqua desktop?
Well if you can get to the URL que you can certainly get to the GET or POST info as well. Which means password or personal info (bank accounts, creditcards) are in the open.
I'm guessing it changes the http referer tags.
http://amzaon.com?referer=Kazaa
which if true means it could also be reading anything you post to your bank, your credit card, even passwords.
even if these companies are responsible whose to stop someone from hacking their own version and distributing this trojan horse.
I guess in principle its no worse than any tojan horse is. But I was gullible enough to believe my browsers maintained a veil of security against this kind of intrusion
I'm a little surprised that the browsers even make it possible for a security hole like this to exist.
heck suppose the EULA said, after a 1 week trial period we will begin charging your credit card 9$/week. just as soon as our stealware program sees you enter the number for some purchase. Your tough luck if you dont read EULAs, chump
Does this effect Linux, Java-jar, or mac osX versions? If so Does anyone know how to remove it or at least detect it?
by the way, how does this work anyhow?
You are a retard. Did you even read the macslash page to linked to? if you had you would know that what yousay is false.
Yes you can do unix style cut and paste in all of the X-windows, just not the aqua windows. Also as for being faster, I think not. You are apparenly just not dexterous enough to key press when you have your hand on the mouse. too bad for you, most people are. I much prefer the apple style because you cant accidentally paste with a wrong mouse click. and you cant accidentally copy for the same reason.
I'm a 15 year mac and unix user. The parent post was a very good summary of the real nuiscances I have found in OSX. But...and I dont know how to emphasize this enough... Those are ALL of the REAL nuiscances. ALL of them! /etc/hosts /etc/fstab mess that we call linux. So yeah right now I try to do someething the linux way and it does not work the way I was expecting. boo hoo. Another missing feature is Raid 5. But that's in the works, and in fact you can get third party apps.
On linux, which I dearly love, the number of ways to fuck up is almost endless. The sticky points on apple are partly a matter of getting used to them, not true problems.
For example, I can already tell that someday when I figure out how to use netInfo without making mistakes I will love it a lot more than the
As for things like cp and mv not moving the magic bits. well that's nasty surprise the first time you realize it. But then you learn its again because you did not do things the right way. for example, use ditto or rsyncX instead of cp to get the job done. (aside: not actually cp works fine for ANY file you would use under linux, it's just that the mac HFS+ stores more info than linux does and cp is not aware of this info. so if your just moving around linux type files it makes no difference. Most modern mac apps now avoid making use of the extra hfs+ features for this reason). As for HFS+ and UFS, at first I too wished for something like ext3 but then I noticed that I did not need it. ext3 is mainly useful when your computer does not gracefully survive crashes. I have noticed my mac is much more robust and thus has less need. but like RAID 5 its in the works and will be out.
robust.
[though "bobust" is pretty cool isn't it. ought to be a word. maybe it means a Bozo-proof robust system. I better patent it now.]
You dumb troll, the arpanet was designed exactly to be a self healing system to survive nuclear attack. Time after time, earthquakes and power failures have not killed the internet. And if everyone got on at the same time it might suck in thoughput and packet loss but it would function because it has done so.
If you want a decentralized secure system you have to create a system that does not need an omnisceint trusted party. In otherwords you need an agent based system where each agent's local utility function is such that by optimizing it, it approximates the global utility function. This does not enforce security, but by clever design of the local utility function could make for a bobust system even with "evil" agents.
Linux is not the only user of GNU features. OS X ports many of these as too. So GNU and Linux are not synonymous.
still can anyone even write down a phonetic pronunciation of GNU / OS X / BSD
but really the better way to go is to net-boot os-X.
Finally, I dont see why you need a FW dirive at all. just mount the disks over ethernet. if your lucky enough to have gigbit ethernet ports on your macs its even faster than firewire. (skip the router and just use a cross-over cable maco-a-maco.
and the burner is set on low.
There's a way we could satisfy both sides. No one would object--I hope-- to the consumer fast-forwarding over the naughty-bits if they chose to. So if clean flicks, instead of editing, simply gave you a programmable remote (perhpas it could "watch" the screen for an embedded signal invisble to humans, or better yet use the close captioning track). then it could fast forward for you. No actual deletion of media.
Anyhow that's hypothetical. Just to make the point that there's nothing wrong with editing a film--the viewer has this right.
Hmmm good point. but i think it can be finessed. Suppose we do a little steganography. we embed some tiny problem in a larger one we want to compute. for example suppose the task was to find 100 best fit lines to 100 sets of points. We send 101 sets of points, one of which is our "test" set. the server wont know which one it's going to be graded on so it has to do all 101.
look many ISPs already claim spam is costing them >25% of their bandwidth. and waht is it costing you. this seems cheap to me.
. The term for this, if you dont know, is taken from the sheep farming term "tragedy of the commons".
So this is a great idea, because the commodity I have to pay with is something I have for free but in limited quantity. No not belly button lint, though that would do too. But excess computer cycles. when I am composing an e-mail message, my computer is mostly idling.
Further more, who says the problem being solved has to be unproductive. Why dont we turn this into a distributed computing problem. for example, some unsolved math problemor Seti-at-home kind of thing. Or maybe one could even have a central arbiter that would rent out this distributed computing time for actual money.
Now onto some minor objections to this. A computer that issues a challenge when receiving an e-mail is by defintion saying "I exist!" thus alerting the spammer of your existence. No not a big deal since ping and other network resolvers can do similar things.
Yep. its pretty simple really. only you cant see it.