Okay, I'd like to reiterate that this movie is not about a witch, but about a woman who was falsely accused of a crime and banished from her home and her spirit seeks revenge for the wrong done to her.
Witches don't kill people. They don't spook people in the woods, and they don't put bloody pieces of people in flannel mojo bags.
The reason it didn't seem like acting is because a lot of it wasn't. The directors dumped these three kids off the in the woods and said "Okay, we're going to mess with your heads and stuff so just react and tape it as you would normally be." and the only acting directions they got were, like, notes left on trees and stuff...
As a witch who only recently moved from Memphis and was part of the wiccan/pagan community there for years, I'm appalled you would say "anything to get on TV." The pagan community in Memphis and surrounding areas has fought for years to try to be respected by the general public who has stereotyped and persecuted them. Yes, I think assuming that the movie would start real life witch hunts is a bit over the top. I WILL grant you that. The movie is fiction and has little to nothing to do with witches, but the fact of the matter is that some people see it as a possibility that once again it might portray witches in a negative light. In a community which houses some of the largest southern baptist churches in the country, the witches and pagans in Memphis have had a neverending struggle to fight public ignorance about the truth about our beliefs. We don't go out of our way to get on TV or to get press but when given the opportunity, we like to share our feelings and beliefs with others because as a general rule we are overlooked greatly by society.
So yes, while I agree with you that they may have overreacted, don't forget the negative press and the religious persecution we have endured for years and will continue to endure with mentalities like the one you seem to house. Many of us have lost jobs, homes, friends, and family because we choose to believe differently that the so-called "norm"
Now, I for one LOVED the movie and it truly spooked me... I may never camp again.
Selena FireSinger National Co-Director and PA Rep. for Pagans in Action Council for Truth Member of Summerland Grove Pagan Church, Memphis, TN Member of Sylverwood Circle, Memphis, TN Representative of the Sacred Earth Alliance -- Shadowcat
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I purchased my palm because of organization. I was one of those people who bought day timers and never used them and when I was given and opportunity to buy a friend of mine's palm, it was wonderful. Instead of lugging around a huge book, everything I could need is in a little hand held device.
I do, however, work with a guy who codes on his palm and he has used it so much the touch screen has a lot of scoring on it.
You're failing to see my point here. The point is, parents are paying for their kids to be supervised, not left alone to play without adults around.
"...we had day care workers leave kids out on the playground unsupervised..."
That right there is my point... the word "unsupervised". All children should be allowed to explore and play, yes, but when people are shelling out money for their children to be watched, the day care workers are being paid to keep an eye on the kids. Leaving a child outside unsupervised is just an accident waiting to happen. It's one thing for a parent to make that decision. It's another for someone unrelated to the child whose job it is to look out for their well-being while their parents are unable to.
Okay, what about the people who have lost their jobs and they only job they can get doesn't pay enough so their spouse has to work, hm? What about the woman whose husband has run out on her? Is she supposed to not work and stay home with her child and end up on the street? What about people who have been thrown a curve ball in the middle of their life and have to try to scrape a living?
I was in daycare because my mother wanted to provide me with the best education she could. So she went back to work in order to pay the other half of the tuition that my scholarship didn't cover (and yes, this was elementary school... K-3rd grade) She wanted the best for me and sacrificed for me and worked her butt off to ensure I got an opportunity to live up to my "gifted" potential.
I was in daycare and turned out just fine. I have a good job, a wonderful relationship, and a comfortable living. I don't subscribe to the theory that kids are better off if the parents are home with them. Kids are going to be rebellious with or without their parents around. The trick is making sure they are taught right from wrong and know the consequences of their actions.
It's really sad what day care centers have come to. Heck, even when I was a child, things went on at day care centers that would have qualified as neglect or abuse nowadays. I remember being confined to the corner for reading some older kid's t-shirt outloud because it was highly offensive, yet nothing was done to the child WEARING the shirt because they didn't want to be bothered. I remember them forcing my little brother (who was only 5 at the time) to eat an entire bar of soap... and they didn't even TRY to consult my mother before administering this type of unusual - and potentially harmful - punishment. We never had children disappear from the premises, however we had day care workers leave kids out on the playground unsupervised when it was time to come inside just because they didn't feel like chasing them down... and I guess they didn't realize how easy it is to climb over a cyclone fence.
I know many people fault parents for not spending time with their children, but in the modern world where both parents need to work to make ends meet, day care is often the only solution the have for supervision during work hours. It is a shame that while society is forced to have to trust in other people for the well-being of their children that often those who are put in charge don't keep up with their duties as they should and then the industry itself gets a bad name. Inadequate training is often a contributing factor to the low quality of child care. I happen to know many of the workers in centers are often high school students who are working during the summer, or graduates who have no official training or certification.
I don't know about you, but if I'm going to entrust the life and health of a child to someone for the duration of 8+ hours then they'd better have a piece of paper to show me they know how.
Thanks for posting that. I certainly can empathize with them, since I do subscribe to Celtic and Native American belief systems. I see their point, but at the same time I also see the validity of the tests and even see the point of the burial. Technically, people are buried on "sacred ground" in other religions as it is. (i.e. Cemeteries, etc.)
While I share your concern for the environment and such, I also feel that it would be nice seeing our tax dollars used to their fullest extent instead of simply letting an unuseable hunk of metal float around in space like the rest of them.
Besides, if it bothers you that much to think we're leaving our "trash" on the moon, we CAN retrieve the darn thing that way. Plus, this may be a way to start colonization on the moon, which might be a wonderful solution to earth's overpopulation issues (i.e. China, Japan, etc.)
Yes, the human race may spread like a virus a-la-The-Matrix-quote, but we also reason and can think consequences out. I have faith in NASA that this may be the first step to truly exploring the moon in depth.
This makes me wonder WHY a company their size seems to be buying up all these companies that develop FREE programs (i.e. Mirabilis, etc.) Are they planning on screwing us over any time soon by making them paid programs? I already had developped a distaste for AOL but this really reinforces my feelings that they're just money-grubbing morons. Snatch up the free and make the users pay... even $19.95 a month wasn't enough for them for their access.. they had to raise it. Don't their stupid little popup windows make enough for them on their service? Makes me glad I got a real ISP -- Shadowcat
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Okay, I'd like to reiterate that this movie is not about a witch, but about a woman who was falsely accused of a crime and banished from her home and her spirit seeks revenge for the wrong done to her.
Witches don't kill people. They don't spook people in the woods, and they don't put bloody pieces of people in flannel mojo bags.
-- Shadowcat
The reason it didn't seem like acting is because a lot of it wasn't. The directors dumped these three kids off the in the woods and said "Okay, we're going to mess with your heads and stuff so just react and tape it as you would normally be." and the only acting directions they got were, like, notes left on trees and stuff...
-- Shadowcat
As a witch who only recently moved from Memphis and was part of the wiccan/pagan community there for years, I'm appalled you would say "anything to get on TV." The pagan community in Memphis and surrounding areas has fought for years to try to be respected by the general public who has stereotyped and persecuted them. Yes, I think assuming that the movie would start real life witch hunts is a bit over the top. I WILL grant you that. The movie is fiction and has little to nothing to do with witches, but the fact of the matter is that some people see it as a possibility that once again it might portray witches in a negative light. In a community which houses some of the largest southern baptist churches in the country, the witches and pagans in Memphis have had a neverending struggle to fight public ignorance about the truth about our beliefs. We don't go out of our way to get on TV or to get press but when given the opportunity, we like to share our feelings and beliefs with others because as a general rule we are overlooked greatly by society.
So yes, while I agree with you that they may have overreacted, don't forget the negative press and the religious persecution we have endured for years and will continue to endure with mentalities like the one you seem to house. Many of us have lost jobs, homes, friends, and family because we choose to believe differently that the so-called "norm"
Now, I for one LOVED the movie and it truly spooked me... I may never camp again.
Selena FireSinger
National Co-Director and PA Rep. for Pagans in Action Council for Truth
Member of Summerland Grove Pagan Church, Memphis, TN
Member of Sylverwood Circle, Memphis, TN
Representative of the Sacred Earth Alliance
-- Shadowcat
I purchased my palm because of organization. I was one of those people who bought day timers and never used them and when I was given and opportunity to buy a friend of mine's palm, it was wonderful. Instead of lugging around a huge book, everything I could need is in a little hand held device.
I do, however, work with a guy who codes on his palm and he has used it so much the touch screen has a lot of scoring on it.
-- Shadowcat
You're failing to see my point here. The point is, parents are paying for their kids to be supervised, not left alone to play without adults around.
"...we had day care workers leave kids out on the playground unsupervised..."
That right there is my point... the word "unsupervised". All children should be allowed to explore and play, yes, but when people are shelling out money for their children to be watched, the day care workers are being paid to keep an eye on the kids. Leaving a child outside unsupervised is just an accident waiting to happen. It's one thing for a parent to make that decision. It's another for someone unrelated to the child whose job it is to look out for their well-being while their parents are unable to.
-- Shadowcat
Okay, what about the people who have lost their jobs and they only job they can get doesn't pay enough so their spouse has to work, hm? What about the woman whose husband has run out on her? Is she supposed to not work and stay home with her child and end up on the street? What about people who have been thrown a curve ball in the middle of their life and have to try to scrape a living?
I was in daycare because my mother wanted to provide me with the best education she could. So she went back to work in order to pay the other half of the tuition that my scholarship didn't cover (and yes, this was elementary school... K-3rd grade) She wanted the best for me and sacrificed for me and worked her butt off to ensure I got an opportunity to live up to my "gifted" potential.
I was in daycare and turned out just fine. I have a good job, a wonderful relationship, and a comfortable living. I don't subscribe to the theory that kids are better off if the parents are home with them. Kids are going to be rebellious with or without their parents around. The trick is making sure they are taught right from wrong and know the consequences of their actions.
-- Shadowcat
Excuse me, but where the heck did THAT come from? That is a totally unrelated topic that I'm not even going to get into at this time...
:)
Don't put words in my mouth. If I'm going to say something, I'll say it myself.
-- Shadowcat
It's really sad what day care centers have come to. Heck, even when I was a child, things went on at day care centers that would have qualified as neglect or abuse nowadays. I remember being confined to the corner for reading some older kid's t-shirt outloud because it was highly offensive, yet nothing was done to the child WEARING the shirt because they didn't want to be bothered. I remember them forcing my little brother (who was only 5 at the time) to eat an entire bar of soap... and they didn't even TRY to consult my mother before administering this type of unusual - and potentially harmful - punishment. We never had children disappear from the premises, however we had day care workers leave kids out on the playground unsupervised when it was time to come inside just because they didn't feel like chasing them down... and I guess they didn't realize how easy it is to climb over a cyclone fence.
I know many people fault parents for not spending time with their children, but in the modern world where both parents need to work to make ends meet, day care is often the only solution the have for supervision during work hours. It is a shame that while society is forced to have to trust in other people for the well-being of their children that often those who are put in charge don't keep up with their duties as they should and then the industry itself gets a bad name. Inadequate training is often a contributing factor to the low quality of child care. I happen to know many of the workers in centers are often high school students who are working during the summer, or graduates who have no official training or certification.
I don't know about you, but if I'm going to entrust the life and health of a child to someone for the duration of 8+ hours then they'd better have a piece of paper to show me they know how.
-- Shadowcat
Thanks for posting that. I certainly can empathize with them, since I do subscribe to Celtic and Native American belief systems. I see their point, but at the same time I also see the validity of the tests and even see the point of the burial. Technically, people are buried on "sacred ground" in other religions as it is. (i.e. Cemeteries, etc.)
-- Shadowcat
Then I apologize for that. That was what I was taught in school (says a lot for the South, doesn't it?)
:)
I am a big enough girl to admit when I'm wrong
-- Shadowcat
You know, I'm starting to agree with the guy who said we should have a spell-checker implemented..
It's "permanently" and it's "LLM" not "LM" (LLM stands for Lunar Landing Module)
Just a little pet peeve of mine... if you're not going to leave a name, at least make sure you look intelligent when you type...
-- Shadowcat
While I share your concern for the environment and such, I also feel that it would be nice seeing our tax dollars used to their fullest extent instead of simply letting an unuseable hunk of metal float around in space like the rest of them.
Besides, if it bothers you that much to think we're leaving our "trash" on the moon, we CAN retrieve the darn thing that way. Plus, this may be a way to start colonization on the moon, which might be a wonderful solution to earth's overpopulation issues (i.e. China, Japan, etc.)
Yes, the human race may spread like a virus a-la-The-Matrix-quote, but we also reason and can think consequences out. I have faith in NASA that this may be the first step to truly exploring the moon in depth.
-- Shadowcat
This makes me wonder WHY a company their size seems to be buying up all these companies that develop FREE programs (i.e. Mirabilis, etc.) Are they planning on screwing us over any time soon by making them paid programs? I already had developped a distaste for AOL but this really reinforces my feelings that they're just money-grubbing morons. Snatch up the free and make the users pay... even $19.95 a month wasn't enough for them for their access.. they had to raise it. Don't their stupid little popup windows make enough for them on their service? Makes me glad I got a real ISP
-- Shadowcat