Oh for god’s sake, people!! And now he got a +5, Informative TOO!
And I try to write intelligent, page-long, deeply thought about comments, and get -1 Troll from some loser (who is probably in his underpants), because... well... he thinks I’m totally right... but hates me for showing him what he repressed?
And yet another “I don’t get the depth of what you said in the slightest, and don’t even want to. Because I have no experience in life and never thought about anything deeply. But this goes against my primitive beliefs that I cling to, to give my weak life meaning. So I disagree and would like to censor”.
There’s a difference between what you have and what you need. I have a computer and all that stuff. But that doesn’t mean I need it.
The difference is, that if I suddenly don’t have any of it anyone (e.g. by it all burning down), I don’t die. Not even close. You know how I know that? Because I’ve lived trough that already. (Not the burning though.)
All you really need, is: Air, food/water, shelter, and other people. That’s it. Even clothes are definitely optional.
I prescribe you: One watching of Fight Club. To get you back on the ground again with your IKEA plaids. ^^
I bet on a smooth migration: Symbian will live on in lower-end phones (where buyers don’t want to pay for new development.) and get a bit straightened out. And it parallel, Maemo Linux will grow out of infancy.
But ultimately Maemo will be the main system of the future, yes.
Nice, how you backed that “argument” up with facts... oh wait, you didn’t.
I could say “that’s your opinion” if you had any backing up. I could even agree if you had good argument. But since you came to the table with *nothing*, I’ll stay with my 10 years of experience with Symbian devices.
And I must say from a user perspective, they are freakin’ great! Symbian did always beat any other phone OS I knew. Now finally, there are others who catch up. But this does not mean that Symbian is bad. Far from it. I have a 5800, and really like it. Despite me really hating touchscreen-only devices.
And what does Nokia do? Raise the bar by a another whole league, by adding full-root-access-with-a-nice-gui Linux out-of-the-box!! That’s exactly what MacOS X won with. The best of Linux/Unix/BSD, with a good UI. So I agree on the “so far away from any othe the other phone OS's, that there just will be no contest”.:)
In my eyes, there was no “pile of shit” time anywhere between 1st gen S60 and Maemo Linux. Maybe the contrast was too high for you, so still be able to see S60v5 as something good.;)
P.S.: Yes, I went a bit “fanboy” here. Go ahead. Out-fanboy me, iPhone users. I don’t care for locked-in worlds. ^^
About lockdown with nokia phones. I just debranded (and thereby delocked and everything) a Nokia 5800 yesterday. Six times, just to see the differences. It’s so easy it’s a joke. there is a site with *all* product codes. Even for weird mods of weird operators in weird countries, one for every color (so the theme adapts). You use a tool called NSS, change the product code to whatever you like, and re-run Nokia’n own firmware update tool. Done. You don’t even lose and data. (You can and should make a backup anyway though.:)
No stupid non-removable icons, no disabled function.
I use it every night as a remote control with putty (with touch ui) for symbian, to tell my media server to play a shoutcast stream via my big sound system. Very nice. I chat in every thinkable network (icq, msn, sip, skype, jabber, facebook, etc, etc) *with* full audio and video support (if the network supports it). by using Nimbuzz and Fring. I surf for porn with the built-in browser and wikipedia with Opera.
I can install whatever I want. No stupid jailbreaking, no shit. I could even flash Linux to it.
It basically has become my netbook. Because the only difference left, is that everything is tiny. ^^
I think “x in y” does not mean what you think it means. ^^
And damn, if it is a great language, and if the language does not let those who can’t programs it create a running program (as is the case with Haskell), and that means that only 1% of those who write website scripts can continue to do so, then that is exactly how it’s supposed to be!
There’s no worse thing than dumbing your design down, because of some retards. Even if those are 99% of the users. It only means that 1. you got no spine to stand behind what you think is good, 2. you are telling nature to create “better” idiots, until the bell curve is in balance again, 3. your whole concept is futile, as there will always someone too dumb for it who will complain, 4. you revert the nice and clean plan of nature, to let him lose the game of natural selection if he does not wise up, and thereby 5. you will be one of those being responsible for pushing us into full-scale Idiocracy.
So I really hope I misunderstood you, and that was not what you were saying.:D
Oh what people with no spine can achieve... Like no change at all because of fear of not being loved anymore. Or like adding Clippy to your Office suite for the same reason. Or imitating MS Office with your Office suite just to be loved. Or imitating the main OS, for the same reason.
Instead of having the balls to stand behind what you think for a decade: “Oh boy is that a piece of outdated shit, I wish we could replace it by something that actually fits the decade!”
P.S.: No, mentioning a bad architecture, like Itanium, is not going to put a dent into that argument. ^^ Just like acting as if switching to a good architecture and making a clear cut would be mutually exclusive, which they are not. Also even a great concept can fall, if those who should support it, have no spine, and cave in to the retards and uninformed, despite knowing that it’s a great concept.
Well, that my friend, was why Haskell was invented.
Massive parallelism? Check. (by being a lazy functional programming language) Automatic clustering! Check. (The language can easily do it. The compiler just isn’t there yet. But you can already do it with a bit of code in a library.) Fault tolerance? Check. (Haskell goes further, but not allowing compilation when it could fail. Of course, since the other parts of the system are not that reliable, the IO still can fail.) Single system image? Isn’t that the same thing as automatic clustering? Oh, and I would NOT want my desktop os, to automatically “cluster” to all my other PCs in the network. Just no.
Yes you think you are funny. But in fact you can... If you have a spine (own sense of reality) to do it.
I have it. And I could get us to the next Star if I had the right budget to do it.
Why do people always think they can’t achieve shit? Do you think the guy who started the project to bring us to the moon, was someone special? Or Benz? Or Einstein? Nah. The only difference: They believed in themselves, knew themselves well enough to keep up the motivational balance (not to hard and not to easy, but as “just right” as possible), and knew how to structure things in a way that they never ran over their internal memory limit (of remembering 6-10 things at a time) and by having proper associative groupings.
Guess what: You can do just that too. You just don’t let yourself, because you thing you can’t, because that is what you were told and believed all your life. Thanks social conditioning!
If you think JavaScript is a crime against humanity,
In other words “If you can’t program, or if you can’t tell JavaScript from Java or Python,”.
The new versions of JS are really sweet. But most “web-developers” can’t even write proper code in the old one. Which is quickly visible, if you enable strict warnings, and force the interpreter to the newest version. Most scripts throw warnings or fail after that.
I say JS and Python are on par with each other. But they use very different paradigms. JS uses prototypes. And that is what most people do not understand. See it like this: Everything is an object (including functions, which allows really powerful functional programming), everything can be written literally (including objects with functions), and everything has a prototype on which it is based and can be the prototype for other objects/prototypes.
So you build your object, and then use it as a prototype to create other objects with added functionality or changed data. The elegance of this is, that inheriting and instantiation really becomes the same thing. And in my eyes, the less rules a language needs, while still having all the power, the better and more elegant it is.
It’s crazy how, with the newest version, I can write it nearly 1:1 like I would write it in Haskell! You can’t imagine how happy I was, when I noticed that I would practically a “scriptable Haskell in the browser”. Of course it does not have the type strictness of Haskell. But that is kinda the point.
It even has regular expression literals.
What’s a bit messy, is DOM. Perhaps because it’s a “design by committee with no own sense of reality” (= no leadership) API.
Then again, I’m all for more languages in the browser. Python, Ruby, Lua, Erlang, Haskell and Java are good candidates. C/C++ and Perl are not. (Perhaps Perl 6 in 2051. ^^)
Interestingly, I found out this week, that there are companies in Germany, that offer you not a “up to”, but at “at least” bandwidth. The Telekom (ex-government, usually pretty expensive and backwards, owns the last mile) is one of them.
The emphasis in on “attempt”. I think they will fail. this is Google after all.
If I were Google, I’d simply create some strange little errors in the search engine for everybody using those carriers, in a way that it will be blamed on them. ^^
Here's the deal: be realistic. No company's going to offer you a "fully open" cell phone simply because there aren't any fully open operating systems for smart phones out there,
I can’t comment on the N900 Maemo being “beta”m but it definitely is a “fully open” cell phone. You her root right out of the box. The boot loader even is replaceable. What more could you want?
About the 5800: They already have a great successor, that is like the N900 but with Symbian. Like a 5800 with a full keyboard added to it. I think it’s called the N97. I’d recommend it over the 5800, because the 5800 has no real physical buttons (just like the iPhone), which is unacceptable.
Uuum, just buy a Nokia N900 without a plan. It’s a bit expensive (<600€/<$900), but you get a real small computer that still is a fully-fledged phone, with a iPhone-like touchscreen, a full keyboard, Linux with root access right out of the box, and a bazillion of functions. Including everything that you mentioned above. Even the graphical interface is great.
If you can’t get it where you live, I can help you buy it here and have it sent over.
I’m planning on buying one too. I’m not affiliated, but all their support for Qt/KDE and that phone really made me have some respect for them.
Well, I guess since the Steve Jobs reality distortion bubble is a chemical and biological weapon, because it changes the chemistry and biology of the brains of the affected, you could sue them for anti-competitive behavior (hindering the development of competing reality distortion bubbles), to get that clause removed. ^^
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Oh for god’s sake, people!! And now he got a +5, Informative TOO!
And I try to write intelligent, page-long, deeply thought about comments, and get -1 Troll from some loser (who is probably in his underpants), because... well... he thinks I’m totally right... but hates me for showing him what he repressed?
What is wrong with the world??
-1, Troll? Yeah right.
And yet another “I don’t get the depth of what you said in the slightest, and don’t even want to. Because I have no experience in life and never thought about anything deeply. But this goes against my primitive beliefs that I cling to, to give my weak life meaning. So I disagree and would like to censor”.
Weak, people... Weak!
There’s a difference between what you have and what you need.
I have a computer and all that stuff. But that doesn’t mean I need it.
The difference is, that if I suddenly don’t have any of it anyone (e.g. by it all burning down), I don’t die. Not even close.
You know how I know that? Because I’ve lived trough that already. (Not the burning though.)
All you really need, is: Air, food/water, shelter, and other people. That’s it. Even clothes are definitely optional.
I prescribe you: One watching of Fight Club. To get you back on the ground again with your IKEA plaids. ^^
Yes. :P
I bet on a smooth migration: Symbian will live on in lower-end phones (where buyers don’t want to pay for new development.) and get a bit straightened out.
And it parallel, Maemo Linux will grow out of infancy.
But ultimately Maemo will be the main system of the future, yes.
Nice, how you backed that “argument” up with facts... oh wait, you didn’t.
I could say “that’s your opinion” if you had any backing up. I could even agree if you had good argument.
But since you came to the table with *nothing*, I’ll stay with my 10 years of experience with Symbian devices.
And I must say from a user perspective, they are freakin’ great! Symbian did always beat any other phone OS I knew.
Now finally, there are others who catch up. But this does not mean that Symbian is bad. Far from it. I have a 5800, and really like it.
Despite me really hating touchscreen-only devices.
And what does Nokia do? Raise the bar by a another whole league, by adding full-root-access-with-a-nice-gui Linux out-of-the-box!! :)
That’s exactly what MacOS X won with. The best of Linux/Unix/BSD, with a good UI.
So I agree on the “so far away from any othe the other phone OS's, that there just will be no contest”.
In my eyes, there was no “pile of shit” time anywhere between 1st gen S60 and Maemo Linux. ;)
Maybe the contrast was too high for you, so still be able to see S60v5 as something good.
P.S.: Yes, I went a bit “fanboy” here. Go ahead. Out-fanboy me, iPhone users. I don’t care for locked-in worlds. ^^
About lockdown with nokia phones. I just debranded (and thereby delocked and everything) a Nokia 5800 yesterday. Six times, just to see the differences. It’s so easy it’s a joke. there is a site with *all* product codes. Even for weird mods of weird operators in weird countries, one for every color (so the theme adapts). You use a tool called NSS, change the product code to whatever you like, and re-run Nokia’n own firmware update tool. Done. You don’t even lose and data. (You can and should make a backup anyway though. :)
No stupid non-removable icons, no disabled function.
I use it every night as a remote control with putty (with touch ui) for symbian, to tell my media server to play a shoutcast stream via my big sound system. Very nice. I chat in every thinkable network (icq, msn, sip, skype, jabber, facebook, etc, etc) *with* full audio and video support (if the network supports it). by using Nimbuzz and Fring.
I surf for porn with the built-in browser and wikipedia with Opera.
I can install whatever I want. No stupid jailbreaking, no shit. I could even flash Linux to it.
It basically has become my netbook. Because the only difference left, is that everything is tiny. ^^
I think “x in y” does not mean what you think it means. ^^
And damn, if it is a great language, and if the language does not let those who can’t programs it create a running program (as is the case with Haskell), and that means that only 1% of those who write website scripts can continue to do so, then that is exactly how it’s supposed to be!
There’s no worse thing than dumbing your design down, because of some retards. Even if those are 99% of the users. It only means that 1. you got no spine to stand behind what you think is good, 2. you are telling nature to create “better” idiots, until the bell curve is in balance again, 3. your whole concept is futile, as there will always someone too dumb for it who will complain, 4. you revert the nice and clean plan of nature, to let him lose the game of natural selection if he does not wise up, and thereby 5. you will be one of those being responsible for pushing us into full-scale Idiocracy.
So I really hope I misunderstood you, and that was not what you were saying. :D
...the crappy x86 architecture.
Oh what people with no spine can achieve... Like no change at all because of fear of not being loved anymore. Or like adding Clippy to your Office suite for the same reason. Or imitating MS Office with your Office suite just to be loved. Or imitating the main OS, for the same reason.
Instead of having the balls to stand behind what you think for a decade: “Oh boy is that a piece of outdated shit, I wish we could replace it by something that actually fits the decade!”
P.S.: No, mentioning a bad architecture, like Itanium, is not going to put a dent into that argument. ^^ Just like acting as if switching to a good architecture and making a clear cut would be mutually exclusive, which they are not. Also even a great concept can fall, if those who should support it, have no spine, and cave in to the retards and uninformed, despite knowing that it’s a great concept.
What is Cluster 9??
Oh wait...
Well, that my friend, was why Haskell was invented.
Massive parallelism? Check. (by being a lazy functional programming language)
Automatic clustering! Check. (The language can easily do it. The compiler just isn’t there yet. But you can already do it with a bit of code in a library.)
Fault tolerance? Check. (Haskell goes further, but not allowing compilation when it could fail. Of course, since the other parts of the system are not that reliable, the IO still can fail.)
Single system image? Isn’t that the same thing as automatic clustering? Oh, and I would NOT want my desktop os, to automatically “cluster” to all my other PCs in the network. Just no.
Yes you think you are funny. But in fact you can... If you have a spine (own sense of reality) to do it.
I have it. And I could get us to the next Star if I had the right budget to do it.
Why do people always think they can’t achieve shit? Do you think the guy who started the project to bring us to the moon, was someone special? Or Benz? Or Einstein?
Nah. The only difference: They believed in themselves, knew themselves well enough to keep up the motivational balance (not to hard and not to easy, but as “just right” as possible), and knew how to structure things in a way that they never ran over their internal memory limit (of remembering 6-10 things at a time) and by having proper associative groupings.
Guess what: You can do just that too. You just don’t let yourself, because you thing you can’t, because that is what you were told and believed all your life.
Thanks social conditioning!
What do nuclear bombs, Scheme subsets or individual taxpayer identification numbers have to do with it?
If you think JavaScript is a crime against humanity,
In other words “If you can’t program, or if you can’t tell JavaScript from Java or Python,”.
The new versions of JS are really sweet. But most “web-developers” can’t even write proper code in the old one. Which is quickly visible, if you enable strict warnings, and force the interpreter to the newest version. Most scripts throw warnings or fail after that.
I say JS and Python are on par with each other. But they use very different paradigms. JS uses prototypes. And that is what most people do not understand. See it like this: Everything is an object (including functions, which allows really powerful functional programming), everything can be written literally (including objects with functions), and everything has a prototype on which it is based and can be the prototype for other objects/prototypes.
So you build your object, and then use it as a prototype to create other objects with added functionality or changed data.
The elegance of this is, that inheriting and instantiation really becomes the same thing. And in my eyes, the less rules a language needs, while still having all the power, the better and more elegant it is.
It’s crazy how, with the newest version, I can write it nearly 1:1 like I would write it in Haskell! You can’t imagine how happy I was, when I noticed that I would practically a “scriptable Haskell in the browser”. Of course it does not have the type strictness of Haskell. But that is kinda the point.
It even has regular expression literals.
What’s a bit messy, is DOM. Perhaps because it’s a “design by committee with no own sense of reality” (= no leadership) API.
Then again, I’m all for more languages in the browser. Python, Ruby, Lua, Erlang, Haskell and Java are good candidates. C/C++ and Perl are not. (Perhaps Perl 6 in 2051. ^^)
For that price and overkill, it better be fast as hell! ^^
Interestingly, I found out this week, that there are companies in Germany, that offer you not a “up to”, but at “at least” bandwidth. The Telekom (ex-government, usually pretty expensive and backwards, owns the last mile) is one of them.
They will most likely put the prototypes in default covers, just like the car makers use old bodies to test their new car platforms etc.
The emphasis in on “attempt”. I think they will fail. this is Google after all.
If I were Google, I’d simply create some strange little errors in the search engine for everybody using those carriers, in a way that it will be blamed on them. ^^
Here's the deal: be realistic. No company's going to offer you a "fully open" cell phone simply because there aren't any fully open operating systems for smart phones out there,
I can’t comment on the N900 Maemo being “beta”m but it definitely is a “fully open” cell phone. You her root right out of the box. The boot loader even is replaceable. What more could you want?
About the 5800: They already have a great successor, that is like the N900 but with Symbian. Like a 5800 with a full keyboard added to it. I think it’s called the N97. I’d recommend it over the 5800, because the 5800 has no real physical buttons (just like the iPhone), which is unacceptable.
Uuum, just buy a Nokia N900 without a plan. It’s a bit expensive (<600€/<$900), but you get a real small computer that still is a fully-fledged phone, with a iPhone-like touchscreen, a full keyboard, Linux with root access right out of the box, and a bazillion of functions. Including everything that you mentioned above.
Even the graphical interface is great.
If you can’t get it where you live, I can help you buy it here and have it sent over.
I’m planning on buying one too. I’m not affiliated, but all their support for Qt/KDE and that phone really made me have some respect for them.
But what about the polymers that they are coated in??
Did’t you know that since the 14th, the head of all Slashdot editors will explode, if they don’t release at least one Apple article on average?
Seriously! Check for yourself:
http://slashdot.org/index2.pl?fhfilter=apple
http://slashdot.org/index2.pl?fhfilter=iphone
My guess is that it’s some “better bad news than no news” viral advertisement deal.
What they didn’t mention: “drafted in plain or intelligible NEWSPEAK language” ^^
Depends.
Lil Wayne: Definitely not.
Scroobious Pip: Oh hell yeah!
Well, I guess since the Steve Jobs reality distortion bubble is a chemical and biological weapon, because it changes the chemistry and biology of the brains of the affected, you could sue them for anti-competitive behavior (hindering the development of competing reality distortion bubbles), to get that clause removed. ^^
The moon was mankind's primary source of light before the advent of fire
You mean they were vampires and could not stand that giant big glowing ball that we call the sun? ^^