Different populations of bacteria can have an effect on our health, good or bad. Ergo, you want to catch the bacteria of healthy people. Ergo one should have sex and "taste/inoculate" oneself with healthy, thin people. Also obesity is similarly contagious so avoid oral/fecal contact with fatties. This is so classic a concept. Its ironic that people 1000 years ago probably believed this, and in fact it may stand up to science.
outside our world means we have given up on our world. Just enjoy your life, as technology is accelerating and soon we will move too fast and become a Black Hole which, by the way, are other civilizations enjoying the orgasm of technology and ending. The universe does not allow systems so knowledgeable that they can traverse space. A society powerful enough to travel would know all answers to everything instantly and that is its death knell. Its the Fermi paradox sorta. So looking for life is a belief system that is irrelevant like trying to beat our own lives. Might as well enjoy life, try to save the coral reefs.......
In the big picture, DNA and life are just giant software programs. So they just discoverd 94 new utilities. We humans are trying to reverse engineer the code of life. When we succeed that will be endgame. There will be no need for economies if we have the power of life at our fingertips. AKA God. Programming in C++ or whatever are other attempts that will be superseeded by other languages. I predict ultimately the only thing valuable left on earth when we can program life will be life itself, the real evolved stuff, not the human created stuff that will become a commodity.
So appreciate these 94 cos whatever is going to happen will happen soon, 50 years, extinction of them or us - and we have horrendous weapons - my bet is on 30 of these species outlasting humanity!
I am not a programmer but pretty handy with PC's. I recently got a computer virus that annihilated my PC so I switched to Mac for security purposes. Overall I like it on many levels, except its not so hot with Media. I got TONS of media from all over the place. My PC played it all and I created my own directory structure that worked for me. Here in macville I often find myself unable to play things or manage them or edit them. Mac seems to have high end editing functionality but for average power users like me with tons of pics, mp3, videos it sucks! iTunes wants to organize and bring everything into libraries, quicktime is sorta lame.
Irony
In the big picture I agree, a recent hypothesis is that cooked food contributed to brain size etc like you say. On the other hand, TODAY I do sort of calorie restricted eating and my brain power is excellent. So what we consider not eating much is still probably more than we need to think well. When I eat less I get very hyper and adrenalized and my productivity goes up. Eat too much and I slow doooowwwnnnnnn
Its NOT superficially logical, but eating less is much better than exercise to lose weight! But exercise sounds appealing and people can sell it to you - capitalism. Whereas it is difficult to make money from eating less. Thus capitalism is so deeply entrenched even in science and logic that it seems illogical that exercise does not work well.
Just think how capitalistic our science is; spend thousands of dollars and do Protestent hard work to lose weight. Gym membership, Fancy bikes, work out clothes, protein supplement, personal trainer. No pain no gain. Compare this to the easy way- just eat less. No big deal, easy. Lazy. - How unamerican!
Micahel Pollan talks about this stuff, how 100 years ago everybody was thin and it was easy. Now everybody is highly educated and we are all fat. All very counterintuitive.
Watch as china gets capitalstic and gets fat...
To not regulate nano is like letting cancer cells run amok. The power of all technologies are so immenselly powerful that it would be foolish to not regulate them.
In nature all organisms are regulated - your immune system regulates the cells of your body. Anarchists - cancer cells are quickly killed or they take over.
The internet is a system that came to be without regulation, and look at the problems that are evolving with security.
Does anyone really think that regulating the inevitable miniaturization of technology will really slow anything down? China, Japan, Europe, Singapore, etc are all working on Miniaturizing. Even if we regulate will that make any diference for China? Perhaps not, but I think the rule should be the following that we can champion.
You should be able to stop or dissasemble anything you build.
That means no persistant nano molecules, and no grey goo either.
Technology is like a runaway freight train, accelerating downhill. Nobody can stop it but a driver would be nice, and a brakeman.
Remember the clock from high school, ~5 Billion years old, and humans started near 11:58!
The question is what time is it now, perhaps 11:59 and 59 seconds...... or 58 seconds perhaps. What happens when we hit 12:00?
I suspect that when Nanotech, AI, biotech & Mathematics answer all the questions there are in the next ~59 years, we hit 12:00 and zip-boom, the Universe implodes, then explodes, Big Bang and the clock starts over again.....
Personally, I would like to stretch out the remaining second we have, but them perhaps I am selfish
Genomik
A question that does not get raised below is that what happens to the other
99.9% of information that is not about terrorists? What about the majority of
society that does victimless crimes? Will they choose not to look at sex,
drugs, gambling, tax cheats, and other similar people with these tools? Ahhhh
sweet temptation on both sides.........
Currently there are two major camps of thought. The Government wants to watch everyone and not be watched. Privacy advocates want everyone to have massive encryption in order to hide and have privacy. The majority of the public has yet to enter the debate.
A concern is that after more terrorism happens, people will ask the government to implement surveillance - to watch us to find the terrorists in our midst.
By thinking today about the fair and effective implementation of surveillance, we can bring forward a debate about a third solution; Universal Transparency. Here, the government watches us, but we also watch the government, and everyone watches everyone!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universaltransparenc y
is the group to debate at.
Below is an article I made up. Whadya thinkin???? Erik
U.S. Surveillance Bill of Rights from:
PREFACE The purpose of the following document is to make an agreement with ourselves and government concerning the levels of surveillance (SV), freedom, privacy and other areas of imminent importance due primarily to technological innovation and weapons of mass destruction availability. Since there are new disruptive evolutionary forces at work in our society, we will need to adapt many of our systems, taking what is most important or pragmatic and shedding others. The most important belief that we want to carry forward is Freedom. To be American is to be free. This freedom must be protected but tempered too - there are practical limits. We may sacrifice some privacy, but in exchange gain more freedom. We believe this to be a pragmatic and implementable solution for most of our society. In order to stop individuals from acting as cancerous growths in our society by acting in terroristic ways, setting off chaos and mass destruction, we will have to utilize increasing SV. However, we want to maintain a lifestyle with maximum personal freedoms -- even more freedoms than are currently guaranteed in 2002. Individuals have freedoms in areas like religion, freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. The NEW rights protect against persecutions of individuals based on lifestyle choices - what we call Victimless Crimes. These may be defined as behaviors between consenting adults which do not harm any outside parties. Current laws dictate legal behavior based upon outdated and restrictive moral values and mainly are directed at actions related to Sex, Drugs and gambling. In the new paradigm, sexual orientation (straight, bi, homo, trysexual, etc) and drug use are not treated in any way as crimes. Drug abuse is treated as a medical condition. Sexual crimes (rape) are treated just as seriously as always. We must legally protect lifestyle choices as rights for an obvious and practial reason. Law enforcement agencies are increasingly using techniques of surveillance as these technologies grow ever more powerful and invisible. We see a trend towards all-pervasive surveillance as virtually inevitable. If we as a democracy accept this emergence of SV in the black and white terms of contemporary debate and simply agitate for privacy, we may find that one way or another we will be surveilled - it will simply be with our consent and knowledge (ie Transparency) or without. If we agree that surveillance is necessary to protect our society against the unlimited potential for individuals and small groups to wreak havoc on us (as demonstrated on 9/11), then we come against the reality that any attempt to implement surveillance today,would find that nearly half of our society would be considered criminals (mainly from lifestyle choices involving sex, drugs or gambling -- at some point in each citizen's life). Thus we may see a battle against surveillance that divides this nation right down the middle, with attempts to hamstring it in court or even engage in radical opposition. In either case, we would be inadvertently allowing terrorists to hide in the shadows and plot against us. So, do we want to make 50% of our own society enemies in our war, or just the real 1% of terrorists and violent criminals out there?. SV is done in all directions. Government can watch the people and people can watch the government and everyone can watch the media. Top-down, Bottom-up and Horizontally. What has made America great is that we have believed in our system and participated in all levels and have increased its transparency. There is no reason to stop now, we must gain even more control over government by eliminating as many walls as possible. Assumptions: There are at least 3 levels of crime: misdemeanors, felonies and chaos (weapons of mass destruction, 10 deaths or more) There are at least three levels of surveillance, high (1, camera mounted insects), medium (2, telephone listening) and low (3, ear level listening). In exchange for allowing the government to watch citizens with ever increasing surveillance, we provide the following articles: ARTICLES: 1) SV of all types is primarily used to watch for chaos or the planning of chaos. 2) SV is never to be used for misdemeanors of any type. 3) Sex, Drug and Gambling laws are repealed as the cost of enforcement to our society is too great 4) SV can be used for violent felonies and chaos only 5) SV of any type cannot be used for competitive business reasons 6) Anonymity must be guaranteed periodically for elections, whistelblowing and other specified areas. 7) SV is not used to enforce granular non violent personal choices. - kill yourself but no others! 8) Religion can be practiced until it incites chaos, genocide or war.
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Different populations of bacteria can have an effect on our health, good or bad. Ergo, you want to catch the bacteria of healthy people. Ergo one should have sex and "taste/inoculate" oneself with healthy, thin people. Also obesity is similarly contagious so avoid oral/fecal contact with fatties. This is so classic a concept. Its ironic that people 1000 years ago probably believed this, and in fact it may stand up to science.
outside our world means we have given up on our world. Just enjoy your life, as technology is accelerating and soon we will move too fast and become a Black Hole which, by the way, are other civilizations enjoying the orgasm of technology and ending. The universe does not allow systems so knowledgeable that they can traverse space. A society powerful enough to travel would know all answers to everything instantly and that is its death knell. Its the Fermi paradox sorta. So looking for life is a belief system that is irrelevant like trying to beat our own lives. Might as well enjoy life, try to save the coral reefs.......
In the big picture, DNA and life are just giant software programs. So they just discoverd 94 new utilities. We humans are trying to reverse engineer the code of life. When we succeed that will be endgame. There will be no need for economies if we have the power of life at our fingertips. AKA God. Programming in C++ or whatever are other attempts that will be superseeded by other languages. I predict ultimately the only thing valuable left on earth when we can program life will be life itself, the real evolved stuff, not the human created stuff that will become a commodity. So appreciate these 94 cos whatever is going to happen will happen soon, 50 years, extinction of them or us - and we have horrendous weapons - my bet is on 30 of these species outlasting humanity!
I am not a programmer but pretty handy with PC's. I recently got a computer virus that annihilated my PC so I switched to Mac for security purposes. Overall I like it on many levels, except its not so hot with Media. I got TONS of media from all over the place. My PC played it all and I created my own directory structure that worked for me. Here in macville I often find myself unable to play things or manage them or edit them. Mac seems to have high end editing functionality but for average power users like me with tons of pics, mp3, videos it sucks! iTunes wants to organize and bring everything into libraries, quicktime is sorta lame. Irony
indeed its obese with irony. Its the most absurd thing except for all the other absurd things in our fatheaded world.
In the big picture I agree, a recent hypothesis is that cooked food contributed to brain size etc like you say. On the other hand, TODAY I do sort of calorie restricted eating and my brain power is excellent. So what we consider not eating much is still probably more than we need to think well. When I eat less I get very hyper and adrenalized and my productivity goes up. Eat too much and I slow doooowwwnnnnnn
Its NOT superficially logical, but eating less is much better than exercise to lose weight! But exercise sounds appealing and people can sell it to you - capitalism. Whereas it is difficult to make money from eating less. Thus capitalism is so deeply entrenched even in science and logic that it seems illogical that exercise does not work well. Just think how capitalistic our science is; spend thousands of dollars and do Protestent hard work to lose weight. Gym membership, Fancy bikes, work out clothes, protein supplement, personal trainer. No pain no gain. Compare this to the easy way- just eat less. No big deal, easy. Lazy. - How unamerican! Micahel Pollan talks about this stuff, how 100 years ago everybody was thin and it was easy. Now everybody is highly educated and we are all fat. All very counterintuitive. Watch as china gets capitalstic and gets fat...
To not regulate nano is like letting cancer cells run amok. The power of all technologies are so immenselly powerful that it would be foolish to not regulate them. In nature all organisms are regulated - your immune system regulates the cells of your body. Anarchists - cancer cells are quickly killed or they take over. The internet is a system that came to be without regulation, and look at the problems that are evolving with security. Does anyone really think that regulating the inevitable miniaturization of technology will really slow anything down? China, Japan, Europe, Singapore, etc are all working on Miniaturizing. Even if we regulate will that make any diference for China? Perhaps not, but I think the rule should be the following that we can champion. You should be able to stop or dissasemble anything you build. That means no persistant nano molecules, and no grey goo either. Technology is like a runaway freight train, accelerating downhill. Nobody can stop it but a driver would be nice, and a brakeman.
Remember the clock from high school, ~5 Billion years old, and humans started near 11:58! The question is what time is it now, perhaps 11:59 and 59 seconds...... or 58 seconds perhaps. What happens when we hit 12:00? I suspect that when Nanotech, AI, biotech & Mathematics answer all the questions there are in the next ~59 years, we hit 12:00 and zip-boom, the Universe implodes, then explodes, Big Bang and the clock starts over again..... Personally, I would like to stretch out the remaining second we have, but them perhaps I am selfish Genomik
A question that does not get raised below is that what happens to the other 99.9% of information that is not about terrorists? What about the majority of society that does victimless crimes? Will they choose not to look at sex, drugs, gambling, tax cheats, and other similar people with these tools? Ahhhh sweet temptation on both sides......... Currently there are two major camps of thought. The Government wants to watch everyone and not be watched. Privacy advocates want everyone to have massive encryption in order to hide and have privacy. The majority of the public has yet to enter the debate. A concern is that after more terrorism happens, people will ask the government to implement surveillance - to watch us to find the terrorists in our midst. By thinking today about the fair and effective implementation of surveillance, we can bring forward a debate about a third solution; Universal Transparency. Here, the government watches us, but we also watch the government, and everyone watches everyone! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universaltransparenc y
is the group to debate at.
Below is an article I made up. Whadya thinkin????
Erik
U.S. Surveillance Bill of Rights
from:
PREFACE
The purpose of the following document is to make an agreement with ourselves and government concerning the levels of surveillance (SV), freedom, privacy and other areas of imminent importance due primarily to technological innovation and weapons of mass destruction availability. Since there are new disruptive evolutionary forces at work in our society, we will need to adapt many of our systems, taking what is most important or pragmatic and shedding others.
The most important belief that we want to carry forward is Freedom. To be American is to be free. This freedom must be protected but tempered too - there are practical limits. We may sacrifice some privacy, but in exchange gain more freedom. We believe this to be a pragmatic and implementable solution for most of our society.
In order to stop individuals from acting as cancerous growths in our society by acting in terroristic ways, setting off chaos and mass destruction, we will have to utilize increasing SV. However, we want to maintain a lifestyle with maximum personal freedoms -- even more freedoms than are currently guaranteed in 2002. Individuals have freedoms in areas like religion, freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. The NEW rights protect against persecutions of individuals based on lifestyle choices - what we call Victimless Crimes. These may be defined as behaviors between consenting adults which do not harm any outside parties. Current laws dictate legal behavior based upon outdated and restrictive moral values and mainly are directed at actions related to Sex, Drugs and gambling. In the new paradigm, sexual orientation (straight, bi, homo, trysexual, etc) and drug use are not treated in any way as crimes. Drug abuse is treated as a medical condition. Sexual crimes (rape) are treated just as seriously as always.
We must legally protect lifestyle choices as rights for an obvious and practial reason. Law enforcement agencies are increasingly using techniques of surveillance as these technologies grow ever more powerful and invisible. We see a trend towards all-pervasive surveillance as virtually inevitable. If we as a democracy accept this emergence of SV in the black and white terms of contemporary debate and simply agitate for privacy, we may find that one way or another we will be surveilled - it will simply be with our consent and knowledge (ie Transparency) or without. If we agree that surveillance is necessary to protect our society against the unlimited potential for individuals and small groups to wreak havoc on us (as demonstrated on 9/11), then we come against the reality that any attempt to implement surveillance today,would find that nearly half of our society would be considered criminals (mainly from lifestyle choices involving sex, drugs or gambling -- at some point in each citizen's life). Thus we may see a battle against surveillance that divides this nation right down the middle, with attempts to hamstring it in court or even engage in radical opposition. In either case, we would be inadvertently allowing terrorists to hide in the shadows and plot against us. So, do we want to make 50% of our own society enemies in our war, or just the real 1% of terrorists and violent criminals out there?.
SV is done in all directions. Government can watch the people and people can watch the government and everyone can watch the media. Top-down, Bottom-up and Horizontally. What has made America great is that we have believed in our system and participated in all levels and have increased its transparency. There is no reason to stop now, we must gain even more control over government by eliminating as many walls as possible.
Assumptions: There are at least 3 levels of crime: misdemeanors, felonies and chaos (weapons of mass destruction, 10 deaths or more) There are at least three levels of surveillance, high (1, camera mounted insects), medium (2, telephone listening) and low (3, ear level listening). In exchange for allowing the government to watch citizens with ever increasing surveillance, we provide the following articles:
ARTICLES:
1) SV of all types is primarily used to watch for chaos or the planning of chaos.
2) SV is never to be used for misdemeanors of any type.
3) Sex, Drug and Gambling laws are repealed as the cost of enforcement to our society is too great
4) SV can be used for violent felonies and chaos only
5) SV of any type cannot be used for competitive business reasons
6) Anonymity must be guaranteed periodically for elections, whistelblowing and other specified areas.
7) SV is not used to enforce granular non violent personal choices. - kill yourself but no others!
8) Religion can be practiced until it incites chaos, genocide or war.