One of the first widely used DoS scripts was Click nuker, which was packaged with the 7thSphere IRC script. I worked with 7thSphere at the time, and I can safely say if we knew the damage that unleashing DoS on the world would create, we wouldn't have. As an old hacker I beg you to consider what you're doing before you seriously incovienance someone, and cost people money. When I did it, a 28.8 modem used artistically could split 2 efnet servers, now it takes hundreds of machines packeting to knock down a larger server. There is no art in that, only suffering of those effected by it. Frankly I wish that we had never released click, and I believe most of the rest of 7thSphere would agree.
(I sincerely hope this is taken as a joke and with a grain of salt). Look at what MandrakeSoft and MandrakeClub did for france, they were before a first world country, with nuclear arms which had the rest of the world pissed off at them for testing the nuclear weapons. Now they are a first world country with a Linux Distribution which has all of slashdot pissed off over the MandrakeClub! WAY TO GO FRANCE!
somewhere between a progress level and a santiy check the ability to have a program compile itself means it's settings are sane, and comply with what they're trying to do, it also implys that the program is capable of doing "something".
This is feeding a troll, but please indulge me, because despite the flamesque method of putting forth what he said to a great extent his assertion is accurate. SlashDot is at large a community who rants before it thinks, and doesn't follow through. consider these cases, and your opinions now versus when you read them
bnetd
del icaza's rewrite of gnome 4 in.net (oops)
are your reactions the same now as when you posted the pointless gobbldygook you wrote then? Probably not because you either
A: Don't care anymore (Shame on you)
B: have realized that perhaps your initial impression was wrong.
this is a community, not slashdot, slashdot itself is a small part of that community. this troll, has caused us to do something perhaps that we don't want to do. stop, look around at what's going on and reexamine our morality. because ranting and then not doing anything about it as the parent comment said... The written equivalent of storming the castle gates with torches, pitchforks, and not a thought in your head.
think, then write, support the community, it comes first, freedom doesn't come from ranting but from cooperation (and no I'm not a communist, just someone who looks at this from the standpoint that it's easier to work with a friend than an enemy.)
(This will end up being almost an article/review in and of itself, some of which may be redundant, but I will attempt to keep that to a minimum.) SGL was created to automatically solve dependancies on a minimal system bootstrapped off a small cd iso. the entire distribution is written in dialogue/bash. from there they add 'sorcery', a dialogue app somewhat similar to the initial package selector in debian potato's installer. allows you to select and modifiy package groups in the grimoire. the packages are downloaded and the interface is similar to debian where you answer yes/no/maybe questions as cast downloads and processes the files. (note that since the last/.'ing the dependancy resolution and casting process have become MUCH more rebust and stable.) after casting the system a sorcery update will install the latest versions of the pacakage (some developers recommend doing this nightly, however I doubt that even on the computer I'm currently building that it would finish before the next night's upgrades). DOWNSIDES (and yes there are a lot) A: TIME: Sgl can take a week to do what a binary distribution can do in 30 minutes. a stable working system B: effort: you have to understand the system, or else you will break it during casting C: patience: this is a much and almost deserves to be capitalized with time. UPSIDES A: RPM: No messy RPM/DEB (and please debian purists I do like deb better but source is still more pure) B: optimization: from a custom kernel as a start to -fno-expensive-optimizations, it creates bulky code that runs REALLY fast and extreamly efficiently, and bulk in compiled code can be a good thing as the processor isn't used to remove the corners cut by the "optimization process" C: you know the entire system: from the libs installed to exactly what/usr/bin/ioahwoithjalwerh is, you have installed all of it and your knowledge of what's on the system is COMPLETE. this allows HUGE advantages D: creation of cast scripts: it's BASH, it's easy, and frankly even I can do it (gropes his bash howto) RPM is tricky if you've ever read through it, BASH makes it easy.
basically SGL is an automated linux from scratch. it uses the cast scripts to download and build as necessary the libs and apps required to build a mature system. solving hours worth of dependancies to install a source package is not only pointless but annoying. one more thing that's nice about sgl is the XDelta. With X-delta if available sgl downloads the DIFF patches for files, to save on both time and bandwidth. (this also makes the distribution ALMOST USEABLE by modem goers.)
yes it is, and there are other issues, that being somewhat in the inner circle of sgl that they are addressing. sometimes useing the LATEST and GREATEST source package isn't the best thing. (those who have used debian unstable have probably been cut by the bleeding edge before and know what I am talking about). Something is in the works for those that want a little bit more stable system, but one that is still optimized for their arch and system.
I asked this question of the SGL staffers awhile ago, and here is the answer I recieved. Somewhere out in the wide world of linux distros there is a Sourcer linux. The name Sorcerer, instead of Sourcerer was chosen to avoid confusion as much as possible.
the point of this (asshole) was to be funny, not mathmatically racially or in any other way correct. you are right, it is wrong, and because it was wrong, IT IS FUNNY.
no, it doesn't and if you read the link supplied in the article, this is a duscussion of several tested (and failed methods), a duscussion by two phd's of slippery substances (and how to catogarize them, and then duscussing what needs to be developed and in what situations it could specifically be deployed.
(the one thing that alarmed me, was that they were considering useing it against aircraft)
the end result is what's called a "Denial of Mobility Attack, or DoM. the best solution is to firewall against such attacks. simply build a nice sturdy wall about every 3 feet or so for slipping people to catch their balance on, and prevent further mobility denials. ciscocisco is I hear working on a solution as we speak, it's been codenamed the brick and mortarist 3000 series firewall.
dear america, this legitimate e-mail is not spam, it is a message from china to the united states, that has been repeated 5 billion times, once for each citizen in our overpopulated ineptly run third world country. due to the fact that we're too poor to build nuclear missles, submarines aircraft carriers etc, we have instead come up with the following excellent products for you 1. PORN! (hell EVERYONE LOVES PORN) 2. herbal viagra, (ancient chinese formula) 3. aluminum siding (houseing value-added feature) 4. free vacations to hong kong (beautiful city, except when it rains... a lot) please enjoy these gifts and products courtousy of china.
this message is not spam to be removed from this mailing list...
let it be... let it be, let it be, ooh let it be, teaching words of wisdom... let it be... (any moderator who cant figure this out is a simpering moron) anyway, I never got to use Be, but any competition to microsoft lost is a shame, thanks for the good times guys.
The reason why most people use the GPL is because they don't want to make money on it. they ENJOY coding, even Linus says it's fun. but we also don't want redmond stealing our code. so yeah it's not easy to make money selling GPL code. although I as the author can sell my GPL program for AS MUCH AS I LIKE, providing I give you the source code with it. craig, please take a day off, paid and read the gpl, then feel free to hop on #openprojects, we can talk. (expect to be flamed into your next life.)
Mandrake Soft, Red Hat, Sun Microsystems (Star Office) Microsoft (:) ) Gnucleus, Computers that work (a friend of mine's store that sells linux solutions to small/medium size busineses) and that's what I can name in thirty seconds. They are out there and they do make money, just because va sold out (well except for slashdot who still stands strong), and a bunch of other stupidly designed startups failed (bloatware manufacturer eazel) does not mean people with intelligent business strategies don't make money.
you asked me to name one, I've named many and explained why the others didn't work
I feel loved (but it beats feeling/.'d) there are mornings where I wake up and know exactly what some poor lemon based pdp-11 powerd webserver feels like under a/. . usually I just go back to bed.
it AMAZES ME, that the security analysts who keep saying there is no such thing as a unhackable system heap laud and praise on every "unhackable *" released. the hypocrisy is not only unprofessional, but it's a grave disservice to people that look to them for direction in securing their networks.
remember, there is no such thing as a perfectly secure system, we try, but we are human and thus we fail (And learn). as much as I hate to say it, to an extent the crackers do us a service by keeping us honest. and we do the world a service by trying to send them to jail.
my most humble apologies, if you are the real captiancrunch it's an honor to be LART'd by you sir.
anyway, I'll take a look at it later, I enjoy security, and used to be with 7thsphere. (admittedly not as skilled as you but damnit I DID SOMETHING AT LEAST!)
tre
the server is lagged as hell, if it cannot protect against the slashdot effect, the single greatest denial of service attack known to the internet... is it really worth all the money on the page I cant even access to buy it?
Slashdot Mirror
One of the first widely used DoS scripts was Click nuker, which was packaged with the 7thSphere IRC script. I worked with 7thSphere at the time, and I can safely say if we knew the damage that unleashing DoS on the world would create, we wouldn't have. As an old hacker I beg you to consider what you're doing before you seriously incovienance someone, and cost people money. When I did it, a 28.8 modem used artistically could split 2 efnet servers, now it takes hundreds of machines packeting to knock down a larger server. There is no art in that, only suffering of those effected by it. Frankly I wish that we had never released click, and I believe most of the rest of 7thSphere would agree.
(I sincerely hope this is taken as a joke and with a grain of salt). Look at what MandrakeSoft and MandrakeClub did for france, they were before a first world country, with nuclear arms which had the rest of the world pissed off at them for testing the nuclear weapons. Now they are a first world country with a Linux Distribution which has all of slashdot pissed off over the MandrakeClub! WAY TO GO FRANCE!
somewhere between a progress level and a santiy check the ability to have a program compile itself means it's settings are sane, and comply with what they're trying to do, it also implys that the program is capable of doing "something".
This is feeding a troll, but please indulge me, because despite the flamesque method of putting forth what he said to a great extent his assertion is accurate. SlashDot is at large a community who rants before it thinks, and doesn't follow through.
.net (oops)
consider these cases, and your opinions now versus when you read them
bnetd
del icaza's rewrite of gnome 4 in
are your reactions the same now as when you posted the pointless gobbldygook you wrote then? Probably not because you either
A: Don't care anymore (Shame on you)
B: have realized that perhaps your initial impression was wrong.
this is a community, not slashdot, slashdot itself is a small part of that community. this troll, has caused us to do something perhaps that we don't want to do. stop, look around at what's going on and reexamine our morality. because ranting and then not doing anything about it as the parent comment said... The written equivalent of storming the castle gates with torches, pitchforks, and not a thought in your head.
think, then write, support the community, it comes first, freedom doesn't come from ranting but from cooperation (and no I'm not a communist, just someone who looks at this from the standpoint that it's easier to work with a friend than an enemy.)
peace
trelane
(This will end up being almost an article/review in and of itself, some of which may be redundant, but I will attempt to keep that to a minimum.) /.'ing the dependancy resolution and casting process have become MUCH more rebust and stable.) after casting the system a sorcery update will install the latest versions of the pacakage (some developers recommend doing this nightly, however I doubt that even on the computer I'm currently building that it would finish before the next night's upgrades). /usr/bin/ioahwoithjalwerh is, you have installed all of it and your knowledge of what's on the system is COMPLETE. this allows HUGE advantages
SGL was created to automatically solve dependancies on a minimal system bootstrapped off a small cd iso. the entire distribution is written in dialogue/bash. from there they add 'sorcery', a dialogue app somewhat similar to the initial package selector in debian potato's installer. allows you to select and modifiy package groups in the grimoire. the packages are downloaded and the interface is similar to debian where you answer yes/no/maybe questions as cast downloads and processes the files. (note that since the last
DOWNSIDES (and yes there are a lot)
A: TIME: Sgl can take a week to do what a binary distribution can do in 30 minutes. a stable working system
B: effort: you have to understand the system, or else you will break it during casting
C: patience: this is a much and almost deserves to be capitalized with time.
UPSIDES
A: RPM: No messy RPM/DEB (and please debian purists I do like deb better but source is still more pure)
B: optimization: from a custom kernel as a start to -fno-expensive-optimizations, it creates bulky code that runs REALLY fast and extreamly efficiently, and bulk in compiled code can be a good thing as the processor isn't used to remove the corners cut by the "optimization process"
C: you know the entire system: from the libs installed to exactly what
D: creation of cast scripts: it's BASH, it's easy, and frankly even I can do it (gropes his bash howto) RPM is tricky if you've ever read through it, BASH makes it easy.
basically SGL is an automated linux from scratch. it uses the cast scripts to download and build as necessary the libs and apps required to build a mature system. solving hours worth of dependancies to install a source package is not only pointless but annoying. one more thing that's nice about sgl is the XDelta. With X-delta if available sgl downloads the DIFF patches for files, to save on both time and bandwidth. (this also makes the distribution ALMOST USEABLE by modem goers.)
yes it is, and there are other issues, that being somewhat in the inner circle of sgl that they are addressing. sometimes useing the LATEST and GREATEST source package isn't the best thing. (those who have used debian unstable have probably been cut by the bleeding edge before and know what I am talking about). Something is in the works for those that want a little bit more stable system, but one that is still optimized for their arch and system.
I asked this question of the SGL staffers awhile ago, and here is the answer I recieved. Somewhere out in the wide world of linux distros there is a Sourcer linux. The name Sorcerer, instead of Sourcerer was chosen to avoid confusion as much as possible.
the point of this (asshole) was to be funny, not mathmatically racially or in any other way correct. you are right, it is wrong, and because it was wrong, IT IS FUNNY.
after reading the main article I retract this the .pdf lead me to believe this had not been developed (editors have mercy on my lowly karma)
no, it doesn't and if you read the link supplied in the article, this is a duscussion of several tested (and failed methods), a duscussion by two phd's of slippery substances (and how to catogarize them, and then duscussing what needs to be developed and in what situations it could specifically be deployed.
(the one thing that alarmed me, was that they were considering useing it against aircraft)
the end result is what's called a "Denial of Mobility Attack, or DoM. the best solution is to firewall against such attacks. simply build a nice sturdy wall about every 3 feet or so for slipping people to catch their balance on, and prevent further mobility denials. ciscocisco is I hear working on a solution as we speak, it's been codenamed the brick and mortarist 3000 series firewall.
aah yes, pardon my grammatical error
-editor of parent comment's parent
hey, can we extradite bernard shifman to china... he can teach them proper e-mail ettiquet, then life will be good again.
dear america,
this legitimate e-mail is not spam, it is a message from china to the united states, that has been repeated 5 billion times, once for each citizen in our overpopulated ineptly run third world country.
due to the fact that we're too poor to build nuclear missles, submarines aircraft carriers etc, we have instead come up with the following excellent products for you
1. PORN! (hell EVERYONE LOVES PORN)
2. herbal viagra, (ancient chinese formula)
3. aluminum siding (houseing value-added feature)
4. free vacations to hong kong (beautiful city, except when it rains... a lot)
please enjoy these gifts and products courtousy of china.
this message is not spam to be removed from this mailing list...
if you're important enough to be a senator... do you still have to prefix your e-mails to the united states with "this is not spam"
to be or not to be was shakespeare, from hamlet.
descartes said je pense donc je suis (I think therefore I am) the two are unrelated,
let it be... let it be, let it be, ooh let it be, teaching words of wisdom... let it be...
(any moderator who cant figure this out is a simpering moron)
anyway, I never got to use Be, but any competition to microsoft lost is a shame, thanks for the good times guys.
The reason why most people use the GPL is because they don't want to make money on it. they ENJOY coding, even Linus says it's fun. but we also don't want redmond stealing our code.
so yeah it's not easy to make money selling GPL code. although I as the author can sell my GPL program for AS MUCH AS I LIKE, providing I give you the source code with it.
craig, please take a day off, paid and read the gpl, then feel free to hop on #openprojects, we can talk. (expect to be flamed into your next life.)
Mandrake Soft, Red Hat, Sun Microsystems (Star Office) Microsoft ( :) ) Gnucleus, Computers that work (a friend of mine's store that sells linux solutions to small/medium size busineses) and that's what I can name in thirty seconds. They are out there and they do make money, just because va sold out (well except for slashdot who still stands strong), and a bunch of other stupidly designed startups failed (bloatware manufacturer eazel) does not mean people with intelligent business strategies don't make money.
you asked me to name one, I've named many and explained why the others didn't work
honestly, they could have just tagged a linux tarball on and accomplished the same thing. nothing like a 22 meg e-mail to disrupt the status-quo.
I feel loved (but it beats feeling /.'d) there are mornings where I wake up and know exactly what some poor lemon based pdp-11 powerd webserver feels like under a /. . usually I just go back to bed.
it AMAZES ME, that the security analysts who keep saying there is no such thing as a unhackable system heap laud and praise on every "unhackable *" released. the hypocrisy is not only unprofessional, but it's a grave disservice to people that look to them for direction in securing their networks. remember, there is no such thing as a perfectly secure system, we try, but we are human and thus we fail (And learn). as much as I hate to say it, to an extent the crackers do us a service by keeping us honest. and we do the world a service by trying to send them to jail.
my most humble apologies, if you are the real captiancrunch it's an honor to be LART'd by you sir. anyway, I'll take a look at it later, I enjoy security, and used to be with 7thsphere. (admittedly not as skilled as you but damnit I DID SOMETHING AT LEAST!) tre
the server is lagged as hell, if it cannot protect against the slashdot effect, the single greatest denial of service attack known to the internet... is it really worth all the money on the page I cant even access to buy it?