Yes yes... I am not implying that there is any way to really be secure. I point is simply it's a hell of a lot harder to mess with me using the methods parent mentioned than to just exploit an intentional back-door.
If you look back at the many other replies to my message you'll find similar arguments and I simply don't buy the "how did we get along before" argument.
I never bother anyone with my cell phone. It is always on vibrate and I talk on it in seclusion. Please don't expect me to be happy being penalized for the rudeness of others when I've taken great care to be considerate.
How did you ever manage without a computer. If you wanted information you went to the library. So does that mean I should make your computer not work because SOME people abuse them?
Why not skip the blocking. Post a policy at the door. "Cell phone use on these premesis is prohibited. Phones must be silenced. Violators will be asked to leave."
The second or third time the rude guy is kicked out in front of everyone, you better believe he'll learn some manners quickly.
Thank you for the good wishes. I probably got a little too erked as well.
First of all I do think the establishments do have the right to block them. I just don't think they should. If the theater took the time to embarassingly boot anyone who's phone rang, ALWAYS, it wouldn't be long until everyone made sure they were off or silent.
I unfortunatly don't have enough vacation to stay home before and after the baby so I have to work. And it's not always possible to be near a regular phone.
Even though you don't have a washer/dryer doesn't mean you don't use a convienience item to get the job done. A laundry-mat or a washboard, people had to live without them at one point or another. So unless you beat your clothes on rocks, I still think the "how did people ever manage" arguments arn't so good. Someone could use them to take anything away from you because people managed without anything.
Thanks again for the good wishes. And for the record it drives me up the wall when phones ring in theaters too, I'm just fighting for the bigger picture.
If it's on vibrate, in my pocket and I talk on it outside, away from you. Then my rights have not met yours, period.
Using your argument, your right to block my silent phone ENDS when it collides with my right to have it. Especially when you are completly unaware that I do because I don't let it bother you. Please deal with the guy with the fancy ring tone separatly from me.
I'm fine with that! But the jammer will block it for the employee too.
And again with the "how did people ever get along without" crap! Why don't you go tell a handicapped person to stay home because you don't like his squeeky wheelchair, I mean how did the disabled ever manage before that was invented.
I do not plan to be in a theater. But as soon as they have them there, they will have them in my doctors office, the bank, Highway 101, the flower shop, the supermarket.
Next they will do something so you can't listen to your mp3 player because someone doesnt' want to see you bopping your head to the beat.
The "how did we ever get along without" argument is stale and flawed. Now, I'd like you to give up driving between the hours of 4pm and 6am.... because it annoys me. I mean, how did people ever manage without a car?
Huh? Of course I don't HAVE to be there. This is my second child and forgive me for wanting to be there. Excuse me if i'm driving to work and would like to know I need to turn around and go back.
I NEVER implied that my wife or kid are fragile. But gosh, there are a few really important events in our family and I'd like to be there. I pitty for not feeling the same.
I want you, right now to remove your television, computer, oven, toaster, electric shaver etc.. from your house. I mean, how did you ever survive with out them.
I never claimed to be unable to manage but please explain to me how a small vibrating piece of plastic in my pocket hurts YOU?
And you don't NEED my cell phone to be blocked, you just want it to. If it's on vibrate in my pocket and I exit to use it, what do you care?
Next you'll wan't to keep people from driving because some people drive recklessly. This is more than just a cell phone issue. I think we, as a society, should avoid taking the easy route and punishing everyone to prevent a few abusers. Same goes for putting a tax on blank CD media because you can use it to copy audio CDs. However that hurts innocent people who are just writing data to them.
I would be fine with policies or laws that make certain areas ring-free zones or something.
I hope you don't live your life only expecting freedoms to NEED. You don't NEED to drive a car, or post your thoughts freely on slashdot, but you can. I certainly wouldn't take your right to post away just because some people abuse the freedom by trolling. Think about it.
How do you know that the open source you are looking at actually is the one running in your device?
You compile it yourself.
How do you know that the code you are looking at, assuming that it is running in the device, wasn't modified by a malicious compiler?
True, but highly unlikley.
How do you know that the compiled code, assuming it is compiled correctly, wasn't altered in the transfer to the device?
Because I transfered it. Perhaps via serial cable or over a cable not on a public network.
What it boils down to is that trust is a very difficult animal, and at some point, you need to draw the line.
I draw the line at blatent backdoors. The difficulty of breaking into my router by giving me a bad compiler is FAR FAR FAR more difficult than a backdoor admin account. Once that gets out anyone can log in and do what they like.
I know people abuse them and annoy but this is stupid. My wife is due to have our second child in 3 days. I NEED to have my cell work (vibrate) wherever I am.
Also my wife and I would like to go to that fancy resturant too. But with an infant at home with a babysitter, I would appreciate you NOT blocking my cell phone in case of emergency.
You should not control rude people by punishing all!!
I think you are missing the point of a "code library." I would NEVER have a single line of prorietary code in a code library. A legal code library contains utility code such as hash-tables and macros for doing common things. I don't keep one myself but I see no issue with an engineer having a utility library of utility code that doesn't contain buisness logic.
Frankly I think your proposal have referencing proprietary code is far more seedy than a guy who re-uses a decent hash table (common concept) that he wrote.
Fine, I hearby patent the process of using the words January and 2008 next to each other.
Obvious but hey based on your argument, you shoulda patented it. See you in court in 2008.
This is not what patents are for.
Micro payments don't necessarily imply may small automatic payments as you seem to think. Essentially there is a min payment that the credit card company gets no matter what. It is basically impossible to sell something for 10 cents via a credit card because you'd then pay 25 or 50 cents for the cc transaction.
The micropayment companies provide a way for an individual web site to make small transactions. For example a site that used to only sell 1 year subscriptions could allow you to buy on a per issue basis.
Just my 2 cents. (which I can now give with a micropayment system)
First, it was an example. Second the stuff from the treasury is crap. Third, my friend actually had this assignment for his job, put it together and gave the training to about 60 employees.
But that is not my point. My point is there are legitimate reasons to scan currency and it really isn't adobes place to make that choice. Each freedom/right we give up because "it doesn't matter that much" start adding up until we don't have many freedoms any more.
Exactly how do I compete when I can't move to another country. And my very modest home mortgage costs twice what the other guy makes in the other country? As an individual, how do I compete with that?
"Countries that resort to protectionism end up hampering innovation and crippling their industries, which leads to lower economic growth and ultimately higher unemployment,"
What value to the country does an 'industry' have if they send all the jobs away? Some tax bucks, sure, but a company with jobs is much more valuable to the country.
It works like this. There is basically no job (other than service, like working at a store) that can't be done cheaper by people outside this country.
It is the governments job to make sure that jobs stay here. I don't think any job is an americans god given right but why does this lady expect an educated engineer to work for min wage? I can get a McJob for min wage. She is essentially saying that HPs workers don't matter to the company. They find no value in their skills.
I'm not trying to be paranoid here but eventually won't most jobs be shipped over seas to countries who with lower cost of living and governments who don't care. This doesn't sound good for our country.
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Yes yes... I am not implying that there is any way to really be secure. I point is simply it's a hell of a lot harder to mess with me using the methods parent mentioned than to just exploit an intentional back-door.
If you look back at the many other replies to my message you'll find similar arguments and I simply don't buy the "how did we get along before" argument.
I never bother anyone with my cell phone. It is always on vibrate and I talk on it in seclusion. Please don't expect me to be happy being penalized for the rudeness of others when I've taken great care to be considerate.
How did you ever manage without a computer. If you wanted information you went to the library. So does that mean I should make your computer not work because SOME people abuse them?
Thanks for the Congrats.
Why not skip the blocking. Post a policy at the door. "Cell phone use on these premesis is prohibited. Phones must be silenced. Violators will be asked to leave."
The second or third time the rude guy is kicked out in front of everyone, you better believe he'll learn some manners quickly.
So now I'm a prick for trying to make a point?
People managed to get to work without cars... too. Please give me yours. And your computer... people managed without those too.
Thank you for the good wishes. I probably got a little too erked as well.
First of all I do think the establishments do have the right to block them. I just don't think they should. If the theater took the time to embarassingly boot anyone who's phone rang, ALWAYS, it wouldn't be long until everyone made sure they were off or silent.
I unfortunatly don't have enough vacation to stay home before and after the baby so I have to work. And it's not always possible to be near a regular phone.
Even though you don't have a washer/dryer doesn't mean you don't use a convienience item to get the job done. A laundry-mat or a washboard, people had to live without them at one point or another. So unless you beat your clothes on rocks, I still think the "how did people ever manage" arguments arn't so good. Someone could use them to take anything away from you because people managed without anything.
Thanks again for the good wishes. And for the record it drives me up the wall when phones ring in theaters too, I'm just fighting for the bigger picture.
Fine. Totally agree.
If it's on vibrate, in my pocket and I talk on it outside, away from you. Then my rights have not met yours, period.
Using your argument, your right to block my silent phone ENDS when it collides with my right to have it. Especially when you are completly unaware that I do because I don't let it bother you. Please deal with the guy with the fancy ring tone separatly from me.
Finally someone who actually believes in civil liberties!
I'm fine with that! But the jammer will block it for the employee too.
And again with the "how did people ever get along without" crap! Why don't you go tell a handicapped person to stay home because you don't like his squeeky wheelchair, I mean how did the disabled ever manage before that was invented.
I do not plan to be in a theater. But as soon as they have them there, they will have them in my doctors office, the bank, Highway 101, the flower shop, the supermarket.
Next they will do something so you can't listen to your mp3 player because someone doesnt' want to see you bopping your head to the beat.
The "how did we ever get along without" argument is stale and flawed. Now, I'd like you to give up driving between the hours of 4pm and 6am.... because it annoys me. I mean, how did people ever manage without a car?
Huh? Of course I don't HAVE to be there. This is my second child and forgive me for wanting to be there. Excuse me if i'm driving to work and would like to know I need to turn around and go back.
I NEVER implied that my wife or kid are fragile. But gosh, there are a few really important events in our family and I'd like to be there. I pitty for not feeling the same.
I want you, right now to remove your television, computer, oven, toaster, electric shaver etc.. from your house. I mean, how did you ever survive with out them.
I never claimed to be unable to manage but please explain to me how a small vibrating piece of plastic in my pocket hurts YOU?
And you don't NEED my cell phone to be blocked, you just want it to. If it's on vibrate in my pocket and I exit to use it, what do you care?
Next you'll wan't to keep people from driving because some people drive recklessly.
This is more than just a cell phone issue. I think we, as a society, should avoid taking the easy route and punishing everyone to prevent a few abusers. Same goes for putting a tax on blank CD media because you can use it to copy audio CDs. However that hurts innocent people who are just writing data to them.
I would be fine with policies or laws that make certain areas ring-free zones or something.
I hope you don't live your life only expecting freedoms to NEED. You don't NEED to drive a car, or post your thoughts freely on slashdot, but you can. I certainly wouldn't take your right to post away just because some people abuse the freedom by trolling. Think about it.
True, but highly unlikley.
Because I transfered it. Perhaps via serial cable or over a cable not on a public network.
I draw the line at blatent backdoors. The difficulty of breaking into my router by giving me a bad compiler is FAR FAR FAR more difficult than a backdoor admin account. Once that gets out anyone can log in and do what they like.
I know people abuse them and annoy but this is stupid. My wife is due to have our second child in 3 days. I NEED to have my cell work (vibrate) wherever I am.
Also my wife and I would like to go to that fancy resturant too. But with an infant at home with a babysitter, I would appreciate you NOT blocking my cell phone in case of emergency.
You should not control rude people by punishing all!!
I think you are missing the point of a "code library." I would NEVER have a single line of prorietary code in a code library. A legal code library contains utility code such as hash-tables and macros for doing common things. I don't keep one myself but I see no issue with an engineer having a utility library of utility code that doesn't contain buisness logic.
Frankly I think your proposal have referencing proprietary code is far more seedy than a guy who re-uses a decent hash table (common concept) that he wrote.
If you subscribe you can see the stories a bit early. It was slashdotted BEFORE it appeared on the main page. You just have to wonder.
Got it. Thanks everyone.
What does the {y,ies} in the article mean? Anyone?
Both are valid man.
Shoot on Sight = Shoot when you see them.
Shoot on site = Shoot them right where they stand.
Fine, I hearby patent the process of using the words January and 2008 next to each other. Obvious but hey based on your argument, you shoulda patented it. See you in court in 2008. This is not what patents are for.
Micro payments don't necessarily imply may small automatic payments as you seem to think. Essentially there is a min payment that the credit card company gets no matter what. It is basically impossible to sell something for 10 cents via a credit card because you'd then pay 25 or 50 cents for the cc transaction.
The micropayment companies provide a way for an individual web site to make small transactions. For example a site that used to only sell 1 year subscriptions could allow you to buy on a per issue basis.
Just my 2 cents. (which I can now give with a micropayment system)
First, it was an example. Second the stuff from the treasury is crap. Third, my friend actually had this assignment for his job, put it together and gave the training to about 60 employees.
But that is not my point. My point is there are legitimate reasons to scan currency and it really isn't adobes place to make that choice. Each freedom/right we give up because "it doesn't matter that much" start adding up until we don't have many freedoms any more.
Exactly how do I compete when I can't move to another country. And my very modest home mortgage costs twice what the other guy makes in the other country? As an individual, how do I compete with that?
What value to the country does an 'industry' have if they send all the jobs away? Some tax bucks, sure, but a company with jobs is much more valuable to the country.
It works like this. There is basically no job (other than service, like working at a store) that can't be done cheaper by people outside this country.
It is the governments job to make sure that jobs stay here. I don't think any job is an americans god given right but why does this lady expect an educated engineer to work for min wage? I can get a McJob for min wage. She is essentially saying that HPs workers don't matter to the company. They find no value in their skills.
I'm not trying to be paranoid here but eventually won't most jobs be shipped over seas to countries who with lower cost of living and governments who don't care. This doesn't sound good for our country.