I realized he needed UK-US only after I posted that...:)
Anyway...normal Bigzoo is not a 'scheduled' service. You only need call their toll-free or local access number, enter your PIN, and dial your destination number. Just like any standard phone card. The only web access needed is to buy new minutes. BigZoo is my standard long distance service. I have no MCI or AT&T on my local landline.
Bigtalk, OTOH, for oveseas-US, is a different aspect of it.
Maybe not completely relevant to the specific subject, but what is the best way to stop this?
Due to the global nature of the internet, the only way is to wait until the governments of China and Russia change due to public, internal pressure. Note that this may take some time.
Disingenuous? The OP said "it is just to expensive to keep up with windows releases for a college student."
'Keep up' with what Windows releases? With MS stretching out support for Win2k until 2010, and XP until 2011, I guess buying a new OS every 5 or 10 years IS an expensive enterprise!
Yes, it is of course more expensive than getting a Linux iso. But hardly wallet busting.
Win2000 - if you bought it new, retail, so far it's cost you $50/year. Give up a coupla cases of beer. (Blasphemy, I know). And is quite stable, and isn't going away anytime soon.
XP? Same thing. Not going away anytime soon, and over time, quite cheap.
And no one says you have to upgrade every new release.
Thousands of dollars?
Visual Studio Enterprise, maybe. There are a host of cheap or free versions. VB.Net is $110, student version is $59.
By default, people pretty much know what is going to happen on any particular show. The Sopranos, Sex in the City, Jerry Springer, etc, etc. "Due to the graphic nature of this program...."
Should the Superbowl have had an R rating?
In the US, there is a pretty clear line between broadcast and cable, and different times of day. Remove the controlling hand of the FCC, and those lines disappear, leaving what shows on the box to be completely dictated and controlled by the advertisers.
Eventually, people would bitch enough that the pendulum would swing the other way, but the damage would have already been done.
Radio and TV is an area where the free market of ideas should reign. We have V-chips and similar technology to stop your kids from seeing what you don't want them to see. (Without even mentioning that the best. and most appropiate method is to watch TV with them instead of using it as a babysitter).
Up to a point. The free market (advertising, radio and TV) has shown, time and time again, that they will push the limits to gain market share. Anything that causes controvery, tongues wagging, etc, is fair game. As we saw with Janet J. First, we have a boob exposed for a few seconds during a nationally televised 'family' show. In search of more, next year we'd have Madonna, Britney, or Christina will do a full topless show. A year or so later, we get J. Lo and Mark A. conceiving their first child in full color closeup during the 2008 Olymipcs. After that, again in search of ratings...we'll have Mr. McFeely living up to his name with the Goatse guy and tubgirl on Mr. Rogers.
There is nothing wrong with sex, naked bodies, whatever, on TV. Just not anywhere and everywhere. Parents need some expectation of what is going to be shown. Even when they're sitting right there with the kid watching. That's what bothered a LOT of people about the Superbowl. Not the saggy boob, but the expectation of NOT seeing said boob during a supposed family show.
Right. Let's reword this: "Does allofmp3.com have the proper license, granted by the copyright holder, to sell this product in Countries X, Y and Z?" I see nothing convincing, one way or the other. I'd like it to be, because it looks like a very good deal. As you say, the laws are not fully clear yet.
That what the record companies do may be/is wrong is irrelevant.
Child porn is one of those hot buttons. It appeals to the most basic humanity. I understand what you said (the first time). And I fully agree that the "no-brainer issues" should be looked at the most closely, because they can be an easy foot in the door.
However...There is no ultimate free speech. Many specific forms are disallowed. "Fire!" Threatening the Queen or President with violence. Libel. Slander. Selling Penthouse and Hustler to minors. And I'd disagree with the OP as well, because we haven't given anything up! There never was any free speech surrounding and protecting child porn.
Hell yes this should be monitored, very, very closely. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do it at all. And this isn't the government as such. Unless you consider BT merely an arm of the government.
The slippery slope flows both ways. Fail to do something about a universally rejected behavior, and what's next in the coming years? Bestiality acceptable? Rape? Murder?
As another poster called it, child porn is "The Ultimate ewwwww". Cut off this one outlet, and maybe the future fringe elements of that community will not be so inclined to pursue their interests. Then cut off another. Then another.
You think that everyone who enjoys child porn is bold/sick enough to actually go out and do it? Not a chance. Just like rape or bondage pics on adult porn sites. I'd wager that the voyeurs outnumber the creators by several orders of magnitude.
Evidently, some of these websites are a for-pay enterprise. So there is presumably a profit (or at least break even) component to it.
But isn't your argument the exact same one used quite often in here to justify sharing mp3's? More exposure via P2P, for free, leads to greater interest and more sales.
Can you tell me how any of the children in these photos benefit from them?
Can you show me, in any countries Constitution, charter, whatever, where the freedom to create, posess, and distribute child pornography is a basic human right?
Children grow up. Increased demand leads to the need for "fresh" material. Or do you think they just swap the same few hundred pictures from 30 years ago? Just like any other site..."We have the freshest, newest pics anywhere!" To maintain interest (money flow) they need new material. This 'new material' is kids.
And yes, I do think that such individuals are disturbed. Period.
Yeah, right. Governments change. This year they lean to the right, next year they lean to the left. So what happens? Do the filters switch on election day, to block anything critical of the new rulers? Please... There are enough people on all sides of the political spectrum to make this a non-issue.
Child porn is universally wrong. Show me an upside.
"Why censor? Why not just arrest the blighters?"
And we know that's not the next step how? Identify, notify, arrest, prosecute. But you have to identify first.
Pre internet, pedophiles were out there, but isolated. With the fre range internet, and easy access, interest boomed. "More, more!" How many pedophiles got their start in the last few years only because they could find this material easily? We'll probably never know, but I'd be willing to bet its grater than 1.
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I realized he needed UK-US only after I posted that...:)
Anyway...normal Bigzoo is not a 'scheduled' service. You only need call their toll-free or local access number, enter your PIN, and dial your destination number. Just like any standard phone card.
The only web access needed is to buy new minutes. BigZoo is my standard long distance service. I have no MCI or AT&T on my local landline.
Bigtalk, OTOH, for oveseas-US, is a different aspect of it.
Maybe not completely relevant to the specific subject, but what is the best way to stop this?
Due to the global nature of the internet, the only way is to wait until the governments of China and Russia change due to public, internal pressure. Note that this may take some time.
In the meantime, SpamBayes might help.
Many of the calls I made exceeded one hour in duration, god alone knows what they would have cost via telephone.
BigZoo.com US-UK @ $0.039/min. $2.34 an hour. A small price to pay for avoiding the "houston, this is tranquility base) type of delay problem.
No PC, Windows or otherwise, no cable or DSL connection needed, just a regular phone.
Disingenuous? The OP said "it is just to expensive to keep up with windows releases for a college student."
'Keep up' with what Windows releases? With MS stretching out support for Win2k until 2010, and XP until 2011, I guess buying a new OS every 5 or 10 years IS an expensive enterprise!
Yes, it is of course more expensive than getting a Linux iso. But hardly wallet busting.
Similarly, the rest of the planet cannot understand the mind-numbing singlemindedness needed to slog through the hell that is a Gentoo installation.
Different strokes...
Win2000 - if you bought it new, retail, so far it's cost you $50/year. Give up a coupla cases of beer. (Blasphemy, I know). And is quite stable, and isn't going away anytime soon.
XP? Same thing. Not going away anytime soon, and over time, quite cheap.
And no one says you have to upgrade every new release.
Thousands of dollars?
Visual Studio Enterprise, maybe. There are a host of cheap or free versions. VB.Net is $110, student version is $59.
And a standalone viewer would be cool. MS used to have standalones viewers for office, don't know now.
They still do
Excel, powerpoint, access, word, publisher...
By default, people pretty much know what is going to happen on any particular show. The Sopranos, Sex in the City, Jerry Springer, etc, etc.
"Due to the graphic nature of this program...."
Should the Superbowl have had an R rating?
In the US, there is a pretty clear line between broadcast and cable, and different times of day. Remove the controlling hand of the FCC, and those lines disappear, leaving what shows on the box to be completely dictated and controlled by the advertisers.
Eventually, people would bitch enough that the pendulum would swing the other way, but the damage would have already been done.
Radio and TV is an area where the free market of ideas should reign. We have V-chips and similar technology to stop your kids from seeing what you don't want them to see. (Without even mentioning that the best. and most appropiate method is to watch TV with them instead of using it as a babysitter).
Up to a point. The free market (advertising, radio and TV) has shown, time and time again, that they will push the limits to gain market share. Anything that causes controvery, tongues wagging, etc, is fair game. As we saw with Janet J.
First, we have a boob exposed for a few seconds during a nationally televised 'family' show. In search of more, next year we'd have Madonna, Britney, or Christina will do a full topless show. A year or so later, we get J. Lo and Mark A. conceiving their first child in full color closeup during the 2008 Olymipcs. After that, again in search of ratings...we'll have Mr. McFeely living up to his name with the Goatse guy and tubgirl on Mr. Rogers.
There is nothing wrong with sex, naked bodies, whatever, on TV. Just not anywhere and everywhere. Parents need some expectation of what is going to be shown. Even when they're sitting right there with the kid watching. That's what bothered a LOT of people about the Superbowl. Not the saggy boob, but the expectation of NOT seeing said boob during a supposed family show.
Looks much jerkier as well. In the AVI, the gun seems to jump around way too much.
And then go find the actual info and see that it was a British crew (not American), tracking down an entirely different submarine (U-110).
As they say at the beginning of the movie "This is a work of fiction".
Right. Let's reword this: "Does allofmp3.com have the proper license, granted by the copyright holder, to sell this product in Countries X, Y and Z?" I see nothing convincing, one way or the other. I'd like it to be, because it looks like a very good deal. As you say, the laws are not fully clear yet.
That what the record companies do may be/is wrong is irrelevant.
Dumb argument? No. It apparently is legal in Russia. (which is what I said before).
I'm just asking if it is in fact legal to use within the USA and elsewhere? I haven't seen a definitive yes or no.
They claim it's legal in Russia (see the site and some discussion forums), and it's legal for me to download here in Canada
What specifically points to it being legal in Canada? Has the CRIA blessed this?
It's not a legally questionable operation. It is legal according to Russian law, and it's a Russian company, so it's legal...
...In Russia. Since presumably most of the world does not live in Russia, its legality elsewhere is still in question.
Child porn is one of those hot buttons. It appeals to the most basic humanity. I understand what you said (the first time). And I fully agree that the "no-brainer issues" should be looked at the most closely, because they can be an easy foot in the door.
However...There is no ultimate free speech. Many specific forms are disallowed. "Fire!" Threatening the Queen or President with violence. Libel. Slander. Selling Penthouse and Hustler to minors.
And I'd disagree with the OP as well, because we haven't given anything up! There never was any free speech surrounding and protecting child porn.
Hell yes this should be monitored, very, very closely. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do it at all. And this isn't the government as such. Unless you consider BT merely an arm of the government.
The slippery slope flows both ways. Fail to do something about a universally rejected behavior, and what's next in the coming years? Bestiality acceptable? Rape? Murder?
As another poster called it, child porn is "The Ultimate ewwwww". Cut off this one outlet, and maybe the future fringe elements of that community will not be so inclined to pursue their interests. Then cut off another. Then another.
See...that IS the way I read it
Blocking kiddie porn equates to you and I and everyone else losing some free speech rights.
What rights have we lost?
Well, we lost some rights, but now all children are safe.
What right is there to child porn?
You think that everyone who enjoys child porn is bold/sick enough to actually go out and do it? Not a chance. Just like rape or bondage pics on adult porn sites. I'd wager that the voyeurs outnumber the creators by several orders of magnitude.
Evidently, some of these websites are a for-pay enterprise. So there is presumably a profit (or at least break even) component to it.
But isn't your argument the exact same one used quite often in here to justify sharing mp3's? More exposure via P2P, for free, leads to greater interest and more sales.
Can you tell me how any of the children in these photos benefit from them?
If all child porn was computer generated, it would be a different story. But there are real, live children being affected, permanently, by this.
Can you show me, in any countries Constitution, charter, whatever, where the freedom to create, posess, and distribute child pornography is a basic human right?
Children grow up. Increased demand leads to the need for "fresh" material. Or do you think they just swap the same few hundred pictures from 30 years ago? Just like any other site..."We have the freshest, newest pics anywhere!" To maintain interest (money flow) they need new material. This 'new material' is kids.
And yes, I do think that such individuals are disturbed. Period.
"What's next? Blocking anti-government sites?
Yeah, right. Governments change. This year they lean to the right, next year they lean to the left. So what happens? Do the filters switch on election day, to block anything critical of the new rulers? Please...
There are enough people on all sides of the political spectrum to make this a non-issue.
Child porn is universally wrong. Show me an upside.
"Why censor? Why not just arrest the blighters?"
And we know that's not the next step how? Identify, notify, arrest, prosecute. But you have to identify first.
Pre internet, pedophiles were out there, but isolated. With the fre range internet, and easy access, interest boomed. "More, more!" How many pedophiles got their start in the last few years only because they could find this material easily? We'll probably never know, but I'd be willing to bet its grater than 1.
Plus, I don't understand why it's so wrong that child pornography gets exchanged.
Exchange = grater demand = more supply needed = more children affected.