bill gates become a billionaire because hes a petty thug who steals ideas
If you want to make a real argument sometime, be my guest. Otherwise, this is just nonsense you just spit out makes you look even more like a bitter fool.
First, an education is an good thing to have in the industrialized world, be it high school, college, grad school, whatever. For those that don't have that, then it's going to be tougher to get ahead, no doubt. But education is readily available here, so if someone doesn't have it, then it's really nobody's fault for that other than their own.
If you actually see the people who work at McDonald's most are students, part-timer, and others who are using it as a stepping stone. It could be that's the only job they are qualified for. But most don't stick around, they build their skills and education and find something better.
i dont think programming is the kinda job which takes alot of training, its something someone in china or india can do if they read a book and are given a refrence manual.
Only someone who has no idea what a paid programmer does could make a ridiculous statement like that. No company in their right mind would hire someone like that who just "read a book".
..theres too many variables and i dont think its worth the risk.
Well, that's why you are sitting where you are, because others did take the risks and became tremendously successful. You don't become successful by sitting on your ass and not taking risks.
Do you want an economics lesson from me? ok, i'll bite and play along:
A. In a global economy, how do you secure your spot when you compete with the world?
Well that's basically up to each and every person to decide that path for themselves..that's the free world you live in. You choose your own future. But in the Industrialized world, more education is one good path.
B. What incentive does a company in the US have to hiring American workers over cheaper and equally efficient workers in other countries.
Foreign workers may be cheaper, but they're not necessarily better or more productive. You can ship unskilled jobs out, but the skilled workers are still found in the industrial world, or those with the education from there.
C. Whats to stop the wages from going down..
Maybe because nobody would take those jobs if it paid that much? Companies can offer to pay less, but the employee will turn it down if they see others getting more or if he says the opportunity to get more elsewhere. These businesses can't just choose to cut pay. The best and brightest would leave and hurt them more.
D. How does more competition benifit the American worker?
Competition's purpose is not to benefit the individual worker directly. It's so that consumers can have a better product, more choices, better service. The effect is that also it benefits workers. When competition is healthy, companies want more and better workers to help provide that better whateveritis. I can see you already didn't compete with those "sweatshop programmers" since many of those including Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, John Carmack worked sweatshop hours in their salad days to become multi-billionaires.
for the answer to why i like responding to you, see this. i like to see your insane and illogical rebuting people that mostly involve name-calling, dubious statistics and outright falsehoods.
firstly, i like how you take my comment out of context about afghani programmers and change them to chinese programmers. remember what you said?
We would be replaced by a guy in afganastan willing to work 14 hours a day for a penny an hour.
China is a different case, and if you want to argue that go ahead, but don't twist my word around. I will say that the business infrastructure in China is still not mature enough for foreign companies to dive right in. Bureaucracies, corruption, nepotism, transparency are still a hinderence to foreign investment.
And you seem to think Chinese, Indian or really anyone else with a computer in any country or even access to an internet cafe like box couldnt learn C?
Learning C is one thing, becoming a skilled programmer that companies will hire is another. Maybe that's why many of them come here to a U.S. university to learn.
You seem to think "money" and "intelligence" are related,
where did i say such a thing? Stop putting words in my mouth, or back them up.
Sure these people dont have food and water, because of this they will be very motivated to learn C and master computers
It's statements like these that make me think you're a troll, but trolls aren't this obvious and dumb.
why are you blatantly ignoring the fact that windows is a special case because they have a monopoly or near monopoly on desktop OSs? you're right about nike sneakers prices not going down. But so fucking what? you don't like the price, don't buy them. i buy cheaper sneakers because i can't afford them.. thats how free markets work. how come you still can't explain to me why PC prices have been falling since they were introduced? do you know anything about ecnomics?
why would someone whos rich want the world to be fair?
it's the rich's responsibility to make the world fair? please enlighten me how they can do this.
now this shows how full of shit you are. without mentioning inflation, saying prices are rising have little meaning. have you been to mcdonalds? their prices have hardly been rising, the portions have been getting for the dollar to boot. microsoft products have roughtly stayed the same for years. Prices for some things do drop for many reasons. how come you left out the most obvious example, PCs?
We would be replaced by a guy in afganastan willing to work 14 hours a day for a penny an hour.
what would that guy do? computer programming? mechanical engineering? with their infrastructure? get real.
With no minimum wage why should any company ever hire you?Umm..because i have some skills that are in demand? because the company might need good workers to keep making money?
? I sure as hell wouldnt hire any americans if i can hire chinese people to do slave labor or some people in afganastan.
Well, as soon as there are boatloads of afghani C programmers, then I'll start quaking in my boots. And also minimum wage jobs are hardly slave labor. you have the option to go somewhere else.
your logic and reasoning is so comically bad i really wonder where you get your education from. you really are embarrassing yourself with your words.
People should get paid what they are worth, period.
they already are, though in your mind maybe not. who else will determine that? by the governments? we've seen last century how badly that worked out.
Do you know why the pop up ad economy online failed? or the dot com economy failed? Ads got cheaper and cheaper until the ad business was no longer profitable
no, that's just utterly and totally false, which shows how much you really don't know.
i admit, i do take a bit of a perverse pleasure in reading your insane socialist rantings. it's so dumb, it's funny.
this idea is so ridiculously bad on so many levels it would be laughed out of any economics 101 class, but hey this is slashdot so it passes for insightful.
Not only would this MGW (as you put it) not solve any problems, it would only create them.
Theres so many stupid statements in this comment, I wouldn't want to waste time to rip apart, but these moderators should know better.
I mean no businesses use linux. Why would anyone need staroffice
comparing linux vs. other os's and staroffice vs. ms office is not even close to the same. whereas different OS's are better suited to some tasks than others, all office suites serve the same purpose. plus there is almost no reason (aside from cost) for anyone to not choose ms office, and maybe wordperfect in some circles. anyways cost is not an overriding concern when business by these products.
so sarcasm notwithstanding, you are correct. Why would anyone need staroffice indeed?
you seem to have a psychic's ability to read into what mandrake and business users want.
well, you are just speculating and talking straight out of your ass. how many business users want something outside of MS Office? In my actually experience (which you seem to have none) it's almost nobody.
telling people to shut up or subscribe is plain idiotic. how about those subscribed thinking they were getting one thing than it gets changed later?
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If you want to make a real argument sometime, be my guest. Otherwise, this is just nonsense you just spit out makes you look even more like a bitter fool.
First, an education is an good thing to have in the industrialized world, be it high school, college, grad school, whatever. For those that don't have that, then it's going to be tougher to get ahead, no doubt. But education is readily available here, so if someone doesn't have it, then it's really nobody's fault for that other than their own.
If you actually see the people who work at McDonald's most are students, part-timer, and others who are using it as a stepping stone. It could be that's the only job they are qualified for. But most don't stick around, they build their skills and education and find something better.
i dont think programming is the kinda job which takes alot of training, its something someone in china or india can do if they read a book and are given a refrence manual.
Only someone who has no idea what a paid programmer does could make a ridiculous statement like that. No company in their right mind would hire someone like that who just "read a book".
Well, that's why you are sitting where you are, because others did take the risks and became tremendously successful. You don't become successful by sitting on your ass and not taking risks.
Do you want an economics lesson from me? ok, i'll bite and play along:
A. In a global economy, how do you secure your spot when you compete with the world?
Well that's basically up to each and every person to decide that path for themselves..that's the free world you live in. You choose your own future. But in the Industrialized world, more education is one good path.
B. What incentive does a company in the US have to hiring American workers over cheaper and equally efficient workers in other countries.
Foreign workers may be cheaper, but they're not necessarily better or more productive. You can ship unskilled jobs out, but the skilled workers are still found in the industrial world, or those with the education from there.
C. Whats to stop the wages from going down..
Maybe because nobody would take those jobs if it paid that much? Companies can offer to pay less, but the employee will turn it down if they see others getting more or if he says the opportunity to get more elsewhere. These businesses can't just choose to cut pay. The best and brightest would leave and hurt them more.
D. How does more competition benifit the American worker?
Competition's purpose is not to benefit the individual worker directly. It's so that consumers can have a better product, more choices, better service. The effect is that also it benefits workers. When competition is healthy, companies want more and better workers to help provide that better whateveritis. I can see you already didn't compete with those "sweatshop programmers" since many of those including Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, John Carmack worked sweatshop hours in their salad days to become multi-billionaires.
firstly, i like how you take my comment out of context about afghani programmers and change them to chinese programmers. remember what you said?
We would be replaced by a guy in afganastan willing to work 14 hours a day for a penny an hour.
China is a different case, and if you want to argue that go ahead, but don't twist my word around. I will say that the business infrastructure in China is still not mature enough for foreign companies to dive right in. Bureaucracies, corruption, nepotism, transparency are still a hinderence to foreign investment.
And you seem to think Chinese, Indian or really anyone else with a computer in any country or even access to an internet cafe like box couldnt learn C?
Learning C is one thing, becoming a skilled programmer that companies will hire is another. Maybe that's why many of them come here to a U.S. university to learn.
You seem to think "money" and "intelligence" are related,
where did i say such a thing? Stop putting words in my mouth, or back them up.
Sure these people dont have food and water, because of this they will be very motivated to learn C and master computers
It's statements like these that make me think you're a troll, but trolls aren't this obvious and dumb.
why would someone whos rich want the world to be fair?
it's the rich's responsibility to make the world fair? please enlighten me how they can do this.
now this shows how full of shit you are. without mentioning inflation, saying prices are rising have little meaning. have you been to mcdonalds? their prices have hardly been rising, the portions have been getting for the dollar to boot. microsoft products have roughtly stayed the same for years. Prices for some things do drop for many reasons. how come you left out the most obvious example, PCs?
what would that guy do? computer programming? mechanical engineering? with their infrastructure? get real.
With no minimum wage why should any company ever hire you?Umm..because i have some skills that are in demand? because the company might need good workers to keep making money?
? I sure as hell wouldnt hire any americans if i can hire chinese people to do slave labor or some people in afganastan.
Well, as soon as there are boatloads of afghani C programmers, then I'll start quaking in my boots. And also minimum wage jobs are hardly slave labor. you have the option to go somewhere else.
Work != exploitation.
People should get paid what they are worth, period.
they already are, though in your mind maybe not. who else will determine that? by the governments? we've seen last century how badly that worked out.
Do you know why the pop up ad economy online failed? or the dot com economy failed? Ads got cheaper and cheaper until the ad business was no longer profitable
no, that's just utterly and totally false, which shows how much you really don't know.
i admit, i do take a bit of a perverse pleasure in reading your insane socialist rantings. it's so dumb, it's funny.
Not only would this MGW (as you put it) not solve any problems, it would only create them.
Theres so many stupid statements in this comment, I wouldn't want to waste time to rip apart, but these moderators should know better.
comparing linux vs. other os's and staroffice vs. ms office is not even close to the same. whereas different OS's are better suited to some tasks than others, all office suites serve the same purpose. plus there is almost no reason (aside from cost) for anyone to not choose ms office, and maybe wordperfect in some circles. anyways cost is not an overriding concern when business by these products.
so sarcasm notwithstanding, you are correct. Why would anyone need staroffice indeed?
you seem to have a psychic's ability to read into what mandrake and business users want.
well, you are just speculating and talking straight out of your ass. how many business users want something outside of MS Office? In my actually experience (which you seem to have none) it's almost nobody.
telling people to shut up or subscribe is plain idiotic. how about those subscribed thinking they were getting one thing than it gets changed later?