Come on, people, isn't it obvious and consensually settled that unprecedented Climate Change is ultimately the problematic source of this unsustainable problem?
People have allowed themselves to get emotional and politicized by the AGW issue. And they're frightened (they'll say they're "concerned" or "forward-thinking" or "cautious" because being frightened is not virtuous). It is very difficult to reason with a frightened person because fear clouds their ability to think rationally. The often vicious reactions of The True Believers to skeptics reveals the extent of the fear (or perhaps reveals the hidden bad faith political motives).
We'll see what happens in Paris and the Mann vs. Steyn trial.
Keep on believin' and feeling good about yourself because you really care about the planet but I suggest you start looking for an out - we're already seeing people claiming "pre-traumatic stress disorders" because evil deniers like me refuse to believe their tales of coming gloom and doom. Oh, the humanity.
It's not a good thing that there are people in the world who assume that anyone opposed to massive economic restructuring based on flimsy evidence also believes in, according to you:
"vaccines cause autism, that the halocaust was a lie, that aliens landed at Roswell, that all of Shakespeare's works were actually written by another person who was also named Shakespeare, that we didn't land on the moon"
I'm betting that you also bought in to the "97% of scientists..." assertion as tweeted by Obama.
But you're sort of right about one thing, just replace your word, "conspiracy" with the word, "fraud" or parhaps, "scam".
I thought of this as well. Presumably the telemetry sends back to the controller what, a text file with second-by-second readings of path and altitude? If so, this would seem to be not too difficult to modify and feed back into the controller for screen playback, but I don't really have detailed knowledge of how this works. Somebody else reading this surely does.
But that's the whole contention on the subject; what is the impact and how much is the impact (yes, yes, I know thousands of examples will be cited, all provided by people with a vested interest in there being "a crisis". Remember never to let a good crisis go to waste, and the best crisis is one that you've created yourself). I don't trust much in alarmist predictions from people who effectively gain from making alarmist predictions. 97% of the climate scientists who are making alarm noises and saying we must drastically change our economic system etc. are on the receiving end of government funding and the IPCC is a branch of the UN (also, of course, government funded, known to have some of the best bureaucrats available who are interested in expanding the power and reach of the UN) whose mandate is to study man's impact on climate - AND NO OTHER CAUSES OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
I suppose now The True Believers will show up as usual with their ad homs, standard talking points and pitchforks.
"If we find eight ways to make 1.2% savings across different areas then that is nearly a 10% reduction in the human generation of greenhouse gases."
You don't suppose all these dozens and dozens of 1.2% tiny savingses added up will require oodles and gobs of new governmental regulations and spending, do you?
So much of the blather coming from those who feel compelled to impose their beliefs on others is essentially virtue-signalling and an inner tendency towards authoritarianism. Of course, being sufficiently self aware to realize that authoritarianism doesn't sell too well, these people wheel out and prop up some other fashionable and remotely plausible cause as cover for the rude behavior and the attempted forcing of government to compel others to comply with their wishes.
Agreed, but a substantial amount is gaming the business and the trick is attracting and extracting investor dollars with full knowledge that there's little chance of success (let alone sustained success) once the money runs out.
It's really difficult to reason with those who have emoted themselves into a position, but at least you gave it a try. It's always amusing to hear them cry science! as if everyone who disagrees with them is a moron. How many of the five tactics below have we seen repeated ad nauseum from the climate doomers over the past 20 years or so?
1. The rule of simplification: reducing all data to a single confrontation between ‘Good and Bad’, ‘Friend and Foe’.
2. The rule of disfiguration: discrediting the opposition by crude smears and parodies.
3. The rule of transfusion: manipulating the consensus values of the target audience for one’s own ends.
4. The rule of unanimity: presenting one’s viewpoint as if it were the unanimous opinion of all right-thinking people: drawing the doubting individual into agreement by the appeal of star performers, by social pressure, and by ‘psychological contagion’.
5. The rule of orchestration: endlessly repeating the same messages in different variations and combinations.”
In no way have those who have made endless extraordinary claims provided any extraordinary evidence. It's precise (but not accurate), "sophisticated" models and the precautionary principal all the way down, while consuming government grant money at an unprecedented pace.
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High beams!
Come on, people, isn't it obvious and consensually settled that unprecedented Climate Change is ultimately the problematic source of this unsustainable problem?
Excellent post.
"Women's t-shirts have lower necklines..."
I think you're getting closer to the *real* reason why the patriarchal, sexist lechers keep the temperature low in offices...
Solution is smash the patriarchy!
"It will cost us billions and is expected to have an effect that is within the statistical measuring error."
That's only one of the problems with the whole boondoggle. And I think your estimate should have read 'tens of billions', if not more.
People have allowed themselves to get emotional and politicized by the AGW issue. And they're frightened (they'll say they're "concerned" or "forward-thinking" or "cautious" because being frightened is not virtuous). It is very difficult to reason with a frightened person because fear clouds their ability to think rationally. The often vicious reactions of The True Believers to skeptics reveals the extent of the fear (or perhaps reveals the hidden bad faith political motives).
Agreed. But: gasoline is already taxed at the pump. I'm not familiar with heating oil or coal's taxation (if any).
"Solar isn't last because of some grand conspiracy. It's last because it's the most expensive."
Does this tale into account existing subsidies for solar?
It's not as if it's a lie per se, it's just saying things that aren't true (yet) that she really, really wants to be true.
We'll see what happens in Paris and the Mann vs. Steyn trial.
Keep on believin' and feeling good about yourself because you really care about the planet but I suggest you start looking for an out - we're already seeing people claiming "pre-traumatic stress disorders" because evil deniers like me refuse to believe their tales of coming gloom and doom. Oh, the humanity.
What about 'thug'. Can non-blacks say 'thug'? Am I wrong to type 'black'? Should it be 'African-American' instead? Or People of Color?
Who cares who abused the robot? Why wasn't the robot armed? Why didn't the robot dial 911?
We all knew the robot was going to be molested somewhere during the US trip.
It's not a good thing that there are people in the world who assume that anyone opposed to massive economic restructuring based on flimsy evidence also believes in, according to you:
"vaccines cause autism, that the halocaust was a lie, that aliens landed at Roswell, that all of Shakespeare's works were actually written by another person who was also named Shakespeare, that we didn't land on the moon"
I'm betting that you also bought in to the "97% of scientists..." assertion as tweeted by Obama.
But you're sort of right about one thing, just replace your word, "conspiracy" with the word, "fraud" or parhaps, "scam".
Keep on misrepresentin'!
Meh. Some people just don't know when they're being conned. Carry on groupthinking, there's safety in numbers.
I thought of this as well. Presumably the telemetry sends back to the controller what, a text file with second-by-second readings of path and altitude? If so, this would seem to be not too difficult to modify and feed back into the controller for screen playback, but I don't really have detailed knowledge of how this works. Somebody else reading this surely does.
Don't we need to see a photo?
"...our impact on the environment..."
But that's the whole contention on the subject; what is the impact and how much is the impact (yes, yes, I know thousands of examples will be cited, all provided by people with a vested interest in there being "a crisis". Remember never to let a good crisis go to waste, and the best crisis is one that you've created yourself). I don't trust much in alarmist predictions from people who effectively gain from making alarmist predictions. 97% of the climate scientists who are making alarm noises and saying we must drastically change our economic system etc. are on the receiving end of government funding and the IPCC is a branch of the UN (also, of course, government funded, known to have some of the best bureaucrats available who are interested in expanding the power and reach of the UN) whose mandate is to study man's impact on climate - AND NO OTHER CAUSES OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
I suppose now The True Believers will show up as usual with their ad homs, standard talking points and pitchforks.
"If we find eight ways to make 1.2% savings across different areas then that is nearly a 10% reduction in the human generation of greenhouse gases."
You don't suppose all these dozens and dozens of 1.2% tiny savingses added up will require oodles and gobs of new governmental regulations and spending, do you?
So much of the blather coming from those who feel compelled to impose their beliefs on others is essentially virtue-signalling and an inner tendency towards authoritarianism. Of course, being sufficiently self aware to realize that authoritarianism doesn't sell too well, these people wheel out and prop up some other fashionable and remotely plausible cause as cover for the rude behavior and the attempted forcing of government to compel others to comply with their wishes.
Whoops, OT there a bit.
I'm certain they are. Did I claim otherwise?
Agreed, but a substantial amount is gaming the business and the trick is attracting and extracting investor dollars with full knowledge that there's little chance of success (let alone sustained success) once the money runs out.
Hyper-rational? Just because the business is computer software and hardware related? I don't think that necessarily follows.
It's really difficult to reason with those who have emoted themselves into a position, but at least you gave it a try. It's always amusing to hear them cry science! as if everyone who disagrees with them is a moron. How many of the five tactics below have we seen repeated ad nauseum from the climate doomers over the past 20 years or so?
“Theorists of propaganda have identified five basic rules:
1. The rule of simplification: reducing all data to a single confrontation between ‘Good and Bad’, ‘Friend and Foe’.
2. The rule of disfiguration: discrediting the opposition by crude smears and parodies.
3. The rule of transfusion: manipulating the consensus values of the target audience for one’s own ends.
4. The rule of unanimity: presenting one’s viewpoint as if it were the unanimous opinion of all right-thinking people: drawing the doubting individual into agreement by the appeal of star performers, by social pressure, and by ‘psychological contagion’.
5. The rule of orchestration: endlessly repeating the same messages in different variations and combinations.”
In no way have those who have made endless extraordinary claims provided any extraordinary evidence. It's precise (but not accurate), "sophisticated" models and the precautionary principal all the way down, while consuming government grant money at an unprecedented pace.
You should try to not be so frightened of things but I can tell that you probably just enjoy using the climate boogeyman as a tool.