He also said, "nicely put," which is a valid reason to mod something up.
Actually, unfortunately it is not supposed to be, though in posts in the past, I've proposed that there be a +1 Well-Written (or perhaps +1 Eloquent would be better).
I just described how a reasonable profit could be made. An ISP ships censorware combined with DNS service from this company. Not that difficult.
You obviously have no children of your own
You are correct, though your insinuation that this disqualifies me from having valid opinions on the matter is simply stupid. My ideas are based on my own childhood. My parents were always quite honest with me. They did not go out of their way to expose me to violence or nudity or deaths in the family, but they never attempted to hide it or lie about it. Whenever possible, they'd go over something like this with me. If they said that driving a car without a seat belt was a bad idea, they'd justify it.
I have tremendous respect for my parents because of this. I think that this is not something innate. Parents that say that children should simply follow their morals and instructions because they "are their parents" *might* have gratitude or at least control over rewards and punishments to the child to try to force them to follow their own ideals. They might succeed, at least in the short term. But I think that such a parent could never achieve the same sense of trust that I had with my parents.
Children follow their parents' lead best when their parents have shown themselves to be consistently right, not when they try to force children to follow their lead. If you want a child who will be a leader, who will be responsible and independent, then I think you need to raise him in such an environment.
I know this will probably rankle a few parents -- everyone has their own ideas on what is best for a child. I still think that honesty really *is* the best policy. Let your children know the weaker, less perfect side of people. Let them see their parents as human -- loving humans, someone that they can be friends with as well as child to. A parent shouldn't try to be a God-like being that issues edicts from on high.
Kuro5hin definitely has discussion that's more intelligent than Slashdot, if you take each as a whole. However, it's also full of extremist libertarians, which means that you get a full dose of political dogma when you go there, instead of just straightforward technical discussion.
I think the readership age of Kuro5hin is probably about ten years higher, on average, than Slashdot, and the issues and opinions tend to reflect that.
Finally, after a hard day of dealing with someone's frusterating technical problems caused by a poorly written piece of MS software, a lot of IT people like to kick back with a hot drink and enjoy a little Linux feelgoodism.
I went back to mud a few months ago a bit for old times sake. I went looking for a tty-mode mud client, and found mcl, which doesn't seem bad.
Back when I mudded more seriously, all I used was a pretty normal telnet client (well, with a separate line-buffer text field...that's kind of a must-have).
I could never understand why people bitterly hate Wal-Mart so much. They are simply not a bad company. They provide reasonable products, pretty good returns, and pretty good prices. Yes, they beat a lot of competitors (and this is partly a result of these facts). But from a consumer's point of view, Wal-Mart is a Good Thing.
I think this is scary because people like us who actually need/use higher end hardware will end up paying more.
I wonder how many people actually need higher end hardware. I still use a PII/266, and the only thing that I really would like to do that I can't is software DVD decoding. That becomes feasible at about a PII/400. Beyond that...well, there are games, but there are always games, and games hardly classify as a "need" item.
What you're identifying is that there's a broad spectrum of products out there. Maybe you drive...oh, I don't know. A Ford. Nothing wrong with that Ford. Sure, there are Ferraris out there, but that doesn't make the Ford any worse, except maybe as a status symbol. Don't measure what's "good" by what is "most expensive" or even "best". Just because there's something "better" out there doesn't mean that you need it.
I have to buy a very high end hard drive in the SCSI range if I want to get a decent warranty.
It certainly depends on your idea of a "decent" warranty. Most people are thinking about upgrading their hard drives after about three years or so, which is available even on the cheapest hard drives through extended warranties. You really don't need an $800 SCSI hard drive (and the surprisingly little amount of reliability said money buys you) to get reasonable storage.
Ever notice that all the reasonably priced network cards have cheapo Realtek chipsets?
You know, the only real user-noticable difference I've seen at a basic functionality level (ignoring Wake On LAN and stuff like that) is in driver quality. 3com does have (had) significantly more solid Linux drivers -- it used to be that both tulip and rtk-8139 (or whatever the name was) did a full reset after 16 failed transmits -- disaster on a totally saturated Ethernet. It required about two seconds. My 3c905b's driver, OTOH, kept on chugging.
If you open up your RealTek driver, you'll notice lots of nasty comments from Donald Becker (Mister Linux Ethernet himself) about lousy RealTek design, but there really isn't a whole lot of bad stuff to them in a normal environment. So maybe there's something I'm missing. But frankly, I can't pick up any difference between Ethernet cards -- just the drivers.
Cases are really cheap and I want a good one, I probably have to send CAD$200+ to get an aluminum one with good airflow and slots for HDD cooling fans.
So don't build a system that generates that much heat. It is a bit depressing that hardware manufacturers have strayed a bit far towards the "damn the heat, performance at all costs" path, but you really do not need an aluminum case or hard drive fans. Get some nice cool quiet 5400 RPM drives, and relax.
Server quality mobos aren't exactly cheap either.
"Server quality"? What, you expect your ordinary old motherboard to spontaneously fail? It's solid state. Unless you damage the thing, it's going to be fine.
Twice in my life, I've blamed a motherboard for hardware issues. Both times it was a PCI card (once video, once Firewire). Motherboards are tough little beasts -- you really do not need a "server quality mobo", whatever you mean by that.
I'd love to know how "protecting the children" came to be associated with "censoring what youth can be made aware of". I'd personally say that a nationwide attempt at suppression and lying would damage, not "protect" a child.
Of course, that's just me, and I'm not a fundamentalist Baptist, so what do I know?
"Today the owners of www.cnn.com were arrested, charged with a terrorist act for disseminating radical material -- information and links about the defacing of foo.kids.us".
What's wrong with it? They rarely glorify violence (oh, movies and TV series do, but not normally the regular media), and the "squirm" response when someone dies horribly is *healthy* -- it means that you're likely to avoid such scenerios.
Keeping people in the dark about things that aren't immediately "comfortable" or "pleasant" doesn't do much to help them.
Which is an excellent example of why governments should not get their hands involved.
I simply do not see why the government needs to run something like this, or put laws in place. It's quite easy for a private company to build (and spider) a *.kids.com domain or something similar. A DNS server, and a bit of spider code, maybe a few months of work. You resell DNS service to ISPs, ISPs sell it as a value-added bit to add appeal. No government intervention required.
Aside from sucking up to Republican conservatives, this simply doesn't have much point.
Furthermore, it's going to open a whole can of worms. If my tax dollars are going to support the company with the contract, what if my definition of what's "appropriate" differs from someone else? I can already see fights and lawsuits brewing over this, all of which would not be a problem if this was simply handled in the private sector.
If you want responsible citizens tomorrow, America, teach the children of today to be responsible. Let them see whatever content they want -- and teach them to deal with it responsibly.
I really don't think I could have put this any better myself. It's a shame that there aren't more parents like you -- I personally think it's a terribly scarring experience to have your parents try to hide things from you.
The viewpoint has slowly but steadily shifted away from decieving children -- old movies with a noble uncle telling Jimmy that his parents "went away" are less and less visible. It's still vogue in parenting magazines and the sort to pretend that sex doesn't exist (though violence seems to be quite acceptable). Changle will happen -- it's inevitable -- and a few generations from now, people will look back on our society with the same sort of incredulous contempt that we look on Victorian England.
I always had a wonderful relationship with my parents. They never ever lied to me, and tried to support and advise me as best they could. In return, I felt comfortable with telling them anything. Parents that expect their children to be open and truthful with them should lead by example.
I strongly agree. Trying to keep your kids from running into content is futile; to keep them from running into content until they are "mature enough" is silly -- how is one to gain maturity without experience?
Design the damn DRM system so that it doesn't need laws to stand on its own. Laws that exist just to ensure a company a profit because they have subpar technology are stupid.
When KOffice is *finished*, it might be best-of-breed. At the moment, it's far behind OpenOffice (bizarrely, part of the GNOME project), and even things like AbiWord have a better shot at being best-of-breed.
Konqueror was use at one point, when Mozilla sucked, but now you just use it with the mozilla renderer instead of khtml if you want to handle all sites. And then...you might as well be using galeon.
I've never used a GUI program to do PPP, though I know that RH puts out something (rp3? Sounds right...) and there are plenty of PPP GNOME utils. So I can't really compare.
Quanta is not the nicest HTML editor, or is Kate the best GUI text editor by a long shot -- xemacs has and will rule the Linux world here. Nor do I think your IDE can stand up to xemacs.
Scribus isn't even close to done, and I think for the time being, anyone wanting professional output from Linux is going to be stuck with LaTeX (not that LaTeX is bad, but it certainly takes time to learn).
I haven't looked at Rosegarden recently -- last I looked, it was based on Tk or something, and there was talk of using Qt but no code. I'll have to look at that.
the rest of the apps you gave are small
The apps I was talking about are ones that I use...I was just glancing around my desktop. The fact that there is no KDE equivalent for these programs says that:
that says a lot about GTK+'s suitability for writing large applications
? I think not.
I haven't ever heard of MuSE, though I'll take a look.
medical imaging or geological survey apps
I haven't looked for GTK versions of these (wouldn't surprise me if there are any) because I simply have zero interest in either field. As do 99% of the people out there.
Opera is unusable on Linux (where one has virtual desktops), thanks to the MDI interface. I won't count that an indispensible app in the least, especially since it's little faster than Mozilla.
I haven't used HancomOffice, though it's gotten less than stellar reviews. I (and few other people) have a Zarus. For those few, I will happily endorse Qt Embedded.
"If you use Linux, you *will* be using gtk at some point"
Not really. The only GTK+ apps I keep around these days are the GIMP and Sodipodi
As I said. I use LICQ's Qt interface because it's slightly nicer than the gtk+ one, but even that has an alternative, and I'm about to give up on LICQ because of massive interoperability problems with the rest of the icq clients in the world.
(a) This is commissioned by *Microsoft*. No *shit* it shows Windows systems as cheaper TCO most of the time. Watch *Red Hat* commission a study, and you'll get some equally "selected" statistics, just the other way. It's all in which numbers you pick.
(b) Did you read the criteria for the tests? They interviewd a bunch of random people, asked what they did with their server, which OS they ran, asked them how much it cost, and did some averaging. This approach is utterly and completely bogus for this kind of study. People usually do *not* use Windows on higher end servers. Yeah, those things with some serious-ass load that *matter*. So, not surprisingly, the less critical servers tend to be Windows-based...and sonovabitch, the company spends *less* on those! Who woulda thunk!
I expect ESR or someone will run out and do a nitpicky analysis that tears it apart, but these items stand out to me, in a quick skim of the thing.
What's wrong with it? I use it constantly and don't have any problems.
Granted, back in the pre-1.0 days of gtkmm, the documentation was pretty bad, with basically a hello world program and nothing else, but it's fine now.
And we don't owe anything to Trolltech, and don't (as evidenced by Sun and Red Hat, the two largest and most influential vendors involved by *far*) have to accept their terms.
the overall effect is...kinda like Windows done right
Except many people don't like Windows, and dislike KDE for the copy-Windows approach. It's a matter of flavor -- GNOME diverges more radically from Windows.
I do have to say that this is something like the ultimate slap in the face for the KDE project -- built to replace CDE, its ultimate goal was to do exactly what GNOME is now doing.
Of course, lots of Qt promotion running around...might as well add my own gtk promotion.:-)
GNOME is much more acceptable to adopt as a major standard partly because of the far, far broader application support. The gtk application base has got to be at least five times the Qt application base. There's only a single "killer app" on Linux that's written in Qt -- licq, the best-of-breed Linux ICQ client (which *still* has issues with Windows clients and also has a gtk interface). If you use Linux, you *will* be using gtk at some point -- gimp, xmms, gtk-gnutella, dctc/dc_gui, gkrellm, sodipodi...and if you want a consistent desktop, a gtk-based environment is really the only way to go, since you're going to have to use gtk anyway.
Sun chose long ago, and has been putting plenty of effort into GNOME for a while ago. People acting shocked that they didn't fall behind KDE shouldn't be surprised -- the choice was made a long time ago -- Sun's usability work, donation of code...
Other major points -- the development model is much more appealing to Sun. GNOME has a very open architecture. It's much easier to get something accepted into GNOME than KDE, and GNOME is much less tightly controlled by the GNOME people than KDE is by the KDE people. It's a more open development process. Sun probably decided that it couldn't control the KDE people, so the GNOME approach gave it more freedom to do things the way it wants to.
Next, cross platform support -- as has been mentioned in other posts, in the Solaris world, there are more closed-source app developers who don't want to screw around with GPLing cross platform stuff. The license is much more of an issue on Solaris than it is on Linux.
I doubt many people truly "master" C++, aside from Bjorn himself. There are too many nooks and crannies of things to know about, and most people stick with a subset, like Perl.
I purchased Bjorn's book a ways back...I'd never run into autopointers, and there were *keywords* that I'd never heard of. And he didn't even cover the STL.
The default mode is ordered. Basically, this journals only metadata, preventing your filesystem from becoming corrupted. This is the big worry for most people -- losing everything on your partition because of a power loss at a bad time. This may sound not so great, but it's what most other journalling filesystems do --only worry about metadata.
Journalled mode journals everything, including file data and metadata. This is the uber-reliable (well, when it doesn't have corruption-causing bugs) mode that most filesystems don't bother with because of the speed hit.
How can you verify that this option is not enabled
You can look for options in/etc/fstab...it's ordered by default, but if there's an option data=journal, then it's journalled.
If you're using 2.4.20 right now, I think I'd reboot into your older kernel right now.:-)
But inexplicably, "overrated" and "underrated" are apparently immune to metamoderation (according to a friend who *hasn't* had their moderation and metamoderation privs stripped from them by Taco's bloodthirsty cabal).
I strongly agree with "Misinformative", though I think I'd change it to "Incorrect", since "Misinformative" implies an attempt to deliberately spread misinformation (like the insidious Professor Collins, for instance). "Misinformative" has a time and a place, but perhaps not serving the place of a term that simply means "wrong".
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Wasn't there a troll or some other critter in the old Broom-Hilda cartoon named Gaylord? There was Hilda, that fuzzy guy, and then, IIRC, Gaylord.
He also said, "nicely put," which is a valid reason to mod something up.
Actually, unfortunately it is not supposed to be, though in posts in the past, I've proposed that there be a +1 Well-Written (or perhaps +1 Eloquent would be better).
Because there's no profit in it.
I just described how a reasonable profit could be made. An ISP ships censorware combined with DNS service from this company. Not that difficult.
You obviously have no children of your own
You are correct, though your insinuation that this disqualifies me from having valid opinions on the matter is simply stupid. My ideas are based on my own childhood. My parents were always quite honest with me. They did not go out of their way to expose me to violence or nudity or deaths in the family, but they never attempted to hide it or lie about it. Whenever possible, they'd go over something like this with me. If they said that driving a car without a seat belt was a bad idea, they'd justify it.
I have tremendous respect for my parents because of this. I think that this is not something innate. Parents that say that children should simply follow their morals and instructions because they "are their parents" *might* have gratitude or at least control over rewards and punishments to the child to try to force them to follow their own ideals. They might succeed, at least in the short term. But I think that such a parent could never achieve the same sense of trust that I had with my parents.
Children follow their parents' lead best when their parents have shown themselves to be consistently right, not when they try to force children to follow their lead. If you want a child who will be a leader, who will be responsible and independent, then I think you need to raise him in such an environment.
I know this will probably rankle a few parents -- everyone has their own ideas on what is best for a child. I still think that honesty really *is* the best policy. Let your children know the weaker, less perfect side of people. Let them see their parents as human -- loving humans, someone that they can be friends with as well as child to. A parent shouldn't try to be a God-like being that issues edicts from on high.
Kuro5hin definitely has discussion that's more intelligent than Slashdot, if you take each as a whole. However, it's also full of extremist libertarians, which means that you get a full dose of political dogma when you go there, instead of just straightforward technical discussion.
I think the readership age of Kuro5hin is probably about ten years higher, on average, than Slashdot, and the issues and opinions tend to reflect that.
Finally, after a hard day of dealing with someone's frusterating technical problems caused by a poorly written piece of MS software, a lot of IT people like to kick back with a hot drink and enjoy a little Linux feelgoodism.
What features are you looking for?
I went back to mud a few months ago a bit for old times sake. I went looking for a tty-mode mud client, and found mcl, which doesn't seem bad.
Back when I mudded more seriously, all I used was a pretty normal telnet client (well, with a separate line-buffer text field...that's kind of a must-have).
I could never understand why people bitterly hate Wal-Mart so much. They are simply not a bad company. They provide reasonable products, pretty good returns, and pretty good prices. Yes, they beat a lot of competitors (and this is partly a result of these facts). But from a consumer's point of view, Wal-Mart is a Good Thing.
I think this is scary because people like us who actually need/use higher end hardware will end up paying more.
I wonder how many people actually need higher end hardware. I still use a PII/266, and the only thing that I really would like to do that I can't is software DVD decoding. That becomes feasible at about a PII/400. Beyond that...well, there are games, but there are always games, and games hardly classify as a "need" item.
What you're identifying is that there's a broad spectrum of products out there. Maybe you drive...oh, I don't know. A Ford. Nothing wrong with that Ford. Sure, there are Ferraris out there, but that doesn't make the Ford any worse, except maybe as a status symbol. Don't measure what's "good" by what is "most expensive" or even "best". Just because there's something "better" out there doesn't mean that you need it.
I have to buy a very high end hard drive in the SCSI range if I want to get a decent warranty.
It certainly depends on your idea of a "decent" warranty. Most people are thinking about upgrading their hard drives after about three years or so, which is available even on the cheapest hard drives through extended warranties. You really don't need an $800 SCSI hard drive (and the surprisingly little amount of reliability said money buys you) to get reasonable storage.
Ever notice that all the reasonably priced network cards have cheapo Realtek chipsets?
You know, the only real user-noticable difference I've seen at a basic functionality level (ignoring Wake On LAN and stuff like that) is in driver quality. 3com does have (had) significantly more solid Linux drivers -- it used to be that both tulip and rtk-8139 (or whatever the name was) did a full reset after 16 failed transmits -- disaster on a totally saturated Ethernet. It required about two seconds. My 3c905b's driver, OTOH, kept on chugging.
If you open up your RealTek driver, you'll notice lots of nasty comments from Donald Becker (Mister Linux Ethernet himself) about lousy RealTek design, but there really isn't a whole lot of bad stuff to them in a normal environment. So maybe there's something I'm missing. But frankly, I can't pick up any difference between Ethernet cards -- just the drivers.
Cases are really cheap and I want a good one, I probably have to send CAD$200+ to get an aluminum one with good airflow and slots for HDD cooling fans.
So don't build a system that generates that much heat. It is a bit depressing that hardware manufacturers have strayed a bit far towards the "damn the heat, performance at all costs" path, but you really do not need an aluminum case or hard drive fans. Get some nice cool quiet 5400 RPM drives, and relax.
Server quality mobos aren't exactly cheap either.
"Server quality"? What, you expect your ordinary old motherboard to spontaneously fail? It's solid state. Unless you damage the thing, it's going to be fine.
Twice in my life, I've blamed a motherboard for hardware issues. Both times it was a PCI card (once video, once Firewire). Motherboards are tough little beasts -- you really do not need a "server quality mobo", whatever you mean by that.
"protecting the children"
I'd love to know how "protecting the children" came to be associated with "censoring what youth can be made aware of". I'd personally say that a nationwide attempt at suppression and lying would damage, not "protect" a child.
Of course, that's just me, and I'm not a fundamentalist Baptist, so what do I know?
"Today the owners of www.cnn.com were arrested, charged with a terrorist act for disseminating radical material -- information and links about the defacing of foo.kids.us".
What's wrong with it? They rarely glorify violence (oh, movies and TV series do, but not normally the regular media), and the "squirm" response when someone dies horribly is *healthy* -- it means that you're likely to avoid such scenerios.
Keeping people in the dark about things that aren't immediately "comfortable" or "pleasant" doesn't do much to help them.
What prevents a kid-safe version of the news going up at cnn.kids.us?
And suddenly the "solution" to the problem, oddly enough, winds up directing scads of money (again) into the pockets of the name registrars.
Apparently, .cn has similar restrictions...
Which is an excellent example of why governments should not get their hands involved.
I simply do not see why the government needs to run something like this, or put laws in place. It's quite easy for a private company to build (and spider) a *.kids.com domain or something similar. A DNS server, and a bit of spider code, maybe a few months of work. You resell DNS service to ISPs, ISPs sell it as a value-added bit to add appeal. No government intervention required.
Aside from sucking up to Republican conservatives, this simply doesn't have much point.
Furthermore, it's going to open a whole can of worms. If my tax dollars are going to support the company with the contract, what if my definition of what's "appropriate" differs from someone else? I can already see fights and lawsuits brewing over this, all of which would not be a problem if this was simply handled in the private sector.
If you want responsible citizens tomorrow, America, teach the children of today to be responsible. Let them see whatever content they want -- and teach them to deal with it responsibly.
I really don't think I could have put this any better myself. It's a shame that there aren't more parents like you -- I personally think it's a terribly scarring experience to have your parents try to hide things from you.
The viewpoint has slowly but steadily shifted away from decieving children -- old movies with a noble uncle telling Jimmy that his parents "went away" are less and less visible. It's still vogue in parenting magazines and the sort to pretend that sex doesn't exist (though violence seems to be quite acceptable). Changle will happen -- it's inevitable -- and a few generations from now, people will look back on our society with the same sort of incredulous contempt that we look on Victorian England.
I always had a wonderful relationship with my parents. They never ever lied to me, and tried to support and advise me as best they could. In return, I felt comfortable with telling them anything. Parents that expect their children to be open and truthful with them should lead by example.
Real parenting is hard.
I strongly agree. Trying to keep your kids from running into content is futile; to keep them from running into content until they are "mature enough" is silly -- how is one to gain maturity without experience?
insert standard comments
-- We're sure going to need this much space for the next version of Windows!
Design the damn DRM system so that it doesn't need laws to stand on its own. Laws that exist just to ensure a company a profit because they have subpar technology are stupid.
Discounting of course the whole of KOffice
When KOffice is *finished*, it might be best-of-breed. At the moment, it's far behind OpenOffice (bizarrely, part of the GNOME project), and even things like AbiWord have a better shot at being best-of-breed.
Konqueror was use at one point, when Mozilla sucked, but now you just use it with the mozilla renderer instead of khtml if you want to handle all sites. And then...you might as well be using galeon.
I've never used a GUI program to do PPP, though I know that RH puts out something (rp3? Sounds right...) and there are plenty of PPP GNOME utils. So I can't really compare.
Quanta is not the nicest HTML editor, or is Kate the best GUI text editor by a long shot -- xemacs has and will rule the Linux world here. Nor do I think your IDE can stand up to xemacs.
Scribus isn't even close to done, and I think for the time being, anyone wanting professional output from Linux is going to be stuck with LaTeX (not that LaTeX is bad, but it certainly takes time to learn).
I haven't looked at Rosegarden recently -- last I looked, it was based on Tk or something, and there was talk of using Qt but no code. I'll have to look at that.
the rest of the apps you gave are small
The apps I was talking about are ones that I use...I was just glancing around my desktop. The fact that there is no KDE equivalent for these programs says that:
that says a lot about GTK+'s suitability for writing large applications
? I think not.
I haven't ever heard of MuSE, though I'll take a look.
medical imaging or geological survey apps
I haven't looked for GTK versions of these (wouldn't surprise me if there are any) because I simply have zero interest in either field. As do 99% of the people out there.
Opera is unusable on Linux (where one has virtual desktops), thanks to the MDI interface. I won't count that an indispensible app in the least, especially since it's little faster than Mozilla.
I haven't used HancomOffice, though it's gotten less than stellar reviews. I (and few other people) have a Zarus. For those few, I will happily endorse Qt Embedded.
"If you use Linux, you *will* be using gtk at some point"
Not really. The only GTK+ apps I keep around these days are the GIMP and Sodipodi
As I said. I use LICQ's Qt interface because it's slightly nicer than the gtk+ one, but even that has an alternative, and I'm about to give up on LICQ because of massive interoperability problems with the rest of the icq clients in the world.
Okay, this study is a *joke*.
(a) This is commissioned by *Microsoft*. No *shit* it shows Windows systems as cheaper TCO most of the time. Watch *Red Hat* commission a study, and you'll get some equally "selected" statistics, just the other way. It's all in which numbers you pick.
(b) Did you read the criteria for the tests? They interviewd a bunch of random people, asked what they did with their server, which OS they ran, asked them how much it cost, and did some averaging. This approach is utterly and completely bogus for this kind of study. People usually do *not* use Windows on higher end servers. Yeah, those things with some serious-ass load that *matter*. So, not surprisingly, the less critical servers tend to be Windows-based...and sonovabitch, the company spends *less* on those! Who woulda thunk!
I expect ESR or someone will run out and do a nitpicky analysis that tears it apart, but these items stand out to me, in a quick skim of the thing.
What's wrong with it? I use it constantly and don't have any problems.
Granted, back in the pre-1.0 days of gtkmm, the documentation was pretty bad, with basically a hello world program and nothing else, but it's fine now.
And we don't owe anything to Trolltech, and don't (as evidenced by Sun and Red Hat, the two largest and most influential vendors involved by *far*) have to accept their terms.
as a C++ programmer I prefer programming for KDE
Try the excellent gtkmm library. I've used it -- C++ works nicely in the non-KDE world as well, though it took a bit longer to get as nice.
the overall effect is...kinda like Windows done right
:-)
Except many people don't like Windows, and dislike KDE for the copy-Windows approach. It's a matter of flavor -- GNOME diverges more radically from Windows.
I do have to say that this is something like the ultimate slap in the face for the KDE project -- built to replace CDE, its ultimate goal was to do exactly what GNOME is now doing.
Of course, lots of Qt promotion running around...might as well add my own gtk promotion.
GNOME is much more acceptable to adopt as a major standard partly because of the far, far broader application support. The gtk application base has got to be at least five times the Qt application base. There's only a single "killer app" on Linux that's written in Qt -- licq, the best-of-breed Linux ICQ client (which *still* has issues with Windows clients and also has a gtk interface). If you use Linux, you *will* be using gtk at some point -- gimp, xmms, gtk-gnutella, dctc/dc_gui, gkrellm, sodipodi...and if you want a consistent desktop, a gtk-based environment is really the only way to go, since you're going to have to use gtk anyway.
Sun chose long ago, and has been putting plenty of effort into GNOME for a while ago. People acting shocked that they didn't fall behind KDE shouldn't be surprised -- the choice was made a long time ago -- Sun's usability work, donation of code...
Other major points -- the development model is much more appealing to Sun. GNOME has a very open architecture. It's much easier to get something accepted into GNOME than KDE, and GNOME is much less tightly controlled by the GNOME people than KDE is by the KDE people. It's a more open development process. Sun probably decided that it couldn't control the KDE people, so the GNOME approach gave it more freedom to do things the way it wants to.
Next, cross platform support -- as has been mentioned in other posts, in the Solaris world, there are more closed-source app developers who don't want to screw around with GPLing cross platform stuff. The license is much more of an issue on Solaris than it is on Linux.
Gtk might be OK for people who never mastered C++
I doubt many people truly "master" C++, aside from Bjorn himself. There are too many nooks and crannies of things to know about, and most people stick with a subset, like Perl.
I purchased Bjorn's book a ways back...I'd never run into autopointers, and there were *keywords* that I'd never heard of. And he didn't even cover the STL.
The default mode is ordered. Basically, this journals only metadata, preventing your filesystem from becoming corrupted. This is the big worry for most people -- losing everything on your partition because of a power loss at a bad time. This may sound not so great, but it's what most other journalling filesystems do --only worry about metadata.
/etc/fstab...it's ordered by default, but if there's an option data=journal, then it's journalled.
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Journalled mode journals everything, including file data and metadata. This is the uber-reliable (well, when it doesn't have corruption-causing bugs) mode that most filesystems don't bother with because of the speed hit.
How can you verify that this option is not enabled
You can look for options in
If you're using 2.4.20 right now, I think I'd reboot into your older kernel right now.
But inexplicably, "overrated" and "underrated" are apparently immune to metamoderation (according to a friend who *hasn't* had their moderation and metamoderation privs stripped from them by Taco's bloodthirsty cabal).
I strongly agree with "Misinformative", though I think I'd change it to "Incorrect", since "Misinformative" implies an attempt to deliberately spread misinformation (like the insidious Professor Collins, for instance). "Misinformative" has a time and a place, but perhaps not serving the place of a term that simply means "wrong".