It seems to me that the majority of people who reply with "I use HFS just fine, file-> save as -> my documents works just fine" are also the type of people who don't actually create more than a few documents anyway.
I write a lot of documents and my filing system becomes ever more difficult to manage, without the skills that a librarian or filing secretary has I find that my documents become harder to locate over time. To me this is a potential solution to that problem, I do however appreciate that "Joe Bloggs" will not understand what it is about, but as far as I am concerned "Joe Bloggs" should not be using computers in the first place. Pandering to his ilk has set computing back 10 years.
The potential pitfall of this system could be where many documents have been written about the same subject i.e. testresult001.txt to testresult999.txt. The user would know with the traditional system that he wants testresult823.txt but with the new system would be presented with 1000 choices. I am possibly being myopic here!
Perhaps it is time for a new paradigm and I for one will be looking at this method with great interest.
The counter to that is the "Dyson" in the UK, it became an object of desire amongst UK housewives and broke the brand loyalty to "Hoover".
In these days of recession people tend to start looking a bit more closely at what they are paying for. Brand name or not, if it is not good people will not buy it.
I have to agree with you. When I was a child, we looked to the US as a model of freedom and liberty, you could do SO much more in the US than in the UK and Europe.
Now, to my mind, I would rather live in Europe because I have more freedom of speech, more liberty and more protection from world dominating corporates.
The trials of OJ Simpson and Bill Clinton have demonstrated that even the law can be bought in the US, in the UK we have imprisoned two Lords just for lying in court (perjury).
We have a social policy that is steadily improving, our system is not perfect in many, many ways but it is moving in the right direction.
I am, however, an optimist and I fully expect the USA to finally grasp the importance of good Environmental Policy (something that will take many decades to happen with current social attitude), good attitude towards liberty (by empowering the people again and taking the whip from the corporates hands) and moving towards the founding principles of the nation... "By the people. For the people." For as long as Disney keeps copyright on Mickey Mouse(tm)(R)(c) the people will be impovrished.
I agree. Many of the comments on this site are about outrage and annoyance at censorship. Surely forcing Google to change what it has decided to do is as bad as censorship. Google can do whatever it likes.
Secondly, no-one has actually blocked any sites or taken down any servers. There is no big deal here at all. I think some of the/.'ers are forgetting the difference between "free as in speech versus free as in beer" definitions.
Thirdly and happily, the laws of the US do not apply outside of the US. This means that much of the argument over DMCA and Ammendments to the Constitution make absolutely no difference to the rest of the world.
We all know that if you want to find something you can. For example the Homosexual poem "The love that dares speak it's name" is not available in print, however 5 minutes on the web and I am sure you will find it (not my choice of reading matter BTW, just to set an example).
The rules are changing for publication and we are lucky enough to be at the frontier. Let's use this responsibility carefully and appreciate a gesture for what it is. We know that we can find nazi or white supremacist stuff by using google.com rather than google.fr, at least that have made the gesture. In this environment all rules are temporary, let us relish this and enjoy the dichotomies that are raised as each nation's law struggles to keep up.
I understand your argument and on the face of it I would agree however the Japaneese banks are all but crippled, the US economy is in a highly perilous state and Europe hardly fairs any better (I understand that Germany's second biggest bank is effectively bankrupt and only exists because the upheaval to the economy would set back Europe 20 years).
In contrast China is booming, and getting bigger by the hour.
If the manufacturing is taking place in China and the money is going to China who is going to be able to buy the product?
For example, we are constantly seeing people being made redundant, unemployment rising throught Europe. I can only assume that the US is also suffering. In the long term if the production of most of our goods ships to China, the wealth of the nations will also be shipped there too.
That leaves us in the "West" impovrished, disenfranchised and unable to purchase any of these goods. Sorry to be gloomy but this is NOT good news.
Absolutely, the quality of the students who are coming out of the UK universities is really poor. There seems to be a fundamental lack of a basic understanding of computer science, programming or technology. One graduate I spoke to repeatedly mentioned "e-commerce" and was unable to give me a credible definition when I pressed him.
Back to basics for these guys, if they are "graduate" quality they will be able to ascimilate a language like C# or Java in no time at all.
I'm sorry guys, but anyone who thinks that the solution to the scourge of intellectual property is to simply steal it, is either an idealist at best or simply a fool at worst.
The solution to the problem is to stop buying the product in the first place, if the album is good you will buy it, if it is bad you will not. Get rid of your illegal MP3s and OGGs and simply have music that you own. Wanna listen to some new music? Pay for it, or learn to play it.
Stealing it weakens the argument for cheaper music and enforces the perception that p2p networks simply share music for which people have no license. Rather than providing people with a useful way to share files on a heterogenus network.
I don't like MS products and licensing so I don't use them. I hate when people tell me that they think MS Office is much better than StarOffice, when the copy they have is stolen. If it's that good pay for it. The same is true for all intellectual property, we all think it is theft, we all would like to live in a state of pure anarchy, but none of you seem to be able to get to that enlightened level because of your greed. Free your mind and free your wallet, don't pay, don't listen.
Aha, a man with a purpose! Now you are the kind of person that needs to tell the community what you want. Constructive critisism, like you have posted, is exactly the thing that it needs. Good work!
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Really! I'm not sure I beleive you, show me a graph! Do you include Buddism in this?
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Aha! The clergy tells us that we can be like them as long as we follow certain rules, live a certain way and become pious.
The scientists tell us that we can be like them as long as we follow certain rules, live a certain way and become rich.
You could be onto something here!
I would be convinced of your argument if someone, non-scientist actually got the figures and understood them. I have a degree in Engineering and I cannot understand the astronomers data, no matter how many times it is explained to me. Astrophysics is a very small sect of very strange people who do very, very hard mathematics.
Arrgg! See how they try to drag you into the argument! Back you spawn of Natural Philosophy! Dice symantics with your own kind!;-)
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I was trying to accentuate the similarities between the two phrases by breaking them up in the same way. I understand that the comma is generally recognised as the best way to do this. Still, it did not help my spelling any!
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Unless of course, the scientific "holy grail" of fusion is concerned. In that case scientists lie and argue. Gotta luvvem!
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This is a strange case of sciense using the techniques of religeous belief.
For example, for centuries the church said "Pay us money, to tell you about God, who only we can see properly or you will burn"....and now we have "Pay us money, to tell you about asteroids, only we can see or you will burn"
I will ignore your snide comments and deal with your more approachable ones:
Most windows users aren't talking about Linux on the desktop. Most of them don't know it exists. Alternatives are too confusing. I agree, however, the supposed Linux users in this discussion group are. I am suggesting that they should stop talking and get on with it.
Or run windows. I cannot. Ethically and technically, I cannot bring myself to use Windows. That may seem like an extreme statement, but the principle stands.
Who needs to run windows apps if there are good unix clones? Have you used support for any commercial software lately? It's abysmal and it's not cheap. You'll have an easier time searching google groups and finding answers there. I have no commercial apps at home so I do not know about support from home users perspective, however I am aware thay the support for products like MS Office is both poor and expensive. I absolutely agree with you that good UNIX clones make a viable alternative, which explains my first statement.
Weee... look at me, I have technology on my desk that scientists would have killed for a few years ago and the only worthwhile thing I can think of doing with it is play games.
As I have said before, my wife and I have moved to using SuSE 8.0 exclusively in the house, we have NO windows products. My wife is visually impaired so this is not a move we would make lightly. We use KDE 3.01, Mozilla and KMail amongst others. For us it is great. My wife particularly likes the zooming function with Mozilla.
Linux may not be fully alive on the desktop, to get there it requires people to stop talking about it, drop Windows and get on with it. As far as games go, I have a copy of dungeonkeeper that I would love to get running, I will just have to be patient!
As far as "Windows clone" distros go, we are not interested. This would be a move back to the propriatory software that we are deliberately moving away from.
I can't see this stuff appealing to corporates either. Will linux run my windows apps? The answer should remain "No", far better than "Maybe". In terms of support "Maybe" is a real non-starter.
Fair point, I guess many of us have concluded, in retrospect, that the elimination of Saddam would have been better. I recall that at the time the west was cautious in case it created a martyr. I don't know about you but Gerorge WWIII Bush scares the crap out of me!
The Taliban regime is very much reduced in power, but still controls much of the Southern part of Afghanistan. A regime which we in the West origionally trained and sponsored, because they promised to bring order and eradicate opium production. Something they arguably did very well. I think that things are far from over there.
Some of the countries that are struggling now in Africa have been self sustainable for many years, the issues they face are twofold. One, the recent drought has caused crops to fail for too many consecutive years, the backup stores are empty because; two: the money has been used to exersise loan interest to clear national debt. Look at the work that Bono is doing to help that situation.
One of the main complaints that the non-US world has against the US is its self interest and lack of world awareness. You seem to be an exception, a pleasure chatting/arguing with you!
Iraq: Problem: Bad Guy Saddam Hussein in power. Solution: Remove bad guy Result: Failure
Afghanistan: Problem: Osama Bin Laden blows up twin towers, Taliban dont eject him. Solution: Avenge those murdered, bring bin Laden to justice, eradicate Taliban, destroy Al Queda. Result: Abject failure on all points.
Sorry, "we tried that"??? like a one-off donation? What was Live Aid? What is Oxfam? What is Christian Aid? You are a rather shallow, shadow of a human being if you really think this.
I don't suppose you have really understood the purpose of war? You are either at peace or at war with a country, why would you want to enter into some half arsed war? Go in, finish the job, get out. The USA did a brilliant job during WWII, why have they become so useless since?
In terms of static versus dynamic technology, remember this, it took the low tech British SAS to sort out Saddam's SCUD launchers. It took the low tech SBS to clear Tora Bora and the other cave and valley complexes. The "daisy cutters" and other over priced shite failed to provide ANY significant results. War is not technology it is people.
In terms of food aid my country proportionaly gives a shit load more than your fat arsed, lazy, self interested, world resource guzzling, arrogant, culture destroying, deceitful country. A country that is based on capitalism and yet cannot even ensure the sums are right. A country that is so insensitve to world starvation that it allows a bunch of lard arsed fuckwits to sue fast food chains for feeding them too much, while MILLIONS starve. Truly, truly revolting.
Given the United State's lack success with "remote" warfare in Afganistan, Iraq, Lybia and numerous other squirmishes, I would suggest that money is invested into more pertinent technologies.
How about feeding the children of Africa rather than blinding an enemy you are too cowardly to fight face to face? Is the peurile interest in warfare more important than the maintenance of your nation's humanity?
I am afraid that you are right. I have been buying my distros for some time now and I have been trying to encourage others to do so. We have to shift the emphasis from "free beer" to "free speech". Cost is not the objective here, freedom is.
If we want the likes of Apple to release code to linux we have to behave like responsible grown ups, not because we have to but because we can.
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It seems to me that the majority of people who reply with "I use HFS just fine, file-> save as -> my documents works just fine" are also the type of people who don't actually create more than a few documents anyway.
I write a lot of documents and my filing system becomes ever more difficult to manage, without the skills that a librarian or filing secretary has I find that my documents become harder to locate over time. To me this is a potential solution to that problem, I do however appreciate that "Joe Bloggs" will not understand what it is about, but as far as I am concerned "Joe Bloggs" should not be using computers in the first place. Pandering to his ilk has set computing back 10 years.
The potential pitfall of this system could be where many documents have been written about the same subject i.e. testresult001.txt to testresult999.txt. The user would know with the traditional system that he wants testresult823.txt but with the new system would be presented with 1000 choices. I am possibly being myopic here!
Perhaps it is time for a new paradigm and I for one will be looking at this method with great interest.
The counter to that is the "Dyson" in the UK, it became an object of desire amongst UK housewives and broke the brand loyalty to "Hoover".
In these days of recession people tend to start looking a bit more closely at what they are paying for. Brand name or not, if it is not good people will not buy it.
I have to agree with you. When I was a child, we looked to the US as a model of freedom and liberty, you could do SO much more in the US than in the UK and Europe.
Now, to my mind, I would rather live in Europe because I have more freedom of speech, more liberty and more protection from world dominating corporates.
The trials of OJ Simpson and Bill Clinton have demonstrated that even the law can be bought in the US, in the UK we have imprisoned two Lords just for lying in court (perjury).
We have a social policy that is steadily improving, our system is not perfect in many, many ways but it is moving in the right direction.
I am, however, an optimist and I fully expect the USA to finally grasp the importance of good Environmental Policy (something that will take many decades to happen with current social attitude), good attitude towards liberty (by empowering the people again and taking the whip from the corporates hands) and moving towards the founding principles of the nation...
"By the people. For the people." For as long as Disney keeps copyright on Mickey Mouse(tm)(R)(c) the people will be impovrished.
Good luck to you all!
I agree. Many of the comments on this site are about outrage and annoyance at censorship. Surely forcing Google to change what it has decided to do is as bad as censorship. Google can do whatever it likes.
/.'ers are forgetting the difference between "free as in speech versus free as in beer" definitions.
Secondly, no-one has actually blocked any sites or taken down any servers. There is no big deal here at all. I think some of the
Thirdly and happily, the laws of the US do not apply outside of the US. This means that much of the argument over DMCA and Ammendments to the Constitution make absolutely no difference to the rest of the world.
We all know that if you want to find something you can. For example the Homosexual poem "The love that dares speak it's name" is not available in print, however 5 minutes on the web and I am sure you will find it (not my choice of reading matter BTW, just to set an example).
The rules are changing for publication and we are lucky enough to be at the frontier. Let's use this responsibility carefully and appreciate a gesture for what it is. We know that we can find nazi or white supremacist stuff by using google.com rather than google.fr, at least that have made the gesture. In this environment all rules are temporary, let us relish this and enjoy the dichotomies that are raised as each nation's law struggles to keep up.
I understand your argument and on the face of it I would agree however the Japaneese banks are all but crippled, the US economy is in a highly perilous state and Europe hardly fairs any better (I understand that Germany's second biggest bank is effectively bankrupt and only exists because the upheaval to the economy would set back Europe 20 years).
In contrast China is booming, and getting bigger by the hour.
If the manufacturing is taking place in China and the money is going to China who is going to be able to buy the product?
For example, we are constantly seeing people being made redundant, unemployment rising throught Europe. I can only assume that the US is also suffering. In the long term if the production of most of our goods ships to China, the wealth of the nations will also be shipped there too.
That leaves us in the "West" impovrished, disenfranchised and unable to purchase any of these goods. Sorry to be gloomy but this is NOT good news.
Don't you just hate it when you click "Submit" at the same time as you spot a massive spelling mistake! Sorry.
Absolutely, the quality of the students who are coming out of the UK universities is really poor. There seems to be a fundamental lack of a basic understanding of computer science, programming or technology. One graduate I spoke to repeatedly mentioned "e-commerce" and was unable to give me a credible definition when I pressed him.
Back to basics for these guys, if they are "graduate" quality they will be able to ascimilate a language like C# or Java in no time at all.
I'm sorry guys, but anyone who thinks that the solution to the scourge of intellectual property is to simply steal it, is either an idealist at best or simply a fool at worst.
The solution to the problem is to stop buying the product in the first place, if the album is good you will buy it, if it is bad you will not. Get rid of your illegal MP3s and OGGs and simply have music that you own. Wanna listen to some new music? Pay for it, or learn to play it.
Stealing it weakens the argument for cheaper music and enforces the perception that p2p networks simply share music for which people have no license. Rather than providing people with a useful way to share files on a heterogenus network.
I don't like MS products and licensing so I don't use them. I hate when people tell me that they think MS Office is much better than StarOffice, when the copy they have is stolen. If it's that good pay for it. The same is true for all intellectual property, we all think it is theft, we all would like to live in a state of pure anarchy, but none of you seem to be able to get to that enlightened level because of your greed. Free your mind and free your wallet, don't pay, don't listen.
Aha, a man with a purpose! Now you are the kind of person that needs to tell the community what you want. Constructive critisism, like you have posted, is exactly the thing that it needs. Good work!
Really! I'm not sure I beleive you, show me a graph! Do you include Buddism in this?
Aha! The clergy tells us that we can be like them as long as we follow certain rules, live a certain way and become pious.
The scientists tell us that we can be like them as long as we follow certain rules, live a certain way and become rich.
You could be onto something here!
I would be convinced of your argument if someone, non-scientist actually got the figures and understood them. I have a degree in Engineering and I cannot understand the astronomers data, no matter how many times it is explained to me. Astrophysics is a very small sect of very strange people who do very, very hard mathematics.
Arrgg! See how they try to drag you into the argument! Back you spawn of Natural Philosophy! Dice symantics with your own kind! ;-)
I was trying to accentuate the similarities between the two phrases by breaking them up in the same way. I understand that the comma is generally recognised as the best way to do this. Still, it did not help my spelling any!
Unless of course, the scientific "holy grail" of fusion is concerned. In that case scientists lie and argue. Gotta luvvem!
This is a strange case of sciense using the techniques of religeous belief.
....and now we have "Pay us money, to tell you about asteroids, only we can see or you will burn"
For example, for centuries the church said "Pay us money, to tell you about God, who only we can see properly or you will burn"
Uncanny.
I will ignore your snide comments and deal with your more approachable ones:
Most windows users aren't talking about Linux on the desktop. Most of them don't know it exists. Alternatives are too confusing.
I agree, however, the supposed Linux users in this discussion group are. I am suggesting that they should stop talking and get on with it.
Or run windows.
I cannot. Ethically and technically, I cannot bring myself to use Windows. That may seem like an extreme statement, but the principle stands.
Who needs to run windows apps if there are good unix clones? Have you used support for any commercial software lately? It's abysmal and it's not cheap. You'll have an easier time searching google groups and finding answers there.
I have no commercial apps at home so I do not know about support from home users perspective, however I am aware thay the support for products like MS Office is both poor and expensive. I absolutely agree with you that good UNIX clones make a viable alternative, which explains my first statement.
Thank you for correcting my spelling.
Weee... look at me, I have technology on my desk that scientists would have killed for a few years ago and the only worthwhile thing I can think of doing with it is play games.
Dumb dumb.
As I have said before, my wife and I have moved to using SuSE 8.0 exclusively in the house, we have NO windows products. My wife is visually impaired so this is not a move we would make lightly. We use KDE 3.01, Mozilla and KMail amongst others. For us it is great. My wife particularly likes the zooming function with Mozilla.
Linux may not be fully alive on the desktop, to get there it requires people to stop talking about it, drop Windows and get on with it. As far as games go, I have a copy of dungeonkeeper that I would love to get running, I will just have to be patient!
As far as "Windows clone" distros go, we are not interested. This would be a move back to the propriatory software that we are deliberately moving away from.
I can't see this stuff appealing to corporates either. Will linux run my windows apps? The answer should remain "No", far better than "Maybe". In terms of support "Maybe" is a real non-starter.
Fair point, I guess many of us have concluded, in retrospect, that the elimination of Saddam would have been better. I recall that at the time the west was cautious in case it created a martyr. I don't know about you but Gerorge WWIII Bush scares the crap out of me!
The Taliban regime is very much reduced in power, but still controls much of the Southern part of Afghanistan. A regime which we in the West origionally trained and sponsored, because they promised to bring order and eradicate opium production. Something they arguably did very well. I think that things are far from over there.
Some of the countries that are struggling now in Africa have been self sustainable for many years, the issues they face are twofold. One, the recent drought has caused crops to fail for too many consecutive years, the backup stores are empty because; two: the money has been used to exersise loan interest to clear national debt. Look at the work that Bono is doing to help that situation.
One of the main complaints that the non-US world has against the US is its self interest and lack of world awareness. You seem to be an exception, a pleasure chatting/arguing with you!
OK reminder:
Iraq:
Problem: Bad Guy Saddam Hussein in power.
Solution: Remove bad guy
Result: Failure
Afghanistan:
Problem: Osama Bin Laden blows up twin towers, Taliban dont eject him.
Solution: Avenge those murdered, bring bin Laden to justice, eradicate Taliban, destroy Al Queda.
Result: Abject failure on all points.
Sorry, "we tried that"??? like a one-off donation? What was Live Aid? What is Oxfam? What is Christian Aid? You are a rather shallow, shadow of a human being if you really think this.
I don't suppose you have really understood the purpose of war? You are either
at peace or at war with a country, why would you want to enter into some half
arsed war? Go in, finish the job, get out. The USA did a brilliant job during
WWII, why have they become so useless since?
In terms of static versus dynamic technology, remember this, it took the low
tech British SAS to sort out Saddam's SCUD launchers. It took the low tech SBS
to clear Tora Bora and the other cave and valley complexes. The "daisy cutters"
and other over priced shite failed to provide ANY significant results. War is
not technology it is people.
In terms of food aid my country proportionaly gives a shit load more than your
fat arsed, lazy, self interested, world resource guzzling, arrogant, culture
destroying, deceitful country. A country that is based on capitalism and yet
cannot even ensure the sums are right. A country that is so insensitve to world
starvation that it allows a bunch of lard arsed fuckwits to sue fast food chains
for feeding them too much, while MILLIONS starve. Truly, truly revolting.
Given the United State's lack success with "remote" warfare in Afganistan, Iraq, Lybia and numerous other squirmishes, I would suggest that money is invested into more pertinent technologies.
How about feeding the children of Africa rather than blinding an enemy you are too cowardly to fight face to face? Is the peurile interest in warfare more important than the maintenance of your nation's humanity?
I am afraid that you are right. I have been buying my distros for some time now and I have been trying to encourage others to do so. We have to shift the emphasis from "free beer" to "free speech". Cost is not the objective here, freedom is.
If we want the likes of Apple to release code to linux we have to behave like responsible grown ups, not because we have to but because we can.