From what some people posted in the original/. discussion, it appears that the terms never applied to IM communication.
I think the problem is not that it wasn't worded clearly before from a legal standpoint, but that people weren't paying enough attention to the part that said that the new terms only applay to this, this, and that other service, which didn't include AIM proper.
The OSI has consistently demonstrated (along with Actual Empirical Evidence) that OSS is superior than commercial software.
For some things.
Photoshop? Illustrator? ProTools? Mathematica ? After Effects? Matlab?
I realize there are alternatives to some (especially Matlab Octave), but the others don't even come remotely close for anyone who uses the commercial programs seriously.)
I can't speak to Nero Express 5.5, but buring an ISO with Nero Burning ROM 5 is as easy as File -> Burn Image... -> (find file in dialog) -> Open -> Burn.
I think these complaints refrence the summary not the vendor. people are complaining that the summary is wrong/inacurate.
What about the very top post? This? This? This? All top-level comments from the top 1/3 or so of the comments page, ranging from questioning why Nero would do this to criticizing them for doing it, most of them saying that existing tools are just as good or better.
don't know if you looked at this product at all, but I wouldn't switch. NeroLinux uses gtk1.2 which is old, looks old, and doesn't really apeal at all
I agree. GTK2 in my opinion only looks decent, and GTK1 is ugly as crap.
I think more people will be 'burned' by Nero Linux and leave the platform than those who will switch becuase they can use it to burn other things.
This is a legitimate concern I fear. Assuming the interface is easy to use I doubt it'll drive people away, but it certainly won't help. I'd like to see Nero offer the program in GTK2 and Qt varieties too.
I think the fact that the UI isn't even the same (at least as Nero5) as the Windows version will hurt them more than will the fact that it's ugly.
I find it more likely they'll be pleasantly surprised by (k3b/nautilus-cd-burner) which both work great.
On the other hand, people like what they are familiar with. In addition to having the same program, the name recognition is nice.
Of course. What use is software that needs a serial number to start up, can't be used on more than 1 computer, and can't be modified?
What use is it?
I use tons of programs like that (Windows, Napster (PSU), Word, Excel, AIM, HP Scanning Software, Visual Studio, and yes, Nero) and they are all very useful.
Do I also use GPL'd software? Of course. I dual boot with Gentoo. Currently running is Firefox and Thunderbird. I also regularily use Blender and Notepad++. Under Gentoo pretty much everything is GPL'd if not BSD licenced.
Have I *ever* taken advantage myself of the fact that I have the source code? No. I don't have the experience to know how a piece of software as big as anything that I'd want to change works. I think I'm getting to the point where I could figure it out, but I'm not there yet. And despite the fact that I don't modify them, they are all still quite useful.
Wow, the typos in that post sure make me look good...
I should preview what I write:
'I'd just like to point out that while "aks" is unfavored as far as pronounciation goes, there's a lot to be said for the fact that it's not any worse than anything we do.'
I'd just like to point out that while "aks" is unfavored as far as pronounciation goes, there's a lot to be said for the fact that it's not any worse than anyting we go.
Read the following aloud (don't read the last paragraph before):
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
When you got to "fifth", did you actually say "fif-th", or did you say "fith"? It's almost two syllables, or should be if you stick to how it "should" be pronounced. I'd bet that you didn't enunciate that second 'f' in there; most people don't.
Movie studios have a habit of buying useless stuff from themselves to increase the cost of a movie, thus decreasing the profit and the royalties they have to pay out without actually decreasing their income.
Spiderman's Stan Lee had to sue whatever studio did Spiderman after they said that movie made no profit (IIRC), I think Jackson is having to do the same thing.
IANAL, but the terms are binding on you not because you use AIM (though they probably put the stuff in there too), but because you registered for an AIM screen name.
See the suggestion in response to another of my posts where someone said you could try to get your friends to change to another client that supports multiple protocol, then you can change networks and still talk to them, but they can still talk to all their AIM buddies. Might be possible.
Because everybody and their dog uses AIM, and it's sorta hard to get the 20 or 30 people you talk to on AIM to switch with you, especially when they won't switch until the 20 or 30 people they talk to switch, which won't happen until the 20 or 30 peop... well, you get the idea.
The terms of service stated information about registering with AIM, but what is their stance on using the AIM service with 3rd party clients?
To use 3rd party clients, you still need a login, so abide by the same terms.
On another note, it says that this will affect you if you registered after February 5th 2004.. How could they change the rules now and not make the date effective as of now?
Probably originally there was a clause that was "we reserve the right to change these agreements at any time, and post changes to www.yaddayadda.com"
Are there any open source sort of IMing protocols?
BTW, the current case, near as I can tell, has nothing to do with abridgement of freedom of speech. Apparently ThinkSecrets isn't being charged with any crime, nor are they being sued for any tort; the actions undertaken are "merely" to compel ThinkSecrets to reveal their sources.
It's easy to argue that being able to keep sources secret is extremely important for freedom of speech to have its meaning in many cases, but I think it's also important to recognize that there is still a large difference between what is going on here and and abridgement of ThinkSecrets to be able to publish the information they are given.
Uh, the lastest conviction I'm positive about is last November, though I don't know what he published.
Dude went to jail for contempt for refusing to releveal sources. Vowed to appeal, I don't know how that turned out.
Other posts up in the thread say that two reporters are going to prison for contempt for the Novak CIA agent revelation fiasco. (Novak apparently named names.)
This law not only applies to government, but would it not also apply to private customers, investigators, etc. by way of the 9th and 10th amdendments?
No. Consider that that law didn't even apply to state or local governments until after the 14th amendment was passed following the civil war. See, for instance, Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243 (1933)
Actually, if you read the first amendment, you'll see that it provides that congress can't pass a law "abridging the freedom of speech".
What "freedom of speech" encompasses is a whole other matter.
Some things it doesn't encompass:
- Some "fighting words" (I forget what the latest wording is, but it's something along the lines of words that are intended to or are extremely likely to spark immediate violence)
- Other speech that creates a clear and present danger -- remember the "'fire' in a croweded theatre" thing? (this standard isn't in play as such, but it's similar)
- Defamation (libel, slander)
- False advertising
- Most publications of classified information
- Obscenity in the absence of other redeaming qualities
- Child pornography
Shall I go on?
Anyway, I have a suspicion that if this case were about an Apple employee saying that Apple has violated antitrust laws, hired illegal immigrants, or something like that, where the employee is a "whistleblower", the case would have been ruled the other way. As it is, there is no legitimate public interest in wanting to know the next release of Apple hardware/software, while there is a public interest in revealing abuses.
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From what some people posted in the original /. discussion, it appears that the terms never applied to IM communication.
I think the problem is not that it wasn't worded clearly before from a legal standpoint, but that people weren't paying enough attention to the part that said that the new terms only applay to this, this, and that other service, which didn't include AIM proper.
I don't think Lynx is "equipped" to deal with that so much as not equipped to do anything else on the web ;-)
Interesting. I grew up here in the US and everyone I know called them 'Legos'. I wonder if the country makes the difference?
I'd like to see a map with different regions marked based on what Legos are called, but I don't think it'd be a worthwhile acedemic project.
People will start referring to 'Lego Bricks' as soon as 'GNU\Linux' catches on.
Yeah, we wouldn't want anyone plugging stuff into the power outlets, would we?
Oh wait...
The OSI has consistently demonstrated (along with Actual Empirical Evidence) that OSS is superior than commercial software.
a ?
For some things.
Photoshop?
Illustrator?
ProTools?
Mathematic
After Effects?
Matlab?
I realize there are alternatives to some (especially Matlab Octave), but the others don't even come remotely close for anyone who uses the commercial programs seriously.)
I can't speak to Nero Express 5.5, but buring an ISO with Nero Burning ROM 5 is as easy as File -> Burn Image... -> (find file in dialog) -> Open -> Burn.
I think these complaints refrence the summary not the vendor. people are complaining that the summary is wrong/inacurate.
What about the very top post? This? This? This? All top-level comments from the top 1/3 or so of the comments page, ranging from questioning why Nero would do this to criticizing them for doing it, most of them saying that existing tools are just as good or better.
don't know if you looked at this product at all, but I wouldn't switch. NeroLinux uses gtk1.2 which is old, looks old, and doesn't really apeal at all
I agree. GTK2 in my opinion only looks decent, and GTK1 is ugly as crap.
I think more people will be 'burned' by Nero Linux and leave the platform than those who will switch becuase they can use it to burn other things.
This is a legitimate concern I fear. Assuming the interface is easy to use I doubt it'll drive people away, but it certainly won't help. I'd like to see Nero offer the program in GTK2 and Qt varieties too.
I think the fact that the UI isn't even the same (at least as Nero5) as the Windows version will hurt them more than will the fact that it's ugly.
I find it more likely they'll be pleasantly surprised by (k3b/nautilus-cd-burner) which both work great.
On the other hand, people like what they are familiar with. In addition to having the same program, the name recognition is nice.
I had a nice set of 3Dish cursors for a bit.
Plus most of the themes I've installed in the past have had new cursors, though I usually didn't use them.
Of course. What use is software that needs a serial number to start up, can't be used on more than 1 computer, and can't be modified?
What use is it?
I use tons of programs like that (Windows, Napster (PSU), Word, Excel, AIM, HP Scanning Software, Visual Studio, and yes, Nero) and they are all very useful.
Do I also use GPL'd software? Of course. I dual boot with Gentoo. Currently running is Firefox and Thunderbird. I also regularily use Blender and Notepad++. Under Gentoo pretty much everything is GPL'd if not BSD licenced.
Have I *ever* taken advantage myself of the fact that I have the source code? No. I don't have the experience to know how a piece of software as big as anything that I'd want to change works. I think I'm getting to the point where I could figure it out, but I'm not there yet. And despite the fact that I don't modify them, they are all still quite useful.
Wow, the typos in that post sure make me look good...
I should preview what I write:
'I'd just like to point out that while "aks" is unfavored as far as pronounciation goes, there's a lot to be said for the fact that it's not any worse than anything we do.'
I'd just like to point out that while "aks" is unfavored as far as pronounciation goes, there's a lot to be said for the fact that it's not any worse than anyting we go.
Read the following aloud (don't read the last paragraph before):
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
When you got to "fifth", did you actually say "fif-th", or did you say "fith"? It's almost two syllables, or should be if you stick to how it "should" be pronounced. I'd bet that you didn't enunciate that second 'f' in there; most people don't.
Movie studios have a habit of buying useless stuff from themselves to increase the cost of a movie, thus decreasing the profit and the royalties they have to pay out without actually decreasing their income.
Spiderman's Stan Lee had to sue whatever studio did Spiderman after they said that movie made no profit (IIRC), I think Jackson is having to do the same thing.
Zalman's Reserator I think has the pump submerged, and a couple others do as well. This doesn't even have a fan on the resevoir.
This looks like it might be the nicest watercooling kit I've seen, though it has a price tag to match (Newegg - $238).
IANAL, but the terms are binding on you not because you use AIM (though they probably put the stuff in there too), but because you registered for an AIM screen name.
See the suggestion in response to another of my posts where someone said you could try to get your friends to change to another client that supports multiple protocol, then you can change networks and still talk to them, but they can still talk to all their AIM buddies. Might be possible.
I get insightful for that?
;-)
I didn't mean that to get insightful, I was going for funny... at least one person got it right
Because everybody and their dog uses AIM, and it's sorta hard to get the 20 or 30 people you talk to on AIM to switch with you, especially when they won't switch until the 20 or 30 people they talk to switch, which won't happen until the 20 or 30 peop... well, you get the idea.
The terms of service stated information about registering with AIM, but what is their stance on using the AIM service with 3rd party clients?
To use 3rd party clients, you still need a login, so abide by the same terms.
On another note, it says that this will affect you if you registered after February 5th 2004.. How could they change the rules now and not make the date effective as of now?
Probably originally there was a clause that was "we reserve the right to change these agreements at any time, and post changes to www.yaddayadda.com"
Are there any open source sort of IMing protocols?
Yes
99% of what goes over AIM is garbage anyway.
(I know, I produce a lot of it)
BTW, the current case, near as I can tell, has nothing to do with abridgement of freedom of speech. Apparently ThinkSecrets isn't being charged with any crime, nor are they being sued for any tort; the actions undertaken are "merely" to compel ThinkSecrets to reveal their sources.
It's easy to argue that being able to keep sources secret is extremely important for freedom of speech to have its meaning in many cases, but I think it's also important to recognize that there is still a large difference between what is going on here and and abridgement of ThinkSecrets to be able to publish the information they are given.
False, false, false, false, and WOW is that false.
Actually, the Constitution gurantees that you can be COMPELLED to testify. Amendment 6:
Uh, the lastest conviction I'm positive about is last November, though I don't know what he published.
Dude went to jail for contempt for refusing to releveal sources. Vowed to appeal, I don't know how that turned out.
Other posts up in the thread say that two reporters are going to prison for contempt for the Novak CIA agent revelation fiasco. (Novak apparently named names.)
This law not only applies to government, but would it not also apply to private customers, investigators, etc. by way of the 9th and 10th amdendments?
No. Consider that that law didn't even apply to state or local governments until after the 14th amendment was passed following the civil war. See, for instance, Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243 (1933)
Actually, if you read the first amendment, you'll see that it provides that congress can't pass a law "abridging the freedom of speech".
What "freedom of speech" encompasses is a whole other matter.
Some things it doesn't encompass:
- Some "fighting words" (I forget what the latest wording is, but it's something along the lines of words that are intended to or are extremely likely to spark immediate violence)
- Other speech that creates a clear and present danger -- remember the "'fire' in a croweded theatre" thing? (this standard isn't in play as such, but it's similar)
- Defamation (libel, slander)
- False advertising
- Most publications of classified information
- Obscenity in the absence of other redeaming qualities
- Child pornography
Shall I go on?
Anyway, I have a suspicion that if this case were about an Apple employee saying that Apple has violated antitrust laws, hired illegal immigrants, or something like that, where the employee is a "whistleblower", the case would have been ruled the other way. As it is, there is no legitimate public interest in wanting to know the next release of Apple hardware/software, while there is a public interest in revealing abuses.
Oh, I agree. I just thought since the entire thread was about the distinction between silent and very quiet I'd bring that up ;-)