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Nero Burning for Linux
ceasol writes "The German company Nero, developers of the award-winning Nero Burning ROM suite for Windows, now release a free version for Linux called NeroLINUX a CD/DVD Burning Software, and include many features from the Windows version. This software is proprietary but free if you registered." The OEM versions of Nero that come with many CD burners aren't sufficient, though; NeroLINUX is free-as-in-beer only if you've registered "a full version of Nero software version 6 or higher," or a "retail version or downloaded version."
So it's not free as in speech or free as in beer. It's more like free as in carbonation.
A Nero keygen for Linux.
Other than the fact that you don't have to type cryptic commands?
... distributing k3b, cdrecord, cdrdao and all. Those are free as in beer and speech, already work just fine with almost any burner, and they're already there (as opposed to Nero having to roll their own).
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
I hope its better than k3b
Our intelligent designer has never created an animal that we couldn't improve by strapping a bomb to it.
You have to remember - there are three kinds of Linux users. Those who want to keep usability down to try to impress themselves by using it, those who want to increase usability so that their grandmothers can use it, and your grandmother. The majority of users are not members of the first group. Incidentally, the majority of users also do not assume a moniker derived from women's clothing.
Never having used Nero on Windows, are there advantages to using Nero on Linux?
It seems, that cdrecord and k3b (or xtoaster) does everything I need
It adds a choice. And Linux is all about choices, is not it? I hope it is part of a trend. You do not have to use it. K3B is fine for me for example. But you could, if you want to.
Now, tell me, what exactly would I want Nero for?
It's only value is that it includes a comprehensive point&click interface, but even though it's stuffed with features, it can't beat the existing, free tools.
Unless you're a Windows user who wants a program he's familiar with, there is no reason to even look at it. Plus, it's not even free-as-beer, as you need to pay for a full, registered version of Nero for Windows.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Why cryptic? The man page explains everything. OTOH, I find icons cryptic sometimes. What if I can't understand them? Explain it with even more pictures? Use a comic strip?
so you mean slackware/gentoo users; suse/linspire users; and other distro users?
I'm wondering if more companies releasing Linux versions of their software is actually a good thing for Linux. Since there's so many free (as in speech and beer) software for recording CDs, how much of a market share can Nero for Linux hope to get?
Similarly, with products like the Helix player, is the user base big enough for companies to justify porting to Linux?
The problem is this might discourage companies like Adobe, which develop products that generally have no OSS equivalents (I know, GIMP, but please explain that to graphics artists).
That was not a troll and the mod was on crack.
This guy is way out there
It's free if you already bought a license for a Windows version. It asks the serial number of the one you bought already, to download the Linux version. So, it's not "Free-as-in-beer" free. It's just "buy-one-get-one" (BOGO)free. Kinda like BOGOMIPS :D
Maybe Microsoft can follow suit and offer free-as-in-beer copies of Paint for Linux if you've registered Windows.
there was chat about this at linuxquestions.org and OSNews and both places have links to screenshots for Gnome-Toaster and it sure looks like a Nero branded Gnome-Toaster
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Would you like to open your beloved OperatingSystem to the mainstream, would you want to see it become a real alternative to Windows, with commercial and proprietary applications?
Then put your comments ("they rather release the source, k3b is a lot better, I want to compile this shit under gentoo") where the sun doesn't shine. Mainstream and real competetion equals to commercial stuff (and the author of this message thinks this is GOOD).
Or do you prefer to stay geekie? Sugar-coke, kernel-hacks, geek-elitism, no sunlight, no showers, spots (and clearasil), jokes about years old bsd-girl-daemon-pics? Then let them know it (and greet the openbsd community in that case).
Decide for yourself.
Depending on what exactly they mean by "downloaded version".
cdrecord and mkisofs work for me.
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Cut the free software crap. This is a mainstream company willing to take pay-per-use apps on Linux seriously.
Don't forget that the OS itself is pretty much commodity. Its the apps that count, and for a mature and *decent* app to make it to Linux is important news.
I misread this the first time through and thought it was saying a free version was available for Linux -- and didn't see the part about you had to have a registered Windows version. Even without the extra gotcha, this made me realize how important free (as in speech) software is to me.
I started using Linux somewhere around 1998, and moved everything (except compatibility testing) around 2000/2001. Since then I learned how to add almost any program or game I wanted with rpm -ivh {package_name}, then urpmi {package_name}, and now apt-get install {package_name}. It's not just the ease of use, but knowing that it is available, to me and anyone who wants it, that I can modify it or pay to have it modified, that I can help debug it, and even suggest new features.
I (mis)read this story and my first thoughts were, 1) Why bother, I've got programs that do almost all, to 2) But it's hard to do some of the DVD authoring that Nero will help with, to 3) But Nero controls it.
That's when I realized how important FOSS is to me and my company. I hadn't realized that I actually avoid commercial software now, and prefer FOSS, since I can make bug reports, make suggestions, and even modify if I need to. I also realized I do NOT want software (any more) that another company controls and can decide to remove from the market, or bastardize so it's no longer the program I liked. If it's FOSS, I know I'll almost always be able to find an older version if I need it, and that I can always locate it and re-install it easily if it gets horked.
So let Nero do what they want. I know in a year or two we'll see better DVD authoring under Linux (and eventually even see professional video editing in FOSS). This story helped me realize I can no longer deal with paying for software with fewer freedoms than that which apt-get installs for me. I don't want software someone else has total control over. (Okay, well maybe Myst and it's sequals, but we all know games are another story...)
isn't called nero but it's called ahead.
Despite there being open source burning programs, I think it is positive to see commercial desktop software being developed for Linux.
I am not trying to say Nero is better/worse than the alternatives, but now there is an additional alternative -- and software companies focusing on desktop apps are starting to take a Linux desktop more seriously.
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Well, the very first time I burned a CD, it took me way less time to get mkisofs to do what I want and then burn it than it takes me every time I see a new version of Nero.
A well-thought CLI program is often more convenient the first time you use it. In the case of mkisofs, the "synopsis" at the very start of the manpage is enough for the typical use. On the other hand, it's pretty non-obvious to guess what do I need to choose to burn the damn files in a badly-designed thing like Nero.
And this applies to the first-time use. For the subsequent, you can't really beat the CLI.
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This is a blatent ripoff of k3b... Shouldn't they release their source code so that we can all check it to make sure there is no GPL code stuck in there someplace?? Cause i am pretty sure there is... One guy doesn't come up with a whole burning suite by himself in 40 ... and the interface looks strangly familar... almost like ive seen it someplace before.. It probably even generates error codes similar to this program i used to use for windows.. So, aw, any one got a .torrent??
You should get a faster CD writer, that'd leave you more time to attend grammar at school.
Before discovering K3B, a CD/DVD burning software was the main thing I was missing under Linux. K3B is nice, but Nero (at least under Windows) had a lot more options.
In yesterday's news: "NeroLinux - Nero CD Burning App comes to Linux" I suggested this story a day or two ago, but as usual, it wasn't posted. I included that article & discussion in my submission as well, but of course none of that matters now. Thanks again, I love being rejected.
I thought Nero fiddled while Linux burned.
is that GTK 1.x????
What the hell?
Of course this is useful. It is a familiar application for a Windows user considering a migration to Linux.
Take a simple question:"How will I burn CDs?"
The answer could be as simple as "You use Nero, right? Well, it's available for Linux and it's free if you still have your licence number."
Most users have their own familiar suite of programs. The more direct the replacement that is available the better - less learning curve for new Linux users and consequently less chance that the prospective new user will give up in frustration.
It's a bit hidden away.
.nra, though.
.NRA archives.
(My experience is relevant to Nero v5. YMMV.)
I, and I imagine most people, would find the "Image Writer", a virtual CD-R that you can use to make only Nero images (.nra). You can do all the things you can do with any other CD-R drive with that, burn a "disc", copy a disc, etc. It only supports
There is, however, a menu-item, "Save Track", that will let you save ISO images, utilizing one of the most confusing and hackneyed file chooser ever.
Nero does support burning from ISOs in the same fashion as
Information wants to be free.
Entertainment wants to be paid.
You just want to be cheap.
This has already been discussed to death on osnews.com and fedoraforum.org
Essentially it is using the GnomeToaster GUI under license (not GPL) with a Nero API/drivers backend.
It's closed source and doesn't include Nero Recode (aka DVD Shrink) or anything other than Nero Burning ROM.
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Check his posting history and read his name outloud. :)
I feel most of the opinions here so far are pretty on target. This is nothing more than a ploy by Nero to expose more linux using eyeballs to the Nero brand name, which as has already been pointed out, is not really useful to anyone. Nero's new offering doesn't really distinguish itself in any way among the existing burning tools for the Linux platform. Their distribution policy doesn't really extend the user base beyond those already using Nero under Windows, so what is the point from their perspective???
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It seems like companies that port to Linux only do so on the downturn, never while they are hot. I am guessing that MS must be taking away space from Nero.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
True. I wish slashdot could only be modded using a command line interface. Would drive the idiot moderators away.
/me imagines IRC
Hum. On a second thought, I withdraw this comment.
A feature I find helpfull are the plugins. They allow drag and drop of FLACs WMAs or just about any other filetype you can think of.
As this Roman emperor sets foot on this free -as in beer- open source land he is welcomed in a cool manner he didn't expect.
Nero is a fine piece of software and it's a good thing that a good app like that is coming to Linux. If you ever want Linux to make it big (as in desktop), which I doubt some people would want, because Linux would lose the "cult" status it has now,you need programs like this available on Linux.
Linux, if you want it to penetrate the home desktop, has to grow up, because let's be honest, KDE still looks like shit and it's the closest you get to a good GUI...
good for them for acknowledging linux, but i like K3B a lot more than anything i've used under windows, including nero. but hey, competition is a good thing so keep em coming.
k3b is pretty good. The only real problem with it, is that it tries to do everything. I think that kio_burn will be good competition for the average users.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
If a commercial software vendor doesn't support linux people bitch. If a commercial software vendor does support it people bitch that the software isn't GPL. If the software gets GPL'd, people bitch that it hasn't been ported to their distros of choice.
And then the linux community wonders why so few companies bother to code for linux.
I like the way the screenshot tree shows the cdrecord
Here are some mirrored screenshots, if anyone cares: one two three four five
0daymeme.com: Great stuff.
http://www.pcplus.co.uk/tutorials/default.asp?page typeid=2&articleid=5930&subsectionid=377
"If you have a slightly older version, you'll notice that support for ISO images is conspicuous by its absence, and that the program only appears to support Ahead's proprietary NRG image format, which isn't the same. On the surface this is indeed true, but older versions of Nero can still open and burn ISO CD images with a little persuasion and knowledge."
It only supports .nra, though.
I didn't realize Charlton Heston owned Nero stock...
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Well, it never ceases to amaze me, The majority of us Linux users and developers (yes I develop and use linux every day) will be quite happy to welcome another company to linux. We can all play nicely together folks. How long have we spent trying to convince companies that it is worth releasing linux versions of their software. Now just because they don't make it totally free and GPL it it's a bad thing. Come on get over it. GPL is fantastic. But it's about choice. They have the right to release their software (note their software not ours or yours) however they please. They are a company and as such they have a responsibility to make money. I release software I develop under different licences as necessary. Both GPL and non GPL - I don't see the problem. If you only want gpl that's fine but don't bemoan the lack of mainstream software available. If you want mainstream stuff like adobe - here's the wake up - it's going to have to be under a proprietary licence - at least for now. But if they release anything under linux it can only be good in the long run as it gives people more of a choice. and that's what it's about.
Please, let's get together on this, there is room for both kinds of licence. leave the zealotry at home and let's work on getting Linux to the number one spot, then we can start to convince the proprietary co's it's worth releasing under the gpl.
As many others pointed out, this software is not free in any way; you have to buy it. Who cares if it runs on Linux? This is not newsworthy. If this were the first ever application to let you burn CDs under Linux it might be newsworthy, but there have been other options for years. Yes, I know it's all been said. I'm saying it again.
Now having read the article, browsed the website and analysed the legal documents, I can see this software does not only seem inferior to cdrdao, but it is actually proprietary software with DRM. Click the EULA link after following the NeroLINUX link in the story before you pollute your Free and Open system with proprietary restrictions and Microsoft DRM. See the paragraph C-1-a:
C. TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO ALL LICENSES
I. Third Party Disclaimer and Limitations
a.) WM-DRM: Content providers are using the Microsoft digital rights management technology for Windows Media distributed with this Software ("WM-DRM") to protect the integrity of their content ("Secure Content") so that their intellectual property, including copyright, in such content is not misappropriated. Portions of this Software and other third party applications use WM-DRM to play Secure Content ("WM-DRM Software"). If the WM-DRM Software's security has been compromised, owners of Secure Content ("Secure Content Owners") may request that Microsoft revoke the WM-DRM Software's right to copy, display and/or play Secure Content. Revocation does not alter the WM-DRM Software's ability to play unprotected content. A list of revoked WM-DRM Software is sent to your computer whenever you download a license for Secure Content from the Internet. Microsoft may, in conjunction with such license, also download revocation lists onto your computer on behalf of Secure Content Owners. Secure Content Owners may also require you to upgrade some of the WM-DRM components distributed with this Software ("WM-DRM Upgrades") before accessing their content. When you attempt to play such content, WM-DRM Software built by Microsoft will notify you that a WM-DRM Upgrade is required and then ask for your consent before the WM-DRM Upgrade is downloaded. Non-Microsoft WM-DRM Software may do the same. If you decline the upgrade, you will not be able to access content that requires the WM-DRM Upgrade; however, you will still be able to access unprotected content and Secure Content that does not require the upgrade. WM-DRM features that access the Internet, such as acquiring new licenses and/or performing a required WM-DRM Upgrade, can be switched off. When these features are switched off, you will still be able to play Secure Content if you have a valid license for such content already stored on your computer. [emphasis added]
Just make sure you fully understand all of the implications before you put this trojan horse in the mouth. This is proprietary software with an EULA that uses "intellectual property" newspeak. This is always a bad sign. Such an agreement may be OK for typical ignorant Windows users or software "pirates" but is certainly unacceptable for any conscious GNU/Linux users, so please be bery careful. I would recommend sticking to cdrdao and cdrecord until this software is released under more reasonable conditions.
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Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
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Silly bullshit, it's not free and it's not free.
... why my grammar teacher said to avoid repetition in texts.
It is one thing to just do most of the same things, but how you do them is the real issue. In that respect, Nero is still much farther ahead than K3B. That isn't to say that K3B is a bad product, in fact for most of my needs it is great. Nero for Windows is a very aggressively designed and updated product. It supports basically every burner out there, every type of media, burns any type of disk (VCD, SVCD, DVD movie, data, music, etc) and is just... solid and slick in how it does stuff.
Again, it's not that K3B isn't competitive. It certainly is, but it's not there yet. Nero for Linux appears to be identical in its UI to the Windows version so it's another great way to bridge Linux and Windows. The bottom line is that it is very good, many people have it because it comes with many burners and having it on Linux will be another program that people who are wont to not learn how to use their computer will be able to say, "oh I know that program" that is part of their semi-daily use.
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You want companies to support linux, yet when they do you bash their stuff! (you know who you are)
Kudo's to Ahead for making a software product particularly targeted for Linux! Looking at their site, I see that it SUPPORTS a number of kernel versions and distributions.
Hmm, I bet corporate customers are really fond of software that has some form of customer support besides newsgroups!
Just because flavor-of-the-week-open-source-burner-software works great for you doesnt mean that it will work great for companies! It also doesnt mean we should bash the existence of that choice. Companies *will* pay money to improve consistancy and to reduce variability. A known cost is better than an unknown cost. Unsupported (or community) software is an unknown cost. Most companies would rather pay the known cost (maintenance) than deal with the unknown.
(Yes that was a blanket statement. In some cases, the cost can be quantified a bit better for some of these unsupported/community supported softwares and with such knowledge you can significantly reduce the variability. Generally this fits tools that are almost defacto standards like Apache and what not.)
I like to think of it this way... its one more option available on Linux that you can also find in the Windows world, making it one more item which can be checked off in the "why [some company] scared to transition to linux" list.
The audience for Nero is a Windows convert who was familiar with Nero's interface on that other OS and doesn't care that there are existing GPL tools and GUI frontends to burn discs.
I understand the necessity of promoting non-restricted open source software, but things like this are a plus for Linux, particularly if we are holding out any chance that it will start to make serious waves on the desktop.
Although you can use a command line to burn DVDs/CDs, putting together a disc is something I've always like having a simple point-and-click interface for, as we all know dealing with multiple files on the command line isn't the easiest thing to do. Those that do have the Windows version of Nero probably agree that it's the most fully-featured Windows burning software out there. I've been looking for something nice for Linux, and this could have been it if it didn't require the Licensing (I prefer not to have one $150 program on my system when the rest was free). K3B is nice, but part of the KDE bloat. I'm waiting to see where Gnomebaker and I think Graveman will go in terms of becoming a unified and complete burning suite.
In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you.
I have to register, in affect purchase, a Windows binary in order to download the "free" Linux port.
I applaud their efforts, I really do. However, I rather they admit it's not free, and provide a means for Linux users to "purchase" the proprietary software ported to Linux. I purchase proprietary software for Linux, Cedega, Doom3. I purchase proprietary software that runs ontop of OSS software... MacOS X comes to mind...
It really doesn't make sense to buy a product I can not use in order to attain a "free" advertised product I CAN use. So, I'm sitting there with a Win32 binary, what am I going to do with it? They must be under the assumption, many Linux users dual boot. I haven't dual booted or ran Microsoft Windows on my personal computers since Windows 3.11. So, a win32 binary will do me no good and be deleted or maybe never even downloaded.
So, their stats show a surge in sales. Those sales are strongly indicative to Windows environments. And, their win32 code gurus get the pleasure I suspect. I want Linux to get the credit. And, only Linux. For example, I could have purchased a laptop from Sony cheaper than the one I purchased from nextcomputing.com. Infact, perhaps 500-1000 dollars less. But, since the guys at next nextcomputing.com can jot down a mark for a computer sold with only Linux pre-installed, that's a tick in the pool for investors to look at and ponder. It's already hard to analyze market trends with something like Linux. And let's face it, as far as investors go, Linux is only as big as companies say it is. Even though, any intelligent person can realize that any market stats on the use of Linux is greatly and even statistically grotesquely underestimated.
I think NeroLINUX should be available without the requirement to purchase a Windows binary. I'm sorry for the guys at Nero, if they are doing this to help the extravagant costs of Windows development tools, then that's a shame. If this is the case (to fund their Microsoft License costs) off of OSS dollars, then they should accept the fact that Win32 is going by the wayside or reconsider their negotiations... whatever needs to be done. I do not want my dollar going to Microsoft, period.
Fully insightful and informative.
Eww..that's no surprise - a proprietary Linux application that uses some crusty GUI API like Motif. (Think of all the wonderful commercial applications that come with SuSE like Adobe Acrobat that are crusted to hell)
Hmm...I'm hoping that it's actually GTK or QT and the system in the screenshots is using a Motif-style theme for one of the main GUI libraries.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
Definitely a good tool for those who have vid burning windows addicts in their household. I may finally have a shot at converting my wife over to the 'dark side' of burning vids on her windows station...time to switch the myth server inittab to default:5.
Ah...but this is slashdot...nitpicking(TM) is mandatory. Well, it'd be nice if the Nero folks provided at least a basic level of support for the linux side. I'd bet there's people in their support arm who'd be happy to work with an OS they can really troubleshoot for a change.
Meaning that here in germany at least there is a 80% chance that if you buy a random dvd-writer, there is some oem version of nero with it. Of course only usable with windows. Until now.
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
Already found a torrent for it for those who can't register.
Well, if it's a Nero branded Gnome-Toaster, then the licensing restrictions are incompatible with the GPL.
1. Write so much and so boring stuff nobody reads everything.
2. Write a few big FOSS at eyecatchers, and next to it that its important for you, your buissness, birth control, ect.
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I imagine that this would also help those with a phobia of new software, as this would be one more application that would be the same for them under both Linux and Windows (similar to Firefox, or OpenOffice, etc).
Now, I'll admit I haven't used Nero (or Windows) in several years on any of my computers, but from using K3b these days, I can't see anything that it is lacking that Nero might provide. Has anybody used both apps recently (NeroLINUX would be an even better comparison) and can comment on how they compare?
Overall, I'd say this is good for those on Windows now who are considering switching to Linux, and of lesser consequence to those already using Linux.
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Through all the posts saying this was silly and unnecessary, let's not forget that even if the software is non-Free and irrelevant (to many of us), it can also be seen as a step in the right direction.
Yes, *NIX fans already have k3b, X-CD-Roast, ECLiPt, and others. But on the flip side, this software is in the vein of what many people have been asking for -- mainstream recognition and support of Linux.
Although many Linux users are happy with the amazing amount of free and open source software available it is nice to see commercial companies considering the Linux platform worth supporting. I wouldn't expect your average slashdot reader to go out and buy this tomorrow, but for the manager who has allowed a few developers in her office to to use Linux but hates to hear that the companies chosen software for xxxx does work on Linux, this is a good thing.
No, not earth shattering news. I doubt that CD burning software will "tip the scale" of acceptance at most companies and suddenly you will be asked on your first day what your choice of OS is. But the more companies that release their software for Linux the more your average joe will start to consider the platform viable.
Again, not a big deal. But it sure is nice to see.
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Why are proprietary programs for linux always using motif? They look like crap and they're harder to use. Is it really that difficult to use QT or GTK? I'm not even going to consider buying a motif app unless they actually have tons of different unix versions justifying the use.
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Seems like the only way to get the linux version is to purchase the windows version.
What if someone doesn't have any windows boxes? Is it that tough to make it available to purchase directly??
I'm glad they've done this. The more products that are ported natively to Linux, the better in my opinion. They just need to stop tying it to their windows products.
H.
When VCR's are outlawed, only outlaws will have VCR's.
But if the OEM upgrade fee is reasonable, I would like to have the full windows version of Nero and a consistant GUI on my linux box too.
On the other hand, the price I saw was 50. I am reluctant to pay $50 for a game that has no sale of progressive builds let alone a utility program who's basic functionality is built into most OSs,
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Commercial software for Linux, that people will find USEFUL!! And not enterprise applications, and not games that have zero marketing!
I haven't RTFA, but i'd hope there'd be a way to buy a license for the Linux ver without having to ALSO get a Windows ver
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..or something like that? Seriously if FOSS software wants to be taken seriously it has to bite the bullet and at least number things 1.0 or higher. But all of the free tools, or almost all of them at least as pertains to burners are all labeled some kind of scary sounding 0.97b BETA or something like that. Which might not be a bad thing in and of itself but with SO MANY things that CAN go wrong with burning, right down to the brand of blank disc you use, it would seem at least counterproductive to hesitate calling something production quality, if in fact the author thinks it is. This is a great example of letting engineers overengineer and control the release of products until it's 'perfect'. Trust me it will never be perfect nor will it ever need to be perfect so just call it what it is Production Good-Enough version X.
You all tout desktop linux like it's in the near future, then when a company brings a trusted name over to the linux desktop, all you see are complaints about how it's not free.
How about stop whining and give them a little support. Nero has been around on windows desktops for quite a while. Not that it's going to be the app that makes 2 million users stand up and switch, at least it's a start. People can now use their 'favorite burning application on linux' if in fact that is their favorite.
The point is joe schmoe doesn't even know what cdrdao is, nor does he want to learn another application. Yet, you say linux is destined for the desktop? I say bullshit. It's not destined for anything.
The biggest hurdle to Desktop Linux, is the current users of linux themselves.
you were being sarcastic. But, truthfully, I would like Nero to beat k3b. It raises the bar. But to do that, Nero will have to be re-written, because from what I have seen, k3b is better than the Windows version.
But could we please call Ahead Software by their name instead of calling the company Nero? The product by Ahead Software is Nero. Yes, Nero was their original and sole product for a long time. I believe it was originally written by one guy. The company now has revenues exceeding $30 million a year.
Listen people, whenever a commercial application is ported over to Linux it is good for the effort to get Linux on the desktop. It doesn't matter if there are already command line tools out there that will do the same thing. So what? Yeah there are graphical front ends available for these command line tools available...but once again, so what? If they support linux, I have to support them. If you prefer FOSS applications, that's cool. But we need the commercial applications as well and this is one of the best commercial applications out there. (Plus you get legal codes as well. Something that ought to wipe out afew potential legal problems in the future.) Personally, I don't see why all of you people are crying and moaning. It seems like whenever a commercial company brings stuff over to Linux people do nothing but badmouth it and go on about an open-source solution that isn't as "full-featured" or "intuitive" as the commercial application. From what I have seen of the behavioof most of the people who have commented about this here and in other places. There are a whole lot of fan-boys who talk a fine game about "Desktop Linux for the Masses" Most of them simply want Linux to stay a fringe operating system so they can all argue about KDE/Gnome, play with your command lines, and spit on normal computer users with a disrespectful, elitist attitude. Mod me a troll for this post if you want to...but in the end it is about "choice" Nero has just given me an additonal "choice" That is a good thing.
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When VCR's are outlawed, only outlaws will have VCR's.
I bought it for Windows years ago and I've bought their upgrades.
I'll buy their Linux version and hope that the same expertise that made them the best Windows burner will make them the best Linux burner.
They're very focused on their core (CD burning) and they offer frequent updates to their software. I have no problems spending money on a company like that.
You have been banned for having too much megahertz.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
Can cdrdao burn .nrg images (used frequently for Dreamcast homebrew software)?
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
Its a GTK 1.x application, lets hope for a 2.x port soon.
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K3B is a lot easier to use than Nero though, for a user who comes to both with no experience. One look at Nero made me hate it forever, back when I first started burning CDs. But when I finally discovered K3B, I found that I was actually able to burn disks without getting infuriated.
So I think you're right when you said "arguably."
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
Are you used to using the command line? If so, probably that made the difference.
/dev/acd0, but the warning in the intro paragraphs make me wonder about this. I am confused about the filenames that will appear on the CD; it looks like mkisofs will truncate them to 8.3 format unless you use -I, but is this using Joliet extensions or just using ISO9660 to its fullest? I still have absolutely no clue how to make and audio CD (and don't even know what tool I would use to do so). I'm thinking that unless I spend a long time crafting that include file for the -i option, which "doesn't work very well", I'll need to make a copy (or at least symbolic links) of all my files in another directory because I essentially never make a CD based off just a single directory structure.
Because I *never* had any problems at all getting Nero (v. 5) to work, even the first time. Click the "new CD" button (in the same location that the new document is in every other GUI ever made), pick the type of CD you want, drag the files you want from the hard drive window to the new window that represents the CD, click the "write CD" button or choose "write CD" from the file menu, click burn.
I never had to look in any documentation to figure out how to do anything that wasn't pretty complicated.
After reading the ENTIRE mkisofs man page, I still don't know if I know how to actually write the ISO to the CD, I just have a pointer to look at cdwrite and this -o option that sounds like I can add
I'm not trying to judge you our your opitions, I'm just trying to show that there are very legitimate reasons why someone will prefer a GUI. They are almost universally easier to use than text tools, as you have to go to documentation to figure out how to do things with text tools whereas you can poke around for a minute or two with a GUI. (I'm talking Unix style text tools here, not like NCurses stuff, or even programs that present you with a series of text menus.)
Of course, there are legitimate reasons for liking a command line too. It's scriptable. You can set it up to do repetitive tasks automatically. (Not very useful for CD burning since you still need to put in new CDs, but this is an exception to the rule.) If you know what you're doing, it's often faster than a GUI. (Though again, I can essentially gurantee I can find files in a graphical tree much faster than with a command line, especially for something like CD backups where I'm looking in many of the directories to see if there's anything I need to archive. This is again an exception to the general case.)
But to say that a CLI program is more convenient or that you're better off with a CLI is nothing more than your personal opinion.
How many copies of nero i have?
3
Can i use nero linux?
no
Am i going to get a linuxnero license?
no
Will oems bundle nero linux?
And the winner is:
You are a GNU/Faggot! The source to your asshole is open and free for anyone to modify.
I don't know if I'd really consider it a choice. You need to go through all of the effort of getting a Nero license, downloading it, and installing it.
Although I haven't checked the download out, I'll bet you that they only support a very finite number of distros. Probably just RedHat and SuSE, and they'll just provide an RPM. The people who don't use RPM get screwed. It isn't as convinient.
Perhaps Nero won't be like this, but that's the general experience I have with all of the closed-source stuff companies try to provide me with. It takes a significant amount of effort to get it to work on anything besides what they deem 'Supported'. It just isn't the same.
The Yasashii Syndicate ||
They used verion 1? What's their excuse for that? Maybe if development began in the late 90s, but not this. Good god.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
about 2 years ago, I was looking for a copy of nero that worked with linux. You know, right about the time k3b was released? I think that they're just a little behind the eight-ball since I can use a real gnome-navite app like nautilus-cd-burner, or sound-juicer instead. Would have been interested in the past. Now? not so much.
Can I be a Luddite too?
You can use nrg2iso
YAFIRL (Yet another Free iPods referral link)
Can nero burn .toc images (used frequently for Linux homebrew software)?
.nrg is nero format, .toc is cdrdao format.)
(Hint:
(Answer: yes.)
Well nobody really buys Nero tools... Usually you get them along with burning (CDRW/DVDR) hardware as an OEM... So this is kind of cool - I haven't get a grip on that yet - you buy hardware and actually get a working software (? I haven't tried it yet) for Linux. For me it is something unusual... Point for Nero! Keep in mind that some stuff around burning CDs just can't be free (like in beer) since it is patented. But well... It is still some usefull stuff. It is nice that you get license on those stupid patented stuff when you buy hardware. Isn't it?
If you've paid for the licence they let you have a linux version for no extra cost - that's all it is. As soon as the word "free" is used people try to put theur own definitions on it - from the marketers at one extreme and RMS at the other.
The more cross platform apps that people are familiar with the better - there are a lot of clerical staff out there that never want to learn how to use a second computer program of the same type. If they use Nero as their first example of a CD burner they will expect everything else to behave identically.
I think you are reading too much into it. Their method of getting licences out there is win32 CDROMs in boxes, and once you have a licence you can download. Setting up an alternative licenceing system would take work and expense in comparison to a cheap piece of plastic in a cheap box - you pay dollars for the software and but the packaging and media are worth cents. They've paid some guys to port their software and test it, so if we want to run it we should buy it - and if we don't want to there are alternatives.This issue is bigger than linux - the more cross platform software out there the better.
Interesting view, but Nero will be giving proportionally less money to Microsoft if they are using other development and testing platforms, so your money would be going to Nero and helping them give less money to Microsoft. Becuse you aren't really getting a "free" product - the marketers have been out spreading confusion. It's no more free than the plastic toy that comes extra with cornflakes. You can't go to the cornflakes manufacturers and demand your free plastic toy, you have to buy the cornflakes to get it. You are just buying Nero, it may come with win32 binaries on a piece of plastic, but the right to download other versions may be the important thing. To put things in perspective, if your peice of plastic is damaged you can download the win32 version as well, it's the proof that you paid them money that they care about.the ultimate step to Linux on the desktop would be some nice and warm adware - something that would pop up dozens of Windows at random times, all from nasty apps compiled against the commercial version of QT. :D Oh, and of course, it would break through your Linux firewall and recompile a modified Linux kernel behind your back. Does that sound nice already?
But what about something like SimpleCDRTools (or something like that) which I set up for my parents. Handles saved playlists for audio files, mastered cd images, etc.
:-)
Great little program. UI needs just a little streamlining, but still is pretty good. And it wraps all the wonderfully powerful command line tools
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
I checked posting history. Your point is?
I read his name. Your point again?
What the hell does it all have to do with the content of this particular comment?
I've just tried it out. It installed and ran with no problems whatsoever. It's quite a nice piece of software. Well worth having a look at.
What I really wonder, why they still use gtk1 while gtk2 is out for years, and rocks. Thanks to them, I realized I don't have any theme for gtk1 interface.
That is the best desription of linux users ever to have been written.
/. users are in the first group.
The majority of
I had a nice set of 3Dish cursors for a bit.
Plus most of the themes I've installed in the past have had new cursors, though I usually didn't use them.
except that they also provide a nice .deb package that installed fine on my debian desktop and ubuntu laptop.
They have noticed that k3b is about to knock them out of the game.
I used to use Nero back when I ran a windows desktop. k3b is now a very good replacment.
I, for one welcome our Nero Overlords...
Umm...I don't get it. I usually have to pay for my beer. I mustn't go to the right bars.
"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." --Senator Carl Schurz (1872)
I am hurt and offended that you would accuse me of astroturfing my own post. Is it so hard to believe others *might*, must maybe, agree with me?
One word:
k3b
OK, well, more than one word. It is driven by cdrdao (and cdrecord), and it's way better than Nero was when I used it back in 99. So there. =)
I can't really speak for Nero 6, though.
Admittedly, I'm a Windows user who likes familiar programs, Nero being one of them. But if there are free / OSS versions of cd burning software out there that can come even close to Nero, I would love to know about them. Do tell!
The more opportunities I have to rid myself of bigger commercial software ventures and donate to OSS projects, the better I feel about using that software.
I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
Huh? I'm just a third party replying to the "MD5 of your IP" guy just for the hell of it.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
This is interesting. Linux has had burnable CD support for about 8 or 9 years now. When CD burning was a big deal (and a new thing) Nero cheerfully snubbed Linux. Years passed. Linux got burning CD support (better than windows), then Linux got burning DVD support. Now, after all these years, Nero 'suddenly' finds Linux. Wow. I can get it, and have it occupy my hard disk, and I can get proprietary, less functional support with the option to buy, when I already have fine burning software. So how is this helpful? What good does it offer me? Sorry, but the time to market was about 8 or 9 years ago. As far as Linux is concerned, this ship has sailed.
Not since Marie-Antoinette played milkmaid has looking simple and honest been so fake and complicated.
Hey linux users, have a look at this:
http://www.geocities.com/leather_n_luv/linux.html
... is to let CD/DVD-RW drive manufacturers distribute a Linux version of Nero with their products, just like they do with Windows version nowadays. Im fact, most sales of Nero/Win are OEM. Now some of those drives sold will feature a cute penguin logo on their box. Is that bad? Definitely no, even if you don't use Nero and never plan to.
I also think it's pretty damn cool that despite all of the cool front-ends out there, basically just a handful of the same utilities are used.
I can think of a few things that the current linux combos of those utils can't accomplish, however, at least the last time I looked into each one:
- Writing clone-cd image files. Many off-site archival backups of Playstation games come in this format. There is no native linux utility of which I'm aware that can handle these. In any case, it's a bullshit format - the very good Windows utility CDMage can convert them to bin/cue format, which cdrdao-using programs can then burn. The conversion works 100% of the time, and CDMage runs in linux via WINE very well - still, this is an extra and time-consuming step...
- Writing cd+g (or is it +eg?) formats - Karoke cd's, that is. I wonder if Nero can do this?
- Writing an mp3 file on the fly in DOA mode. I haven't tested the DAO mode in cdrecord - but in my experience, most front-ends use cdrdao to burn DAO, and cdrdao can't be fed an input-stream (last I checked, anyway), because it needs a cue file as well as the bin-data. So, you must convert the mp3 files into waves first and then burn them in DAO mode. If you use cdrecord with a pipe (or a front end) to do this in real time, the result will be TAO.
So I for one welcome some new blood/competition (sorry, no 'overlords' joke), assuming Nero will write code from mostly-scratch (which I don't know because I didn't RTFA). BTW, I thought the Windows version of Nero ran under WINE, so this might be a way to handle some of the above anyway.dahlek (will you squirm when you are pecked
Just 5 second ago, I was just thinking that I love the nero 6 Ultra that I bought. I bought it for the purpose of encoding my video collections, and recently found out that they have one of the best encoders there is. They continue to give free updates. I only wished that it's more workable in linux, and here they release a version for linux.
That is so bad, and yet so funny. Damn it, I need to get some sleep.
Go Nero! Go Nero!
This is great news!
So what if it isnt free as in freedom. Anyone who belives that Linux will have a chanse against Windows and OS X while running exclusively OSS needs to jank his or hers head out of the skies and get down to earth.
Im buying a lisence!
When in danger, whewn in doubt! Run in circles, scream and shout!
The Nero 6 Line is up to 6.6.[something] if I remember right. So it shouldn't be too much longer before we are granted a Nero 7. With that in mind, it would seem to me that if they are serious about a Linux port, then they would include a Linux installer disk with their next release or have a windows box and linux box sitting on the shelves. I for one am willing to wait and see how much Nero wants to put into the pot on there new little business gamble.
Vol~
Care to elucidate?
How about getting my FOS burners onto Windows? Or maybe there's a live distro that can do it instead? I'm tired of having to use Nero or ECDC when I'm maintaining my parents' machines.
Do you see what I did there?
"Would you like to open your beloved OperatingSystem to the mainstream, would you want to see it become a real alternative to Windows, with commercial and proprietary applications?"
People are using it, so it is an alternative.
"Mainstream and real competetion equals to commercial stuff (and the author of this message thinks this is GOOD)."
Oh goodie. closed, and proprietary are coming to Linux. Now maybe Microsoft will take us seriously and REALLY start FUDDING us.
"Or do you prefer to stay geekie? Sugar-coke, kernel-hacks, geek-elitism, no sunlight, no showers, spots (and clearasil), jokes about years old bsd-girl-daemon-pics?"
Or prefer to be free of the hardware-rental, we need more money, we'll no longer support your choice of OS, we know what's good for you, here's some DRM for your troubles, oh do you own a Mac, so sorry, no software for you...that the closed-everything world eats up like candy, and then criticizes those who know better.
"Then let them know it (and greet the openbsd community in that case)."
The BSD's are friendlier to the closed-source world. just ask Apple.
"Decide for yourself."
Already have. So how much pain will it take for you all to learn better?
Here you lay down the law, saying, "Welcome to capitalism" yet in your post above you say, "How about stop whining and give them a little support".
Well, which is it? Nero is entering a niche market with 80% of potential users' needs met by a free competitor. Why not welcome them to capitalism? Instead, you stomp your feet and complain that users aren't cheering the arrival of a product they don't need and don't want.
There are plenty of cheers to go with the purist complaints when somebody ports something interesting to linux (like a popular game), but who the hell cares about Nero? As for the switchers you allude to, is there really anyone out there who is willing to give up their favorite games and office suite, but their cd-buring app is keeping them tied to Windows? It strains belief.
Maybe some people will use it maybe they won't. But the collective shrug seen here strikes me as an entirely appropriate response. Welcome to capitalism.
Kill, Tux, kill!
So now we mod people based on PAST posts?
Rather than mod you down, I decided to reply.
When faced with a comment that evokes a reaction, but I'm not sure what kind, I look to the user's post history to make a judgement. If the user has several up mods I give them the benefit of the doubt and put an interesting on it. If they mostly post crap and get neg mods, I leave it for someone else to mod down.
I think other mods do this too, I have seen this topic come up a few times.
Do not meddle in the affairs of geeks for they are subtle and quick to anger
So if you bought the Windows version, you can get the Linux version for free?
Coder's Stone: The programming language quick ref for iPad
Will they still be able to self-boot? I've seen Dreamcast homebrew software released with a batch file and the necessary utilities to create a disc image, and they always start by making an iso image file, and then converting that to .nrg. Since ISO files are so universally accepted by CD recording utilities, I assumed that the .nrg conversion was to make the disc bootable in a Dreamcast.
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
I'm using Fedora Core 3, after installing the RPM it gave a series of warnings about an unsupported OS, which I fully ignored and it ran fine.
It's about as easy and logical to use as older versions of nero (5 and below) though this is just my own opinion having installed it 15 minutes ago.
K3B I think is better from a useability point. Again, my own opinion. YMMV.
Incidentally, the majority of users also do not assume a moniker derived from women's clothing.
Dude, that's his real name!
It seams that Nero Linux is some wired mixture of GTK1 and Gnome.
I would like to thank you for taking notice of linux, however, you made a couple of mistakes. Let us review. 1) I can get it for free IF I have a paid and registered for a windows version of the software. Just because we use "free" (as in speech) doesn't mean that we are below paying for a peice of software commercially. Hell I'd pay $29.99 for a good CD burning kit if it had noticably better features than my current software (k3b). Unforunatly I do have an issue with having to buy one piece of software that is completly useless to me to use another. I have not run (MS) Windows for at least 4 years and when I did I really did not have use for a cd burner anyways. I am not below paying for (quality) commecial software I own a copy of Photoshop CS that I use on my Apple G5. I play Doom 3, World of Warcraft, Half Life 2 and UT2k3-4 with cedega and I listen to and purchase music on iTunes using CrossOver Office. Each piece of the software I have purchased and use almost daily. Just sell it for $29.99 or whatever you guys charge for your software. 2) Unlike most Windows users Linux users will read the EULA and everything else we can find on and about the software. Why on earth did you use Microsoft's DRM on a Linux product. There is no way in hell you will catch any Linux user running that. Most Linux users absolutley hate Microsoft we use Linux not always because it's "free" but because it is better than the mainstream OS (Microsoft). Excuse the analogy but I prefer to be able to grab my OS by the balls and make it do what ever the hell I tell it to. DRM in most of our opinions removes fair-use from the game. Besides it's Microsoft. Can't you use some other form of DRM or other. Please. 3) It's a nice gesture you'll probably take a lot of flak for the way it was released. Don't stop though keep working on it. The only way you get a piece of software to be adopted by the linux community though is for it to be better than everything else. Seriously I do not see any benifit to my current software. I have no intentions of installing your software until you stop the farse of a "free copy" and just sell it for fuck's sake, and remove MS's DRM and use something more appropriate ( None MS ). Sincerly, JD Geier
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!
Can idiots quit using propriety formats for their software? ISOs would work just fine.
I took a look at the web site, and clicked on the "buy" link. There's no way that I can just buy Nero for Linux. Either they haven't updated their web site completely, or they want to make me buy Nero for Windows in order to get Nero for Linux.
That, as Milton Friedman would say, distorts the commmunication that one's purchases constitute in a free market. I don't want Nero for Windows--I don't use Windows (save at work, under duress). I have no use for Nero for Windows...but there's no way I can communicate that to Nero with my money, the way they have it set up.
It's a shame it's so expensive... I try my damndest to buy from any company that supports their products on Linux. I
bought all but maybe 2 of Loki's games... even the ones that were dubious like Eric's Ultimate Solitaire.
But I just can't justify $100 for something that does less than what I can do with free software. Not a zealot
here, just have a house payment to make. =/
25% Funny, 25% Insightful, 25% Informative, 25% Troll
Well, this is my history with CD burning. When I first did it I was a Windows user and naturally used GUI programs to burn my CDs. It was OK I couldn't complain.
Then I made teh switch to Linux and tried a couple GUI CD burning applications and hated them. I was so relieved when I found how easy the two step process of mkisofs and cdrecord was on the CLI that that's all I used for a long time.
Then I discovered k3b. I don't use KDE, but I really like the ease of use that k3b provides, so I've switched back from CLI to GUI.
i hope alcohol 120% also does the same i love nero's capabilities
The German company Nero, developers of the award-winning Nero Burning ROM suite for windows...
I may be mistaken, but isn't Nero Burning ROM made by Ahead software? And Nero is the product.
if you go to http://www.ahead.de/en/index2.htm you get redirected to Nero.com, but that's still ahead softwares website.
Or on a news for nerds site, the editors don't need to be nerds and be aware of this?
DarkMantle I been bored, so I started a blog.
Yeah.... the slashdot interface is a little daft in that regard. There's NO indication that a post is in fact replying to a screened/hidden post, rather than the 'visible parent'.
One needs to, onceself, say "okay, that response doesn't make sense, perhaps I should click 'parent' to see if it was in response to some OTHER post.
Just a little indication of "in reponse to hidden post" would alleviate a LOT of confusion.
The company is 'Ahead' ;) But that's just a detail.
Mind the frickin' laser...
How is it better than cdrdao?
:D
cdrdao doesn't support multiple device burning at the moment. Nero does provide support for that.
Oh yeah, one less reason for me to stay on Windows!
The moment ICQ 2003b works on Linux, I will switch!
Online backup with Mozy, sounds like Ozzie, but more!
This is entirely offtopic, so I'm going to mod myself down (no karma bonus) so as to not disrupt the article thread, but I agree.
If I'm not sure if a person is trying to troll or not, I check their past posting history and see what they're prone to doing. If they have a stack of -1 moderations in the past X postings, then by all means it's pretty safe to assume they're a serial troll and handle it accordingly.
It's only reasonable to take someone's history in mind when dealing with them.
Well the advantages of nero Burning rom, are that you can warez and use version 666 for windows. and then use that satanic cd key to run nero burning rom for linux, so your linux box doesn't have to go to heaven when your windows box gets to burn in hell.
IMO, nero version 6.6.0.6 is the last version they even need to make. what better versioning number can you make than 666 to defeat the evil windows built in cd-burning program for dominance in the market place? Nero Ultra 666 has earned Satans seal of approval for burning CD's/DVD's in hell.
Nero may be fine, I don't use it.
...
However
Nero Express, the OEM version (which is probably
the same as the Linux free version) is a piece of crap!
I've been working on burning some CDs at work using Nero's OEM version. I've begged them to let me use Linux to burn them. Each CD has 8-14,000 files. This just buries the CD burning software and loads the system to 100% usage. I've literally spent HOURS babysitting this process just to burn one CD, then I have to reboot the machine to burn another one.
I've suggested zipping them into a single file, but no go.
I wouldn't take Nero Software to burn CDs under Linux if they paid me!
I routinely burn backups to my Linux CDRW containing 10s of thousands of files and I don't spend hours doing it.
Oops, my bad,,, and thanks for replying.
Unless people don't want Linux getting out to the masses, this can't be anything but good... sure it's not open source, free source code, but honestly some commercial apps for linux probably never will be... the more companies that are interested in linux the happier i am.
None of the screenshots are in .png format! It's and outrage!
"Our opponent is an alien starship packed with atomic bombs. We have a protractor."
Somehow I'd be more impressed if I was given this option with my next DVD burner. I've never *seen* a full version of Nero 6, so it's not as if they're rolling out the red carpet to your average user. I wouldn't be too impressed if I were a drive manufacturer.
OTOH, it's a great way of sorting out the pirate reg keys, don't you think?
insecurity asks the wrong question irritation gives the wrong answer
It was reported a while ago that recent versions of Nero run on Linux using recent versions of WINE.
HERE
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
While I agree Nero is too late to the party maybe it's good to give Schilling some competition. Someone needs to keep him in check after all the fiascos he's caused. First ide-scsi and now the 2.6 kernel CD burning problems.
The more disc burning programs there are the more Schilling will have to shut up and sit down.
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Wrong. The majority of /. users are Windows lusers disguised as 1337 linux users.
sounds like I can add /dev/acd0,
/dev/acd0 data image.iso fixate
FreeBSD? man burncd should help you.
To burn your ISO image (example from the burncd manual):
burncd -f
IMHO, far easier and far more elegant than Linux's cdrecord and its horrendous SCSI emulation hack.
Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker.
Fellow slashdotter Bill Dog
In context, it's on-topic....
Honestly. Mod the comment, not the user.
I am one of those Windows users who has spent a lot of time looking at Linux distros but has yet to commit. I am studying for those basic certifications I need to be taken semi-seriously and recognize the need to move to Linux for reasons both personal and professional. I have spent the money on Nero Ultra Edition for the sake of having a lot of stable tools beneath the fairly unattractive interface.
Being able to keep (some of) these tools while I move on to greener pastures will make life just a little easier, and I will feel that my money was better spent.
Linus and probably half the kernel hackers would like nothing more than what you suggest. The people who put together Debian would consider your proposal the exact opposite of what they want. You being an insulting little prick doesn't help either.
How we know is more important than what we know.
it looks like wxWindows to me
Can idiots quit using propriety formats for their software? ISOs would work just fine.
I've yet to find a Dreamcast ISO file that can properly self-boot.
But then, maybe people who create the images just don't know what they're doing.
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
This is the manpage's summary on my Debian system:
mkisofs - create an hybrid ISO9660/JOLIET/HFS filesystem with optional Rock Ridge attributes.
mkisofs just makes an ISO file system; you need another program to burn it. It's common on UNIX for each program to perform only one task like this, so being used to the command line would help you figure it out.
I am confused about the filenames that will appear on the CD; it looks like mkisofs will truncate them to 8.3 format unless you use -I, but is this using Joliet extensions or just using ISO9660 to its fullest?
Just ISO9660. Specify it along with -J for Joliet, and -r for Rock Ridge with sane permissions. The CD should work fine on UNIX, Windows, and Mac.
I'll need to make a copy (or at least symbolic links) of all my files in another directory because I essentially never make a CD based off just a single directory structure.
I just make a directory of symlinks. There are already good file management programs, including GUI ones, so I see no reason to duplicate them inside a burning program. Of course that's just an opinion - lots of people will expect a burning GUI to have a file manager.
Instead of using mkisofs and cdrecord directly, I use a script I downloaded from somewhere. It's too difficult to figure out a good mkisofs command line because of the number of options, and difficult to burn on-the-fly (via a pipe to cdrecord) because cdrecord needs the size ahead of time. But it's easy with a good script. I just type "burndir directory_name", where burndir is this script:
(Score -1, Load of drivel)
Been using Nero for years now and it's by far the best cd burning app I've seen.
The Linux community desperately needs Nero! Nero will be a huge improvement over the rediculously inadaquate and counterintuitive burning apps currently available.
After reading the ENTIRE mkisofs man page, I still don't know if I know how to actually write the ISO to the CD
Tried to use a hammer as a screwdriver and didn't succeed? How nice.
Because mkisofs is not for writing ISO to CD. It is for creating ISO.
Quoting The Oxford Dictionary of English (2nd Edn.) (note: there is a spoiler about the novel in the 'ORIGIN' part, below):
catch-22, noun a dilemma or difficult circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting or dependent conditions: [as modifier] a catch-22 situation.
-ORIGIN 1970s: title of a novel by Joseph Heller (1961) in which the main character feigns madness in order to avoid dangerous combat missions, but his desire to avoid them is taken to prove his sanity.
But you were right on one account.
That does not qualify as a catch-22 situation. 'catch-22' cannot be used in every lose-lose situation.
Sorry for taking this discussion completely off-topic, but the parent started it!
I've yet to find a Dreamcast ISO file that can properly self-boot.
Umm yeah, that's because it is not generally possible to make a self booting CD with just one ISO. You need to have a proper length audio track and multi sessions.
BIN/CUE is one way to go because the BIN file can have arbitrary data keyed by the CUE. A file called an ISO is typically...wait for it.. an ISO file system only.
A self booting ISO is called that because it must contain the IPL inserted in it. Burning it properly is your responsibility, not the creators. There are numerous documents on how to do this.
...well known software migrated to Linux...
thx. to Nero for the initiative.
Easy to learn != Easy to use.
Usability is a term that can be very misleading because it means different things to different people. I tend to do things from the command line not because I'm a masochist, but because it is truly easier for me. Playing with a gui takes longer and is less efficient than using a CLI in most cases. There are of course exceptions to this statement and every tool should be used where it most appropriate and functions best.
I do hope you were joking when you said that some Linux users actually try to make their system harder to use just to impress themselves. Computers are cumbersome enough as it is without actively working to make them more so. No rational person is going to do that no matter how "1337" they think they are.
What's wrong with Gaim?
Well, K3b takes care of that for me.
I was a big fan of Nero back when I was a Windows user. Great software, especially compared to Adaptec/Roxio, but I honestly don't see what they have to offer the modern Linux user.
A few years ago I would have been really excited about this, but now it just seems like they're late to the party. Maybe I'm missing something, or have forgotten something in the 2+ years since I switched?
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
Its closed source, you must buy it, there is free opensource command line tool, Nero is dieing.
Move on...
"We want" both. There are so many groups, and so many individuals who all use Linux. There is room for both.
I hope you can understand that.
They are doing a similar thing as Doom 3 and Unreal Tournemant. Buy the windows version and you can use the native Linux client. It's good for those windows users used to Nero and want to migrate to Linux. Personally, k3b does all I need, but if I had bought a copy of Nero for windows, I'd consider this a nice gesture. Thanks Nero guys! :)
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The only people who should try to support the company making Nero are those who actually need to use it themselves --- this is as true for such non-free softare as for FOSS. For the rest of us, this is probably less useful than Emacs to a vi-fan, and we can whine all we want without affecting the company or anyone else in any way, as long as both sides keep facts straight (which seems to be mostly true here) so that new users are not misled. There is no point in arguing with personal opinions such as whether CLI or GUI is easier to use --- if enough users want Nero on Linux, good; if the number of users who prefer Nero to the competing FOSS solutions is too low to keep the company happy, they may well stop and it won't affect Desktop Linux much, as a whole.
How is NERO for Linux any better than K3B? At least when a burn fails under K3B, I stand a better chance figuring out why - it uses the the proven-good console cd/dvd-mastering tools AND DOESN'T HIDE the OUTPUT from the user, allowing me to see the logs. K3B is a friendly and versatile front end to many CLI cd/dvd/cd-xa/cd-da/udf/isofs tools under Linux - AND it's free.
Actually I believe what really happens is that some users have been burned by graphical tools on other platforms and/or cli users somehow believe that either you have gui tools or cli tools.
A graphical tool or wizard can read in a text configuration file, make changes to settings and output them to the original file. There is no reason we can't have the best of both worlds.
How is it better than cdrdao?
Even if it weren't any better, wouldn't you consider it a good thing that another company is seeing Linux as a desktop operating system?
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Just have to set the right option not on a linux machine at moment but I have burn stuff like that before without problem. There is a option that lets k3d burn strange stuff just find it.
Except they don't. You need to enter the serial number of your store-bought windows version of nero-reloaded in order to be allowed to download it. If they were really serious about it they would allow NeroLINUX to be bought directly
No rational person is going to do that no matter how "1337" they think they are.
Right, but remember that Linux users are not rational by any standard. They constantly insist that their solution to Windows is more secure, stable, feature-full, blah blah. Whatever, I say. Last time I checked Windows XP ran on less HW requirements than Gnome or KDE (And you can take that fluxbox argument and shove it up your faggot ass. Let's compare apples to apples here), Windows runs more mainstream games than Linux (again, take your QIII argument and shove it up your ass. I double click an icon to get playability. What did you do, edit a handful of obscure files by hand, then spend 2 hours on google looking for the solution to the problem affecting you and maybe one or two other people?), and Windows is more secure than Linux. The news doesn't report Linux flaws daily like they are found with Windows, which leads to a false impression of Linux being more secure than Windows. Yes, the Linux crowd practices it's own version of FUD, except it's full of logic holes big enough to shove a Cray through. Last time I checked, Linux servers were getting holed about a thousand times a day. Linux is THE most insecure and unstable OS around (And you can take that 'Linux is a kernel, not an OS' argument and stick it where the other two should be right now as well. Linux is percieved to be an OS, and therefore it is an OS, since perception is everything), and what's more, because if it's lack of standardization it's ugly and unreliable. UGLY AND UNRELIABLE. Yet in spite of this there is a fractioned minority that insists that their shit doesn't stink, and it's somehow prettier and more usable than a quailty, refined product that sits on over 99% of the world computers. Rational? The Linux community isn't acquainted with that word...
Have you ever used a recent version of K3B?
Surely K3B has some bugs (see bugs.kde.org) but burning files (even "--readme.txt") just works.
There is not much point in me going "me too", but here goes... me to
There seems to be some misconception about Linux users, mostly that we are only "in it" for the "free beer", this is NOT the case!! I have paid for the software I use (if there was an option..).
I was overjoyed to hear that Ahead have started supporting Linux, now we just need the big products from Adobe and Macromedia to be ported then 90% of non-gaming windows users could switch totally to Linux (the other 10% want Fruity Loops and Cool Edit!).
I checked out the demo version of nerolinux today but I was disappointed with its lacking (compared to the Windows version) feature set- primarily in the area of video support.
k3b does pretty much everything I want as far as burning is concerned and does it very well, so I was hoping nerolinux would enable me do that one thing that k3b doesn't yet- quickly and easily convert a divx/xvid/mpeg/quicktime or whatever to a video DVD or VCD. No such luck.
If they include a fast video transcoder and maybe even a DVD or VCD menu editor in the next release (I just hope there will be a next release....) and PREFERABLY split it off from the Windows bundle into an individual product then I would gladly fork out for it.
You need to go through all of the effort of getting a Nero license, downloading it, and installing it.
That is by far the most stupid fucking argument I have heard in a very long time, and I've been reading Slashdot at -1 Nested for five years now. How is having the option to download and install Nero not a choice exactly?
In 2003, when Nero came out with their Windows v5.5 version and a few months later with the v6 release, I was happy to pay them their 40+35(upgrade) Euros for their product. It was a very good investment... and now in 2005 I get to use NeroLinux for free :-)
Windows users with proper purchased Nero v6 license will be the ones to most benefit from this release...
When faced with a comment that evokes a reaction, but I'm not sure what kind, I look to the user's post history to make a judgement.
Or you know, you could just leave it alone and wait until you see a post that actually deserves moderating. Crazy, I know.
If they mostly post crap and get neg mods, I leave it for someone else to mod down.
You fucking pussy. How exactly do people like you keep getting mod points? Oh that's right, you avoid M2 by moderating like a stupid fuck.
Oh and yes, I get plenty of mod points. I know what to do with them, though.
Greetings,
well, what's the only thing justify properitary burning sotware on linux? (3...2....1...0 beep) jeep: Mpeg 2.
All features NeroLinux include are included in k3b.
k3b offers same compatibility, a user friendly GUI and uses well established and tested routings (crdao, cdrecord, mkisofs).
But it lacks, when it comes to Video-DVDs / SVCDs. Due to patent issues, you cannot use mpeg2. But Nero (on Win32) is good at Mpeg2. It includes an mpeg2 encoder (NeroVision), the ability to create menus, DVDs and so on.
This is, where current Linux GUIs lacks.
For now, nero is just a k3b clone.
Two points. You don't need to buy Nero at a store. You can buy a licence (That would work in both the Windows and Linux versions) via. their website.
I'd guess they've restricted downloads to those with current copies of Nero on Windows on purpose. Think about it; if you have Nero on Windows you're familiar with the software, so your less likely to have problems using it on Linux. I expect Nero will change their download policy for the Linux version at some point in the not too distant future.
Huh? Please explain? TIA.
That's because mkisofs doesn't burn cds, it makes ISOs.
You want cdrecord.
Interesting that this news was posted today. Just this morning, I burnt my first DVD+R DL disc using K3b. I thought that since the disc was rather expensive, I really want this to work first time. I hit the 'Simulate' button, and hence the 'Verify Written Data' option was grayed out as I wasn't actually burning a real disc, but I had intended to use it later.
After the disc was ejected, I put it back in and selected the same options as I had before, with the exception of 'Verify Written Data' checked instead of 'Simulate'. I got an error straight away... something about already having a non-blank disc already in the drive. Looking at the disc, sure enough the disc had already burnt!
K3b has been around for a long time now. It sure looks pretty and is easy to use, but bugs like this keep me away from alternative GUI tools.
It's GNU/Linux dammit!
Really. It doesn't matter that k3b looks nicer and does the same thing, they're more comfortable knowing it's the same program available on linux.
I am trolling
...I was never that impressed with Nero when I was a Windows user. I've run assorted versions on about 5 different machines: I found it to be a major resource hog, and at best had a failure rate of about 1 in 4 disks.
Since switching to Linux, I've become totally satisfied with k3b, which has worked perfectly for me "out of the box" with SuSE 9.2. It's about twice as fast as Nero was on the same machine running Win2K, and it's roughly 100 for 100 burn attempts so far.
Some of the difference may well be due to the fact that Linux handles multitasking better than Windows in any case. Maybe the pay-for versions of Nero are really lots better than the OEM versions (all I've ever used). Even so... Why should I pay for something to replace a free product that (as far I've been able to tell) already performs perfectly?
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just downloaded it, and tested them against each other.
neroLINUX complained about magicdev (mdk10.1OE)
ran as-installed, no config changes.
Well, early in my copy of the manpage, it says "The cdrecord utility is a utility capable of burning an actual disc. The latest version of cdrecord is available from ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord". I thought the entry on -I was pretty clear, especially since the entry on -J just a few paragraphs down explains that that's the option to use for joliet. And if I look at the cdrecord manpage, it tells me pretty early on to use cdrecord dev=HELP to see how I'm allowed to access devices.
I am trolling
.. What can it do that K3b can't?
More apps are better, but the best thing is competition. If Nero being available for Linux means K3b getting better (and vice versa) I'm happy.
Still, for what I need it for, K3b is pretty useful.
Yes, it runs under WINE.
But no ASPI.
cdrecord and cdrdao have had native ATAPI support for a while now.
...
cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0
I haven't seen any comment yet from anyone who's tried NeroLINUX. I have, since I already had a license for the Win version (one of very few apps I've ever bought for Win).
Well, it's far from as feature-rich as the Windows version for the time being, but it works and is easy to use. The user interface is similar to GnomeToaster as someone said, but more polished. However, I don't think it is a frontend to the usual tools, there are a number of libs in the distribution too, and there's no configuration for the usual back-end tools (cdrecord etc).
At is stands today, K3d is more feature-rich, and I wouldn't spend money on NeroLINUX if I didn't have the Win version already and could get the Linux version for free. However, it's easy to use and I'll probably do so too.
BTW, I think Nero as a company behaves very well for a closed-source shop. The application suite is not very expensive compared to all the various apps that are included, and you can download updates for free for a long time (until they release a new major version number which seems to happen quite seldom).
Well CherryOS has been proven to be using code taken (Inspired) from PearPC. And yeah, to me anyway, NeroLinux looks awfully like a Nero-themed version of K3B.
Jesus you would think someone would be nice enough to document this.
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Well GAIM doesn't have all those flashy, unremovable ads that occupy all that ANNOYING idle processing time and memory I have lying around. Plus it's not released under the great honerable AOL EULA.
I've been using Nero for years and I gota say k3b and nero are almost the same. :)
Choices are always good though
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If I'm not sure if a person is trying to troll or not, I check their past posting history and see what they're prone to doing. If they have a stack of -1 moderations in the past X postings, then by all means it's pretty safe to assume they're a serial troll and handle it accordingly.
It's only reasonable to take someone's history in mind when dealing with them.
I completely agree with you that someone's history is important when you have any doubts about moderation, but there's one thing I'd like to add. Instead of only checking that there were negative moderations, please actually read those comments.
I checked the history of Pan T. Hose and to my surprise there are hardly any comments that were not moderated down at some point and still I have yet to read one of his posts that wouldn't be interesting and worth reading. So my suggestion is to read the posts, not their moderation, because even the one that is now Score:5, Insightful with "Excellent point" reply by duffbeer703 (177751) and "Excellent post" reply by swillden (191260) is "20% Troll" according to the Moderation summary.
I've also read his journal and this guy even gets Offtopic moderation of the clearly on-topic post in his own journal! Such posts look bad in the history as Score:0, Offtopic, but if you look closer it's his own reply to his own journal which even if was offtopic it shouldn't be in my opinion moderated as such.
I also noticed that most of his positively moderated Funny posts like this one which is now Score:3, Funny (Moderation +2, 50% Funny, 30% Overrated, 10% Troll) must cost him a lot of Karma, because Funny mods don't increase Karma, while all of the negative ones always decrease so you get positive moderation and negative Karma even if your comment settles on Score:5 - you get the idea.
In short, my advice is: when you are going to moderate basing your judgement on past moderations, please at least read the posts in question, because not everyone on Slashdot moderates fairly, and those who moderate as Overrated never get to metamoderation.
Actually, I've learned about Funny mods not increasing Karma and Overrated being excluded from the metamoderation reading the moderation analyses in Pan T. Hose's journal - he seems to get a lot of modbombings lately, so use your own judgement when moderating - never blindly follow others.
Perhaps some of the freeloaders would like to put their money where their mouth is and help out the Mozilla project?
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They've changed name from Ahead to Nero!
If the user has several up mods I give them the benefit of the doubt and put an interesting on it. If they mostly post crap and get neg mods, I leave it for someone else to mod down.
What if they get neg mods even when they don't "mostly post crap"?
Is this crap? Is this? Is this crap? (Hint: see the story in which it was posted.) What about this? (Score:5, Insightful right now but was moderated as Troll in the past). My point is that you should never base your judgement on past moderations - you should always actually read those posts from user's history, because many of those Troll and Overrated comments deserve and need your Interesting mod. See also this comment of mine.
As the subject said, why do i have to pay for the windows version when i want the linux version?
I don't have the problems with commandline thingies since i use nautilus cd burner and i have never had any problems with it. And why are there no screenshots? I won't just buy a windows version to get a linux burner "free" if i dunno what it can do and looks like.
(Judging from neros other ui's the ui should be good but who knows)
Oh, and since i recently aquired a amd64, why there is no 64 bit version =).
mkisofs and cdrecord for all my data, cdrdao and gcdmaster for all my audio needs. Pre-gaps, hidden "0" tracks, all that is really easy to do. I set my Mom up with Nero on her Windows box and kinda had a hard time of getting it. Although I would like a flashy, easy jewel case sleeve-designer program. Hrm. At the same time, that's with my supported CD-RW, purchased after careful study of cdrdao supported drives. If Nero brings more driver support to Linux, then all the power to them!
You're just not bothering any more are you?
He's clearly a troll. A relatively subtle one, but a troll none the less. Nothing he says can be trusted, because he's getting childish kicks from playing mind games with language.
While this is a 'good thing' and need to give some credit to them, many of us are quite happy with the *free* offerings available today.
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"The man page explains everything..."
And therein lies the problem. Most, if not all, manpages were written by the very geeks that wrote the progam. Things that are obvious to the programmers may not be obvious to the end user. People get that glassy-eyed look when reading a program's documentation that has too many options especially if they get all technical in the docs.
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When I am looking for software for a specific task, I always do my best to avoid GPLed software. 9 times out of 10 the Shareware or BSD/PubDom software will be more functional and easier to use than the GPLed stuff. I used to be a real Linux fanatic but now I have switched back to Windows and Shareware/Commercial software, just because I need to get some work done and not have the endless struggle of trying to get the most simple tasks to work on Linux.
In short: I don't WANT the source code. I want to program to work as soon as I download it so I don't have to code anything myself.
The GPL is like piss in the Linux pool. It is too dangerous for commercial developers to enter.
Your grammar and spelling are both atrocious. Hell, you didn't even get the "I before E except after C" rule right.
The one part of the Nero suite that I would really like to see on Linux is NeroVision Express. It is very easy to make basic DVD's with or without animated buttons and stuff with that program. The more complex things is apparently out of its league (like designing each menu page and out-of-order chapter placing), but for most things, it's quite good.
:)
It doesn't seem to be included in their Nero for Linux stack (yet?). I think they could easily make some money on that program if it had at least the feature-set of the current Windows version as regards VCD/SVCD/DVD creation and movie editing, etc...
If there's actually a NeroVision program that has more features then bring it
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...Or at least the sense of trying something new that could possibly give them a better [computer] working environment...
But that's really the same diff, ain't it? :-P
Galen
In your face, and always right!
"Sane person" and "average user joe" just doesn't add up. This was kind of a worst-case scenario, this was also meant to be funny - just in case you took it too seriously.
And by the way, of course no Windows user runs their desktop with Administrator rights? Uh huh! Why would it be any different if Linux became mainstream? It's not like it is any difficult to create users on Windows... yet practically nobody does that (I mean, maybe less than 5%?)
Well, this looks interesting, but I'm going to wait on checking it out until there's a way for me to purchase just the Linux version without having a useless Windows version laying around the house.
Seriously... it has to be one of the best cd burning programs for Windows. Glad to see it make the migration, but too bad it will still cost you $50 to get a copy.
Any references?
It seems everyone wants to put it down complaining about any number of things but have you tried it first, No? then I suggest you stop critizing it before it has a chance to get reviewed.
My main stay for burning in linux has been XCDroast and it has done fine, I have used K3B and somtimes used the command line and was quite interested in Nero for linux. I allready use Nero in windows and by the way their is 2 interface styles to Nero.
If you use the OEM you get the lite quick start version and no access to the full version, if you own the full version you can choose which way you want it. The older GUI has not changed that much and anyone who has owned full Nero knows this.
So complaining about the lite version and not having used the full version is again lame.
Now any software I have used has good points and bad points and that is for any OS I have used it in.
So I just went and picked up the NeroLINUX and installed it to my MDK 10.1, it installed fine and I am burning a DVD image right now.
Now my only problem is out of all 3 programs I have used, K3B, XCDRoast, NeroLINUX I still cannot get higher than 4x burn on my DVD's and yes I have a 16x burner and 8x media that does 12x burn in Nero in windows, hehe any tips would be helpfull..
To sum it up try it before you blast it out of the water.
This is about the stupidest offer I have ever seen ? You can't even try it out without buying a Windows version ? Come on Nero, you are fiddling while Rome is burning down around you. this is what you should do: either allow the OEM version serial numbers to work (which I do have one purchased with my Yamaha drive), or simply allow Linux trial version that you could purchase later, or simply give it away to sway customer away from k3b (which is free and works better) you are Soooo stupid ! Further, you have wasted my time getting to this point (realize what your offer really is) and now I distrust you and would think twice before ever buying anything from your. You guys are complete idiots ! IDONTUSEWINDOWS
...people usually do ignore about personally registered licenses for proprietary closed source burning software: Nero puts it's own serial number encoded on every shiny disc it burns. Maybe, in near future, that could be a big problem for some of you fans of Nero. Depending on what you actually burn, luxury in clicking may cost hard, then.
There you are, staring at me again.
I've been using Nero for years now and trying to burn anything with more than a few hundred files will bring it to it's knees. (Most other tasks work great for me, personally)
This is a known issue and no matter how much you like Nero despite its faults will not fix those faults.
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All right joker here's the deal: This caters to MY needs. So strike your comment about it's for noone. I already own Nero for Windows and now they have given me a free port of it to Linux. This is great news for me and their other paying customers. If you don't like that then guess what? You DO NOT HAVE TO USE IT!
Its new software that has been released for linux. New GOOD software that has been released. Quit yer bitching and praise nero for releasing it. Nuff said. You don't have to buy it, just be glad its out.
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I never understood "free-as-in-beer". Or more like I never remember what it means, wonder if many other people understand it. Just turns me off when people say things that make no sense.
Well that's brilliant. Tell that to the people who told me to use nrg->iso as a "solution".
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
Dude, I appreciate the offer. I have no delusions over the longevity of this product or the number of distributions it will work with (three, and not the ones I was looking at). I was just saying it was cool that I might get a little more milage from a purchase.
> Huh? I'm just a third party replying to the "MD5 of your IP" guy just for the hell of it.
How exactly?
Read at -1 once in a while. The post I replied to is omitted otherwise.
But why I did it is another story. I replied on the premise that checking the MD5 of an IP address was a technically inept thing to say you were doing. Then I remembered later on that Slashdot will give you the MD5 sum of your IP if you get banned and need to securely send IP info to admins.
Still a dumb thing to say, considering even the MD5 isn't viewable to general viewers.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
Nice example of just how terrible it looks:
http://img122.exs.cx/img122/7323/nero15jg.png
Not much can be done with it, missing the "click here to backup your dvd movie" button.
Also takes about 8-10 seconds between quit and the program is shutting down message to disappear.
Yeah, reminiscent of MS Outlook's exit window.
Oh well, at least Nero doesn't keep you from logging out when it's open.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
Have you thought that Nero are reacting to WinXP having a free burner? The writing is on the wall for these companies. You build a good product for windoze and it becomes the 'defacto' standard, Bill just uses the best bits and if you dont sell you die. Just MS doing it's thing. Nero must be thinking Linux offers a better market, but it's a different market to the windows one. Cheers Bb
It Seems I've developed an aversion to proprietary software
Why do you have to find it? If it exist, it should be enabled by default - and it shouldn't be an option, it should "just work" from start.
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Understood. Thought from the post that there was some /. secret. Thread got confusing when reading at 0 threshold. Thanks for replying. :-)
The troll tone of the previous aside... this comment is actually pretty-much dead-on.
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Otherwise, the Aplus cert has some Linux troubleshooting now, and can (at least) be applied to more aspects of what you're doing (one of the few certs that I don't feel is a waste of time).
I am an IT director and a Linux user (currently Fedora Core 3 and RedHat Enterprise Linux 4).
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What about if that user had a quite a few highly modded posts, but one fatal *mistake* caused his or her karma to plummet unceasingly? For example, this account that I'm posting on is somewhat of a clone account, because on my original account, after many "+5 Funny" or "+5 Insightful" or "+X Whatever" mods; I posted something that offended somebody or something like that, and now I get a -1 on EVERY GODDAMN THING I post, regardless of whether I am funny, troll, on topic, off, or whatever! Who is to blame for that load of horseshit? I can't get get a better karma score because I have a "terrible" rating; and I have a "Terrible" rating because I can't get a better score. It's a catch 22 cycle that I CANNOT get out of!
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