>Debian's about as close as it gets to ports, and >it's smarter about downloading dependencies >simultaneously.
FYI, there is a ports system for Linux. See the Gentoo distribution at http://www.gentoo.org.
Gotta have the source... else why are we always going on about how open and free it is? The debian source packages are a nice idea, but every system should have the source installed by default.
Truly, there is no mainstream; it's an abstract notion into which very little fits. It's mainly used for contrast against which things can be marketed in the context of hip.
This isn't just a computer and music thing; people who are thinking critically will find it anywhere people are pushing their latest --ism.
We used this method when I was contracting at Deja.com, and several times we delivered much sooner than expected, and the expectations were typical.
One problem is that XP calls for pair programming, and a lot of teams are really too small to always have a pair. In those cases, you deal; write a small chunk of code, test and commit quickly, and try to have a partner on the next cycle.
XP isn't rigid; you have to tweak it to your needs. If you find yourself objecting to it on the basis of areas where it doesn't fit, try the bits that do fit and see what it buys you.
Why is everyone so interested in "why"?
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It seems like anything anyone does these days that doesn't serve a useful purpose gets this bewildered response. I don't understand what could prompt that kind of thought. I think it is the same sort of people that run Gnome because they think Athena is "ugly" (what's ugly about it? boxes and text... how ugly can that actually be?).
I am not saying I think this whole "why" thing is necessarily bad. I just don't get it. It sounds fun to get gcc working on a pdp. It's like Doom on a digital camera; it's funny, it's art; it's a good time.
More, better, faster, that's cool; I like that stuff too. Still, part of me wants to write a tcp stack for my trs-80 model 100.
Is that really so wrong? Besides, it will harm many fewer people than adding skin support to every program on the desktop.
Just badly worded. Questions like this often ferret out software authors that have been working on something, but were too shy to release until such a demand came along. Also, sometimes along the way people email one another within the discussion in order to collaborate and make such a piece of software possible.
Best to interpret the question as "I can't believe that this is all of the language software that exists for un*x! Anyone out there working on something?"
You just wait and see.
And it will start out really nice, then it will start getting ports back from 2000, and the dependencies on MS libraries will increase. Games too; Microsoft knows programmers love 'em.
These libraries and games will run on Linux too, of course, but will be in binary form. Once they become ubiquitous, they will slow down the updates to the 'free' versions.
Those of us who run 100% free software needn't worry too much. The rest of us... well, you loaded the gun that shot you.
The fewer of these sorts of companies that show up in my search engine, the better. I would love it
if my browser knew about all of sites run by clueless, greedy vultures and cowardly villains, so it could just refuse to show me any links to them, but failing that, this level of insurance that I will never encounter them is a great first step. In addition, I'd like sites that pay to link to other sites to charge for links to them also.
I imagine with this sort of thinking, the remaining portion of the WWW will be a pleasure to use.
Or drop out and get a job...
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I know you didn't ask, but cs/cis/no degree people
can all make the same amount depending on who is
doing the hiring. The up side is you can start
making money right now, and if you keep at it
your resume will speak for itself. Some people
place work experience above degrees.
The downside isn't so much of a downside. Just
like in school, you need to discipline yourself
to keep learning your art.
Getting a computer job these days without a degree
isn't particularly difficult. Depending on your
luck you might have to do some time in a floundering dotcom for peanuts, but the next job
will be better; your resume will have more buzzwords.
You can always get certified on the way, too, and
that way you can focus yourself very precisely on
the sorts of things you want to do.
Of course, this path isn't good for all things. There are some jobs that really do require a degree, but since you are considering CIS, and
talking money, it doesn't sound like those are
the sorts of positions you are looking at.
I should further qualify my remarks by saying I
am an American, and this approach may not work as
well elsewhere. In any American tech center though, I think you will find this approach to
be valid, however.
Why is putting words between angle brackets
revolutionary? Did we want a way to represent
hierarchical information in a way that it
could be easily manipulated and checked for
validity?
Maybe I am wrong, but couldn't you do that with
LISP? Just send your data across in lists and
let a tiny lisp interpreter figure out what to
do with it.
And HTTP? This is our lightning fast protocol
for object communication? Next thing you know
we'll be drawing to our screens with.PDF.
Maybe now instead of typing out that horrible cp
command, I can pick up a bundle of files, and waste 3 hours walking to my destination, asking
directions along the way, and drop my files in
a messy heap when I get there. A real timesaver!
I think it would be cool, if in this environment, you could wait by your mailbox like Wile E. Coyote
until someone replied to your emails. Spam, of course, could find you anywhere, and would be a giant anvil dropped on your head.
Try to find an old tandy model 102. Those will
run 20 hours on 4 aa batteries, and have a text
editor, an address book, built in 300 baud modem,
telecom program, and you can get a snazzy 8085
assembler for it, all in a form factor that puts
most laptops to shame.
Now, I know nothing about this stuff, but I believe that systems like AIX do things like assign process id's in an unguessable sequence, really trivial things like this that I don't think linux hackers would even guess needed doing.
Of course, if the military just asked for what
it wanted....
Why do all of these companies feel that it is acceptable to lie? Wouldn't "no comment" be more appropriate? Even seeing "get lost" when a reporter asked those questions would be better than a lie.
Re:crowley-it-rhymes-with-holy dept.
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You don't. It comes from Rabelais. But he wasn't using it the way that Crowley was.
Maybe in 1950 it sounded impressive to "publish" a "paper", important because you spent some years at a place called "Yale", but it just looks like an opinion to me.
I distribute all of the files for my personal musical project on a website. I am certain I am going to lose traffic now that I have changed to a format no one can play, but it is the same story as open source... you have to take a hit at first, or no one will come around.
It's the right thing to do, I think. I hope other musicians will do the same.
Of course, not so irrelevant that a shoddy whiney memo doesn't get downloaded by half the developer community (including me.)
What the article doesn't tell me: why is academic research important? Indeed, why go on about academic research when the only example you can site of good research is the largest commercial entity in the US?
C, The X Window System (not X Windows, gah), Unix, these are things that work. Why not focus on making working things work better, instead of coming up with something novel just because?
I am beginning to suspect Mr. Pike is out of touch with technology as it stands today. I am not certain why he is so upset about these research matters, but I don't suppose it is in part because he himself hasn't been doing anything anyone wants to use in recent years.
Right now, we happen to be enjoying a tech shortage; there is a lot of work to be done, and it needs to be done today. Most companies don't have the luxury that Lucent and Microsoft have in funding a pure R&D project. These companies do innovate, but the innovations are examples of quick thinking, buried in code to be reflected upon later.
Rob Pike trolling. I never thought I'd see the day.
Since I started running things like Linux and FreeBSD, in the height of the PC/Mac wars, suddenly I was no longer taking sides.
Indeed, I don't care anymore what my hardware is. Even a 486 or a Sparcstation 1 is something I can use. Macs and PC's look pretty much the same to me unless I want to add some hardware to them, which I am comfortable with either way.
This is a really positive thing. Once the software runs on everything, the hardware will come to the aid of the software and I think things might become a bit more uniform.
Well, that's just wishful thinking. We aren't nearly as much a slave to the hardware manufacturers anymore, though, are we. "No, that costs too much for what it's worth. I will jump to architecture X instead. No skin off my nose."
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Oh man... I missed that one. Ah well, t'was not wasted. Good answers when you asked also. --Gabriel
>Debian's about as close as it gets to ports, and >it's smarter about downloading dependencies >simultaneously.
FYI, there is a ports system for Linux. See the Gentoo distribution at http://www.gentoo.org.
Gotta have the source... else why are we always going on about how open and free it is? The debian source packages are a nice idea, but every system should have the source installed by default.
Truly, there is no mainstream; it's an abstract notion into which very little fits. It's mainly used for contrast against which things can be marketed in the context of hip.
This isn't just a computer and music thing; people who are thinking critically will find it anywhere people are pushing their latest --ism.
We used this method when I was contracting at Deja.com, and several times we delivered much sooner than expected, and the expectations were typical.
One problem is that XP calls for pair programming, and a lot of teams are really too small to always have a pair. In those cases, you deal; write a small chunk of code, test and commit quickly, and try to have a partner on the next cycle.
XP isn't rigid; you have to tweak it to your needs. If you find yourself objecting to it on the basis of areas where it doesn't fit, try the bits that do fit and see what it buys you.
It seems like anything anyone does these days that doesn't serve a useful purpose gets this bewildered response. I don't understand what could prompt that kind of thought. I think it is the same sort of people that run Gnome because they think Athena is "ugly" (what's ugly about it? boxes and text... how ugly can that actually be?).
I am not saying I think this whole "why" thing is necessarily bad. I just don't get it. It sounds fun to get gcc working on a pdp. It's like Doom on a digital camera; it's funny, it's art; it's a good time.
More, better, faster, that's cool; I like that stuff too. Still, part of me wants to write a tcp stack for my trs-80 model 100.
Is that really so wrong? Besides, it will harm many fewer people than adding skin support to every program on the desktop.
Just badly worded. Questions like this often ferret out software authors that have been working on something, but were too shy to release until such a demand came along. Also, sometimes along the way people email one another within the discussion in order to collaborate and make such a piece of software possible.
Best to interpret the question as "I can't believe that this is all of the language software that exists for un*x! Anyone out there working on something?"
I gotta say, y'all complain too much.
You just wait and see.
And it will start out really nice, then it will start getting ports back from 2000, and the dependencies on MS libraries will increase. Games too; Microsoft knows programmers love 'em.
These libraries and games will run on Linux too, of course, but will be in binary form. Once they become ubiquitous, they will slow down the updates to the 'free' versions.
Those of us who run 100% free software needn't worry too much. The rest of us... well, you loaded the gun that shot you.
The fewer of these sorts of companies that show up in my search engine, the better. I would love it
if my browser knew about all of sites run by clueless, greedy vultures and cowardly villains, so it could just refuse to show me any links to them, but failing that, this level of insurance that I will never encounter them is a great first step. In addition, I'd like sites that pay to link to other sites to charge for links to them also.
I imagine with this sort of thinking, the remaining portion of the WWW will be a pleasure to use.
I know you didn't ask, but cs/cis/no degree people
can all make the same amount depending on who is
doing the hiring. The up side is you can start
making money right now, and if you keep at it
your resume will speak for itself. Some people
place work experience above degrees.
The downside isn't so much of a downside. Just
like in school, you need to discipline yourself
to keep learning your art.
Getting a computer job these days without a degree
isn't particularly difficult. Depending on your
luck you might have to do some time in a floundering dotcom for peanuts, but the next job
will be better; your resume will have more buzzwords.
You can always get certified on the way, too, and
that way you can focus yourself very precisely on
the sorts of things you want to do.
Of course, this path isn't good for all things. There are some jobs that really do require a degree, but since you are considering CIS, and
talking money, it doesn't sound like those are
the sorts of positions you are looking at.
I should further qualify my remarks by saying I
am an American, and this approach may not work as
well elsewhere. In any American tech center though, I think you will find this approach to
be valid, however.
Why is putting words between angle brackets
.PDF.
revolutionary? Did we want a way to represent
hierarchical information in a way that it
could be easily manipulated and checked for
validity?
Maybe I am wrong, but couldn't you do that with
LISP? Just send your data across in lists and
let a tiny lisp interpreter figure out what to
do with it.
And HTTP? This is our lightning fast protocol
for object communication? Next thing you know
we'll be drawing to our screens with
Oops.
Maybe now instead of typing out that horrible cp
command, I can pick up a bundle of files, and waste 3 hours walking to my destination, asking
directions along the way, and drop my files in
a messy heap when I get there. A real timesaver!
I think it would be cool, if in this environment, you could wait by your mailbox like Wile E. Coyote
until someone replied to your emails. Spam, of course, could find you anywhere, and would be a giant anvil dropped on your head.
Try to find an old tandy model 102. Those will
run 20 hours on 4 aa batteries, and have a text
editor, an address book, built in 300 baud modem,
telecom program, and you can get a snazzy 8085
assembler for it, all in a form factor that puts
most laptops to shame.
Now, I know nothing about this stuff, but I believe that systems like AIX do things like assign process id's in an unguessable sequence, really trivial things like this that I don't think linux hackers would even guess needed doing.
....
Of course, if the military just asked for what
it wanted
This Greenbaum is a regular Winston Churchill.
Why do all of these companies feel that it is
acceptable to lie? Wouldn't "no comment" be
more appropriate? Even seeing "get lost" when a
reporter asked those questions would be better
than a lie.
You don't. It comes from Rabelais. But he wasn't
using it the way that Crowley was.
Not that it matters much.
The X Consortium requests in their documentation
that it not be referred to as "X Windows".
Acceptable alternatives:
X
X Window System
X Version 11
X Window System, Version 11
X11
Maybe in 1950 it sounded impressive to "publish" a
"paper", important because you spent some years at
a place called "Yale", but it just looks like an
opinion to me.
Just like this one.
Yes, and all of the C compilers out there will
certainly be upgraded to meet the standard.
I have run this thing on a bunch of computers,
some of them pretty fast, and the fuzzy select
tool is so amazingly slow it is unusable.
Any work being done to address this?
I distribute all of the files for my personal musical project on a website. I am certain I am going to lose traffic now that I have changed to a format no one can play, but it is the same story as open source... you have to take a hit at first, or no one will come around.
It's the right thing to do, I think.
I hope other musicians will do the same.
http://www.fabco5.com
Typing to the rhythm of "shave and a haircut" or something will become the equivalent of "cypherpunks/cypherpunks"
What the article doesn't tell me: why is academic research important? Indeed, why go on about academic research when the only example you can site of good research is the largest commercial entity in the US?
C, The X Window System (not X Windows, gah), Unix, these are things that work. Why not focus on making working things work better, instead of coming up with something novel just because?
I am beginning to suspect Mr. Pike is out of touch with technology as it stands today. I am not certain why he is so upset about these research matters, but I don't suppose it is in part because he himself hasn't been doing anything anyone wants to use in recent years.
Right now, we happen to be enjoying a tech shortage; there is a lot of work to be done, and it needs to be done today. Most companies don't have the luxury that Lucent and Microsoft have in funding a pure R&D project. These companies do innovate, but the innovations are examples of quick thinking, buried in code to be reflected upon later.
Rob Pike trolling. I never thought I'd see the day.
--Gabriel
Because until today, I had nothing but praise
for Apogee... I loved Commander Keen.
Talk about a backfire.
Since I started running things like Linux and FreeBSD, in the height of the PC/Mac wars, suddenly I was no longer taking sides.
Indeed, I don't care anymore what my hardware is. Even a 486 or a Sparcstation 1 is something I can use. Macs and PC's look pretty much the same to me unless I want to add some hardware to them, which I am comfortable with either way.
This is a really positive thing. Once the software runs on everything, the hardware will come to the aid of the software and I think things might become a bit more uniform.
Well, that's just wishful thinking. We aren't nearly as much a slave to the hardware manufacturers anymore, though, are we. "No, that costs too much for what it's worth. I will jump to architecture X instead. No skin off my nose."
--Gabriel