I'd like to second this, We use Siebel where I work, to log support call's, and it is slow, painfully slow in area's where there is no reason to be slow, (The drop down menu's are a great example), though it's been happening less often, there was a period where the whole system would go down for an hour or two, usually once a month or so, and at one point it was basically every other weekend, I've also found it to be... crufty to use, I've used it for almost a year now, and there are still some things that are frustrating to do.
Heh, I'm Canadian too, and I Agree with you up until the last point, when the US feels they need it enough, I'm sure there will be no problem for the government to just start taking whatever they want, either through force, or by buying out the right people.
That would probably require some kind of central escrow service anyway's though, so why bother with a p2p net in the first place? are you going to trust some random guy on a p2p network to pay $500 for a piece of code you've written? even then there are difficulty's, what if you write a code patch, submit it for their review, and they say no dice, then use your code anyway's? centralization is important for this kind of service, to establish trust.
Agreed, Besides, there are a few important things to think about, first off, God could have easily created us and put signs of something like evolution, or anything else really, if we could prove that we had been created by a God, then faith is pretty meaningless, if we ran out of other theory's, then again, it would be meaningless, it makes perfect sense (to me anyways) for God to give us something to debate, I don't know why so many people get so upset about the whole deal, except for when someone is forcing a belief on them.
One way I heard something put, and made a lot of sense to me, was regarding the age of the earth, who's to say God did not speak a 2 million year old mountain into existance? Why could he not say, "Let there be a 20 million year old rock... there.", in the same why, Why not, "Let a creature evolve into a human THERE", and do it in instant?
Yeah, and that same crazy guy decided to give us different COLORS of eye's, and different colors of HAIR?! What a weirdo... he even gave us different opinions, obviously, some kind of intelligent designer, would have made a perfect being, then just made 6 billion identical copies, because that's more fun.
Riiiiight... That sounds a lot like an argument against evolution too? Almost every other creature on the planet 'Suffers' from everything you describe, and based on the theory of evolution, Why would this happen? in 20 million years, will humans no longer require sleep? Will we grow large protective shells? will we be precognitive? Why have we not gained these traits over the last 20 million years? IMHO We're put together in just such a way to support intelligent design, We are "Wonderfully and Fearfully made", God did not set out to design a perfect species.
Nah, All the fat people would bitch, and in the interest of being PC, we would make the door's bigger, Sure the Daleks would exterminate us all, but at least we would all be treated equally!
Agreed, I Worked in computer retail for a while, and I've been involved in retail and sales for a little while now, and it's sadly true, The only spec's most people look at regarding electronics especially, is price. and on occasion Ghz speed, Everyone I talk to want's a "P4", and they want it cheap. those are their only requirements, P4 and cheap, How about a celeron since all your doing is browsing the web? how about splurging on a graphics card and some RAM since you plan to be gaming? I think a large part of it is that many people do not know enough about electronics to understand why quality matters, If this RAM chip is 512 Mega-Bauds, and this one is also 512 Mega-Bauds, but this one is $30 cheaper, they'd be a fool to pay more right?
It's sad, but to be honest, the prices of computer systems have dropped rapidly, but the reason is that quality has also taken a dive, I've got computer's from 1990 something, and further back, that are built like tanks and you can kick them, drop them, etc. and they keep going, newer computer's have a life of about 3 years, after that, throw it out and buy a new one. because over the course of year 4 and 5 of ownership, you'll be replacing every component inside, and 3 year's later, you'll be doing it again.
I Agree with you, except for your example, Alienware is terribly overpriced, partially for their brand name, check out dell, gateway, whoever, and find a gaming machine from them, first thing you'll notice? Most of their "Gaming" Machines are underpowered, if you want a powerful gaming rig from a name brand, you pay through the nose, but if you build it yourself, you save a lot of cash
Kind of a bad analogy, It's more like going to a restaurant that play's really annoying music, and eating with earplugs in, it's rude, and a little out of place, but they should probably not kick you out for it.
Yeah, Where I work, (I'm not in IT sadly), they use Norton Ghost to install on the machines, and it uses some type of tcp multicast to minimize bandwidth usage, I watched them deploy a 1GB disk image on about 25 computers in something like 20 minutes.
You Sir, Are an A-Hole, You don't see this as rude, even childish? Ok, so $2 bills are legal currency, But your just messing with people, whom you know won't know what to do with them, then when the manager specifically asks you not to, because they know your just causing trouble, and you go ahead and continue on with them at the same store even anyway's, When they ask you AGAIN to stop, (And saying your not welcome was over the top, I'll admit that), you leave a complaint and get them in crap? Really, Are you one of those people who twists the wording in sales and promotions to mess with people? Do you take pride in confusing retail clerks? Ever worked retail? We hate you.
Assuming of course, that this ever becomes popular enough to have a large volume of information changing at any particular time, besides, it's MS, they can take a few years before releasing updates/changes.
I would like to present myself as one of these poor people affected by MBPF, I'm a computer tech, I fix computers, and other peoples computers behave wonderfully under my hands, but everytime for the last 5 years that I've tried to upgrade my computer, (And keep in mind, I'm only entering my second decade of this thing we call life), has caused some kind of failure, bad motherboards, harddrive failures, bad RAM, exploding video cards, and so on, I thank my lucky star's for the manufacturers warranty, and the longer the better:)
Didja read the post? I see you got the sublte parts, how about the part's where he points to THREE other options already having drop in gnome for slackware? the door's alway's been open...
I run kde on slackware. now you know someone, I've used blackbox, gnome and fluxbox too, but I prefer KDE. as for gnome, it's a shame, there are some good app's for it, (Anjuta, gnomemeeting) but as a desktop... I just don't like it, that's just me though, I'm not one for a minimalistic desktop, I have power to burn so I'll go for KDE with eye candy maxed out thank you very much:)
Care to expand on that with useful data? or just going to leave it as "Slackware sucks! they removed something I like!", what's nice about linux, is that you have the freedom to install it itself, and how does this make slackware less relevant? They include the more popular desktop, that seems pretty clear to me, and again, before anyone jumps on me, they are not stopping you from installing gnome, heck, in the changelog Pat points out several other places to get gnome for slackware, he just states that HE does not want to have to screw around with it, since he's the distro maintainer, it's his choice.
It's about damn time, it's been pretty clear to me that gnome is a mess, and I feel sorry for anyone trying to package it, It is probably one of the nicest fully free desktops available, but that seems to be all it has going for it, feature wise, app wise, and functionally, KDE has it beat everywhere. gnome needs a major cleanup, to just stop adding new stuff, and do a rewrite from scratch, it has some really solid idea's, but it's just crufty, and microsoft has pretty clearly demonstrated that building new and cool stuff on top of crufty old stuff hits a brick wall and causes serious problems.
What I'd like to see, rather than a fire and forget spyware program, is one that can actually REPAIR damage, something I've found is that if you've got a BAD spyware case, and you run spybot, adaware, or spysweeper, the whole thing blow's up in your face, problems with explorer.exe, TCP drivers blown to hell etc. etc. usually a chkdsk/r can repair most of the damage, but that is FAR beyond most spyware victems technical prowess, I've been working doing phone support recently, and have a lot of call's that start with, "I bought this $SpywareRemover, and ran it, and now I can't get online!"
Ok, as far as I understand it, http opens a connection, requests a page, then once data is received, it closes the connection, so you can load a page, and once it's loaded you disconnect from the webserver until you want to get another page, I have no idea what the guy suggesting stateful http is thinking, as I would think that would just drastically increase the load on http servers, as they would have to maintain thousands of open sockets at once, (Well.. thousands MORE)
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Isnt the second rule of thermodynamics, "There is no free launch?"
Did you by chance read past there? Where the blurb describes way's of making it run on IE properly?
I'd like to second this, We use Siebel where I work, to log support call's, and it is slow, painfully slow in area's where there is no reason to be slow, (The drop down menu's are a great example), though it's been happening less often, there was a period where the whole system would go down for an hour or two, usually once a month or so, and at one point it was basically every other weekend, I've also found it to be... crufty to use, I've used it for almost a year now, and there are still some things that are frustrating to do.
Heh, I'm Canadian too, and I Agree with you up until the last point, when the US feels they need it enough, I'm sure there will be no problem for the government to just start taking whatever they want, either through force, or by buying out the right people.
That would probably require some kind of central escrow service anyway's though, so why bother with a p2p net in the first place? are you going to trust some random guy on a p2p network to pay $500 for a piece of code you've written? even then there are difficulty's, what if you write a code patch, submit it for their review, and they say no dice, then use your code anyway's? centralization is important for this kind of service, to establish trust.
Agreed, Besides, there are a few important things to think about, first off, God could have easily created us and put signs of something like evolution, or anything else really, if we could prove that we had been created by a God, then faith is pretty meaningless, if we ran out of other theory's, then again, it would be meaningless, it makes perfect sense (to me anyways) for God to give us something to debate, I don't know why so many people get so upset about the whole deal, except for when someone is forcing a belief on them.
One way I heard something put, and made a lot of sense to me, was regarding the age of the earth, who's to say God did not speak a 2 million year old mountain into existance? Why could he not say, "Let there be a 20 million year old rock... there.", in the same why, Why not, "Let a creature evolve into a human THERE", and do it in instant?
Yeah, and that same crazy guy decided to give us different COLORS of eye's, and different colors of HAIR?! What a weirdo... he even gave us different opinions, obviously, some kind of intelligent designer, would have made a perfect being, then just made 6 billion identical copies, because that's more fun.
Riiiiight... That sounds a lot like an argument against evolution too? Almost every other creature on the planet 'Suffers' from everything you describe, and based on the theory of evolution, Why would this happen? in 20 million years, will humans no longer require sleep? Will we grow large protective shells? will we be precognitive? Why have we not gained these traits over the last 20 million years? IMHO We're put together in just such a way to support intelligent design, We are "Wonderfully and Fearfully made", God did not set out to design a perfect species.
If you read the groklaw comments, it appears SCO is not allowed near the code, they need to hire outside analysts to search through it.
Nah, All the fat people would bitch, and in the interest of being PC, we would make the door's bigger, Sure the Daleks would exterminate us all, but at least we would all be treated equally!
Agreed, I Worked in computer retail for a while, and I've been involved in retail and sales for a little while now, and it's sadly true, The only spec's most people look at regarding electronics especially, is price. and on occasion Ghz speed, Everyone I talk to want's a "P4", and they want it cheap. those are their only requirements, P4 and cheap, How about a celeron since all your doing is browsing the web? how about splurging on a graphics card and some RAM since you plan to be gaming? I think a large part of it is that many people do not know enough about electronics to understand why quality matters, If this RAM chip is 512 Mega-Bauds, and this one is also 512 Mega-Bauds, but this one is $30 cheaper, they'd be a fool to pay more right?
It's sad, but to be honest, the prices of computer systems have dropped rapidly, but the reason is that quality has also taken a dive, I've got computer's from 1990 something, and further back, that are built like tanks and you can kick them, drop them, etc. and they keep going, newer computer's have a life of about 3 years, after that, throw it out and buy a new one. because over the course of year 4 and 5 of ownership, you'll be replacing every component inside, and 3 year's later, you'll be doing it again.
I Agree with you, except for your example, Alienware is terribly overpriced, partially for their brand name, check out dell, gateway, whoever, and find a gaming machine from them, first thing you'll notice? Most of their "Gaming" Machines are underpowered, if you want a powerful gaming rig from a name brand, you pay through the nose, but if you build it yourself, you save a lot of cash
Kind of a bad analogy, It's more like going to a restaurant that play's really annoying music, and eating with earplugs in, it's rude, and a little out of place, but they should probably not kick you out for it.
Yeah, Where I work, (I'm not in IT sadly), they use Norton Ghost to install on the machines, and it uses some type of tcp multicast to minimize bandwidth usage, I watched them deploy a 1GB disk image on about 25 computers in something like 20 minutes.
Err, They do? but the release groups have gotten very good at stripping out those watermarks.
You Sir, Are an A-Hole, You don't see this as rude, even childish? Ok, so $2 bills are legal currency, But your just messing with people, whom you know won't know what to do with them, then when the manager specifically asks you not to, because they know your just causing trouble, and you go ahead and continue on with them at the same store even anyway's, When they ask you AGAIN to stop, (And saying your not welcome was over the top, I'll admit that), you leave a complaint and get them in crap? Really, Are you one of those people who twists the wording in sales and promotions to mess with people? Do you take pride in confusing retail clerks? Ever worked retail? We hate you.
Assuming of course, that this ever becomes popular enough to have a large volume of information changing at any particular time, besides, it's MS, they can take a few years before releasing updates/changes.
I would like to present myself as one of these poor people affected by MBPF, I'm a computer tech, I fix computers, and other peoples computers behave wonderfully under my hands, but everytime for the last 5 years that I've tried to upgrade my computer, (And keep in mind, I'm only entering my second decade of this thing we call life), has caused some kind of failure, bad motherboards, harddrive failures, bad RAM, exploding video cards, and so on, I thank my lucky star's for the manufacturers warranty, and the longer the better :)
Didja read the post? I see you got the sublte parts, how about the part's where he points to THREE other options already having drop in gnome for slackware? the door's alway's been open...
I run kde on slackware. now you know someone, I've used blackbox, gnome and fluxbox too, but I prefer KDE. as for gnome, it's a shame, there are some good app's for it, (Anjuta, gnomemeeting) but as a desktop... I just don't like it, that's just me though, I'm not one for a minimalistic desktop, I have power to burn so I'll go for KDE with eye candy maxed out thank you very much :)
Care to expand on that with useful data? or just going to leave it as "Slackware sucks! they removed something I like!", what's nice about linux, is that you have the freedom to install it itself, and how does this make slackware less relevant? They include the more popular desktop, that seems pretty clear to me, and again, before anyone jumps on me, they are not stopping you from installing gnome, heck, in the changelog Pat points out several other places to get gnome for slackware, he just states that HE does not want to have to screw around with it, since he's the distro maintainer, it's his choice.
And that my friend, is the joy of Open Source. no one is forced to agree with my opinions.
It's about damn time, it's been pretty clear to me that gnome is a mess, and I feel sorry for anyone trying to package it, It is probably one of the nicest fully free desktops available, but that seems to be all it has going for it, feature wise, app wise, and functionally, KDE has it beat everywhere. gnome needs a major cleanup, to just stop adding new stuff, and do a rewrite from scratch, it has some really solid idea's, but it's just crufty, and microsoft has pretty clearly demonstrated that building new and cool stuff on top of crufty old stuff hits a brick wall and causes serious problems.
What I'd like to see, rather than a fire and forget spyware program, is one that can actually REPAIR damage, something I've found is that if you've got a BAD spyware case, and you run spybot, adaware, or spysweeper, the whole thing blow's up in your face, problems with explorer.exe, TCP drivers blown to hell etc. etc. usually a chkdsk /r can repair most of the damage, but that is FAR beyond most spyware victems technical prowess, I've been working doing phone support recently, and have a lot of call's that start with, "I bought this $SpywareRemover, and ran it, and now I can't get online!"
Ok, as far as I understand it, http opens a connection, requests a page, then once data is received, it closes the connection, so you can load a page, and once it's loaded you disconnect from the webserver until you want to get another page, I have no idea what the guy suggesting stateful http is thinking, as I would think that would just drastically increase the load on http servers, as they would have to maintain thousands of open sockets at once, (Well.. thousands MORE)