Powell throws a knock out punch in the first round
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(Does anyone else see the irony of a project headed by a guy who's in it for the money, backed by companies who are in it for the money, getting the official Glorious October Revolution seal of approval, while a volunteer effort driven by sheer love of the project does not? Yes, there are people from distributions who work on KDE, but they have not set up little companies for themselves to capitalize on it.)
This says it all. Miguel de Icaza seems to now have a vested interest in Gnome. Now IBM, SUN, HP and others are lining up behind gnome and most likely HELIX. What is wrong with this picture? And why in the hell do we need Large corporations as members of a "foundation" deciding the path Gnome is to take? I remember when Gnome was first started. People were protesting KDE's QT license and decided to start their own project which is their right. Now De Icaza has his own company (and trying Helix isnt any more stable or usable then the stable release of Gnome is. If only it didnt crash) and quite frankly I view this as a major conflict of interest. At least KDE is not plauged with this threat, and thus is a more 'FREE' environment in my opinion.
I'm sick of both Gnome and KDE and will continue to use WindowMaker. For example I have been working with the lastest KDE 2.x pre releases and the development versions of Kmail. Well the new version of Kmail wont run under anything but KDE as it needs DCOP. So I try Gnome's Evolution and it wont run under anything but Gnome as it needs Bonobo and a few other things. So piss on both Gnome and KDE. They both are anti-Linux as far as Im concerned with their childish bickering and flammage to each other. If I *HAD* to choose though it would be KDE 2.x mainly because its way more mature. That still doesnt make me happy about the direction both camps are going. We the end users end up the losers. You would think these people would consult with each other and make both environments compatable with each other instead of this immature stupidity and finger pointing. Users should protest this behavour by refusing to run both Gnome and KDE. Oh but now they are headed in the direction of forcing you to run their enviornment in order to use their apps. If that isnt anti-Linux I dont know what is.
You incorrectly assume the majority of us in the Linux community would ever want overpriced, unreliable,bloated,closed sourced crapware applications from Microsoft on our platform. I can assure you, we do not.
VA and Andover going down. Let's see Andover stockholders will get.425 shares of VA stock..425 of shit is shit. This mini revolution is over. Stand back in line behind real software companies that actually charge money for their products.
I'm happy that everyone in the world is not as clueless as you are. The truth of the matter is the Entire NASDEQ is Down. Not just Linux Stocks. But then when you're a troll the truth doesnt matter, only the hype.
when they were afraid that OS/2 was going to kill them. They would give detailed instructions on how to delete warp. Nothing has changed. It's the usual thieves, liars and thugs up to their usual tricks.
As far as I'm concerned/. does far more harm to the open source and the Linux community with premature nonsense articles like this than anything else. Yet another blindly posted article that was not investigated to any degree whatso ever. This is good flamebate against Open Source and basically shows the acute immaturity in the Linux Community. You people who run/. have an obligation to the community to report things that are correct, complete and fair instead of acting like a bunch of immature kiddies who post garbage like this. Any RESPONSIBLE person would have contacted Bruce for a clarification of the issues. Instead you post this crap and create waves within the community. It should have stayed on the mailing list where it orginated.
Ever notice how you never see the same users year after year but users seem to move in and out of Linux as they're challenged by different problems. At any given time I'd say 120,000 is an accurate count not of nstallations and back room routers but of the people actually using it.
I'd say that was simply wishful thinking coming from a Microsoft Troll
Personally, I will not buy any product that does not come with complete source code that gcc can compile and link. I suppose it's ok to not have the source code to a program provided the product itself does not cost anything (such as Netscape). Using truely FREE software has spoiled me. I usually take it for granted when I download that latests and greatest Linux or BSD program that it will come with the source and when it doesn't I find it very irritating and usually end up deleting the entire package unless it is an exceptionally good program. But from my experience of late, all the really good programs are open sourced.
With that said, I really do not see how Opera will ever be able to have an exceptional product simply because they keep the source code closed. I think it is a shame too. Not only would it be a wonderful program but it's development cycle would be much shorter provided there were enough open sourced programmers interested in it.
As far as I'm concerned Microsoft can keep their bloated, unreliable source code. If they somehow think the open source community will embrace their code I think they are sadly mistaken IMO. At anyrate, who really wants to work with MS buggy code when we have Linux. I can see MS open sourcing some crappy code just to take away developers from Linux or Free BSD etc. Yeah right, when pigs have wings and fly.
Eric, Have you ever had to resort to using your martial arts skills in order to protect yourself? If so, what was the situation? Also are you still active in martial arts?
As far as I'm concerned I'd rather see Bill Gates and the rest of his Microsoft Gestapo put behind bars where criminals like them belong. However, unfortunately there is no possibility of this happening as this is not a criminal case. I remain convinced that Microsoft and the people who run microsoft are indeed thieves, liars and back stabbers. Apparently being a thief, liar and a back stabber in the US is legal.
Microsoft has a bigger fear from being found guilty than a potential forced breakup of their 4th Reich. Indeed, a guilty verdict would open the door for many companies and individuals to sue them in civil court because of damages due to the monopoly. Really, it's not a breakup they are worried about, its all the legal problems they will have to deal with after the fact.
And I think they deserve every bit of it too. Microsoft officials have lied,threatened,bullied and stole their way to the top. As far as I'm concerned (though it won't happen) if Microsoft were to dissappear off the face of the earth tomorrow, the entire industry would be far better off. Really, all Judge Jackson needs to do to determine MS monopoly is to simply use Windows for even a small period of time. It's such a bloated unreliable piece of trash that it would amaze anyone with even the intelligence of a pissant, that 95 percent of all PC's in the world run it. And if that isnt proof of a monopoly, I don't know what is.
Microsoft: You reap what you sow. With all the illegal criminal actions you have committed in the industry and have got away with for so long, It's pay back time.
You can flame me all you want. But it is outright wrong for criminals to hide behind white shirts and ties and say what they are doing is ok becaue it's the capitolist way.
High tech jobs are a dime a dozen. With that said, I would simply *NOT* work for asshole companies that have nothing to do but hire a bunch of Nazi Gestapo megalomanic dipshits snooping around at what I'm doing. Companies that must resort to this type of micro management have serious problems anyway. The very existance of such software on your workstation at the office should be setting off alarms and redflags in your head.
In the end, its just easier to flip the bird to idiot companies who do this. There are many good companies who have TRUST in their employees by default. Not though constant threat of monitoring what you are doing on your workstation. It's absolutely incredible that anyone would seriously consider working for Gestapo companies like this. But like I said, high tech jobs are a dime a dozen, so finding a new employer usually involves just a few phone calls. Your mileage may vary.
I just can't agree with you. This kind of outside contribution is purely counterproductive at this point in the project. What the Mozilla team *should* have done was put all their effort into getting a bare bones browser beta release out as soon as possible - no mail, no news, no IRC, etc. What a cruel joke this project has become. It's been a year and a half and the GUI code (menus, dialogs, etc.) is still so buggy that nobody can use it. But we do have a full set of bloatware plug-in modules written. Talk about misguided effort!
I think you (and others) have a hell of a lot of nerve complaining about Mozilla not being released considering the loudest complainers are the ones who have NOT contributed a single line of code or anything else to the Mozilla project. With that said you don't have any right to bitch at all about features in Mozilla, the lack there-of or anything else about Mozilla. Maybe if you shut up and started writing some code and submit it to the Mozilla team it may be released sooner.
Secondly, DEAD WRONG. IBM has about fifty times as much invested in Monterey than Linux. I'm not going to cite my sources, but that's fact. They're banking a HELL of a lot more heavily on Monterey than they ever will on Linux. Reason being that they stand to make more off Monterey, since it's basically AIX with iBCS only it's for PowerPCs. It runs Linux bins. So it's got one hell of a leg up on Linux with better corporate acceptance and wider support. ESR really needs to check his facts before he goes spouting off.
If you cant give references to your claims then the only one around here spouting off is you. "I'm not going to cite my sources" indeed. You wont cite them because you have none, otherwise you would have.
Anyway, RMS's writings had almost convinced me to switch to Linux. Bruce Perens has done a good job as well. Unfortunately, the rest of the Linux community, along with ESR, has done the opposite. That, and the fact that I REALLY dislike X, is going to keep me in Windows, at least until I get some spare time to install FreeBSD.
You are a clueless numbskull. The Linux community doesnt want you anyway. Welcome to Linux. Only users with a clue need apply.
Man, you know nothing about solaris. Whenever anybody equates the addon tools and window manger provided with the OS, they know shit about the OS. GNU and its whole package was around way before there was a Linux. It is up to you what you want to run. Some people run the gnu version, some runs the xpg4 version for for IEEE cross platform compatablity.
Get a clue. I was referring to the stone aged tools that SUN so conviently ships with Solaris, more specifically the lack thereof. Oh unless you consider their bloated java as anything useful beyond chewing up a hell of a lot of ram.
Go read the internal architecture of solaris and Linux, learn about single system image, doors, dynamic domain, alternate pathing, dynamic reconfig, board drain, turnstile, kthread, paging algorithm implementation, scalabilty ot 64CPU w/no kernel mutex contention and stop yapping about the window manager and how you could get "ls" in color. You are just 1 step away removerd from a 'doze user.
Considering the fact our company has spent well over 55k for this E450, and considering the fact the fucking thing has yet to run a full week without crashing, and condidering the fact that SUN and or its service representatives cannot seem to identify and fix the problems, and considering the fact that SUN has replaced this E450 not once but 2 times, I think that is good enough indication to me that Solaris is just a stone aged piece of shit. Interesting our Linux boxen *NEVER* ever crash period running the same Oracle Software, yet the E450 has been nothing but trouble. I'll let you draw your own conclusions: HINT: If SUN Engineers cannot fix it then it doesnt seem likely anyone else can.
top yapping about the window manager and how you could get "ls" in color. You are just 1 step away removerd from a 'doze user.
Oh I was being nice. You've got the real scoop now. Obviously you are a Troll. What else could it be? In terms of being 1 step away from a doze user, I wager the 25+ years of HW/SW experience under my belt would show you to be more clueless than even a MAC user. Get a life. See thats the whole problem with SUN. Their own people take the same stone aged attitude you have shown here. Little wonder SUN is in deep shit up to it's shoulders. I'll place my bets with Linux. At least Linux developers do not seem to have their heads shoved into the sand or their bungholes either for that matter.
Because Linux competes with Solaris, most people seem to think that there is a high chance that Sun will drop the Linux port of StarOffice. But, that's not the only interpretation on the cards.
If SUN had any sense at all they would drop their S-L-O-W-A-R-I-S and adopt Linux. Sun makes decent hardware, but their OS offerings are just terrible. After using Linux and then being exposed to Solaris 2.6 on the Ultra E450, I can honestly say that Solaris is stone aged stuff compaired to Linux. Sure Linux has some missing pieces like a Journaling file system and Linux doesnt scale as well as Solaris, but ultimately this will change.
It's inexcusable that SUN ships Solaris with the stone aged tools provided with it. Working in the the a CLI on a sparc box is ten times less productive than doing the exact same thing on a Linux box. You'd think Sun would get their heads out of their asses and clean up Solaris and update it to something closer to the year 2000 instead of the early 80's. I had to spend at least a week downloading GPL'd software and compiling it with gcc under Solaris just to get the damn thing even marginally functional. So yeah, SUN has every reason in the world to shit in their pants over Linux. It's kicking everyone in the seat of the pants. SUN would better serve themselves by just getting out of the software business completely and sell hardware. Embrace Linux on all SUN hardware and be done with it. So I have no idea just what SUN has in mind by purchasing Star Division. It puts them in a unique position in the software world, but I doubt they will even take advantage of it. It's clear to me after using Solaris the past 3 months that SUN has fallen asleep. A pity we have to spend 55k for SUN hardware and have it ship with such amatuerish crap like Java and CDE. Come on SUN. Get with the program.
I know the subject sounds somewhat caustic, but I cannot help feel there is some truth to it. We have a *LOT* of distributions, and all this choice comes at a big price: compability amongst distributions. Sure most apps will run on all the distributions. Netscape is a good example of this. But Netscape on some distributions seems to be more problematic than on others. I wonder why?
When is the Linux community get it's head out of its arse and agree on a standardization that will guarantee compatability amongst the different distirbutions? Is this the towering ego problem in that noone can agree? From my point of view, we damn well better start agreeing on *SOMETHING* pretty soon beyond the 'Agreeing that nobody agrees syndrom' we are currently caught in.
All this stupidity about my disrtribution is better than your distribution, blah blah blah ad nasuaem is just outright harmful to the whole community. Everyone agreeing on a common way to do things only makes sense. All your config files go here. You minimum version of libraries is this, your revision of gcc is this, and so on. Until the powers that be in the Linux community can agree on a standard, you will continue to see companies only supporting the distro with the most common demoninator which is currently Redhat. Don't bitch at Redhat about it. Instead become involved. Email the companies or individuals who release your favorite distribution and DEMAND they take their collective heads out of their butts and agree upon a standard that will do away with this problem once and for all. Simply crying foul to the vendors of your fav distro and or software package will not accomplish a damn thing.
I don't believe that Redhat is out to sabatoge Linux or to become some big monopoly like Microsoft. This company has lived in the shadow of a Monopoly since its inception, They understand the Linux community being vocal like it is will not condone any type of behavor like this. So in the end, I think the community as a collective whole should voice its concerns to ALL the distributions and absolutely demand these people agree on a common standard. Once this happens, I believe we will see announcements that simply say for LINUX. Besides,a common standard will level the playing field amongst the different distributions. And thats something I think will allow us all to sleep easier at night.
The 20 seconds delay on a 486SX caused by imlib poor coding is a 4 second delay on a pentium 166 which for 10 gnome apps starting is a lot of CPU time.
It's a memory/cpu pig period. Having looked at at the code, I conclude it should be completely rewritten from scratch again to be of any use at all. See, thats the problem today. Programmers don't seem to care how bloated or inefficient their code is. They assume you should be running a really fast CPU with lots and lots of memory. This is the very reason that Windows is the bloated sugar-coated crap it is. So yeah. Code SHOULD be written to work very well on systems with small cpu's and memory. Anything short of doing this is not the most responsible thing to do.
Finally, I'm apalled at the lack of respect a lot of these immature idiots on/. show you Alan. With the majority of them nothing but muchers and leeches, they've never contributed a single line of code to the 'cause', they hide behind their disgusting Anonymous Coward handles attempting to hurl insults towards someone whose intellect is lightyears beyond their own. But then I know you find these individuals somewhat amusing, but still it gets old very quickly.
And christ, man, take some english classes, your spelling is still as horrible as ever;)
Interesting you would attempt to correct the spelling of one of Linux's most legendary hackers who has most likely forgotten more information since yesterday than you have acquired during you entire lifetime. ROFLAMO.
The truth of the matter is Java under OS/2 is the fastest of them all. Java under Linux works, but isnt much to write home about:(. Of course this will change.
Too many of us in the Linux community are in self denial mode and therefore out of touch with reality. The reality is Samba, Apache and the Linux kernel still need work. Please don't believe this crap about biased benchmarks (although I agree the Mindcraft methods were very questionable), or faulty tuning. This is the second benchmark I've seen with Linux consistantly comming in last place when using Enterprise level benchmarks. There are many areas in Linux that are and will be improved upon. Instead of crying 'foul' we should instead seek to learn from these benchmarks and improve our code.
From what I've read these past few months, Threads under Linux seem to be somewhat problematic, else the Apache team would be using them. This is another area that will be improved upon in the upcomming months. Instead of sticking our heads in the sand,lets identify what needs work and improve upon it. This is Linux's strength. 3 months from now we can run the benchmarks again and see a drastic improvement, else we can just keep on coding until we get it right. Really it's not a question of 'if' but one of 'when'. We are in control of our own fate, as we have the source:).
The Mindquest retest is a trap. They are using hardware that was designed for NT and nothing else. A reasonable solution is to let a company like VA Research loan 2 boxes known to work well with both Linux and NT. Do the tests on those. Agreeing to do the retest with their current hardware is the trap they have set for Linux. Don't been pulled into this trap. Should the numbers show that NT out performs Linux on the hardware provided by VA, then so be it. At least we will know it was not a hardware issue, or that the test was rigged in some way. I don't trust any company having dealings with Microsoft. Mindcraft is just dangling the cheese in front of the trap door. If Mindcraft will not let us spec which hardware to use with Linux then we should just Ignore this whole retest issue.
Show me any benchmark reports made by an independent lab such as Mindcraft that has been sponsored by Microsoft, that showed any Microsoft product in a bad light. For that matter show me any benchmark report sponsored by a company whose product was in the evaulation, AND was shown to underperform the competitive product.
The bottom line is, sponsored benchmarks cannot be reliable. The company sponsoring them has to pay for a negative review of their product? Hey, Lets release this to the press, it shows our product underperforming our competitors, but at least the world can see how honest we are.
And can you fully trust benchmarks from a publication? Think about it. If company A spends millions of $$$ with publisher B in advertisements, would publisher B really want to take the chance on having those $$$ yanked because they were perfectly honest? I dont think so. Why bite the hand that feeds you? The benchmark goes to the company who pays the most $$$ that quarter.
So whose benchmarks can you trust? Labs will not benchmark something just for the fun of it. It cost money and time to do these things correctly. Money has to change hands somewhere, else why would they even bother? Unless there is a completely independent non for profit lab who can do it, still they must receive their funding from somewhere.
So the end result is, I don't trust any benchmarks I see period. There are simply too many variables in the equation that can tilt the benchmark in favor of the other. The biggest variable is the exchange of good old cold hard cash. With enough of it you can find a lab that will say old cpm86 running on an XT machine is 10 times faster than a 4 processor NT box, and make the benchmark look for real.
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Powell throws a knock out punch in the first round by: (Does anyone else see the irony of a project headed by a guy who's in it for the money, backed by companies who are in it for the money, getting the official Glorious October Revolution seal of approval, while a volunteer effort driven by sheer love of the project does not? Yes, there are people from distributions who work on KDE, but they have not set up little companies for themselves to capitalize on it.)
This says it all. Miguel de Icaza seems to now have a vested interest in Gnome. Now IBM, SUN, HP and others are lining up behind gnome and most likely HELIX. What is wrong with this picture? And why in the hell do we need Large corporations as members of a "foundation" deciding the path Gnome is to take? I remember when Gnome was first started. People were protesting KDE's QT license and decided to start their own project which is their right. Now De Icaza has his own company (and trying Helix isnt any more stable or usable then the stable release of Gnome is. If only it didnt crash) and quite frankly I view this as a major conflict of interest. At least KDE is not plauged with this threat, and thus is a more 'FREE' environment in my opinion.
I'm sick of both Gnome and KDE and will continue to use WindowMaker. For example I have been working with the lastest KDE 2.x pre releases and the development versions of Kmail. Well the new version of Kmail wont run under anything but KDE as it needs DCOP. So I try Gnome's Evolution and it wont run under anything but Gnome as it needs Bonobo and a few other things. So piss on both Gnome and KDE. They both are anti-Linux as far as Im concerned with their childish bickering and flammage to each other. If I *HAD* to choose though it would be KDE 2.x mainly because its way more mature. That still doesnt make me happy about the direction both camps are going. We the end users end up the losers. You would think these people would consult with each other and make both environments compatable with each other instead of this immature stupidity and finger pointing. Users should protest this behavour by refusing to run both Gnome and KDE. Oh but now they are headed in the direction of forcing you to run their enviornment in order to use their apps. If that isnt anti-Linux I dont know what is.
You incorrectly assume the majority of us in the Linux community would ever want overpriced, unreliable,bloated,closed sourced crapware applications from Microsoft on our platform. I can assure you, we do not.
I care that when you copy and distribute his mp3s, you are breaking the law and you are stealing his art.
You call Dr. DRE's music art? Heh. Dr. Dre you're an artist? Paint my house bitch!
We should try to make Linux and opensource look better instead of try to make its competitors worse. I'm getting sick of all the Microsoft crap on /.
/. can do.
Microsoft does a good enough job on its own making itself look bad than anything a user on
VA and Andover going down. Let's see Andover stockholders will get .425 shares of VA stock. .425 of shit is shit. This mini revolution is over. Stand back in line behind real software companies that actually charge money for their products.
I'm happy that everyone in the world is not as clueless as you are. The truth of the matter is the Entire NASDEQ is Down. Not just Linux Stocks. But then when you're a troll the truth doesnt matter, only the hype.
when they were afraid that OS/2 was going to kill them. They would give detailed instructions on how to delete warp. Nothing has changed. It's the usual thieves, liars and thugs up to their usual tricks.
As far as I'm concerned /. does far more harm to the open source and the Linux community with premature nonsense articles like this than anything else. Yet another blindly posted article that was not investigated to any degree whatso ever. This is good flamebate against Open Source and basically shows the acute immaturity in the Linux Community. You people who run /. have an obligation to the community to report things that are correct, complete and fair instead of acting like a bunch of immature kiddies who post garbage like this. Any RESPONSIBLE person would have contacted Bruce for a clarification of the issues. Instead you post this crap and create waves within the community. It should have stayed on the mailing list where it orginated.
Ever notice how you never see the same users year after year but users seem to move in and out of Linux as they're challenged by different problems. At any given time I'd say 120,000 is an accurate count not of nstallations and back room routers but of the people actually using it.
I'd say that was simply wishful thinking coming from a Microsoft Troll
Personally, I will not buy any product that does not come with complete source code that gcc can compile and link. I suppose it's ok to not have the source code to a program provided the product itself does not cost anything (such as Netscape). Using truely FREE software has spoiled me. I usually take it for granted when I download that latests and greatest Linux or BSD program that it will come with the source and when it doesn't I find it very irritating and usually end up deleting the entire package unless it is an exceptionally good program. But from my experience of late, all the really good programs are open sourced.
With that said, I really do not see how Opera will ever be able to have an exceptional product simply because they keep the source code closed. I think it is a shame too. Not only would it be a wonderful program but it's development cycle would be much shorter provided there were enough open sourced programmers interested in it.
As far as I'm concerned Microsoft can keep their bloated, unreliable source code. If they somehow think the open source community will embrace their code I think they are sadly mistaken IMO. At anyrate, who really wants to work with MS buggy code when we have Linux. I can see MS open sourcing some crappy code just to take away developers from Linux or Free BSD etc. Yeah right, when pigs have wings and fly.
Eric, Have you ever had to resort to using your martial arts skills in order to protect yourself? If so, what was the situation? Also are you still active in martial arts?
As far as I'm concerned I'd rather see Bill Gates and the rest of his Microsoft Gestapo put behind bars where criminals like them belong. However, unfortunately there is no possibility of this happening as this is not a criminal case. I remain convinced that Microsoft and the people who run microsoft are indeed thieves, liars and back stabbers. Apparently being a thief, liar and a back stabber in the US is legal.
Microsoft has a bigger fear from being found guilty than a potential forced breakup of their 4th Reich. Indeed, a guilty verdict would open the door for many companies and individuals to sue them in civil court because of damages due to the monopoly. Really, it's not a breakup they are worried about, its all the legal problems they will have to deal with after the fact.
And I think they deserve every bit of it too. Microsoft officials have lied,threatened,bullied and stole their way to the top. As far as I'm concerned (though it won't happen) if Microsoft were to dissappear off the face of the earth tomorrow, the entire industry would be far better off. Really, all Judge Jackson needs to do to determine MS monopoly is to simply use Windows for even a small period of time. It's such a bloated unreliable piece of trash that it would amaze anyone with even the intelligence of a pissant, that 95 percent of all PC's in the world run it. And if that isnt proof of a monopoly, I don't know what is.
Microsoft: You reap what you sow. With all the illegal criminal actions you have committed in the industry and have got away with for so long, It's pay back time.
You can flame me all you want. But it is outright wrong for criminals to hide behind white shirts and ties and say what they are doing is ok becaue it's the capitolist way.
In the end, its just easier to flip the bird to idiot companies who do this. There are many good companies who have TRUST in their employees by default. Not though constant threat of monitoring what you are doing on your workstation. It's absolutely incredible that anyone would seriously consider working for Gestapo companies like this. But like I said, high tech jobs are a dime a dozen, so finding a new employer usually involves just a few phone calls. Your mileage may vary.
I think you (and others) have a hell of a lot of nerve complaining about Mozilla not being released considering the loudest complainers are the ones who have NOT contributed a single line of code or anything else to the Mozilla project. With that said you don't have any right to bitch at all about features in Mozilla, the lack there-of or anything else about Mozilla. Maybe if you shut up and started writing some code and submit it to the Mozilla team it may be released sooner.
Secondly, DEAD WRONG. IBM has about fifty times as much invested in Monterey than Linux. I'm not going to cite my sources, but that's fact. They're banking a HELL of a lot more heavily on Monterey than they ever will on Linux. Reason being that they stand to make more off Monterey, since it's basically AIX with iBCS only it's for PowerPCs. It runs Linux bins. So it's got one hell of a leg up on Linux with better corporate acceptance and wider support. ESR really needs to check his facts before he goes spouting off.
If you cant give references to your claims then the only one around here spouting off is you. "I'm not going to cite my sources" indeed. You wont cite them because you have none, otherwise you would have.
Anyway, RMS's writings had almost convinced me to switch to Linux. Bruce Perens has done a good job as well. Unfortunately, the rest of the Linux community, along with ESR, has done the opposite. That, and the fact that I REALLY dislike X, is going to keep me in Windows, at least until I get some spare time to install FreeBSD.
You are a clueless numbskull. The Linux community doesnt want you anyway. Welcome to Linux. Only users with a clue need apply.
Man, you know nothing about solaris. Whenever anybody equates the addon tools and window manger provided with the OS, they know shit about the OS. GNU and its whole package was around way before there was a Linux. It is up to you what you want to run. Some people run the gnu version, some runs the xpg4 version for for IEEE cross platform compatablity.
Get a clue. I was referring to the stone aged tools that SUN so conviently ships with Solaris, more specifically the lack thereof. Oh unless you consider their bloated java as anything useful beyond chewing up a hell of a lot of ram.
Go read the internal architecture of solaris and Linux, learn about single system image, doors, dynamic domain, alternate pathing, dynamic reconfig, board drain, turnstile, kthread, paging algorithm implementation, scalabilty ot 64CPU w/no kernel mutex contention and stop yapping about the window manager and how you could get "ls" in color. You are just 1 step away removerd from a 'doze user.
Considering the fact our company has spent well over 55k for this E450, and considering the fact the fucking thing has yet to run a full week without crashing, and condidering the fact that SUN and or its service representatives cannot seem to identify and fix the problems, and considering the fact that SUN has replaced this E450 not once but 2 times, I think that is good enough indication to me that Solaris is just a stone aged piece of shit. Interesting our Linux boxen *NEVER* ever crash period running the same Oracle Software, yet the E450 has been nothing but trouble. I'll let you draw your own conclusions: HINT: If SUN Engineers cannot fix it then it doesnt seem likely anyone else can.
top yapping about the window manager and how you could get "ls" in color. You are just 1 step away removerd from a 'doze user.
Oh I was being nice. You've got the real scoop now. Obviously you are a Troll. What else could it be? In terms of being 1 step away from a doze user, I wager the 25+ years of HW/SW experience under my belt would show you to be more clueless than even a MAC user. Get a life. See thats the whole problem with SUN. Their own people take the same stone aged attitude you have shown here. Little wonder SUN is in deep shit up to it's shoulders. I'll place my bets with Linux. At least Linux developers do not seem to have their heads shoved into the sand or their bungholes either for that matter.
If SUN had any sense at all they would drop their S-L-O-W-A-R-I-S and adopt Linux. Sun makes decent hardware, but their OS offerings are just terrible. After using Linux and then being exposed to Solaris 2.6 on the Ultra E450, I can honestly say that Solaris is stone aged stuff compaired to Linux. Sure Linux has some missing pieces like a Journaling file system and Linux doesnt scale as well as Solaris, but ultimately this will change.
It's inexcusable that SUN ships Solaris with the stone aged tools provided with it. Working in the the a CLI on a sparc box is ten times less productive than doing the exact same thing on a Linux box. You'd think Sun would get their heads out of their asses and clean up Solaris and update it to something closer to the year 2000 instead of the early 80's. I had to spend at least a week downloading GPL'd software and compiling it with gcc under Solaris just to get the damn thing even marginally functional. So yeah, SUN has every reason in the world to shit in their pants over Linux. It's kicking everyone in the seat of the pants. SUN would better serve themselves by just getting out of the software business completely and sell hardware. Embrace Linux on all SUN hardware and be done with it. So I have no idea just what SUN has in mind by purchasing Star Division. It puts them in a unique position in the software world, but I doubt they will even take advantage of it. It's clear to me after using Solaris the past 3 months that SUN has fallen asleep. A pity we have to spend 55k for SUN hardware and have it ship with such amatuerish crap like Java and CDE. Come on SUN. Get with the program.
When is the Linux community get it's head out of its arse and agree on a standardization that will guarantee compatability amongst the different distirbutions? Is this the towering ego problem in that noone can agree? From my point of view, we damn well better start agreeing on *SOMETHING* pretty soon beyond the 'Agreeing that nobody agrees syndrom' we are currently caught in.
All this stupidity about my disrtribution is better than your distribution, blah blah blah ad nasuaem is just outright harmful to the whole community. Everyone agreeing on a common way to do things only makes sense. All your config files go here. You minimum version of libraries is this, your revision of gcc is this, and so on. Until the powers that be in the Linux community can agree on a standard, you will continue to see companies only supporting the distro with the most common demoninator which is currently Redhat. Don't bitch at Redhat about it. Instead become involved. Email the companies or individuals who release your favorite distribution and DEMAND they take their collective heads out of their butts and agree upon a standard that will do away with this problem once and for all. Simply crying foul to the vendors of your fav distro and or software package will not accomplish a damn thing.
I don't believe that Redhat is out to sabatoge Linux or to become some big monopoly like Microsoft. This company has lived in the shadow of a Monopoly since its inception, They understand the Linux community being vocal like it is will not condone any type of behavor like this. So in the end, I think the community as a collective whole should voice its concerns to ALL the distributions and absolutely demand these people agree on a common standard. Once this happens, I believe we will see announcements that simply say for LINUX. Besides,a common standard will level the playing field amongst the different distributions. And thats something I think will allow us all to sleep easier at night.
The 20 seconds delay on a 486SX caused by imlib poor coding is a 4 second delay on a pentium 166 which for 10 gnome apps starting is a lot of CPU time.
/. show you Alan. With the majority of them nothing but muchers and leeches, they've never contributed a single line of code to the 'cause', they hide behind their disgusting Anonymous Coward handles attempting to hurl insults towards someone whose intellect is lightyears beyond their own. But then I know you find these individuals somewhat amusing, but still it gets old very quickly.
It's a memory/cpu pig period. Having looked at at the code, I conclude it should be completely rewritten from scratch again to be of any use at all. See, thats the problem today. Programmers don't seem to care how bloated or inefficient their code is. They assume you should be running a really fast CPU with lots and lots of memory. This is the very reason that Windows is the bloated sugar-coated crap it is. So yeah. Code SHOULD be written to work very well on systems with small cpu's and memory. Anything short of doing this is not the most responsible thing to do.
Finally, I'm apalled at the lack of respect a lot of these immature idiots on
And christ, man, take some english classes, your spelling is still as horrible as ever ;)
Interesting you would attempt to correct the spelling of one of Linux's most legendary hackers who has most likely forgotten more information since yesterday than you have acquired during you entire lifetime. ROFLAMO.
Windows JITs are the best
The truth of the matter is Java under OS/2 is the fastest of them all. Java under Linux works, but isnt much to write home about
From what I've read these past few months, Threads under Linux seem to be somewhat problematic, else the Apache team would be using them. This is another area that will be improved upon in the upcomming months. Instead of sticking our heads in the sand,lets identify what needs work and improve upon it. This is Linux's strength. 3 months from now we can run the benchmarks again and see a drastic improvement, else we can just keep on coding until we get it right. Really it's not a question of 'if' but one of 'when'. We are in control of our own fate, as we have the source :).
The Mindquest retest is a trap. They are using hardware that was designed for NT and nothing else. A reasonable solution is to let a company like VA Research loan 2 boxes known to work well with both Linux and NT. Do the tests on those. Agreeing to do the retest with their current hardware is the trap they have set for Linux. Don't been pulled into this trap. Should the numbers show that NT out performs Linux on the hardware provided by VA, then so be it. At least we will know it was not a hardware issue, or that the test was rigged in some way. I don't trust any company having dealings with Microsoft. Mindcraft is just dangling the cheese in front of the trap door. If Mindcraft will not let us spec which hardware to use with Linux then we should just Ignore this whole retest issue.
Show me any benchmark reports made by an independent lab such as Mindcraft that has been sponsored by Microsoft, that showed any Microsoft product in a bad light. For that matter show me any benchmark report sponsored by a company whose product was in the evaulation, AND was shown to underperform the competitive product.
The bottom line is, sponsored benchmarks cannot be reliable. The company sponsoring them has to pay for a negative review of their product? Hey, Lets release this to the press, it shows our product underperforming our competitors, but at least the world can see how honest we are.
And can you fully trust benchmarks from a publication? Think about it. If company A spends millions of $$$ with publisher B in advertisements, would publisher B really want to take the chance on having those $$$ yanked because they were perfectly honest? I dont think so. Why bite the hand that feeds you? The benchmark goes to the company who pays the most $$$ that quarter.
So whose benchmarks can you trust? Labs will not benchmark something just for the fun of it. It cost money and time to do these things correctly. Money has to change hands somewhere, else why would they even bother? Unless there is a completely independent non for profit lab who can do it, still they must receive their funding from somewhere.
So the end result is, I don't trust any benchmarks I see period. There are simply too many variables in the equation that can tilt the benchmark in favor of the other. The biggest variable is the exchange of good old cold hard cash. With enough of it you can find a lab that will say old cpm86 running on an XT machine is 10 times faster than a 4 processor NT box, and make the benchmark look for real.
My 3 cents worth.