I'm not just rehashing, I'm stating what I know and believe to be true.
Microsoft's goal here is not to eliminate shortages. It's to make money
If they had enough sense it would be both.
When they sell at a shortage, they not only decrease the amount of money they collect, but they artifically inflate the relative cost of other goods, because that money that stays in consumers pocket is now competing with Microsoft's dollar for goods.
Why would they... increase the price and drive down demand?
Strictly speaking they would not be driving down demand because in a shortage, more products are desired than demanded.
Demand is that quantity of a good that consumers are not only willing to buy but also have the capacity to buy at the given price.
When there is a shortage, demand is fixed. Microsoft has a limited capacity to raise prices short term and demand will not change.
You say: Any example which shows a price increase directly driving down demand is usually extremely contrived.
and then the rest of your post runs counter to that statement. You need to figure out what misconception you are operating under to allow you to produce such a contradiction.
That is an oversimplification. Once my belly is full and I am parked in front of my computer or console, or out getting physical exercise, my wants are sated for the moment. This is true for everyone. Sure, as time progresses, there are infinite wants, but for any given point in time the wants are finite. However the wants for a long time have exceeded the ability to supply them and only now is beginning to approach parity.
I'm sorry, but hype is not a valid market control mechanism. Market control mechanims exist to ensure that the products of most value to people get produced in appropriate quantities. This means the elimination of shortages.
I'm merely poking fun at the article for saying that they've drawn a penguin, using hype words like "a major leap forward", but leaving the reader to guess at what the real work that has been done might be.
The Ebay secondary market doesn't fully restore the effects of market pricing as the money doesn't go back into production of XBoxes. I was about to write, "to Microsoft", but even that wouldn't be sufficient if Microsoft didn't put the money back into XBox production. That single point not addressed in the simplified economic model, is part of what contributes to people reaching the conclusion that price controls don't work.
Now for your "b" statement:
If the global market operated consistently with appropriate price controls then one misstep wouldn't have that much of an effect. But as I said before people don't believe in the efficacy of basic market controls and thus don't ensure that the market operates to them, making each and every rillpe effect more severe.
If they had a better understanding of economics, they wouldn't be as annoyed, because they would understand that such pricing just reflect the true value of the XBox at a given point in time to other products in the economy.
There's no particular harm done, other than to MS's immediate profit, by underpricing the 360.
Yes, there is. By underpricing the 360, the economy fails to reflect its true value relative to the costs of other goods. When someone buys an X-box, they have money in their pocket they wouldn't have if the X-Box was priced at its true market value. They then spend that money on other goods in competion with other people, thus setting the price of the other goods higher than they should be, sending a ripple effect throughout the economy.
Nobody has faith in the basic economic controls. Setting a $700 price point is stupid, but setting the price point at this time at $300 is stupid too. The purpose of the economy is to allocate the finite resources available for production to the production of the most valuable goods. Letting the price float means that there will be sufficient money to continue building the product until all demand is met. Any money left over is available for reinvestment in other projects to meet new demands.
That isn't an option. If you can't get a teacher to give you an incomplete, the grade is final.
You might be able to go to the Dean and ask them to reconsider, though.
K-12 is even worse. Once you've gone through 12 grades (13 counting kindergarten), you're locked out of taking any more courses.
Then you have to depend on finding ways to get money for college.
Allowing children the freedom to 'discover' things at their own pace causes more dropouts, and mostly tests motivation and discipline instead of talent.>
Rote is no different.
They used to have speed drills for multiplication in elementary school. I could have done all the problems correctly if allowed to work them in my own time. Those speed drills were just a waste.
I found the website for PISA. You could have put it in one of your messages as a courtesy.
I'm not sure how valid their random picking method is. You aren't exactly citing the relevant portions of the site that explains their methodology on anything. In fact you are making a lot of assertions about PISA without appropriate citations. The main problem with PISA as I see it is that it compares schools that generally do things the same way to each other. Nor does it appear to highlight which portions of the differences in systems is responsible for good or bad performance. If a system were to produce 15% extremely high performing students and the rest sub-par, I don't know how they would rank against a system producing 40% slightly above par, 20% at par, and 40% sub-par students.
Consult a proper dictionary.
You consult a proper dictionary. Better yet take a course, though I'm not sure what course would address your lacking in this particular area. English isn't the native language of the Netherlands, unlike America, where I'm at, and English is my native toungue.
But to help you out, consider these definitions from WordWeb:
procedure: A particular course of action intended to achieve a result
instruction: A message describing how something is to be done.
Dictionary.com: instruction:4b Detailed directions on procedure
procedure:1. A manner of proceeding; a way of performing or effecting something: standard procedure. A manner of proceeding; a way of performing or effecting something: standard procedure.
The students are going nowhere: even migration levels inside the country are very low due to religious, linguistic, and cultural division in the country. We do get a lot of foreign students these days at our university.
http://www.flos-freeware.ch/metapath.html
Metapath was written to integrate with Metapad but works with other things. I thought that maybe the plugin might be similar.
They enslave themselves. I'm talking about the proletariat, (the working class). According to WordWeb, prole is an adequate synonym for proletariat, but plebe, a military trainee (as at a military academy), is not. You only want to decrease the purchasing power of the proles when they find they have money to spend on their misconceptions. The proles will never initiate the rebellion because they're not smart enough. Once a person born to parents of that class is smart enough, he leaves that class. Remember, Lenin wasn't a prole. Neither were any of the founding fathers, or any of the presidents or members of Congress. Nor were the ruling members of the Soviet Union. Nor are the officers ofthe military. Enlisted men generally or frequently are, but that's not a hard and fast rule, nor do I have statistics.
Anybody else not notice that the first link goes to the 13th page of the article before going to the next page and seeing Conclusion and going, "Wow, that article was brief...what just happened there?"
It's not the technology that protection is needed
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Lower class people are lower class mainly because they are incapable of grasping certain concepts like no matter how much you spend on shampoo or how well it is advertised, if it takes plastic surgery to make you pretty, then you are going to have to purchase plastic surgury to make your pretty. The job of preying on their inability to grasp such concepts is morally repugnant whether or not they "need" to be protected from their own stupidity. When such economic graft occurs, the upper class pays for it in decreased allocation of resources to meet their wants, and it is only natural for the upper class to want protection from it.
Why don't they just open source the files that don't have the integration code in it, or even release the broken files that would be the result of stripping the intergration codefrom their files? Why does it always have to be all or none?
Which is why there will always be two classes...
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and why the proletariat will never be the ruling class or indeed revolt. The smart ones will move out of the proletariat, and it's the smart people that are disaffected in society that will rebel, both the rulers and the rebels using the proletariat as cannon fodder. It's a waste to prey on the misconceptions of the proletariat when there are more effective and economical ways to decrease their purchasing power and increase their utilizability.
The difference is that in the rote method there is a teacher controlling the input,
Yeah, right! The teacher controls very little in rote, and has little feedback with which to refine that control. If you didn't get it the first time, sorry, there's no going back. If you get an F that's it, no retaking the class. If you get any other grade, that's it too!
when you are messing with an existing education system that works well
The existing system works like garbage. Instead of holding on to the student until they master the material, the student is given a scarce amount of time to grasp whatever they can and then assigned marks like graded quality computer parts.
First we introduced summer courses on mathematics and writing for weak students, and this year we made those courses part of the official program because almost everybody needs them now in our experience.
All you are saying is that you are now attracting lesser equipped students and the better equipped students are going elsewhere.
Since processes comply with or deviate from instructions it is natural to design procedures that don't violate instructions, but these notions originally belong to different vocabularies.
Wrong! It is natural for procedures to be designed to handle as many instructions as possible, so to not be overwhelmed with having to select from a wide array of procedures as well as having to decypher which among several similar procedures is the best one.
Going back to your original statement: Instructions are not generally dependent on order. Procedures are dependent on order.
The situation is completely different than what you say. Instructions are dependent on order. Procedures are independent of order.
Laws cover procedures. A great many different instuction sets can indicate the procedures you can use and still comply with the law. Law doesn't tell you what to do, just where the boundaries are.
In my case with the instructions I indicated, the problem was that the instructions failed to completely disengage the notion of the appropriateness of the procedure to follow the instructions in order to this particular set of instructions.
Backing up, you say:
...we have a highly stratified high school system: only good students go to preparatory school, and only those children have the option of going to university.
I don't see how you can say that and then say with a straight face that your education system works well.
New technology being though in terms of not how to inform consumers but how to bypass the most informed and target the least informed, depending on them to persuade the better informed. Note: the child frequently doesn't actually want the cereal itself in this particular situation, but just the pretty box.
I can't tell you how many boxes of Frosted Flakes I ate for the primary goal of getting the Disney Afternoon figurine inside. There were also numerous times I thought I wanted something, but didn't actually know what it was.
In the Mixed content model section, it gives a hyperlink example in which the Microsoft example doesn't show the reference http://example.com/ so it isn't equivalent to the ODF example.
Every time I hear one of these things, I think about how user customization is being ignored. IE had a feature in accessibility to allow the user to psecify a CSS to override sites CSS, not as a general user customization, but relegated to accesibility. In fact most of what Microsoft relegated to accessibility should be general user customization. Digging through my Firefox settings, I don't see a CSS override option, but colors and fonts are general user settings, but its a use on sites that don't specify or all sites option, not a goups of sites or specific sites options. I want to easily specify what icons get used for everything.
The way I see it both sides have equal burden of proof. The point of both the 'discovery' method and the 'rote' method is to train the neural net that is the brain. The discovery method presents several different signals.
Just a few years ago this wasn't necessary.
Care to cite your sources? When I went to college to get my 2-year Associate's degree, I was suprised to find that they were teaching classes in basic arithmetic, much less algebra.
they weren't capable of discovering within 10 minutes that a slightly modified version of the inverse square law of optics applied to a computer simulated instrument we had them examine, even though they did know the necessary mathematics very well.
A key here is "computer simulated". It is very hard to analyze anything "computer simulated" very thoroughly. On Kuro5hin, I had to remind a person how potentials work mathematically.
The most obvious check would be to *ask* the students afterwards why they did what they did.
Would be nice, but doesn't happen in classrooms. Introspective and retrospective interviewing is quite common in cognitive psychology.
But totally absent in the classroom.
Instructions are not generally dependent on order.
Of course they are. Just try putting ingredients in the oven before mixing them, going to a supermarket and attempting to pay for your groceries before you've collected them, or taking high level courses before the preliminaries. What is the difference in your mind between "instruction" and "procedure"? Procedures have to be in order, thus the instructions for those procedures have to be in order.
When I look at legislation, I see it has to go through committees before going to the general floor before becoming law, there is an order of priority of what gets considered first, etc.
We should be righteously peeved because it's a press release for buildforge. I consider this a new low for Zonk. Seriously, he's the only person I've considered hiding. I went so far as to hide him for about a half hour, then I reconsidered and unhid him because every so often he does post a good story.
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I'm not just rehashing, I'm stating what I know and believe to be true.
... increase the price and drive down demand?
Microsoft's goal here is not to eliminate shortages. It's to make money
If they had enough sense it would be both.
When they sell at a shortage, they not only decrease the amount of money they collect, but they artifically inflate the relative cost of other goods, because that money that stays in consumers pocket is now competing with Microsoft's dollar for goods.
Why would they
Strictly speaking they would not be driving down demand because in a shortage, more products are desired than demanded.
Demand is that quantity of a good that consumers are not only willing to buy but also have the capacity to buy at the given price.
When there is a shortage, demand is fixed. Microsoft has a limited capacity to raise prices short term and demand will not change.
You say:
Any example which shows a price increase directly driving down demand is usually extremely contrived.
and then the rest of your post runs counter to that statement. You need to figure out what misconception you are operating under to allow you to produce such a contradiction.
That is an oversimplification. Once my belly is full and I am parked in front of my computer or console, or out getting physical exercise, my wants are sated for the moment. This is true for everyone. Sure, as time progresses, there are infinite wants, but for any given point in time the wants are finite. However the wants for a long time have exceeded the ability to supply them and only now is beginning to approach parity.
I'm sorry, but hype is not a valid market control mechanism. Market control mechanims exist to ensure that the products of most value to people get produced in appropriate quantities. This means the elimination of shortages.
I'm merely poking fun at the article for saying that they've drawn a penguin, using hype words like "a major leap forward", but leaving the reader to guess at what the real work that has been done might be.
The Ebay secondary market doesn't fully restore the effects of market pricing as the money doesn't go back into production of XBoxes. I was about to write, "to Microsoft", but even that wouldn't be sufficient if Microsoft didn't put the money back into XBox production. That single point not addressed in the simplified economic model, is part of what contributes to people reaching the conclusion that price controls don't work.
Now for your "b" statement:
If the global market operated consistently with appropriate price controls then one misstep wouldn't have that much of an effect. But as I said before people don't believe in the efficacy of basic market controls and thus don't ensure that the market operates to them, making each and every rillpe effect more severe.
I wouldn't think that IPTV has a vertical blanking interval so the patent wouldn't apply.
If they had a better understanding of economics, they wouldn't be as annoyed, because they would understand that such pricing just reflect the true value of the XBox at a given point in time to other products in the economy.
There's no particular harm done, other than to MS's immediate profit, by underpricing the 360.
Yes, there is. By underpricing the 360, the economy fails to reflect its true value relative to the costs of other goods. When someone buys an X-box, they have money in their pocket they wouldn't have if the X-Box was priced at its true market value. They then spend that money on other goods in competion with other people, thus setting the price of the other goods higher than they should be, sending a ripple effect throughout the economy.
Nobody has faith in the basic economic controls. Setting a $700 price point is stupid, but setting the price point at this time at $300 is stupid too. The purpose of the economy is to allocate the finite resources available for production to the production of the most valuable goods. Letting the price float means that there will be sufficient money to continue building the product until all demand is met. Any money left over is available for reinvestment in other projects to meet new demands.
If you fail, you should retake the class.
That isn't an option. If you can't get a teacher to give you an incomplete, the grade is final.
You might be able to go to the Dean and ask them to reconsider, though.
K-12 is even worse. Once you've gone through 12 grades (13 counting kindergarten), you're locked out of taking any more courses.
Then you have to depend on finding ways to get money for college.
Allowing children the freedom to 'discover' things at their own pace causes more dropouts, and mostly tests motivation and discipline instead of talent.>
Rote is no different.
They used to have speed drills for multiplication in elementary school. I could have done all the problems correctly if allowed to work them in my own time. Those speed drills were just a waste.
http://www.pisa.oecd.org/
I found the website for PISA. You could have put it in one of your messages as a courtesy.
I'm not sure how valid their random picking method is. You aren't exactly citing the relevant portions of the site that explains their methodology on anything. In fact you are making a lot of assertions about PISA without appropriate citations. The main problem with PISA as I see it is that it compares schools that generally do things the same way to each other. Nor does it appear to highlight which portions of the differences in systems is responsible for good or bad performance. If a system were to produce 15% extremely high performing students and the rest sub-par, I don't know how they would rank against a system producing 40% slightly above par, 20% at par, and 40% sub-par students.
Consult a proper dictionary.
You consult a proper dictionary. Better yet take a course, though I'm not sure what course would address your lacking in this particular area. English isn't the native language of the Netherlands, unlike America, where I'm at, and English is my native toungue.
But to help you out, consider these definitions from WordWeb:
procedure: A particular course of action intended to achieve a result
instruction: A message describing how something is to be done.
Dictionary.com:
instruction:4b Detailed directions on procedure
procedure:1. A manner of proceeding; a way of performing or effecting something: standard procedure. A manner of proceeding; a way of performing or effecting something: standard procedure.
The students are going nowhere: even migration levels inside the country are very low due to religious, linguistic, and cultural division in the country. We do get a lot of foreign students these days at our university.
Cite sources please.
http://www.flos-freeware.ch/metapath.html Metapath was written to integrate with Metapad but works with other things. I thought that maybe the plugin might be similar.
They enslave themselves. I'm talking about the proletariat, (the working class). According to WordWeb, prole is an adequate synonym for proletariat, but plebe, a military trainee (as at a military academy), is not. You only want to decrease the purchasing power of the proles when they find they have money to spend on their misconceptions. The proles will never initiate the rebellion because they're not smart enough. Once a person born to parents of that class is smart enough, he leaves that class. Remember, Lenin wasn't a prole. Neither were any of the founding fathers, or any of the presidents or members of Congress. Nor were the ruling members of the Soviet Union. Nor are the officers ofthe military. Enlisted men generally or frequently are, but that's not a hard and fast rule, nor do I have statistics.
Anybody else not notice that the first link goes to the 13th page of the article before going to the next page and seeing Conclusion and going, "Wow, that article was brief...what just happened there?"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q= usercss+firefox
7 3 o ntentid=181195
yields as its first result:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=881
which talks about usercss
and http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?c
talks about EditCSS plugin which apparently makes it easier to edit Usercss, but Firefox isn't exactly promoting this ability.
Lower class people are lower class mainly because they are incapable of grasping certain concepts like no matter how much you spend on shampoo or how well it is advertised, if it takes plastic surgery to make you pretty, then you are going to have to purchase plastic surgury to make your pretty. The job of preying on their inability to grasp such concepts is morally repugnant whether or not they "need" to be protected from their own stupidity. When such economic graft occurs, the upper class pays for it in decreased allocation of resources to meet their wants, and it is only natural for the upper class to want protection from it.
Why don't they just open source the files that don't have the integration code in it, or even release the broken files that would be the result of stripping the intergration codefrom their files? Why does it always have to be all or none?
and why the proletariat will never be the ruling class or indeed revolt. The smart ones will move out of the proletariat, and it's the smart people that are disaffected in society that will rebel, both the rulers and the rebels using the proletariat as cannon fodder. It's a waste to prey on the misconceptions of the proletariat when there are more effective and economical ways to decrease their purchasing power and increase their utilizability.
The difference is that in the rote method there is a teacher controlling the input,
...we have a highly stratified high school system: only good students go to preparatory school, and only those children have the option of going to university.
Yeah, right! The teacher controls very little in rote, and has little feedback with which to refine that control. If you didn't get it the first time, sorry, there's no going back. If you get an F that's it, no retaking the class. If you get any other grade, that's it too!
when you are messing with an existing education system that works well
The existing system works like garbage. Instead of holding on to the student until they master the material, the student is given a scarce amount of time to grasp whatever they can and then assigned marks like graded quality computer parts.
First we introduced summer courses on mathematics and writing for weak students, and this year we made those courses part of the official program because almost everybody needs them now in our experience.
All you are saying is that you are now attracting lesser equipped students and the better equipped students are going elsewhere.
Since processes comply with or deviate from instructions it is natural to design procedures that don't violate instructions, but these notions originally belong to different vocabularies.
Wrong! It is natural for procedures to be designed to handle as many instructions as possible, so to not be overwhelmed with having to select from a wide array of procedures as well as having to decypher which among several similar procedures is the best one.
Going back to your original statement:
Instructions are not generally dependent on order. Procedures are dependent on order.
The situation is completely different than what you say. Instructions are dependent on order. Procedures are independent of order.
Laws cover procedures. A great many different instuction sets can indicate the procedures you can use and still comply with the law. Law doesn't tell you what to do, just where the boundaries are.
In my case with the instructions I indicated, the problem was that the instructions failed to completely disengage the notion of the appropriateness of the procedure to follow the instructions in order to this particular set of instructions.
Backing up, you say:
I don't see how you can say that and then say with a straight face that your education system works well.
New technology being though in terms of not how to inform consumers but how to bypass the most informed and target the least informed, depending on them to persuade the better informed. Note: the child frequently doesn't actually want the cereal itself in this particular situation, but just the pretty box.
I can't tell you how many boxes of Frosted Flakes I ate for the primary goal of getting the Disney Afternoon figurine inside. There were also numerous times I thought I wanted something, but didn't actually know what it was.
In the Mixed content model section, it gives a hyperlink example in which the Microsoft example doesn't show the reference http://example.com/ so it isn't equivalent to the ODF example.
Every time I hear one of these things, I think about how user customization is being ignored. IE had a feature in accessibility to allow the user to psecify a CSS to override sites CSS, not as a general user customization, but relegated to accesibility. In fact most of what Microsoft relegated to accessibility should be general user customization. Digging through my Firefox settings, I don't see a CSS override option, but colors and fonts are general user settings, but its a use on sites that don't specify or all sites option, not a goups of sites or specific sites options. I want to easily specify what icons get used for everything.
The way I see it both sides have equal burden of proof. The point of both the 'discovery' method and the 'rote' method is to train the neural net that is the brain. The discovery method presents several different signals.
Just a few years ago this wasn't necessary.
Care to cite your sources? When I went to college to get my 2-year Associate's degree, I was suprised to find that they were teaching classes in basic arithmetic, much less algebra.
they weren't capable of discovering within 10 minutes that a slightly modified version of the inverse square law of optics applied to a computer simulated instrument we had them examine, even though they did know the necessary mathematics very well.
A key here is "computer simulated". It is very hard to analyze anything "computer simulated" very thoroughly. On Kuro5hin, I had to remind a person how potentials work mathematically.
The most obvious check would be to *ask* the students afterwards why they did what they did.
Would be nice, but doesn't happen in classrooms.
Introspective and retrospective interviewing is quite common in cognitive psychology.
But totally absent in the classroom.
Instructions are not generally dependent on order.
Of course they are. Just try putting ingredients in the oven before mixing them, going to a supermarket and attempting to pay for your groceries before you've collected them, or taking high level courses before the preliminaries. What is the difference in your mind between "instruction" and "procedure"? Procedures have to be in order, thus the instructions for those procedures have to be in order.
When I look at legislation, I see it has to go through committees before going to the general floor before becoming law, there is an order of priority of what gets considered first, etc.
What are you, some sort of fanboy?
But seriously, it's part of the syndrome of thinking the cathedral is better than the bazaar.
Thankfully there's still http://nextag.com/.
I've always went to nextag, though that may be because they advertised with Google.
We should be righteously peeved because it's a press release for buildforge. I consider this a new low for Zonk. Seriously, he's the only person I've considered hiding. I went so far as to hide him for about a half hour, then I reconsidered and unhid him because every so often he does post a good story.