I say: "Is they essential? No." You say: "Companies don't need mods to maintain a customer base."
I say (in an obviously rhetorical gambit): "You tellin me that they ain't been a grip a top sellers that never got no mods?" You say: "That's exactly what I'm tryin to tell you main, there are *MANY* games that are top sellers that have absolutely zero modability"
You say: "Need more explanation?" I say: No thanks, chump. But thanks for takin some of yo precious game expert time to back up my obviously uninformed opinion.
Companies have to realize that people are not "consumers" and that they want to particpate rather than just observe.
You straight up trippin, man. When Consumers gonna learn that that's all they is, Consumers? The only participation you entitled to is in yo decision on how to spend yo benjamins. We got a term on the streetz that go "Too many chefs spoil the soup."
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I figure pretty soon they gone find out exactly how much value they product really have. No fair use? What they gone do when use period takes a dive cause people get tired of gettin ganked every time they turn on they radio or they TV.
And now that they making it like just listening to a song without writin a check is a crime in principle, its not like they can easily backpedal to get they users back. Tryin to re-introduce fair use just gone make them look like punks, and bust open a pandora's box of justifications for all kinds of piracy. I can hear it now "I'm fits ta help the RIAA win they business back by burnin copies of this CD fo my homies!"
When people gone recognize that this kind of scorched earth campaign is bad for everyone concerned?
Unfortunately, you are making comments about an industry that you obviously have no idea about f00.
Well then, its a honor to be talkig to a genuine expert!
Think about Blizzard. They ship Warcraft and gain their first following of customers. Now when it comes around to the Warcraft2, they know they have the old Warcraft people looking forward to it, plus friends of these people that they've told have to check out their next game. This goes on and on through Diablo, Starcraft, Diablo 2, and now Warcraft 3 and World of Warcraft. I, like many people who've been playing games for a long time, know that Blizzard ships damn good games and there is no need to wait for a demo.
You just going to educate me on somethin here. Warcraft 2, Diablo 2, Warcraft 3. ..those all sound like SEQUELS to me. Wasn't that what I was sayin? That developers wanted to spend they time developing sequels and ultimately selling them? On the streetz, we got a term called 'planned obsolescence.' What it comes down to is that companies design products so that at some point they customers are gonna be wantin more. Yeah, companies want longevity in they product. Right up to the day before the sequel come out! (Or mabe a coupla days before so you get some anticipation buildin up.)
If you spend all yo time kickin down dope mods, who gonna want to PAY to get a sequel? Does that mean that mods is a complete waste a time? No. Is they essential? No. You tellin me that they ain't been a grip a top sellers that never got no mods?
I hate to break it to you, but yo list of comments ain't much of a revalation, even to me!
Developers want they products to be popular. Damn! Ain't that somethin! Trouble is, fo all yo knowledge and experience, you still cain't explain worth a damn why a developer NEEDS mods to maintain they customer base. All you done is back up MY point that they in this to sell product, be it sequels, licences or whateva.
Oh, I get it. You see someone don't write exactly the way you do, and you start salivatin like one a Pavlov's dogs at a classical handbell recital, slippin all ova yo own drool tryin to diss them. You don't even know me and you so sure you betta? That says enough about YOU right there, cuz. At least I am contributin ot the conversation instead of postin offtopic.
I been workin in book distribution fo 3 years, mainly with our database of book infomation. BIP's data is all fsked up, incomplete and outta date. They still ain't getting regula updates on $hit because they technology is so outta date, they can't handle it.
Another case: Ingram, which sells infor to booksellers ova iPage. They was hand typin infomation into they database up till LAST YEAR. And people was PAYIN fo it?
Baker & Taylor is the only database that I would trust at all. I hear they feed Amazon.
You dead right about not needin no index or nothin online that is already in the book.
But peep this: What if there was some kinda database that had the whole book in digital form, but was only searchable instead of readable. That way when fools need to find out instances of a certain word of phrase in a book, they could find out on the web, and get page numbers to look up in they hard copy. It'a keep the publishers happy cause you wouldn't be able to pirate they material, and it'a keep readers happy cause they'd have some of the digital benefits that they cain't get wit a paper book.
Beyond the hype, the purpose of open source is to improve software, period.
You may be right, but lookin around this site it seems like a lot of people would rather tear down other people's $hit than improve they own. If people spend this much time hatin on M$ and AOL, its no wonder they software cain't hang. Quit whinin ya'll and spend that time developin.
Compuserve is just one mo shell company that AOL be maintainin so that they can playa-hate on Micro$oft and get press coverage fo theyself (Just like NetScape. If its Mozilla then SAY it's Mozilla. Don't be milkin some played out has-been so you can keep filing lawsuits.)
This all part a they old theory that people only use IE because M$ somehow forces them too. So they think that they can just switch on them and force them to use something else. First they complain about M$ monoplizin $hit and takin away choice, and then they turn around and do the same thing? Fsck that noise. Gimme an ISP that don't care what software I want to run instead of usin me as a pawn in they corporate bull$hit. That's what I'M sayin.
Maybe Bungie is cool like that and they ain't JUST about makin money. But they DAMN sure interestred in payin the bills so they can make more games.
Second, any first year economy major can tell you that repeat customers are worth more than one-shot customers.
Yeah, but they'd just be spittin out what they read in Principles of Economics, or what some grad student TA told them during office hours ('cause you KNOW they was nappin during lecture). People ain't repeat customers if they just keep buggin you to re-tread some game they bought 6 months ago. You a repeat customer when you buy come back and BUY somethin.
If you create your product correctly, repeat customers shouldn't be a problem, and those are the ones that cost less (in advertising, promoting, etc.)
See, that's all in you definition of making a correct product. The way I see it, a correct product keeps yo customers happy just long enough that they wantin somethin new when you sellin somethin new. If you have to keep sendin out mods to keep they attention you got less time fo developing new $hit. Moreova, yo $hit was obviously shallow in the first place, so maybe it don't deserve no repeat customers.
What you gonna do with all that high speed FireWire data transit when you ain't got no hard drive space to store it? I hope they gettin kick-backs from the external drive and removable media fools.
Damn! Not only do you want to copy someone else's idea, but need someone else to tell you how? No wonder you ain't makin yo OWN games. $hit, its probably lazy fools like you that's responsible for the lack of quality new ideas fo games these days. Ain't got no ideas AND ain't got no skills, and talkin about makin games!?
I've been playing it for months, but it's starting to feel a little long in the tooth.
Don't nobody at Bungie care if you get bored of a game after many months. They businesses, and they in business to SELL games, not support them.
You know you woulda bought that game anyway and you know you gonna buy the next one when it comes out too, cause it was tight when you got it and you already got a few good months outta playin it. That's all they was sellin right there. A game that would keep you instrested until the next new $hit come out. Ain't no money in helping your customers re-use the same played out $hit foreva.
1. Figure out that gaming be popular. 2. Pick som aspect of it that you neva heard before but every other dude already new about. 3. Talk some $hit about about said aspect and try to make out like it is the main focus or some shit.
Man, when are ya'll gonna stop postin articles by that fool Wagner James Au. That dude don't know nothin about gamin and ain't never gonnna know nothin about gamin. $hit, with a name like Wagner, he probably ain't even got no game fo his self. If I want to read about politics or get some liberal perspective on $hit I read Salon. If I wanna read about gamin, that's the last place I wanna hear somebody's opinion.
. ..until they realise that we're making fun on them.
What makes you think they don't already know that? $hit, they probably laughin right now about how some dumba$$ wasted his money filing this whack $hit, and how a bunch of self-styled geniuses are gettin all high and mighty thinkin they smart and $hit. You been played, my man.
. ..and you have to pay a fee to the recording industry for tapes and CDs that ain't even got music on them. And its hella cold! Man, you have that $hit.
Like some other dude said. Can anyone prove that they done this before? I ain't seein how you could unless you had some home movie or something (which, true, ain't impossible). But even still, unless you claim it fo yo self you takin' the chance that somone else will. And like I said, patents get challenged all the time. The USPTO ain't sayin that the patenet is bulletproof just by grantin it, they just sayin that ain't no one though of getting a patent fo it, and all ya'll who think you thought of it first better step up.
(BTW, does anybody else see the potential here for using this as a general call for taxpayer revolt? How much did we pay for this? Do our congresspeople approve on wasting such funds? Do they want re-elected?)
Wake UP, man. It's the fees they collect on dumb $hit like this that pays the bills. How much did you pay for this. Probably nothin since there obviously wasn't a lot of work to do. Just stamp it and cash the check. $hit, you probably made some money offa this fool.
A buddy of mine that used to work for a very large electronics manufacturer actually submitted a patent for a picture-window Ant Farm as a joke, and was almost awarded it!
Yeah, "almost". You just disproved yo OWN point.
And what makes you think that the USPTO don't know that someone was tryin to clown when they submitted this swing $hit. Ain't nothin say you can't submit a joke patent. If you want to waste yo time and money I guess they don't care. There job is to make sure that yo followed protocol and didn't infringe on an idea that someone else submitted or that everyone don't already know about and that's all. If someone else want's to waste they time and money havin it struck down, that's cool too.
That's how these gubmint offices be workin. They take on as much B$ as possible and spend all the money they be gettin, so they can justify a bigger budget when the next year come up.
We need less hatin' and more appreciatin'. Ya'll stand around sayin "Man, I coulda done that." Well so what? You didn't patent it, now did you? And now someone else did and ya'll just jealous.
M$ pushes its products not by trying to make them have the highest quality and win in market competition, and certainly not by innovating, but rather by playing political hardball and introducing gratuitous incompatibilities, all to deprive consumers of choices.
This nonsense be why OSS don't be goin nowhere. All ya'll be standin around pointin to yo $hit and saying "This right here be better than M$. It be stable, and cheap, man, word up." Check this out blood, don't no consumers care about no stability or security, or especially about no damn philosohy. They computer is just a machine and they don't care what makes it work as long as it does for most of the time. If they computer runs slow or crashes or some $hit, they don't be thinkin about how much memory Word or Excel be wastin. They be checkin the fuse box or tellin they kids to quit jumpin around upstairs cause it be rattlin the wires and $hit. And if they do complain about M$, it's because some busta like you told them that Bill Gates was the devil or some $hit and they beleived you cause you knew how to Ctrl-Alt-Delete they $hit and get it workin again.
But the bottom line is, computas is already hard enough for them to deal with without havin to learn some whole new suite of funky looking OSS $hit that does everything they old M$ $hit did but not quite the same. Quality ain't an issue for them, ease of use is, and the easiest $hit to use is the $hit tha already be installed, and do it's job just fine most of the time.
$hit, if it wasn't for IE crashing, people just be wasting that much more time searchin for p)rn and $hit. M$ be doin them a favor.
And those people that do care about security or some anti-capitalist philosophy already be usin somethin else, so ya'll ain't go nothin to cry about.
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Is you confused? Cause I show am.
I say: "Is they essential? No."
You say: "Companies don't need mods to maintain a customer base."
I say (in an obviously rhetorical gambit): "You tellin me that they ain't been a grip a top sellers that never got no mods?"
You say: "That's exactly what I'm tryin to tell you main, there are *MANY* games that are top sellers that have absolutely zero modability"
You say: "Need more explanation?"
I say: No thanks, chump. But thanks for takin some of yo precious game expert time to back up my obviously uninformed opinion.
Companies have to realize that people are not "consumers" and that they want to particpate rather than just observe.
You straight up trippin, man. When Consumers gonna learn that that's all they is, Consumers? The only participation you entitled to is in yo decision on how to spend yo benjamins. We got a term on the streetz that go "Too many chefs spoil the soup."
I figure pretty soon they gone find out exactly how much value they product really have. No fair use? What they gone do when use period takes a dive cause people get tired of gettin ganked every time they turn on they radio or they TV.
And now that they making it like just listening to a song without writin a check is a crime in principle, its not like they can easily backpedal to get they users back. Tryin to re-introduce fair use just gone make them look like punks, and bust open a pandora's box of justifications for all kinds of piracy. I can hear it now "I'm fits ta help the RIAA win they business back by burnin copies of this CD fo my homies!"
When people gone recognize that this kind of scorched earth campaign is bad for everyone concerned?
Unfortunately, you are making comments about an industry that you obviously have no idea about f00.
.those all sound like SEQUELS to me. Wasn't that what I was sayin? That developers wanted to spend they time developing sequels and ultimately selling them? On the streetz, we got a term called 'planned obsolescence.' What it comes down to is that companies design products so that at some point they customers are gonna be wantin more. Yeah, companies want longevity in they product. Right up to the day before the sequel come out! (Or mabe a coupla days before so you get some anticipation buildin up.)
Well then, its a honor to be talkig to a genuine expert!
Think about Blizzard. They ship Warcraft and gain their first following of customers. Now when it comes around to the Warcraft2, they know they have the old Warcraft people looking forward to it, plus friends of these people that they've told have to check out their next game. This goes on and on through Diablo, Starcraft, Diablo 2, and now Warcraft 3 and World of Warcraft. I, like many people who've been playing games for a long time, know that Blizzard ships damn good games and there is no need to wait for a demo.
You just going to educate me on somethin here. Warcraft 2, Diablo 2, Warcraft 3. .
If you spend all yo time kickin down dope mods, who gonna want to PAY to get a sequel? Does that mean that mods is a complete waste a time? No. Is they essential? No. You tellin me that they ain't been a grip a top sellers that never got no mods?
I hate to break it to you, but yo list of comments ain't much of a revalation, even to me!
Developers want they products to be popular. Damn! Ain't that somethin! Trouble is, fo all yo knowledge and experience, you still cain't explain worth a damn why a developer NEEDS mods to maintain they customer base. All you done is back up MY point that they in this to sell product, be it sequels, licences or whateva.
Oh, I get it. You see someone don't write exactly the way you do, and you start salivatin like one a Pavlov's dogs at a classical handbell recital, slippin all ova yo own drool tryin to diss them. You don't even know me and you so sure you betta? That says enough about YOU right there, cuz. At least I am contributin ot the conversation instead of postin offtopic.
I been workin in book distribution fo 3 years, mainly with our database of book infomation. BIP's data is all fsked up, incomplete and outta date. They still ain't getting regula updates on $hit because they technology is so outta date, they can't handle it.
Another case: Ingram, which sells infor to booksellers ova iPage. They was hand typin infomation into they database up till LAST YEAR. And people was PAYIN fo it?
Baker & Taylor is the only database that I would trust at all. I hear they feed Amazon.
You dead right about not needin no index or nothin online that is already in the book.
But peep this: What if there was some kinda database that had the whole book in digital form, but was only searchable instead of readable. That way when fools need to find out instances of a certain word of phrase in a book, they could find out on the web, and get page numbers to look up in they hard copy. It'a keep the publishers happy cause you wouldn't be able to pirate they material, and it'a keep readers happy cause they'd have some of the digital benefits that they cain't get wit a paper book.
Beyond the hype, the purpose of open source is to improve software, period.
You may be right, but lookin around this site it seems like a lot of people would rather tear down other people's $hit than improve they own. If people spend this much time hatin on M$ and AOL, its no wonder they software cain't hang. Quit whinin ya'll and spend that time developin.
If they still usin Compuserve, they probably ain't interested in upgrades.
Compuserve is just one mo shell company that AOL be maintainin so that they can playa-hate on Micro$oft and get press coverage fo theyself (Just like NetScape. If its Mozilla then SAY it's Mozilla. Don't be milkin some played out has-been so you can keep filing lawsuits.)
This all part a they old theory that people only use IE because M$ somehow forces them too. So they think that they can just switch on them and force them to use something else. First they complain about M$ monoplizin $hit and takin away choice, and then they turn around and do the same thing? Fsck that noise. Gimme an ISP that don't care what software I want to run instead of usin me as a pawn in they corporate bull$hit. That's what I'M sayin.
True dat!
Though I suppose that an extreme geek would be too insecure to set aside some time fo his self when his girl cain't stress on him.
Or if you're downloading a bunch of stuff, will your girlfriend get mad because your phone won't ring when she tries to call?
Sounds like a feature to me! A DND function that autmatically kicks in when you're busy.
They are not in it solely to make money.
Maybe Bungie is cool like that and they ain't JUST about makin money. But they DAMN sure interestred in payin the bills so they can make more games.
Second, any first year economy major can tell you that repeat customers are worth more than one-shot customers.
Yeah, but they'd just be spittin out what they read in Principles of Economics, or what some grad student TA told them during office hours ('cause you KNOW they was nappin during lecture). People ain't repeat customers if they just keep buggin you to re-tread some game they bought 6 months ago. You a repeat customer when you buy come back and BUY somethin.
If you create your product correctly, repeat customers shouldn't be a problem, and those are the ones that cost less (in advertising, promoting, etc.)
See, that's all in you definition of making a correct product. The way I see it, a correct product keeps yo customers happy just long enough that they wantin somethin new when you sellin somethin new. If you have to keep sendin out mods to keep they attention you got less time fo developing new $hit. Moreova, yo $hit was obviously shallow in the first place, so maybe it don't deserve no repeat customers.
What you gonna do with all that high speed FireWire data transit when you ain't got no hard drive space to store it? I hope they gettin kick-backs from the external drive and removable media fools.
. . .but two wrongs don't make a right.
Damn! Not only do you want to copy someone else's idea, but need someone else to tell you how? No wonder you ain't makin yo OWN games. $hit, its probably lazy fools like you that's responsible for the lack of quality new ideas fo games these days. Ain't got no ideas AND ain't got no skills, and talkin about makin games!?
I've been playing it for months, but it's starting to feel a little long in the tooth.
Don't nobody at Bungie care if you get bored of a game after many months. They businesses, and they in business to SELL games, not support them.
You know you woulda bought that game anyway and you know you gonna buy the next one when it comes out too, cause it was tight when you got it and you already got a few good months outta playin it. That's all they was sellin right there. A game that would keep you instrested until the next new $hit come out. Ain't no money in helping your customers re-use the same played out $hit foreva.
1. Figure out that gaming be popular.
2. Pick som aspect of it that you neva heard before but every other dude already new about.
3. Talk some $hit about about said aspect and try to make out like it is the main focus or some shit.
Man, when are ya'll gonna stop postin articles by that fool Wagner James Au. That dude don't know nothin about gamin and ain't never gonnna know nothin about gamin. $hit, with a name like Wagner, he probably ain't even got no game fo his self. If I want to read about politics or get some liberal perspective on $hit I read Salon. If I wanna read about gamin, that's the last place I wanna hear somebody's opinion.
. . .until they realise that we're making fun on them.
What makes you think they don't already know that? $hit, they probably laughin right now about how some dumba$$ wasted his money filing this whack $hit, and how a bunch of self-styled geniuses are gettin all high and mighty thinkin they smart and $hit. You been played, my man.
. . .and you have to pay a fee to the recording industry for tapes and CDs that ain't even got music on them. And its hella cold! Man, you have that $hit.
Like some other dude said. Can anyone prove that they done this before? I ain't seein how you could unless you had some home movie or something (which, true, ain't impossible). But even still, unless you claim it fo yo self you takin' the chance that somone else will. And like I said, patents get challenged all the time. The USPTO ain't sayin that the patenet is bulletproof just by grantin it, they just sayin that ain't no one though of getting a patent fo it, and all ya'll who think you thought of it first better step up.
(BTW, does anybody else see the potential here for using this as a general call for taxpayer revolt? How much did we pay for this? Do our congresspeople approve on wasting such funds? Do they want re-elected?)
Wake UP, man. It's the fees they collect on dumb $hit like this that pays the bills. How much did you pay for this. Probably nothin since there obviously wasn't a lot of work to do. Just stamp it and cash the check. $hit, you probably made some money offa this fool.
A buddy of mine that used to work for a very large electronics manufacturer actually submitted a patent for a picture-window Ant Farm as a joke, and was almost awarded it!
Yeah, "almost". You just disproved yo OWN point.
And what makes you think that the USPTO don't know that someone was tryin to clown when they submitted this swing $hit. Ain't nothin say you can't submit a joke patent. If you want to waste yo time and money I guess they don't care. There job is to make sure that yo followed protocol and didn't infringe on an idea that someone else submitted or that everyone don't already know about and that's all. If someone else want's to waste they time and money havin it struck down, that's cool too.
That's how these gubmint offices be workin. They take on as much B$ as possible and spend all the money they be gettin, so they can justify a bigger budget when the next year come up.
We need less hatin' and more appreciatin'. Ya'll stand around sayin "Man, I coulda done that." Well so what? You didn't patent it, now did you? And now someone else did and ya'll just jealous.
M$ pushes its products not by trying to make them have the highest quality and win in market competition, and certainly not by innovating, but rather by playing political hardball and introducing gratuitous incompatibilities, all to deprive consumers of choices.
This nonsense be why OSS don't be goin nowhere. All ya'll be standin around pointin to yo $hit and saying "This right here be better than M$. It be stable, and cheap, man, word up." Check this out blood, don't no consumers care about no stability or security, or especially about no damn philosohy. They computer is just a machine and they don't care what makes it work as long as it does for most of the time. If they computer runs slow or crashes or some $hit, they don't be thinkin about how much memory Word or Excel be wastin. They be checkin the fuse box or tellin they kids to quit jumpin around upstairs cause it be rattlin the wires and $hit. And if they do complain about M$, it's because some busta like you told them that Bill Gates was the devil or some $hit and they beleived you cause you knew how to Ctrl-Alt-Delete they $hit and get it workin again.
But the bottom line is, computas is already hard enough for them to deal with without havin to learn some whole new suite of funky looking OSS $hit that does everything they old M$ $hit did but not quite the same. Quality ain't an issue for them, ease of use is, and the easiest $hit to use is the $hit tha already be installed, and do it's job just fine most of the time.
$hit, if it wasn't for IE crashing, people just be wasting that much more time searchin for p)rn and $hit. M$ be doin them a favor.
And those people that do care about security or some anti-capitalist philosophy already be usin somethin else, so ya'll ain't go nothin to cry about.