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Transmeta Powered High-End Portable?

NETHED writes: "CNet is running a story on the oQo (Very flash heavy) ultra portable computer. 'Along with Windows XP, it will come with a 5800 Crusoe processor from Transmeta, a 10GB hard drive, 256MB of memory, connection ports for FireWire and USB (universal serial bus), and wireless networking connections through either WiFi or Bluetooth.' Sounds like a winner, considering they want it to cost LESS than 1000USD. Now, only if this didn't sound like vaporware."

226 comments

  1. High End?? by HitchHik · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Only 256MB and 10GB. Just XP will use all that up.

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    1. Re:High End?? by MikeD83 · · Score: 0

      Shutup... know the facts before you bash. Windows XP is about 1 GB and has about a 128 MB foot print.

    2. Re:High End?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they'll be good kittens and sell bare machines if you ask nicely. After all, you can run Linux on a Crusoe, right?

    3. Re:High End?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      leaving just barely enough for mozilla

    4. Re:High End?? by The+Mainframe · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can, but think of all the proprietary hardware that machine must have. Even configuring APM (advanced power management) will be a bitch.

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  2. Re:USB? by NETHED · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, comon now, i was just quoting C-Net! :)

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  3. Hopefully the speed of the site by llamalicious · · Score: 4, Funny

    isn't indicative of the speed of their computers.
    doh! can you feel the slashdotting...?

    1. Re:Hopefully the speed of the site by Darkstar9969 · · Score: 1
      hehe...yeah, the load time on the flash is only slightly longer than the load time on most Playstation games I've played.

      Ok, PSOne to avoid the flamebait label...

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    2. Re:Hopefully the speed of the site by jo42 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You slashdotted their site, you bastards!

    3. Re:Hopefully the speed of the site by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Can I recommend turning off JavaScript?
      Without it, the site loaded in a fraction of a second, but unfortunately was completely blank!
      (apart from a boring background image.)

      FP.

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    4. Re:Hopefully the speed of the site by seanr1978 · · Score: 1

      Loads just fine here. Although, tthat'd kind of figure as I'm on a T3. ;)

  4. Intel Dominance by timothy_m_smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This device sounds pretty cool. However, I think Transmeta is going to have a hard time penetrating the corporate market which seems to be where the profits are. Big corporations are so pro-Intel, it makes it tough for the AMDs and Transmetas of the world.

    1. Re:Intel Dominance by cpfeifer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Big corporations are so pro-Intel
      <best Bill Lumbergh voice>
      Ah, uhm, I'm going to have to, ah, disagree with you there Bob.
      </best Bill Lumbergh voice>

      IT departments of "big corporations" don't know an AMD from an Intel from a MC68K (trust me on this one). More importantly, they don't care. All they can differentiate is OEMs: Dell, Compaq, Toshiba, etc. The OEM is the entity that provides all of the post sales service/support for the machines, so large IT crews are more interested in this than the processor.

      If "alternative" processor manufacturers want to make inroads into "big corporations" they are going to have to start buddying up to the OEM's that supply PCs to them and get their chips inside those putty boxes.

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    2. Re:Intel Dominance by n9hmg · · Score: 1

      Big corporations are so pro-Intel, it makes it tough for the AMDs and Transmetas

      Not necessarily. All of our new screamers are AMD, and we'll be spending most of the 400k/y we would be spending on Suns and HPs buying ourself roughly 18x the compute power (speed/money(distance/time/money=distance/time/tim e=distance, I guess), absolute speed advantage is about 2:1), and they'll probably all be AMDs (hurry up with the Hammer!).

    3. Re:Intel Dominance by Sethb · · Score: 2

      Exactly, I do the PC buying for our division here at the Univeristy of Northern Iowa, and I'm loyal to Dell, not Intel. If Dell shipped an Optiplex series PC with an Athlon, I'd be all over it, though I'd prefer it didn't use a Via chipset if possible...

      I've got a custom Duron at home, and my work machine is a Micron PIII, but I like Dell's tools and support, and the Optiplex series are very easy cases to work on when you've got several hundred to support.

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    4. Re:Intel Dominance by timothy_m_smith · · Score: 1
      If "alternative" processor manufacturers want to make inroads into "big corporations" they are going to have to start buddying up to the OEM's that supply PCs to them and get their chips inside those putty boxes.

      This is a good point. On the desktop side of the game, the chip manufacturers certainly need to team up with OEMs to sell their wares. I do think though, that there is definitely a stigma towards AMD.

      On the server side of the equation, if a company is using x86 server hardward, it seems like a foregone conclusion to go Intel. Aside from the fact that AMD again cannot get the OEM partners, they have been late to the MP game. People in corporate IT are not going to buy AMD for critical server machines. It just isn't happening.
    5. Re:Intel Dominance by Sj0 · · Score: 2

      I'll agree with you about the cases, but it would be even easier if they opened from the front, like a book, rather than from the back. Being able to work on a machine without pulling it away from the wall would be quite a bit more convenient than they have it right now.

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    6. Re:Intel Dominance by morbid · · Score: 0

      "IT departments of "big corporations" don't know an AMD from an Intel from a MC68K (trust me on this one)."

      You should have seen the look I gave one of our IT people at my last job when she put a DOS boot disk in one of my SPARC workstations and reached for the power switch...

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    7. Re:Intel Dominance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS.. as mentioned below the IT world doesn't give a rats ass about the CPU.. and there are plenty of successful companies that don't cater to corporate america.

    8. Re:Intel Dominance by bjb · · Score: 1
      I'd really argue that the corporate IT departments don't care as long as it runs their MS Outlook / Lotus Notes / MS Word / MS Excel / etc...


      In the corporations that I've been in, they know the difference between SPARC and Windows. Quite frankly, they wouldn't have a problem going AMD / NexGen / Cyrix (whatever) if it wasn't that they were stuck by someone's decision to buy only Compaq or Dell or insert-bigname-brand-here

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    9. Re:Intel Dominance by Fire+Princess · · Score: 1

      Note to newbies: "trust me on this one" generally means the poster has
      no clue.

      "Intel Inside" is a multi-year, billion dollar marketing campaign that
      yes, has a big effect on large corporate accounts. The primary reason
      that Intel dominates the non-white-box market (i.e. branded machines)
      is their co-marketing program. Large corporate accounts care about
      things like (a) will you be around in 10 years and (b) can your
      service organization really handle if you get 10.000 new users in a
      single customer account, spread over 40 countries.

      Intel has been good over the years at seeding FUD (fear, uncertainty,
      doubt) in terms of compatibility. AMD is the only alternate player
      left standing (and they were the first, too).

      But in any case this is not relevant for the Transmeta issue. They are
      explicitly targeting highly portable, MSFT software compatible
      solutions (i.e. x86 "PC"). In this particular case we are talking
      about the high-end PDA segment, which is in any case discretionary for
      large corporations. They will tend to say things like "everybody
      should use XP by such-and-such a date". And oqo will do that. So in
      this case they are perfectly big-company compatible.

  5. needs more storage... by mikey504 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, so it doesn't really *need* it, but why not?

    Is the storage solid state? (I can't get the article right now). If not, it seems like they could double the storage without impacting the price. Maybe these are "old" specs?

    1. Re:needs more storage... by technomancerX · · Score: 2

      Or maybe it's using the same ultra-small hard drive as the iPod, which comes in a max of 10GB right now. The thing is only 3"x5"x.9" so this seems likely.

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    2. Re:needs more storage... by iosphere · · Score: 1
      maybe it's using the same ultra-small hard drive as the iPod

      Isn't that exactly what was said in the article?

    3. Re:needs more storage... by sab39 · · Score: 2

      A good suggestion.

      And as it happens, the news.com.com article actually confirms that this is the case. "The OQO uses the same tiny hard drive from Toshiba that Apple Computer incorporates into the latest iPod."

    4. Re:needs more storage... by Bob+McCown · · Score: 2, Funny


      That would imply that a /. poster is actually reading the article...silly you...

    5. Re:needs more storage... by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      Considering it's got a USB port you could even add this - even though it's a bit pricey.

      Hell if you got the cash to lay down on this you can add the above and have it play your media while the 'PC' can work on downloading stuff or something.

      I think the combo would be cool, even cooler if you got a deal of like 10 of the above and just hooked them all up.

    6. Re:needs more storage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only this but Toshiba just announced a 60 GB version of this disk (1.8 " HDD)

  6. This + MMORPGs by RollingThunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This could have a very interesting effect on MMORPG players. Why ever disconnect (unless your internet access fees are exorbitant)? Just pull it from your station at home, play on the bus/carpool to work, and then stash it in your drawer, checking frequently that your macros are still working properly.

    I know I'd find it incredibly usefuly in WW2Online, for those moments I notice a weakness in the front, and just five minutes of game time could make a difference!

    1. Re:This + MMORPGs by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
      If you have to take a car/bus to work, you're probably to far from your WiFi base station to stay connected.

    2. Re:This + MMORPGs by The+Mainframe · · Score: 1

      Mmm... high gain directional antennas... Or perhaps 3G wireless? (Or 2G if you have too much money)

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    3. Re:This + MMORPGs by RollingThunder · · Score: 2

      Not if your cell is bluetooth enabled, though.

      Always running though the cell would suck, though, and you can't change connectivity and stay online on the games... ah well.

    4. Re:This + MMORPGs by 56ker · · Score: 2

      Yes bit transfer speeds over mobile phones (or cell phone - US translation) aren't good enough for games in general.

    5. Re:This + MMORPGs by RollingThunder · · Score: 2

      Is it the bandwidth or the latency, though? Not having a bluetooth cell myself to play with, I don't know where they bottleneck and how.

      I do know, however, that MMORPG designers have been aiming for a long time to make sure that 56k modems will be suitable for their games. It's something that's hampering WW2OL, in fact, because that bandwidth limit means that only 64 players can be visible at any one time.

      If the bandwidth is comparable to a 56k analog modem, it should still be possible to play these games, but I sure wouldn't try Counterstrike over it. ;)

    6. Re:This + MMORPGs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People still play counter-strike... ooooo, that's so 90's of them... freaks

    7. Re:This + MMORPGs by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Do you even know what bluetooth is? It's a technology to replace cables. It's range is maybe 10 meters, max.

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    8. Re:This + MMORPGs by RollingThunder · · Score: 2

      Do you even know how bluetooth works with a cell phone that can get an IP address?

      Cell Provider phone bluetooth computer

      You have the phone on your hip, and your PC gets the connection through it.

    9. Re:This + MMORPGs by Fencepost · · Score: 3, Informative
      With PCS/cellular dialup-style connections in the US, bandwidth is limited to ~9.6 kbps or ~13.3 kbps (not 14.4), depending on the underlying network. These connections simply pull from a pool of voice minutes, so they can be quite cheap on a per-minute basis for heavy users.

      With GPRS connections, bandwidth is much higher but so is cost - the US providers with high-bandwidth solutions seem to be around $40/month for up to 10 MB of traffic during the month. That's not megabytes per second, that's megabytes per month. If you can afford to play MMORPGs over those connections, you probably won't be doing it on the bus because you're probably independently wealthy.

      CDPD ("I'm not dead yet!") is still around, but maxes out at 19.2 Kbps.

      In a few areas Ricochet may yet come back, and that's about the only option for this in the US.

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    10. Re:This + MMORPGs by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that info... definately not very useful for gaming of any kind... well, I guess you could MUD over it alright. ;)

    11. Re:This + MMORPGs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The next incarnation of this WILL have a built- in Cell phone. It will also dispense condoms, pills that build muscles, and an optional genital mitt that will allow you to wirelessly simulate fucking anyone anywhere.

      This is where the world is going. One device. You heard it here first, kids.

    12. Re:This + MMORPGs by ADRA · · Score: 2

      Call networks == Pay by the byte. 14.4kbs in current 2G networks. No matter what someone says, you will not be playing MMORPG's on the bus for at least two years, and even then, expect to pay a small fortune for the 3G costs.

      That is unless there is a major shakeup in teleco's. Of course they are telco's so they'd end up going out of business before changing.

      Here is a question due to a hated and ignorance toward Bluetooth. Can't someone just jump onto your bluetooth connection and leach your connection if they are within proximity, like on a bus? Also, with 100 meter bluetooth, this becomes a little more worrisome.

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  7. sounds great... by cbang4 · · Score: 1

    But you know that's it's probably too good to be true. Most things like that are.

  8. unecessary explanations... by bje2 · · Score: 1

    ...connection ports for FireWire and USB (universal serial bus), and wireless networking connections through...

    i dunno, is it just me?...but i would think anyone who would be reading this summary on slashdot already knows what USB stands for...

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    1. Re:unecessary explanations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uber Sucky Baud? Seriously, too slow for a new machine. go usb 2.0, or just have firewire.

    2. Re:unecessary explanations... by The+Mainframe · · Score: 1

      It comes with firewire. USB 2.0 is, as a friend of mine says, "Silly". USB was originally intended for things like keyboards, joysticks, floppy drives, modems, and other low-bandwidth devices. Hard drives, movie cameras, etc. are supposed to go over firewire. Just because the industry overloaded the USB 1.1 standard with HDDs and CD-ROMs doesn't mean we should agree with it.
      Boycott USB 2.0! Use firewire instead!

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    3. Re:unecessary explanations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find unnecessary explanations condescending.

      That's when someone explains...

      ...Ooops, sooorrry, that was the Poll thread.

  9. transmeta powered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What the heck is transmeta? Liquid? Gas? Have fun with your gadget, but I'll stick with my *electricity* powered portable thank you. And don't complain to me if you can't buy a transmeta refill canister at CompUSA. I never saw any.

    1. Re:transmeta powered? by The+Mainframe · · Score: 1

      Transmeta is a processor that trades speed for efficiency (great for laptops when battery life is everything).

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    2. Re:transmeta powered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Transmeta is a company that makes processors. Crusoe is the processor.

    3. Re:transmeta powered? by istartedi · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not usually one to nitpick over grammar, but I have to admit this bothers me too. The verb "to power" is evolving towards "to be a major integral part of". The first time I noticed this was "powered by Apache". IIRC, I went off on this, perhaps even on /.. "It's powered by electricity doofus, and that's powered mostly by coal in much of Virginia, and coal is mined by sweaty guys from West Virginia, so I'm going to put 'powered by sweaty guys from West Virginia' on my website".

      So, what would be a concise alternative to "powered" in these situations? perhaps "iamipo" for Is A Major Integral Part Of. Slashdot. Iamipoed by Apache. Apache Iamipoes Slashdot. I iamipo, he iamipoes, you iamipo (yes I realize "to be" is irregular, but there is no good reason to introduce another irregular verb. If anything, the Ebonic use of "to be" should become the sanctioned usage to make English more learnable for the rest of the world). How's that?

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    4. Re:transmeta powered? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      The verb "to power" is evolving towards "to be a major integral part of"....It's powered by electricity

      well said. You must have used a lot of brain power.

    5. Re:transmeta powered? by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
      so I'm going to put 'powered by sweaty guys from West Virginia' on my website".

      Eh, depends on what kind of website you run.

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    6. Re:transmeta powered? by al_d · · Score: 1

      "The capacity of a system or machine to operate: a vehicle that runs under its own power." (from http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=power )

      So if Apache gives a web site the capacity to operate, then the site would be "Powered by Apache"

  10. Docking station article goof? by fruey · · Score: 2
    Two different docking stations will also be released with the device. One will allow the PC to be used like a desktop. A second will look like a notebook with a 14-inch screen. However, except for an extra battery and a CD or DVD drive, it will be empty.

    Sounds to me like the second is just a battery and DVD drive - I assume it also has a regular keyboard, and a larger screen, and therefore won't be so "empty" as implied.

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    1. Re:Docking station article goof? by Kraft · · Score: 2

      Spaces are valid in /. usernames. That is SO stupid

      Why is that so stupid?

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    2. Re:Docking station article goof? by fruey · · Score: 1
      Because if I create a new account with the username "Kraft Cheese" then I can post and look like I was you, because everything after the space is ignored in the posting quoteline:-

      by Kraft on Tuesday April 16, @22:21 (#3354188)

      However, I should change my sig, and indeed will, to be clearer about that.

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    3. Re:Docking station article goof? by On+Lawn · · Score: 1

      I have a space. Now what does it do to me again?

  11. Linux makes it work by The+Mainframe · · Score: 1

    The question is:
    Does linux install on it easily? For most distros, 10GB HDD and 256MB RAM is kick-ass. Add a wireless card and the sick battery life that machine should get, and I'm looking at a perfect take-everywhere client machine. As long as you have a server somewhere that's holding all your big files, this machine is the perfect portable.

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    1. Re:Linux makes it work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's already got wireless built in. I don't think there would be a problem getting linux on this, the question is more like, if there is driver support for the ethernet/usb/firewire/wireless/video devices on this, in linux. Hopefully they're standard off the shelf components/chipsets. I would get one of these things, it's a cool concept for a device, I wouldn't have to shutdown my laptop anymore to go to work. Just undock and slip it into my pocket.

  12. The text from cnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative



    Start-up shrinks PC to palm size
    By Michael Kanellos
    Staff Writer, CNET News.com
    April 16, 2002, 9:45 AM PT

    First there was the pocket calculator. Then there was the pocket organizer. And if start-up OQO gets its way, the next big thing will be the pocket PC.

    The Seattle-based company is showing off a full-fledged "ultra personal" computer this week at Microsoft's WinHEC 2002 conference. The computer is slightly thicker but roughly the same size as handhelds currently coming out from Palm or Hewlett-Packard.

    The major difference is that the OQO device, which will come out in the second half of the year for around $1,000, is a complete Windows XP computer. Along with Windows, it will come with a 5800 Crusoe processor from Transmeta, a 10GB hard drive, 256MB of memory, connection ports for FireWire and USB (universal serial bus), and wireless networking connections through either WiFi or Bluetooth.

    The screen measures just four inches in diameter, roughly the same size as those on a Palm, but the company will also sell docking stations so that it can be used like a normal desktop or laptop. The device measures 3 inches by 5 inches, is 0.9-inches thick and weighs about half a pound.

    "We see this as 'This is your only computer,'" said Colin Hunter, executive vice president of OQO. "It isn't a PDA (personal digital assistant). With this device you can dock it in and it is your PC."

    The hardware market is notoriously harsh on start-ups. Other companies, including a Taiwanese manufacturer called Saint Song, have also tried to promote miniature PCs before. OQO executives and partners, however, say that current market circumstances have opened opportunities for super-small devices.

    The technological foundation to make robust, miniature computers finally exists, for example. The OQO uses the same tiny hard drive from Toshiba that Apple Computer incorporates into the latest iPod. The company also worked with Micron to ensure that memory could be packed into the device as densely as possible.

    A lot of the design work at OQO, which was founded by engineers who worked on Apple's Titanium PowerBook went toward reducing the size of the power supply and the overall integration of the components, Hunter said.

    Another factor at play supporting handhelds is that consumers and corporate America have become acclimated to portability. The explosive growth, until recently, of handheld devices and cell phones established the market for portable devices.

    Once the infrastructure for wireless networking is established, ultra-portable PCs will become more popular than PDAs because they can do more, said Dave Ditzel, chief technology officer of Transmeta. Plus, it also gets rid of the data synchronization problem because everything moves to one device.

    "You can do full Web browsing with Internet Explorer. You can't do that on a PDA," he said. The Crusoe processor inside the OQO, he noted, runs at 800MHz and contains 512KB of cache, a data reservoir for quick data access. Current handheld processors max out at 206MHz and have much smaller caches.

    The OQO is actually the first of a wave of computers with nontraditional designs. The device weighs 250 grams, about half a pound, but there are other computers coming out that will weigh 800 grams. PC manufacturers will also begin to show off tablets that can convert into notebooks, Ditzel said.

    "This is a smaller form factor than Microsoft envisioned," he said. "There is a trend toward everything getting smaller."

    Despite the faster chip, the batteries on the OQO run about 9.5 hours, Ditzel and Hunter said. Although the Crusoe processor runs on fairly low amounts of energy, the small screen size helps enormously.

    Two different docking stations will also be released with the device. One will allow the PC to be used like a desktop. A second will look like a notebook with a 14-inch screen. However, except for an extra battery and a CD or DVD drive, it will be empty. The OQO will slide into a slot.

    The first version of the OQO measures 0.9-inches thick, but thinner versions will follow, Hunter added.

    1. Re:The text from cnet by The+Mainframe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "We see this as 'This is your only computer,'" said Colin Hunter, executive vice president of OQO. "It isn't a PDA (personal digital assistant). With this device you can dock it in and it is your PC."

      I don't see this as my only computer... I just see it as taking up where handhelds leave off. Anyone remember the Apple Newton? That's what I want in a handheld. A fully functional computer with great battery life. I'm not looking for a desktop replacement ("portable desktop" might be more accurate) since I need a desktop for a lot of what I do. I'm not looking for a Palm/WinCE device, since I want more features than they offer. I'm looking for an instant-on, compact, take-anywhere, digital notebook. I'm out to replace pens and paper.

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    2. Re:The text from cnet by NETHED · · Score: 1

      AMEN! COULDN'T have said it better myself

      (Still using a Sharp Mobilon Tripad as portable desktop, but would LOVE one of these)

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    3. Re:The text from cnet by Eccles · · Score: 5, Funny

      The screen measures just four inches in diameter

      [Boggled look] The screen is round?

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    4. Re:The text from cnet by TotallyUseless · · Score: 1

      they were going for that porthole look

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    5. Re:The text from cnet by Sgs-Cruz · · Score: 1
      I'm looking for an instant-on, compact, take-anywhere, digital notebook. I'm out to replace pens and paper.

      Instant-On + Windows XP = Rap + Music or Military + Intelligence

      :)

      -Cruz

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    6. Re:The text from cnet by fdisk3hs · · Score: 0

      I agree. I've been using an old P100 Compaq with an 11" display, about 1.5" thick, 2.2.x Slackware for a couple years, I love it. I got a new job and they gave me a 1GHz Gateway with a 15.7" display (holy jesus) and a burner, etc.
      I hate the Gateway. Too hot, too big, can't see the TV over top of the screen, battery hog.
      I read about the Crusoe-based machines a few months ago and wish they would have asked me what I wanted...

    7. Re:The text from cnet by The+Mainframe · · Score: 1

      Yeah.. i'm assuming that the first thing I'd do to this machine would be to run fdisk and install Debian.

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  13. /. effect by NETHED · · Score: 1

    Not ever 6 minutes before the site was /.ed.

    I've often wondered about the costs of /. to a site are. We have to remember that bandwidth DOES cost money at most server farms. If a server farm is hosting a site that was /.ed, and other accounts are affected (other than the one that was targeted by /.), what happens?

    just my 2cents

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    1. Re:/. effect by The+Mainframe · · Score: 1

      Most server farms own bandwidth far in excess of what they'll ever use. Check out www.rackspace.com... they say they use something like 13% of their available bandwidth. It's not bandwidth that slashdot eats as much a CPU cycles... it takes a lot to process 10,000 requests.

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    2. Re:/. effect by jacoplane · · Score: 2

      Hopefully we'll be able to counter the effect soon. The tech is there, it just needs to happen

    3. Re:/. effect by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Informative

      A friend of mine had a site that was slashdotted. His bandwidth got saturated, which limited the number of incoming requests, and the cpu hit (although he was on business-class cable, so he didn't have the bandwidth racksace might have).

      His real problem was that his apache logs ballooned and the system became unresponsive (from the excessive IO transfer and possibly a kernel panic). After rebooting, his web server disk was so full of errors, he had to go to backup.

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    4. Re:/. effect by Rebel+Patriot · · Score: 1
      The hardware market is notoriously harsh on start-ups.

      Apparently the bandwidth market is too!

      --
      Slackware forever. Honestly, what else would you trust when it absolutely positively has to be stable, secure, and easy
    5. Re:/. effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      what else would you trust when it absolutely positively has to be stable, secure, and easy

      Anna Nicole Smith.

  14. Oxymoron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Transmeta and "high-end" in the same sentence? What a joke. Those guys spin FUD about their vaporware as well as anyone.

    Now Transmeta and "HIGH" in the same sentence - that's more like it.

  15. Diameter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "The screen measures just four inches in diameter"

    How is diameter useful in describing a rectangular screen? Did I learn a different defintion of diameter from everyone else, or is this just very poor writing? I know it can be used for shapes other than circles, but I don't think this use is right.

    I hate these putzes who get to write reviews of cool stuff but really have no writing or tech credentials (I submit to you those 2 clowns on zdnet, josh taylor or john something, 2 retards to do piss-poor reviews on cool, new products)

    1. Re:Diameter? by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2
      OK, the guy almost certainly meant "four inches diagonally". He screwed up. Somebody should have caught it, but the spell checker passed it so it got missed. It's not so much poor writing as it is poor editing, and it's not all that bad. Move on with your life.

      (BTW, "definition")

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    2. Re:Diameter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You DO have to learn what diameter is. As strange as it sounds, any non-empty set of points (in a metric space ...) has a diameter (and this is a positive number, or +inf). For a rectangle this is exactly the length of the diag.

    3. Re:Diameter? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      You DO have to learn what diameter is....For a rectangle this is exactly the length of the diag.

      Exactly. a dia-meter. It measures the diagonal.

  16. Hell Yeah! by ebonic+plague · · Score: 1

    What you gonna do with all that high speed FireWire data transit when you ain't got no hard drive space to store it? I hope they gettin kick-backs from the external drive and removable media fools.

    --
    Na'am sayin?
  17. FUD by Zelet · · Score: 4, Informative

    That is pure and simple FUD and you know it. I am running a 650mHz PIII with 256 Megs and 11 Gig and I have more than enought room for everything plus. XP runs just as stable and fast as any Linux box with KDE or Gnome running. (for those of us who like a GUI)

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    1. Re:FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, going a little off topic here but that is not my experience. I just got a brand new IBM A Series PIII 1.2GHz 384MB 40 Gig laptop with WinXP Pro. Everything seems fine when running standalone. But if I connect to a network, forget it. Continual lock-ups.

      Mapped network drives seem to be an especially bad hangup. I've been running the machine for about a week and I can't count the number of Office crashes (caused by network drives, I think) where it wants to send feedback to Microsoft.

      Booting and shutdown also take about 200% longer if I'm connected to a network. I also had to disable the wireless card because it was causing so much trouble for XP.

      I know I'm not alone on this either because I've talked to other people who have similar network problems with XP.

    2. Re:FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      XP hasn't been around for long enough to compete with Linux, and all estimates show that it can't. How many security holes have been found? The patches that have been released affect stability quite a bit, too. And XP simply *cannot* compete with Unix; it takes up way too much memory.

    3. Re:FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Comedy is when you fall down an open manhole cover and die.

      How can anyone fall down an open cover?

    4. Re:FUD by Zelet · · Score: 1

      I totally agree that Unix/Linux is the way to go for server and high end usage. XP is a great desktop OS though. I doubt many people are going to disagree with me there. As for the networking issues mentioned earlier, I haven't experienced any of these. I would probably say that Linux/XP are about the same for ease of wireless networking when using RedHat and SuSE 7.2.

      As for the comment about an "open cover" I don't know... you are going to have to ask Mel Brooks about that...

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      ...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
    5. Re:FUD by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. XP 'compete' with linux??? Computers are tools people. XP plays the games I want to play. It's stable. It's a decent enviroment for my development. I'd never, ever, consider it for a server. That's what UNIX does well. It's not PC vs. Mac vs. Windows vs. Linux it's whatever does the job RIGHT NOW!!!! When Linux gets to the point when it's a slick as windows as a GUI, then maybe I'll migrate fully. Till then....

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      "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
    6. Re:FUD by zer0*ryok0 · · Score: 1

      thats the thing about linux though... want a slick gui? contribute, add.

      you dont hafto program, just send your ideas to one of the many MANY, window managers out there.

      thats how linux gets better.

      --
      the only fact is that everything is an opinion
  18. ... Something similar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The Fujitsu P-Series:
    Transmeta 5800
    256M ram
    20Gig drive
    Available with optional builtin wireless
    Builtin firewire, ethernet, modem, usb, s-video out and optical digital audi out
    builtin (removable) DVD drive / burner
    3.5 pounds...
    Runs Linux...

  19. Windows XP by 56ker · · Score: 1, Troll

    "it will come with a 5800 Crusoe processor from Transmeta, a 10GB hard drive, 256MB of memory, connection ports for FireWire and USB (universal serial bus), and wireless networking connections through either WiFi or Bluetooth.'"

    Sheesh - you need all that just to run XP? ;o)

    1. Re:Windows XP by gangibson · · Score: 1

      Well... yeah! Except maybe that 10GB hard drive is a bit on the small side... ;)

  20. Re:Windows everywhere? by The+Mainframe · · Score: 1

    I don't agree. I think that Palm OS has a niche to fill, and it does it very well. If you're looking to replace your daytimer, then a Palm OS device is perfect. This is not an organizer, it's a teensy laptop. With wireless. And a color screen. And a 10GB HDD... 256MB RAM...
    Drool.

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    --Bennett Prescott
    Former Lord Of Packets
  21. am i missing something? by djcatnip · · Score: 0

    I thought the whole point of the crusoe was that it doesn't have to run windows? Something about being able to emulate processors?

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    1. Re:am i missing something? by zeno_2 · · Score: 1

      I believe what your referring to is that the transmeta crusoe processor translates x86 code into its own native code which can be optimized at runtime. Quite a bit of buzzwords there, I hope I explained it correctly. Doesn't have much to do with Windows itself per se..

    2. Re:am i missing something? by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Imagine .NET on these puppies. C# munged down to Microslog's intermediate language, compiled to Intel code, which is then fooged into Transmetacode. Why don't we start a bit higher up the language food chain and stop wasting all those forkin' cycles...

    3. Re:am i missing something? by zeno_2 · · Score: 1

      haha ya, no kiddin.. Throw vmware in the picture and you got yourself quite a mess =)

  22. "Transmeta" and "High-end"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't using those two words to describe one product an oxymoron?

  23. Buzzword alert!!! Buzzword alert!!!! by dgrgich · · Score: 1

    Seems this company thinks the recent paradigm shift in informational technology flow has resulted in a groupthink that points to a
    wireless device with a pricepoint below $1k.

    Why is it that the heavier the use of buzzwords by a site directly correlates to a heavier use of Flash? I bet I could get grant money to study that!

  24. 10G? by garcia · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Under $1000 maybe. I don't consider this so much of "vaporware" though.

    I just can't see why you would try to hop into a market that has already shunned you several times before w/a device that seems so weak.

    256 is nice but the 10G is just too small these days. I have a 10G drive in my desktop that I have to keep under control (I have a 20G just for music) I could not imagine having to lug around a laptop that had so little space.

    What do I know though, right?

    1. Re:10G? by afidel · · Score: 1

      It's small(hehe the desktop I type this from is only a couple years old and it's hdd is 8GB) because it is physically small, aka it's a pccard sized hdd, the same one as the new model ipod's. Since the new iPod's cost $500 and this is a full fledged pc with 256MB ram, a fast cpu and all the other things that a PC implies for under $1000 I'd say it's probably a good deal.

      --
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    2. Re:10G? by geoffeg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I'm sure they wanted to put a larger hard drive in the unit but since they are using the small hard drive from Toshiba (the one that comes in the iPod) I don't think they had much of a choice what with only 5 and 10 gig versions.

      Regardless, this thing seems pretty well connected. With that connectivity, why not store your mp3's on an external drive/system? Then you can just stream your music via samba or http or something to the device? You could probably have a small (1 gig or so) "cache" of your favorite songs at the time. I'd love to have an mp3 player with a built in 802.11[a|b] card. My home and my workplace have wireless internet access so I'd just need an hour or so of music for the commute and such.

      Looks like a pretty cool device but I'd want to see if the small screen is crisp enough to read and browse the web with.

      Geoffeg

    3. Re:10G? by fean · · Score: 1

      With Firewire on the unit, you can very easily have a firewire drive for slow-access storage (i.e. mp3's, DivX, etc)

      keep in mind that this isn't a laptop... this is a iPaq/Palm style machine, which plugs into a shell to become a laptop, or a desktop...

      imagine running 3D games on an iPaq style machine?

      *Damn compaq and their stupid naming conventions.... "Let's call everything iPaq, so nobody will ever know what other people are talking about"... yeah.. not a good idea.... anyways, when I say iPaq, I'm talking about the PocketPC line

    4. Re:10G? by Sleepyguy · · Score: 1

      there is actually a 20gb drive from toshibia in roughly the same form factor, i belive its about 9mm thicker though.

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    5. Re:10G? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see a VERY hi-res screen on such a device. Say, about 1280x1024.

    6. Re:10G? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be so inpractical on a 4 inch display it's not funny, you'd need a magnifying glass just to find the start button, what would be cooler would be a hook up for that retinal display device.

    7. Re:10G? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firewire is not Slow, slow access my butt. It's 400 Megabit, it's fast enought to carry DVD Qaulity video, actually it's better than DVD, as it's not as compressed as MPeg 2. You could hook your digital camcorder up to this thing, and edit video in the field. Or even capture video directly to it.

  25. Imagine the uses by ssyladin · · Score: 1

    Despite this thing sounding like ware de la vapor, imagine the possibilities. All you need is a monitor, a plug, mouse and keyboard and you have your desktop. Need to demo on client's site? No need to checkout a laptop from the corp and forget to change the previous person's nudie pic on the background. Need to download e-mail? Wireless phone right there, or plug in at any internet cafe (hey, they just have to buy $250 for the aux. equipment, not a $2000 machine). Don't have sync problems, can turn it into a laptop, etc. But, you lose it, you're screwed. Also, great technology if you're into the digital soldier concept - only 1 lb for 9.5 hours, and enough processing power to do all the targeting, recon, etc. stuff our boys do.

  26. Linux by LowellPorter · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It would be cool if Linux could be ported to it!

    1. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, are an idiot.

    2. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude. . I think that is kinda of obvoius .. unless your being sarcastic?. Its a standard PC ofcousre it could run linux:P

  27. What is this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Universal Serial Bus? What does it do? Does it run in Linux? Will it work with my Amiga?

  28. Boot time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will I have to wait >3 minutes just to start it up?

  29. WTF? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The screen measures just four inches in diameter"

    Um, so is oQo introducing the hot new 1940s-style-television round-screen craze to the market, too?

    - A.P.

    --
    "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The screen measures just four inches in diameter"
      Um, so is oQo introducing the hot new 1940s-style-television round-screen craze to the market, too?

      Diameter is defined to be the supremum of distances between pairs of points in a metric space. It is a common mistake to implicitly assume diameter only refers to roughly circular objects, since this property isn't often used when describing other objects.

  30. Stock Motherboard? by mac123 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Sounds remarkably like the machine I'm typing from now:

    http://www.fujitsupc.com/www/products_notebooks.sh tml?products/notebooks/p2000

    With less hard disk and no CDRW/DVD

    1. Re:Stock Motherboard? by PunchMonkey · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention twice as big and almost twice the price. I'm also going to guess it has a shorter battery life.

      Although the builtin wireless is pretty slick :)

      --
      I'll have something intelligent to add one of these days...
    2. Re:Stock Motherboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Fujitsu looks cool, but there is no option to purchase without XP... Any Linux support?

    3. Re:Stock Motherboard? by mac123 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, its 50% more money, and that is easily explainable due to the removal of the CDRW/DVD drive, smaller disk and smaller screen..all else is identical "spec-wise"

      As for the size, when you dump the CDRW (1//2 the length of the machine) and shrink the screen and use a 1.8" hard drive (instead of 2.5"), you get the aforementioned device.

      Oh..and you can order it with 802.11B wireless integrated.

      Also check the Sony Picturebook for size/specs.

      I sincerely think it is a stock motherboard someone has put together.

    4. Re:Stock Motherboard? by CraigoFL · · Score: 2

      I was looking at the Fujitsu P-series a while back... it looks like a very cool device. However, I was concerned about DVD movie playback on the Curusoe processor. In your experience, does it have the power to properly decode the MPEG2 from a DVD movie entirely through software? And would doing that kill the battery? My goal is to find a small/lightweight (and preferably cheap) notebook that I can use to watch movies on flights in addition to checking emails/writing docs, etc. Craig

    5. Re:Stock Motherboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One word: iBook.

      Cheaper than the P-Series you were looking at. $1299 includes DVD and 4 hours of battery life, and you get a great OS instead of XP.

    6. Re:Stock Motherboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVD Playback is quite smooth. And the screen is bascially 16x9 ,so its good for widescreen movies. Also has very good sound on headphones.

      I was gonna get a portable DVD player($800)for the car, and also needed a new subnotebook...now I have both.

      I'm running XP Pro, and have Connectix Virtual PC running a virtual Red Hat "system" for Linux. Works great.

    7. Re:Stock Motherboard? by arglesnaf · · Score: 1

      What sort of video does this have? I have been wanting an ultraportable machine that I can still FPS on. (with it plugged into a wall of course)

      I hate pulling the 19" tower to lan parties.

  31. newton by simpl3x · · Score: 1

    while it certainly was/is not a pc replacement, the newton was very cool. osx on an ipod like device with that gigawire stuff connecting the juice and display device would be quite nice. Hello apple! oh yah, steve didn't like the newton, but woulda bought palm!?

  32. First Hug A Root Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you hugged a root today?

  33. license by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    looks great however the license code conflicts with the microsoft license so we have to say no

  34. Why??? by OneFix · · Score: 2

    This looks kewl and all, but why are ppl trying to get PC functionality from a Handheld device...Handhelds are good at things like keeping appointments, names, reading short E-Mails, Reading E-Books, Math, and generally doing simple tasks...

    And why XP? There are no real handheld apps built for it.

    Some ppl in the handheld industry are trying too much...

    Granted, Bluetooth will be a nice feature once it becomes standard...but that's not what they've done here...

    Lets see...I can buy a decent Palm for Real Notebook for less than $1000 total. Now, you might argue that the notebook is cumbersome...this might be so, but then you get a 13 inch screen as opposed to a 4 inch screen...

    Handhelds are a tool, they are not a replacement for a Notebook/Desktop...those solutions work very nicely for their intended purpose.

    1. Re:Why??? by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The concept is still interesting. From what I gathered from the article, what they want this thing to do is make this your 'one computer'. So when you're at home, dock it and a big screen monitor and keyboard and mouse are all up and running. When you go somewhere, undock it and take it with you.

      I find this concept interesting. I have both a desktop and a laptop, and to tell you the truth I'm a little sick of trying to keep everything sync'd. There are some apps where the laptop excels for it's mobility, and then there's my desktop which is just a better layout for woking in.

      Coming from the point of view of 'All you need is this device' instead of using a PDA as an accessory to my computer, I'd say it's a pretty cool idea.

      As for XP, I remember a while back they announed some sort of interface for XP that was geared for Television. The idea was that the buttons had to be big and tuned to the app that it was running. Presumably, this type of interface would also facilitate using Windows XP in lower resolution modes, including that of a PDA. If that's the case, then this device may take advantage of that functionality.

      As for the apps, I think you have a good point. Existing apps may behave kind of funny on it. I'm curious if they'll have to wedge IE into the smaller form factor, of if they have some other trick up their sleeve.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    2. Re:Why??? by OneFix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not saying the concept isn't interesting, but I don't think the concept works in the long-run.

      I personally like the idea that I have all of my information on 2 or 3 different physical devices. It makes crashes and hardware failures less catastophic...(if I drop my palm pilot, I don't lose all of my financial information)

      Which brings me to another point, some things I keep on my desktop I don't want/need on a Handheld.

      As for the idea of the 4inch screen, I have to belive that they are limited to current consumer grade LCD technology which limits a 4 inch screen to no larger than ~400x400 which, for this OS would be awkward at best...

      Anyone who has tried to use a 640x480 screen resolution recently knows the pain involved in using any resolution under 800x600 (and in some cases 1024x768).

      I don't think that this is a very modular design...and for most ppl, that is a big benefit of having a desktop... Now, looking at the thickness of the unit, I'ld also have to belive that the notebook dock would be thicker than most notebooks. Which brings me to an interesting point...Even though it's supposed to be light, the thing looks damned thick for a handheld.

      Notebooks did this for a while, but they all kinda died...there are some residual things like port replicators that came out of it, but the idea of a notebook that docks to form a complete desktop kinda died. One reason is that the combined cost was more expensive than buying 2 seperate units and the fact that notebooks kind of matured into the equivalent of a desktop.

  35. The Great /. Blackout by IAmSancho · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    http://slashdot.org/~rho/journal/5872

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    Stupid people suck.

  36. This is Bullshit by thelizman · · Score: 1

    I totally submitted this story hours ago...and it got rejected. Slashdots editors are phuqed.

    It's a good thing I save all my /. subs at my web site.

    (This is not grousing, this is a legitimate bitch - there's a difference).

    1. Re:This is Bullshit by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2, Offtopic
      Well, thank God you save your submissions. Maybe you can ask the refs for an instant replay call.

      BTW, I noticed your plan:

      Before I leave civilian life in August, I am going to launch my own competitive endeavour to counter /.'s totalitarian control of the media. Basically, it will consist of a /. like site where people can submit stories, and others can then comment on them. However, the placement and popularity of a topic will be up to the readership, as every viewer will get to either vote yeah or neigh to a particular piece or comment, allowing the readership to determine the popularity of a storey

      Not to belabor the obvious, but have you looked at k5? Scoop might be a good basis for you.

      "Totalitarian control of the media", though? Maybe you need to get out more. AOL/Time-Warner/God Inc. might have some "totalitarian control", but the people who read Slashdot are just a bunch of riff-raff goofing around to impress ourselves. It's like a cable-access channel, without the production values -- Wayne and Garth on a budget.

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    2. Re:This is Bullshit by ProfMoriarty · · Score: 1
      people who read Slashdot are just a bunch of riff-raff goofing around to impress ourselves

      Well ... DUH ...

      I mean if Slashdot was the size of NBC ... it would be MSSlashdot ... the joint venture.

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    3. Re:This is Bullshit by thelizman · · Score: 1

      Not to belabor the obvious, but have you looked at k5 [kuro5hin.org]? Scoop might be a good basis for you.

      Damn, thanks for taking the wind out of my sails : )

      I'll probaby finish it if for no other reason to make a Miva alterantive to slashcode available.

      Totalitarian control of the media", though? Maybe you need to get out more.

      Why? I don't make distinction between iron-fisted dictators and tin-pot dictators.

    4. Re:This is Bullshit by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2
      Well, if open source is about anything, it's about choices -- go for it.

      I wasn't really questioning the "totalitarian" part -- Rob & Co. don't really pretend otherwise (it's their world, we just live in it). It's more the "media", unless you meant "medium", so "this site" rather than "all channels of communication" (You know, like "The gray aliens, working with the Knights Templar, control the media".)

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  37. Sweet! by jbum · · Score: 1

    Coolness. Now just add a real monitor and an external CD-ROM drive and a full-sized slot for my Radeon 8500 so I can play Max Payne oh yeah, and an actual keyboard and this'll be one sweeet box!!

  38. Crusoe benchmark comparisons? by cpfeifer · · Score: 2

    I see from the article that it's an 800mhz processor, but does anyone know how it compares in performance to other 800mhz processors? Yes, I did the requisite Google search but didn't come up with any hard data.

    It sounds like a great litte box at a great price, but if it sucks to write/compile code on, it's little more than a shiny toy.

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    1. Re:Crusoe benchmark comparisons? by n9hmg · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of this Charm-IT wearable, but for my purposes, I like the OQO better (I'm not swimming in spare cash).

    2. Re:Crusoe benchmark comparisons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can tell you its at least 1/2 if not slower, I used one of the sony picture books with the transmeda 733mhz and was unable to decode a divx movie in real time, while a PII400 is able to play the same movie file no problem.

    3. Re:Crusoe benchmark comparisons? by $carab · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hate to say this to all you Linus-junkies, but the Crusoe processor runs SIGNIFICANTLY slower than a similar Intel or AMD processor.

      For instance, check this out. The Crusoe laptop does SIGNIFICANTLY worse than the other "ultra-portables". The hyped "larger cache" is an absolute necessity for the Transmeta processors; they rely on the larger cache to do stuff like "code morphing", because Crusoe is naturally a 128-bit proc, and all these apps are 32-bit, kinda like an emulation mode. That's really why the larger cache is necessary.

      I would imageine, however, that a Linux distro with all software compiled on a crusoe would run a lot faster than Windows XP.

    4. Re:Crusoe benchmark comparisons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was looking at the Fujitsu Lifebook P-2040 for some time, which also has the 800 Mhz Transmeta processor. Here are some benchmarks for it:

      http://www.leog.net/_fujp/00000040.htm

      and there's a Japanese site as well:
      http://homepage2.nifty.com/DS1/LOOX/index.html

      http://www.excite.co.jp/world/url/body?wb_url=http %3A%2F%2Fhomepage2.nifty.com%2FDS1%2FLOOX%2F003.ht ml&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2 (translated version)

      Basically, it's roughly equivalent to a 600 Mhz PIII laptop. Enough processing power to view fairly high bitrate DIVX encodes and to software DVD playback. The Code Morphing is roughly analagous to Java's JITC - my firsthand experience on the Fujitsu is that the initial loading of apps is slow, but once they start going they run fine.

    5. Re:Crusoe benchmark comparisons? by shren · · Score: 2

      You're failing to consider one line from the article:

      Part of this low score may occur because the Winstone benchmark test does not repeat tasks, which minimizes the opportunities for the Code Morphing technology to have an effect.

      Regardless of how SIGNIFICANT the difference under speed testing programs, the difference might be less SIGNIFICANT under normal use. Just a little SIGNIFICANT point you left out.

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      Maybe the state's highest function is to grind out insoluble problems. (Zelazny, Hall of Mirrors)
    6. Re:Crusoe benchmark comparisons? by evanbd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Crusoe comments...

      As somebody using a Toshiba Libretto L1, with a 600MHz crusoe chip in it, I think I can offer some insight.. basically, the 600MHz crusoe is similar to 450MHz PII. So... yeah, it's slow. But the speed is fine. I'm currently running Debian with Mozilla + KDE as my main apps. But then, I only really do basic web browsing, etc on it.

      Also, you can't compile for the Crusoe. it spends a lot of memory on code morphing caches (16MB of main memory), and looks to all the world like an x86 chip. And it's very much an emulation mode... only thing is, you can't get out of it. Which Transmeta sees as a good thing, 'cause they can change the underlying chip without anyone noticing from one rev to the next... the 5800 could have a different ISA from the 5600, if they wanted. They haven't said, so I assume it doesn't, but still...

    7. Re:Crusoe benchmark comparisons? by stripes · · Score: 2
      the 5800 could have a different ISA from the 5600, if they wanted. They haven't said, so I assume it doesn't, but still...

      It is different, but not hugely different. If you read their white pages they discuss a few of the differences.

  39. probably indicative of too much flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    might the site have lasted longer if it was serving up html and [jpg,png] files? we can only wonder....

  40. Tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    maybe if you didnt have a criminal for a mum and bragged about it proudly you might of got somewhere

    lesson to be learned perhaps ?

  41. Speaking of Vapor... by Mignon · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I don't know about the product, but we turned the site into vapor.

    1. Re:Speaking of Vapor... by ProfMoriarty · · Score: 1

      Hmmm ... maybe the site should have been running on of the ultra-portables ...

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  42. link and text of Transmeta's release by fiendo · · Score: 3, Informative

    To alleviate DoS effect:

    http://www.transmeta.com/about/press/special_pre ss / qo_16apr02.html

    "Seattle, Washington - April 16, 2002 - OQO (pronounced "oh-q-oh"), today at Microsoft's WinHEC Conference, announced the world's first ultra-personal computer, representing a new PC category that could transform personal computing the same way the cell phone has revolutionized telecommunications.

    OQO's first product is a highly functional and versatile handheld wireless computer that easily becomes a notebook or desktop PC. Measuring just 4.9 x 2.9 x 0.9 [inches] and weighing less than nine ounces, OQO's PC is a full-function computer running Microsoft Windows XP Professional and incorporating up to a 1GHz Crusoe TM5800 processor from Transmeta Corporation (NASDAQ:TMTA); four inch, super bright VGA color LCD; Synaptics touchscreen; 256MB onboard RAM; 10GB+ hard drive; 1394 FireWire, USB, audio, OQO-link connectors; and 802.11b and Bluetooth wireless networking.

    "We're impressed with the direction that OQO is showing in developing its ultra-mobile, ultra-connected Windows XP-based PC," said Jim Allchin, group vice president of the Platforms Group at Microsoft Corp." These types of small-form-factor PCs, with their ability to deliver the power and richness of Windows any time and anywhere, will enable exciting new user experiences and opportunities."

    "The OQO device represents an exciting new mobile computing platform that delivers full desktop applications in a handheld form factor," said Tim Bajarin, computer industry analyst and president, Creative Strategies, Inc. "It clearly breaks new ground and opens the door to a new category in mobile personal computing."

    As a standalone device, OQO's ultra-personal computer slips easily into a shirt pocket. When inserted into an OQO-designed enclosure, it becomes a notebook PC. When placed in a cradle with a standard screen and keyboard, it becomes a desktop PC. This modular design allows for ease of use and convenience when traveling, whether to and from the office, across the country, or around the world.

    "Modular computers have been identified as one of the most desirable form factors by Giga's IT audience every time we have surveyed for it," said Rob Enderle, research fellow for Giga Information Group. "This is one concept that actually could transform the technology industry and ensure a more steady revenue stream preceded by unprecedented--and potentially incredible--growth."

    "After years of designing Apple and IBM laptops, the OQO team felt the time had come for the next step--but a revolutionary one--of the full-featured, wireless PC." said Jory Bell, president and CEO, OQO. "We wanted an ultra-personal computer that you always carry, but that was still powerful enough to be your only PC. We sought a device that incorporates wireless access as a central idea to the whole mobile experience. Moreover, we tried to instantiate something that would make people optimistic about the future."

    "Crusoe is a catalyst for innovative, small, cool and quiet computing for emerging wireless platforms," said David Ditzel, vice-chairman and chief technology officer, Transmeta Corporation. "Until Crusoe, no one imagined that you could run Windows XP on a computer weighing less than nine ounces."

    The first OQO PCs are expected to be commercially available from leading consumer electronics manufacturers in the second half of 2002.

    OQO was founded in 1999 and is based San Francisco. The company includes executives, engineers and designers with exceptional credentials, including key positions at Apple Computer (Powerbook Design), Caltech Jet Propulsion Laboratory, IBM Almaden Research, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Oracle Corporation and Transmeta Corporation."

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    1. Re:link and text of Transmeta's release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to sound skeptical, but how exactly has the cellphone "revolutionized" telecommunications? That you can carry your phone with you is the only big difference, and it only seems to have made the phone more intrusive. That is, noone talks to so many more people than they would have before, they just expect them to be available at any time (they aren't). Things are different, yes, but revolutionary?

  43. The coolest part by rveno1 · · Score: 1

    if you look at the specs on this computer (at OQO.com)

    it says "- media player mode with enough memory for 1000 songs or three feature length movies"

    All I gotta say is I hope the MPAA/RIAA dont get ahold of this quote and secondly you can only fit 3 movies (I thought DIVX took care of that)

  44. Graphics Chipset by Link-chan · · Score: 1

    What is the point of the oQo if it doesn't have a good graphics chipset? It will only be useful for web browsing and word processing. I'd rather get a decent notebook with a Radeon 7500 Mobility. It wouldn't be much bigger than the oQo.

  45. Yeah Right by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2

    It's not vaporware -- you just won't see it until about 6 months after it is no longer relevant.

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  46. The now obligitory.... by Britissippi · · Score: 1

    "Hey! Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!"

    *SMACK*(thud)

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    1. Re:The now obligitory.... by Parsec · · Score: 1

      Awww man, I wuz gonna say that!

      Seriously, though, this could be the basis of an ultra-low power web server cluster, complete with battery backup.

      It's still too big and bulky, but this is the beginning of the disappearance of computers from sight. The only way we'll know they're there in 20 years is from their user interfaces (display, voice, tactile).

      Anyone working with voice recognition and synthesis in Linux? Maybe this is a good "Ask Slashdot" topic.

  47. 4" diagonal is too llittle by theolein · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine being able to use Windows (or any desktop OS for that matter) on a screen that small. I think 10" would be the absolute minimum in pure ergonimcal terms. What would be usuable would be the Sharp PDA interface running on top of Linux with the ability to switch to KDE or GNOME when plugged into a docking station.

    1. Re:4" diagonal is too llittle by djmurdoch · · Score: 2

      I think 10" would be the absolute minimum in pure ergonimcal terms.

      I've been using a Toshiba Libretto 70 with a 6.5" screen for about 4 years, and it's just usable. You don't really want to have more than one window on screen at once, you can't write code where you need to see more than about 20 lines at a time (but that's a good thing :-). The big advantage of this little machine over a desktop replacement notebook is that it's quite reasonable to have it with you *all* the time.

      I wish somebody was making a machine like the Libretto these days. My 70 only takes 32 Meg of RAM, and that's just not enough any more. The closest I've seen with a usable screen and keyboard are the new Fujitsu P Series machines, but they are noticeably bigger than the Libretto (and way bigger than the oQo).

    2. Re:4" diagonal is too llittle by cooperj72 · · Score: 1

      Do you need to overcompensate for something?

  48. worthy of apple by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
    If apple was taking a shot at the handheld market today, I would expect the hardware to be something like this (without WinXP of course.)

    Great job, Transmeta! Now it is time to turn vapour into reality!

    1. Re:worthy of apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well why not. Apple could buy these and rewrite the bios to run PPC code. Thats what transmeta is all about right?

  49. Human interfaces are the size bottleneck by m_evanchik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The real bottleneck to shrinking computers are no longer really the actual chips and disks. These are getting smaller and lighter and more energy efficient (well, at least the first two anyway).

    What has not been effectively shrunk yet is the areas of human interface. The input (mouse and keyboard) and output (computer screen)

    On the input size, cameras and microphones are shrinking, so these may be useful. On the output side, I know there are small screens out there, but to get real work done, you often need a big screen area.

    1. Re:Human interfaces are the size bottleneck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the light keyboard. This will make wonders in the future laptops.
      Also 'paper' screens is coming around the corner.

    2. Re:Human interfaces are the size bottleneck by mlati · · Score: 1

      Visual Input --Visor Eye Projectors
      Keyboard & mouse -- possible the laser kbd display a while back..
      hows that?

    3. Re:Human interfaces are the size bottleneck by HamNRye · · Score: 2

      While this is true, there are alot of devices on the market and coming to market that are designed to alleviate this problem. My own experimenting with a Twiddler showed that I was not ready to give up my nice open keyboard layout.

      This seems to be a good idea, as they plan on providing "enclosures" and "cradles" to turn the CPU unit into a notebook, PC, or PDA. However, it will ether run on notebook components, which generally sacrifice speed for low power consumption, or PC components which would suck the batteries dry in seconds. Notebook HDD's are where you notice the greatest amount of slowness.

      So here's the rub: You get this new doo-maflaggie with it's big ol' 10 GB HD, and now you can take your information with you. But how much of that HD are you lugging WinXP on?? 1 GB. Office adds 500MB, etc... So out of that 10 GB perhaps 6GB is actually available for data and 4GB is programs. (Sad but true)

      More to the point, why lug an entire computer?? Wireless accesss might be nice, but where? I can plop it into my cradle at work and have a full fledged PC, but why not have the PC there and just plug in my data?? I can put it in a notebook enclosure, but then why not just have a notebook. On and on and on....

      The real answer is not computers that can be lugged everywhere, no matter how small they become, but data that can be mobile. 7 years with the web and still no easy way to synch bookmarks between your work computer and home computer. Idiotic ain't it??

      Jason Maggard

  50. good reason against flash by mkelley · · Score: 1

    over 200k flash file on homepage and you get slashdotted. Why not use html and QTVR if you really want people to come to your site and see what you have to offer?

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  51. 9.5 Hr Battery Life! .... Hardly by LuxuryYacht · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Despite the faster chip, the batteries on the OQO run about 9.5 hours, Ditzel and Hunter said. Although the Crusoe processor runs on fairly low amounts of energy, the small screen size helps enormously."

    Power consumption of a 4" LCD CCFL is around 1W, which is the same for any 4" - 15" single lamp LCD panel. The small screen size does not help any with the reduction of power consumtion. Power consumtion for this device will about the same as any Crusoe powered laptop since memory and the hard drive will still draw the same amount of power. This unit will only see a 9.5 hour battery life if the CCFL is off and the hardrive is powered down with the processor running at under 20% with not many accesses to memory.

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    1. Re:9.5 Hr Battery Life! .... Hardly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This device will consume the usual amount of power of the other devices in its class: 0 mW

      It's vapourware, it's nothing like stuff that matters, move on...

    2. Re:9.5 Hr Battery Life! .... Hardly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds correct, I was able to get 3 hr 15 min from a vaio c1vn tm5600. 2 min hd spin down, 2 min LCD pwr down, new battery, Crusoe kernel w/longrun extensions with about 30% user activity for the duration. Might be possible to double the battery life by disabling the hd and booting an embedded kernel from the Sony memory stick.

    3. Re:9.5 Hr Battery Life! .... Hardly by Cyno · · Score: 1


      I can get that on my 1.1 Ghz celeron with 14" screen, 20GB HD, and 256MB ram if I use it to browse the web while watching tv. Browsing the web doesn't access the harddrive too much and occationally I find something interesting on the tube and let the screen blank out for a few minutes. But what surprised me about this toshiba laptop was the cyberblade XP chipset. I guess this chipset is extremely low power. Though it barely has any linux support at all, Trident didn't want to release info to the X guys. But its supposed to have a GPU and be a good cheap gaming system, if they ever get DRI to work under Linux.
      I'll deal with this laptop until they come out with a webpad that can last at least 8 hours normal-heavy use.

  52. MobilePro 7xx series sized by SylvesterTheCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Make it the size of Mobilepro 7xx family and now we have something to talk about as far as a "desktop replacement."

    Better yet. Make a lower-end one that has less ram, flash storage instead of a HD and configure processor to emulate a StrongArm. (IIRC, one of the strengths of the Crusoe is that it can emulate other architectures, although I may be wrong.)

    Give the user the option of either PalmOS 5.0 or PPC 3.0. Drop the price a bit so that it is competitive with HP Jornada 720. Give the slightly larger form factor of the Mobilepro size (keyboard / screen), it then becomes a viable alternative for a lot of people to a full-blown laptop.

    Advantages compared to Palm-sized PDAs:
    better keyboard / screen usability

    Advantages compared to laptop:
    instant on
    longer battery life
    smaller overall size / less weight
    lower cost

    Sure you wouldn't be able to carry it in your shirt / pants pocket, but so what? Like I'm going to carry anything that cost me over a couple hundred dollars in my shirt pocket. Put it in your briefcase, shoulder bag, whatever.

    I'd buy one.

  53. haha by martissimo · · Score: 1

    Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled

    yes that truly may be the answer, wonder how many times they got /.'d before they figured that one out

    1. Re:haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, mod parent up.

  54. sort of like the ibm metapad by pangloss · · Score: 3, Informative
    Strikingly similar in concept.
  55. Ive been looking for something like this by PhilJackson · · Score: 1

    I've looked at different PDAs and other such devices and really haven't seen any I like the look of yet (there was a glimmer of hope for Sharps new offering, until I saw the review on CNET) but this looks really good! I just know I'd sit on it (by accident :)) if I owned one!

  56. Yes but not for $1000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They start at $1499 and go up from there. Still cool in my opinion.

  57. Copyright violation by clink · · Score: 1

    Posting the full text of the article is a copyright violation. It should be removed.

  58. I'll see an ultra-portable computer as usefull... by SkyLeach · · Score: 1

    When I can 100% run it with voice, it speaks back to me via an earpiece and can project unobtrusive video onto my glasses when, and only when, I want it to.

    Add some ultra-high bandwidth networking to that and jack me in baby.

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  59. Plenty of people making libretto-likes by Dirk+Pitt · · Score: 2
    Check out Dynamism. They import all the cool Asian subnotes we can't get here.

    This includes the Libretto L3, a 10" LCD, 600mhz-Crusue version of your own notebook. It's slightly bigger, but I think there are some other subnotes on this site that approach the size of the original Toshibas.

    1. Re:Plenty of people making libretto-likes by Tet · · Score: 2
      This includes the Libretto L3, a 10" LCD, 600mhz-Crusue version of your own notebook. It's slightly bigger, but I think there are some other subnotes on this site that approach the size of the original Toshibas.

      If anyone knows of any, I've love to know what they are. I've got a couple of Libretto 50CTs, and while they're great little machines, they're starting to show their age. I'd love one of the last of the classic Librettos (the ff1100v, for example), but they were never available outside of Japan, and the importer I was planning to get one from went bust. Sadly the new Librettos are just too big to be useful. The whole point of the old models was that they were small enough to fit in a pocket. The new one doesn't meet that criterion, and hence for my purposes, it's essentially useless.

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    2. Re:Plenty of people making libretto-likes by djmurdoch · · Score: 2

      I'd love one of the last of the classic Librettos

      There's quite a good market for used Librettos on Ebay. I don't know if I've ever seen an 1100 there, but there are lots of 70's and 100's.

      The L3 seems overpriced and underpowered, compared to the Fujitsu machines. If I want to get something that big, it won't be from Toshiba.

  60. Why do you need this? by xoot · · Score: 1

    Why do you need this organizer? Why not buy a real laptop? Sure, it's cheaper, but it's a definite product bomb, and the computer software/hardware companies won't support it.

  61. hey there.. by doooras · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    is that a computer in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me. :-*

  62. piss off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is bad writing, followed by bad editing. How am I supposed to know what he meant? Maybe he meant 4" wide, or tall. As a professional writer, those things really should not happen. And it is something that happens regularly, especially on that site, and when it happens while describing a product that they don't even have a picture of, it can be very confusing.

    And as for me moving on with my life, that's not a problem. I was simply stating that I find these things very annoying when I am trying to learn facts about a product. And me, as a non-professional writer, dropping a single "i" out of a word in a blog post is a far cry from using the wrong word all together in a news column.

    So don't be a dick. very impressive website you got there.

    1. Re:piss off by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2
      Yeah, I try to update my site every five or ten years, whether it needs it or not. I like to think of it as "minimalist".

      Didn't really mean to be a dick, just thought you were being a little harsh. Hell, maybe he wrote "diagonally" and his editor swapped in "diameter". There is a picture, or at least there was when I looked at the story (yup, still there, almost literally big as life), and the screen is clearly rectangular. I probably would have written "four-inch screen" and left it at that, since diagonal measurements are pretty standard, and for a device described as being 3" x 5", that would be about right (looks like maybe a 1/4" border on the long sides and a 1/2" on the short, so maybe 2-1/2" x 4", so 2.5^2 + 16, take the square root, mumble, mumble, well, I get 4.7 inches -- close enough for jazz), and nobody's going to buy the damned thing based just on this description anyway. (In fact, odds are nobody's going to buy the damned thing period, or even have the chance to. He's probably going to review 6 more products we'll never see before the week is out.)

      Actually, what he probably should have said was "itty-bitty screen, roughly the same size as those on a Palm".

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  63. What about midori Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the company that employs Linus Torvalds, this is a bit of a disapointment, Transmeta purposely developed midori Linux to show of there cpu's so I expected to see comes with a choice of midori Linux or Windows XP!

  64. Re:This is Bullshit - why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you so lame as to care who gets "credit" for submitting a story that anyone could have submitted? Tens of thousands of people around the world have read about this little device's announcement on cnet, many of them -before- you did.

    /. would be a nicer place if no stupid nyms were associated with who submitted an article. got an ego to feed? go fuck yourself.

  65. Better Article by i_am_bill_gates · · Score: 0

    This website has a non-flash burdened version of the article.

  66. Hrmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After waiting over 3-5 min for www.oqo.com to load, im left scratching my head wondering if their webserver is powerd by a crusoe...

  67. yes, its slower than a PIII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but not by much, especially on computational loops (those run great). try it, you'll like it!

  68. "high end"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't very high end, its ultra-light. My Dell from 3 yrs ago had similar specs, and was top of the line. Of course, I just replaced it with a desktop since the Dell was getting to slow for my needs. Wow.. booting in less then 30 seconds and 100gb free even after I fill it up.. and ultra quiet.

    So yeah.. how could a Transmeta CPU be high end anyways? There performance is sub-par for that market.

  69. 4" screen by Fencepost · · Score: 2
    They seem to be shooting for PDA capabilities when it's not docked, and desktop capabilities when it is. As a PDA, you're likely to have it closer to your face than you would a desktop screen.

    Still, it looks an awful lot like the next generation of the Newton to me.

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  70. the screen by uke · · Score: 1

    The screen is beautiful. In fact the whole thing is beautiful. These folks are very detail-oriented.

    Disclosure: These guys are friends of mine and I'm a (very minor) investor in the company.

    1. Re:the screen by geoffeg · · Score: 2

      Being an investor I'm guessing you know the product pretty well. Here are my concerns:

      * Screen size: It looks like the built in screen only does 640x480, a resolution at which I cringe when thinking about browsing most of the popular websites. 1024x768 seems to be the minimum resolution I'm confortable at these days and with such a small screen, that would be pretty horrid.

      * No built in PCMCIA slot. Most people don't see how important this can be to a portable device. What will I have to do when another wireless network standard comes out (and I'm pretty sure they will come out)? I could get a USB or firewire version of the device but that makes the machine bigger and more clunky.

      * Replacable battery. I can't seem to find any information on this. Is the battery in the unit easily changed with another one? The pages say that the unit will get 9.5 hours on a charge, which is very likely the maximum theoretical limit. I'm guessing the unit gets more like 6 hours on a chage, 4 if you are doing really have usage.

      * Sound. The page doesn't say if there is a built in speaker although I'm guessing it has built in audio.

      * And most importantly, does it run linux? :)

      I'm not sure you are allowed to divulge any information on the product. Regardless, these are some of the things I'd question before being interested in the product beyond cool geek value.

      Geoffeg

  71. They could have used a sexier hand model! by mattm76 · · Score: 0

    Never seen such a flashy website to show off a product before. You'd think they could have afforded to use a model's hands instead of an engineer's in the specifications section. geesh!

  72. Don't use fscking flash then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A text-only front page is more than just "Good Design" when the Slashdot hordes descend...

  73. okay, enlighten me by TheBishop · · Score: 2, Insightful
    • Windows XP
    • 5800 Crusoe processor
    • 10GB hard drive
    • 256MB of memory
    • connection ports for FireWire and USB
    Which of those make this a "high end" portable? Hell, you can get iBooks with better specs than that. It must be the price that makes it 'high-end'.
  74. We'll see if Sony's Vaio "U" beats the OQO... by voixel · · Score: 1
    Blurb here:
    http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,88563,00 . sp

    Pictures to give an impression of size near the bottom of this page:
    http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/docs/2002/0311/s ony3.htm

    More interesting descriptions...
    http://www.zdnet.co.jp/mobile/0203/11/n_vaiou.html

    Babel Fish can help you with the Japanese text:
    http://babelfish.altavista.com/

    ~v

  75. Bullshit, explained. by timothy · · Score: 1

    a) I won't be replying to any responses to this reply :)

    b) Lots of people submitted items about this computer. Same with Argentine Ants. Jet-cooled beer and ASCII Star Wars are both old.

    c) Stories can be (and usually are) posted slightly into the future. Whether something was submitted "hours ago" doesn't mean that b) does not still apply.

    d) Your site says "About a week ago, I began repeatedly submitting things I thought were important." This is annoying behavior. I can't stop anyone from doing it, but it certainly doesn't make me want to read things so-submitted. It's like mailing in all your letters to the editor with human feces smeared across them. (Or, just mailing the same letter dozens of times, to be a little more analogous.)

    timothy

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  76. Interesting idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I'd like something similar to this, perhaps more in the vein of a tablet pc. It'd need to have firewire or usb 2.0, a serial port or usb to serial adapter, a (minimal) battery, an x86 processor, and a hard drive, a 6" screen capable of doing 800x600. No keyboard integrated. Oh yeah, a 12 volt car adapter too. Maybe a tv out. Shock resistant notebook components.

    Make a holder for your dashboard so the thing can be slipped in and maybe fastened down with some straps. The no keyboard keeps it flush with the dash, doesn't interfere with driving like the laptop would, no knuckle banging while trying to shift. Hook the laptop's serial up to your gps unit. Plug the tv out into the backseat's screen for the kids. Plug in the external DVD drive. Plug it in to your car's cig lighter. Load up your mp3 player. Drive. If the kid gets bored, plug in a usb gamepad and load up a game, or let him watch some tv.

    So you get to your friend's house. Just unplug the hookups and slip the thing out of its holder, take it in and plug it into the tv and the wall. Your own set top box.

    Camping and bored? Take the thing into your tent and hook up the dvd player and watch movies. (I'd recommend dual batteries in your car for that though, keep it plugged into the second one and keep number one only for the starter).

    It'd be the shiz. I've found some similar things put nothing that fits the bill exactly.

  77. Re:once again, listen up people . . . by zapfie · · Score: 1

    Do something productive...

    Like troll Slashdotters? :)

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  78. A step in the right direction by Motie · · Score: 1

    I've been wanting this type of device for years. While this may not be the form factor that the world "standardizes" on ten years from now, this is definitely a step in the right direction.

    I'm excited by this device.

    Turn-offs:
    - Screen res is probably very low. (but someday...)
    - XP?!? Christ!
    - 10GB is a limiter, but not awful (and not their fault)

    And, though I'm a typer all the way, I WOULD like to see some sort of handwriting recognition. Even just something comparable to Palm's Graffiti would be fine.

    Docking station for home/office: Cool.
    Laptop "shell": Gag.

    Sure, there are definite benefits to having a BIG, expandable home machine, but I managed quite well for years using only (underpowered, outdated) laptops in my personal life. And the $1000 price point works for me.

    And to top it off with a round screen? Suh-weet! That's thinking outside the box, er... hole. ;)

    Just my $0.02.

  79. What could have been... by Motie · · Score: 1

    This is what the Libretto COULD have been--an aberrant design branch, that is, due to its lack of keyboard--if Toshiba hadn't turned the Libby into the dwarven Protege clone it's become. If only...

  80. Damn... by X86Daddy · · Score: 1

    ... I just finally got around to overclocking my Libretto (P75 to P100) on Friday!

  81. PDA, Bah. I want it for my WEB SERVER. by splorf · · Score: 1

    The colo places around here charge hundreds of bucks a month for a 1U rack slot. Admittedly a 1U enclosure can hold a fullblown ATX motherboard and a couple of 3.5" hard drives, but this OQO thing looks plenty powerful enough for most smaller web sites that don't want to virtual host. And it looks like you can put at least half a dozen of them in a 1U slot. That alone is worth the price of admission. Wow!

  82. similar to fujitsu lifebook? by frostman · · Score: 1

    hmmm...

    i'm writing this on a Fujitsu Lifebook P2040 which is pretty similar... same chip, 256MB, small, light, etc.

    great little computer (obviously with some limitations but what do you expect in a small/light package with NO FAN?).

    there's info on http://www.fujitsupc.com/

    anyway - these cost from $1500 to $2000 depending on configuration. and you have to wait to get one, since they're universally backordered.

    as to battery life, i get 2hrs consistently (surfing &such) on the normal battery; you can get hi-cap + drivebay batteries and probably get a good 8-13 hrs depending on what you're doing.

    there's a discussion forum at http://www.leog.net/ with lots of info for the curious.

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    This Like That - fun with words!

  83. flash on/off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok heres my 2 cents the big problem i see is that pdas use flash rom to hold the os which is a great advantage because you can go from off ie not using power to on ie rip ready to go in seconds...now i know xp boasts a 20 boot (ha ha) but who wants to wait 20 seconds to scrawl a phone number in and i have a feeling that running it sleep mode will drain power as well as create a lot of heat have you ever used a laptop in you lap for long periods of time...so i guess this is a great idea in theroy but there are some practical things that need worked out...

  84. Better, remove the brains by bcaulf · · Score: 1

    There are some things to love about this system. It seems to genuinely be small enough while having a good enough screen. But it has the same problem as other notebooks: there is a computer in there instead of just an interface + a wireless fast network connection.

    Take the away the CPU, memory and disk from this system and make it a terminal of some sort, X terminal or Windows Terminal or Citrix client, whatever. Voila, battery life goes way up, weight and thickness go way down. (Do I hear 10mm thick and four ounces?) Add a slice to it if you're going on a plane and you really need to be disconnected. But as long as you're around the home or office, just use it as a connection to your application server. Suddenly its useful life is "until it breaks" rather than "until Longhorn".