Consider this: An 8-bit microcomputer "can execute the operation needed for the research" but that doesn't make it the best tool.
thanks for the input but this is still the wrong analogy...
it is not what TFA is saying, and it is incorrect in fact
Picketty is being criticized in TFA because he used a spreadsheet, which has 'cells' which contain 'formulas' which are descriptions of mathematical operations on data
TFA author is saying that, I quote again:
The code is hidden away in dozens if not hundreds of little cells If you are not reviewing your code carefully and if you **make it difficult for others to review it**, how do expect it to be reliable?'"
navigating a spreadsheet program to view a formula in a cell is *basic operation of the software*
if you cannot do that, you cannot properly use the software at all...it's like saying cars are unfair because some people don't understand how to use the brake pedal
sure, when research is "difficult to review" that is a bad thing....**EVERYONE AGREES ON THAT**...the fact that Picketty used a spreadsheet and TFA author can't use it's most basic functions is not worth discussing at all, ever
the problem in economics & social science research is P-hacking...gaming the results using your fancy 'non-spreadsheet' research software...that's a legit problem that we need more TFA's about
His real criticizm is that spreadsheet software is horrible for any high end work, or with anything you want to share, and he is correct.
you're wrong on both counts...that is not his 'real' criticism and even if it was he and you would still be wrong
spreadsheets are ***computation software***
if it can execute the operation needed for the research then it is acceptable...if not, then no
end.
it's a tool to analyze data...that's ****all any of these programs are, ever****
the method of analysis is either proper or not to test the hypothesis....that is a *completely different question* to whether the software is physically capable of doing the computation
you can't blame a spreadsheet for a poorly devised experiment...you *can* blame a researcher for using an inappropriate statistical model...you *cannot* criticize the method of analysis as long as it is physically capable of the computation
your echo TFA's ignorance...and yes, I've seen people like you use rhetoric like yours to justify P-hacking throughout my time in academia
ugh...so anger! always with the nomenclature distinctions...this is a stupid approach to a real problem
a spreadsheet is a computer program
that's it...
to criticize the act of entering data and performing computations on that data using computer software is the height of ignorance
I don't know if he's right or not, but this guy's real criticizm, once you fight through his ignorance of the issue is that in his view Pickety didn't show enough of how he got his figures...or more accurately, the TFA author had to look at the spreasheet cell to see what formula it used (gasp!)
The code is hidden away in dozens if not hundreds of little cells If you are not reviewing your code carefully and if you make it difficult for others to review it, how do expect it to be reliable?'"
so he probably doesn't know how to use the interface of a spreadsheet very well, which makes the act of checking a formula tedious...
then he writes some dumbass article inventing a problem to vent his frustration and reinforce his self-image...
all the while missing the real problem with economics "research" (not Pickety but others do this...) it's called "P-hacking"
P-hacking is the problem in social science/economics research, not using 'spreadsheets'
yeah I have...the time my work was most research focused I was the data analyst for a journalism prof who had all kinds of awesome location/observation data for mobile device usage and a small locus of small businesses
I had to sort through 5 years of survey data that used 5, 7, and 13 point likert scale responses...this was a usability survey that accomanied the observation/tracking data
we had an undergrad research asst. litterally follow students who were high frequency users of mobile digital technology around all day any time they were away from home recording when they used their digital devices...our research assts. had a device we made specifically for data collection in the study...it was like a really dumb single function tricorder made from old reprogramed Palms (this was done before I came to the project)
add to that 2 years of another usability study that was much better using the same participants
this was alot of fun and i hope i can do it again in the future...i was only essentially a 'pre-doc' as opposed to 'post-doc'...in between MS and PhD and got hired to do this for a semester
I was in a PhD program while teaching as an adjunct but that had to end
*all* of the stuff I have written about, my SPSS for the mobile study, my PhD in Systems Science, and my adjunct position teaching human/computer interaction...
*all* ended because they were at State Universities that got their funding slashed by Republican state senators...two different states, both republican initiatives that slashed funding
end of rant
but yeah...academia internal politics is as fsked up as regular politics
these criticisms of wikipedia are ignorant and useless to profitable discussion
it shows an inherent misunderstanding of how citations work *AND* how the internet works
not every sentence must be cited by a peer reviewed journal...ever...anywhere...only some law briefs go to that length & a human may or may not ever read it
science is NOT a citation competition, nor is it a pedantry pageant
the 90% figure is bullshit stats conjuring...where are the examples?
what's there threshold for "error"?
they only looked at *10 articles*
heart disease, cancer, mental disorders, trauma-related disorders, osteoarthritis, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease/asthma, hypertension, diabetes, back problems, and hyperlipidemia.
and they DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT identify side by side the "bad" knowledge of wikipedia and their correct source
all we get is this admission, which confirms all my criticisms, from TFA:
For example, the diabetes mellitus Wikipedia article stated that it is a condition in “which a person has high blood sugar.” One reviewer might have accurately recorded this statement as an assertion, whereas another might have assumed the statement to be common knowledge and erroneously not recorded it as an assertion. These incongruent criteria for assertions may explain the difference found between reviewers.
so no consistent definitions of terms or standards were used, at all...
why didn't you post even a few sentences from TFA to support your contentions?
i read TFA...I was stoned while I did it, but I'm usually stoned....it looked to me like they were trying to link "addicting" behaviors like video games and marijuana
if you want to converse on this, show me where you think TFA proves my interpretation wrong
I've seen similar comments from others on this thread...
TFA isn't just examining effects of marijuana...it's using the data to ***draw a conclusion*** about marijuana
what conclusion?
it wasn't just about performance, but "addiction"
they're trying to see if marijuana smoking during video games makes the video gaming "more addictive"
TFA had an agenda to show that somehow either weed or video games (or combination thereof) is inherently "bad"
this is just like those B.S. studies that were gamed to make stoned drivers look as bad as drunk drivers...however, the data itself, just comparing how weed affects all kinds of tasks, sure that's beneficial
but again...why aren't we doing this with ***other drugs***
does Ritalin, Adderall, and other pharma's affect driving?
if it affects driving, then why do we let people who work with their hands take it?
otherwise, you're justifying your behavior...I put SW in a real world context and it casued you cognitive dissonance b/c you value SW way, way more than most people
SW **fandom** is part of your self-concept...that's what I'm saying...your intpretation and application of the film to your life makes it part of your self-concept...and when someone makes SW look bad (rightly or not) it provokes a reaction in you
Ms. Granick, thanks so much for taking the time, your expertise on this issue is very valuable!
I was an intern on Capitol Hill and was able to sneak into the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on updates to the DCMA where Metallica and Shaun Fanning testified.
My question: On issues of digital technology and freedom how can we, the people of the US, fight harder & win?
What represents a "win" against the RIAA/MPAA or a "win" for net neutrality? If all we need is Congress to pass Common Carriage why is it so difficult to get done?
Ever since I attend that Senate Judiciary hearing, and I learned the issues, I realized it's always the same groups opposing digital freedom. What do we have to do to fix these issues forever so we can move on to better problems?
his idolization of McVeigh shows how disconnected his thought processes are...
the ego plays into it where if you asked Weev about this, he'd launch into a rambling speech/manifesto about his worldview and how it is superior and if you don't get it then you won't understand the McVeigh thing
again it's about shutting out any other points of view internally...it's a sign of narcissism
i'm not saying Weev is crazy but he's evidencing really bad judgement & this explains where it comes from
Star Wars (as it was called then) paved the way for the first Star Trek movie and most SciFi movies that came after. It's that big a deal.
"it's that big a deal"
right.....
above comment is an example of a fanboi who has his internal self-concept tied up to his interpretation of his existence in terms of a sci-fi film franchise
as long as 'Star Wars' is an epic film series unlike any other that changed the world of not just sci-fi but *all film* then this AC's internal self-concept is balanced...
"Along came this renegade movie director."
when someone puts 'Star Wars' into context with other films with no ego connection...well...it pisses fanbois off...because you're piercing the fiction of their self-concept
I can tell this partially because parent is an AC, yet somehow has a signature at the end of the comment...
The original Star Wars movies were great because we saw them when we were 13 years old, and they were filmed to appeal to 13 year olds. Watch it again now, and if you enjoy it that's likely due to fond memories of watching them as a child, not because they're such great pieces of filmmaking on their own.
yes plover, you nailed it
often when I hear people talk about why the love trek or star wars or D&D or video games it relates to exactly the same...I just sort of insert "I like nostalgia and fun things" for whatever they are babbling about (fyi of all these i'm a 'trekkie' and a gamer sub-genre of tetris nerd)
there *is* of course the times when these silly things that were aimed at middle schoolers have really interesting storylines that go beyond their target market
that's up to interpretation, but it's all about distinguishing **why**
Star Wars and Alien are awesome scifi films but are hugely different in tone/subject matter....I'm sure some fanbois would argue that both are equally great in all ways but they aren't. Alien is written and acted much better in all ways. Again that's an interpretation but it's one most people share and its easily defendable.
I say the original trilogy are all "classics" for their own reasons...but in film discussions should be viewed as a whole...sort of like LotR...the prequels are kind of a B-/C+ retread, but reduced to its component parts it has some moments that are "classic" (note that the fan-edited versions of the prequels are much better)
my question was intended to dig beyond the buzzword hype by asking a question that would be valid and informative no matter what you call your hot new idea...
you said
Everything everywhere should be fair game for disruption
so that is *one* answer...I hope they address it a little more if they answer but I wouldn't be surprised if they say something like that
I don't know what I think about the topic, but I wonder if Uber ever got any offers from cab companies to buy their system...I doubt it as cab companies already have all kinds of tech...maybe some more suburban markets would be able to make use of Uber's system as a regular cab company...idk
It's not illegal at all for a preschool teacher to show kids a movie...at all...it's done everyday across the country and it'll never be challenged.
I showed National Geographic films all the time when I taught Geography and Current Events.
Showing prisoners films can indeed have as much an "educational" or "scholastic" aspect as showing films to pre-schoolers, and it's wrong to challenge its use. The only reason we're having this discussion (and for my downmod) is that tech-dorks like to show how smart they are by nitpicking and pedantry on legal topics....you don't know what you're talking about legally.
You can surely read the law code, and even copy it into a comment!...but that doesn't mean you understand how the law works *in practice*.
The "code" of a law is absolutely different from "code" in a computer system...all the entirety of human law since the dawn of time has it's ***appilcation*** which is completely up to human interpretation.
In reality, your argument is not convincing and orginates from a self-serving "one-upmanship" mentality
It's Fair Use. It's non-commercial for educational purposes.
you give them a quiz at the end of the video about the major characters and their roles in the narrative...reinforces retention/comprehention and social skills
done....even the most pedantic, non-lawyer, tech dork who loves to make himself sound smart by misapplying laws about tech...even YOU can't counter that...FAIR USE VICTORY
no school district or prison has ever been sued for fair use and your logic wouldn't fly b/c conjuring a "educational" or "scholarship" reason is easy...
My question: Given that the concept of "disrupting" a current revenue stream is currently an influential contextualization for startup companies today, including Uber, what industries/companies are *out of bounds* for disruption?
Is any human enterprise fair game for Uber's concept of "disruption"?
For example, would Uber consider a tech solution that allowed a construction company to save million$ by staffing their entire workforce with legal part-time migrant workers, effectively ending the job for all labor employees except migrant workers...is that disruptive?
Is anything out of bounds when "disrupting" an economic system?
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yes, quite so
it requires higher level statistics knowledge and years of training to **interpret** the formulas
there's no getting around it...TFA is ridiculous
thanks for the input but this is still the wrong analogy...
it is not what TFA is saying, and it is incorrect in fact
Picketty is being criticized in TFA because he used a spreadsheet, which has 'cells' which contain 'formulas' which are descriptions of mathematical operations on data
TFA author is saying that, I quote again:
navigating a spreadsheet program to view a formula in a cell is *basic operation of the software*
if you cannot do that, you cannot properly use the software at all...it's like saying cars are unfair because some people don't understand how to use the brake pedal
sure, when research is "difficult to review" that is a bad thing....**EVERYONE AGREES ON THAT**...the fact that Picketty used a spreadsheet and TFA author can't use it's most basic functions is not worth discussing at all, ever
the problem in economics & social science research is P-hacking...gaming the results using your fancy 'non-spreadsheet' research software...that's a legit problem that we need more TFA's about
you're wrong on both counts...that is not his 'real' criticism and even if it was he and you would still be wrong
spreadsheets are ***computation software***
if it can execute the operation needed for the research then it is acceptable...if not, then no
end.
it's a tool to analyze data...that's ****all any of these programs are, ever****
the method of analysis is either proper or not to test the hypothesis....that is a *completely different question* to whether the software is physically capable of doing the computation
you can't blame a spreadsheet for a poorly devised experiment...you *can* blame a researcher for using an inappropriate statistical model...you *cannot* criticize the method of analysis as long as it is physically capable of the computation
your echo TFA's ignorance...and yes, I've seen people like you use rhetoric like yours to justify P-hacking throughout my time in academia
ugh...so anger! always with the nomenclature distinctions...this is a stupid approach to a real problem
a spreadsheet is a computer program
that's it...
to criticize the act of entering data and performing computations on that data using computer software is the height of ignorance
I don't know if he's right or not, but this guy's real criticizm, once you fight through his ignorance of the issue is that in his view Pickety didn't show enough of how he got his figures...or more accurately, the TFA author had to look at the spreasheet cell to see what formula it used (gasp!)
so he probably doesn't know how to use the interface of a spreadsheet very well, which makes the act of checking a formula tedious...
then he writes some dumbass article inventing a problem to vent his frustration and reinforce his self-image...
all the while missing the real problem with economics "research" (not Pickety but others do this...) it's called "P-hacking"
P-hacking is the problem in social science/economics research, not using 'spreadsheets'
gah!
yeah I have...the time my work was most research focused I was the data analyst for a journalism prof who had all kinds of awesome location/observation data for mobile device usage and a small locus of small businesses
I had to sort through 5 years of survey data that used 5, 7, and 13 point likert scale responses...this was a usability survey that accomanied the observation/tracking data
we had an undergrad research asst. litterally follow students who were high frequency users of mobile digital technology around all day any time they were away from home recording when they used their digital devices...our research assts. had a device we made specifically for data collection in the study...it was like a really dumb single function tricorder made from old reprogramed Palms (this was done before I came to the project)
add to that 2 years of another usability study that was much better using the same participants
this was alot of fun and i hope i can do it again in the future...i was only essentially a 'pre-doc' as opposed to 'post-doc'...in between MS and PhD and got hired to do this for a semester
I was in a PhD program while teaching as an adjunct but that had to end
*all* of the stuff I have written about, my SPSS for the mobile study, my PhD in Systems Science, and my adjunct position teaching human/computer interaction...
*all* ended because they were at State Universities that got their funding slashed by Republican state senators...two different states, both republican initiatives that slashed funding
end of rant
but yeah...academia internal politics is as fsked up as regular politics
these criticisms of wikipedia are ignorant and useless to profitable discussion
it shows an inherent misunderstanding of how citations work *AND* how the internet works
not every sentence must be cited by a peer reviewed journal...ever...anywhere...only some law briefs go to that length & a human may or may not ever read it
science is NOT a citation competition, nor is it a pedantry pageant
the 90% figure is bullshit stats conjuring...where are the examples?
what's there threshold for "error"?
they only looked at *10 articles*
and they DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT identify side by side the "bad" knowledge of wikipedia and their correct source
all we get is this admission, which confirms all my criticisms, from TFA:
so no consistent definitions of terms or standards were used, at all...
this is crap science....[citation needed]
why didn't you post even a few sentences from TFA to support your contentions?
i read TFA...I was stoned while I did it, but I'm usually stoned....it looked to me like they were trying to link "addicting" behaviors like video games and marijuana
if you want to converse on this, show me where you think TFA proves my interpretation wrong
this guy is a total negative...he's the antithesis of my values on many things
but prison isn't the answer, we're not making anything better by putting him in prison
i love that the one you havent' done is coke...may FSM bless you
slashdot: don't ever do coke! it's the drug choice of douchebags
I've seen similar comments from others on this thread...
TFA isn't just examining effects of marijuana...it's using the data to ***draw a conclusion*** about marijuana
what conclusion?
it wasn't just about performance, but "addiction"
they're trying to see if marijuana smoking during video games makes the video gaming "more addictive"
TFA had an agenda to show that somehow either weed or video games (or combination thereof) is inherently "bad"
this is just like those B.S. studies that were gamed to make stoned drivers look as bad as drunk drivers...however, the data itself, just comparing how weed affects all kinds of tasks, sure that's beneficial
but again...why aren't we doing this with ***other drugs***
does Ritalin, Adderall, and other pharma's affect driving?
if it affects driving, then why do we let people who work with their hands take it?
Let's see this same thing repeated with these for comparison:
alcohol
cocaine
LSD
MDA
MDNA
adderall
zoloft
perkoset
xanax
etc...you get my point...
every damn time people anywhere talk about "drugs" and their effects we need to **compare** it to other similar things!
i have to give you props for this...I lol'ed:
otherwise, you're justifying your behavior...I put SW in a real world context and it casued you cognitive dissonance b/c you value SW way, way more than most people
SW **fandom** is part of your self-concept...that's what I'm saying...your intpretation and application of the film to your life makes it part of your self-concept...and when someone makes SW look bad (rightly or not) it provokes a reaction in you
Ms. Granick, thanks so much for taking the time, your expertise on this issue is very valuable!
I was an intern on Capitol Hill and was able to sneak into the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on updates to the DCMA where Metallica and Shaun Fanning testified.
My question: On issues of digital technology and freedom how can we, the people of the US, fight harder & win?
What represents a "win" against the RIAA/MPAA or a "win" for net neutrality? If all we need is Congress to pass Common Carriage why is it so difficult to get done?
Ever since I attend that Senate Judiciary hearing, and I learned the issues, I realized it's always the same groups opposing digital freedom. What do we have to do to fix these issues forever so we can move on to better problems?
his idolization of McVeigh shows how disconnected his thought processes are...
the ego plays into it where if you asked Weev about this, he'd launch into a rambling speech/manifesto about his worldview and how it is superior and if you don't get it then you won't understand the McVeigh thing
again it's about shutting out any other points of view internally...it's a sign of narcissism
i'm not saying Weev is crazy but he's evidencing really bad judgement & this explains where it comes from
"it's that big a deal"
right.....
above comment is an example of a fanboi who has his internal self-concept tied up to his interpretation of his existence in terms of a sci-fi film franchise
as long as 'Star Wars' is an epic film series unlike any other that changed the world of not just sci-fi but *all film* then this AC's internal self-concept is balanced...
"Along came this renegade movie director."
when someone puts 'Star Wars' into context with other films with no ego connection...well...it pisses fanbois off...because you're piercing the fiction of their self-concept
I can tell this partially because parent is an AC, yet somehow has a signature at the end of the comment...
Weev is ruining it for everyone with his egotistical douch-nozzle approach to this whole thing.
I support *everything* Weev is doing, from a conceptual standpoint.
That's where it ends...this stupid letter shows what happens to a good mind when all other voices are shut out internally.
WE MUST CONNECT WITH OTHER PEOPLE NOT BROWBEAT THEM WITH OUR SUPERIORITY
I mean...if we ever want to win this fight...
yes plover, you nailed it
often when I hear people talk about why the love trek or star wars or D&D or video games it relates to exactly the same...I just sort of insert "I like nostalgia and fun things" for whatever they are babbling about (fyi of all these i'm a 'trekkie' and a gamer sub-genre of tetris nerd)
there *is* of course the times when these silly things that were aimed at middle schoolers have really interesting storylines that go beyond their target market
that's up to interpretation, but it's all about distinguishing **why**
Star Wars and Alien are awesome scifi films but are hugely different in tone/subject matter....I'm sure some fanbois would argue that both are equally great in all ways but they aren't. Alien is written and acted much better in all ways. Again that's an interpretation but it's one most people share and its easily defendable.
I say the original trilogy are all "classics" for their own reasons...but in film discussions should be viewed as a whole...sort of like LotR...the prequels are kind of a B-/C+ retread, but reduced to its component parts it has some moments that are "classic" (note that the fan-edited versions of the prequels are much better)
yeah I see what you mean I hope they respond
my question was intended to dig beyond the buzzword hype by asking a question that would be valid and informative no matter what you call your hot new idea...
you said
so that is *one* answer...I hope they address it a little more if they answer but I wouldn't be surprised if they say something like that
I don't know what I think about the topic, but I wonder if Uber ever got any offers from cab companies to buy their system...I doubt it as cab companies already have all kinds of tech...maybe some more suburban markets would be able to make use of Uber's system as a regular cab company...idk
It's not illegal at all for a preschool teacher to show kids a movie...at all...it's done everyday across the country and it'll never be challenged.
I showed National Geographic films all the time when I taught Geography and Current Events.
Showing prisoners films can indeed have as much an "educational" or "scholastic" aspect as showing films to pre-schoolers, and it's wrong to challenge its use. The only reason we're having this discussion (and for my downmod) is that tech-dorks like to show how smart they are by nitpicking and pedantry on legal topics....you don't know what you're talking about legally.
You can surely read the law code, and even copy it into a comment!...but that doesn't mean you understand how the law works *in practice*.
The "code" of a law is absolutely different from "code" in a computer system...all the entirety of human law since the dawn of time has it's ***appilcation*** which is completely up to human interpretation.
In reality, your argument is not convincing and orginates from a self-serving "one-upmanship" mentality
It's Fair Use. It's non-commercial for educational purposes.
"teaching"
you give them a quiz at the end of the video about the major characters and their roles in the narrative...reinforces retention/comprehention and social skills
done....even the most pedantic, non-lawyer, tech dork who loves to make himself sound smart by misapplying laws about tech...even YOU can't counter that...FAIR USE VICTORY
no school district or prison has ever been sued for fair use and your logic wouldn't fly b/c conjuring a "educational" or "scholarship" reason is easy...
Fair Use Troll FAIL
This is the same as a preschool showing the kids a Disney movie if their carnival gets rained out.
it's fair use...
Mr. Kalanick, thanks for taking the time!
My question: Given that the concept of "disrupting" a current revenue stream is currently an influential contextualization for startup companies today, including Uber, what industries/companies are *out of bounds* for disruption?
Is any human enterprise fair game for Uber's concept of "disruption"?
For example, would Uber consider a tech solution that allowed a construction company to save million$ by staffing their entire workforce with legal part-time migrant workers, effectively ending the job for all labor employees except migrant workers...is that disruptive?
Is anything out of bounds when "disrupting" an economic system?
DRM plug-in?
Is that what this is about?
Maybe I did misread the situation..another commenter mentions the DRM plugin for Netflix etc. as well.
What about the ads? What about the other development choices by Firefox that are anti-open standards and anti-user?
I am interested in hearing more but it seems like were talking past each other, and maybe I misunderstood...
So as it stands now, Firefox has a plugin that allows things like Netflix to run w/ some kind of "DRM"...
Can the plugin be turned on and off?
Can the plugin be set to use a whitelist?
Why not do it that way? Let the user decide which sites at which times to allow things like Netflix
the notion that the Mozilla foundation "didn't have a choice" about DRM is an absolute joke
DRM is dead, in practice...all that DRM does is make users frustrated...it does *not* protect from illegal copying/distribution whatsoever
DRM is alive and well, in dumbass business porfolios, under the section of "risk management"
can Adobe or any organization *prevent* the Mozilla Foundation from releasing a non-DRM browser? NO!
no one is forcing Mozilla/Firefox to make this choice, except their own unscrupulous non-tech business people
hey some interesting info
you said this:
I have to respectfully beg to differ on this...no, we *dont* have the ability to do this...not even close
computers will never be able to do as you say, it's too complex of behavior