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AT&T Hacker 'weev' Demands One Bitcoin For Each Hour He Spent In Jail
Daniel_Stuckey (2647775) writes "The notorious troll and hacker known as Andrew 'weev' Auernheimer spent 13 months in jail for exposing an AT&T security flaw. He was recently released when a federal court overturned the conviction on grounds of improper venue. Now, Auernheimer has penned an open letter to the Department of Justice in which he demands reparations for acts of 'fraud' and 'violence' carried out against him over the past three years. Those reparations must be paid in Bitcoin, he says — 28,296, to be exact. At current market value, that comes out to $13.7 million. The bombastic letter is titled 'Open letter to federal scum,' and was allegedly bcc'd to 'a few hundred journalists.' In it, 28-year-old Auernheimer writes that he calculated the sum owed to him based on his market value:"
A gem: "Know that all this wealth will be directed towards a good and charitable cause. I am building a series of memorial groves for the greatest patriots of our generation: Timothy McVeigh, Andrew Stack, and Marvin Heemeyer. You see, In the 'Special Housing Unit,' which is Bureau of Prisons codespeak for 'solitary confinement' and 'torture,' I had enough time to think about the current state of federal government. "
Now we can watch our rights be taken away in order to punish assholes, on top of drug users, pedos, terrorists, and hackers.
Remember folks, what the government does to weev, it can do to everyone else.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
..he's now Weev 2.0 - now with added 'crazy'!
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Then see what he wants!
Wow.. good role model there.. Timothy McVeigh. I repeat.. Wow.
That's going to work.
Hope he enjoys the "state sovereign immunity" rejection letter he'll receive.
Weev is ruining it for everyone with his egotistical douch-nozzle approach to this whole thing.
I support *everything* Weev is doing, from a conceptual standpoint.
That's where it ends...this stupid letter shows what happens to a good mind when all other voices are shut out internally.
WE MUST CONNECT WITH OTHER PEOPLE NOT BROWBEAT THEM WITH OUR SUPERIORITY
I mean...if we ever want to win this fight...
Thank you Dave Raggett
Really? Those three deserve hommage by Stuckey? Stack intentionally flies his plane into a building kill several. Heemeyer has fun with a bulldozer. And worst of all in some respects, McVeigh detonates a bomb killing a hundred plus people. If those are the types you admire as worthy of a memorial then you have one warped sense of admiration. None of those even come close to fitting the description of a patriot.
My karma is not a Chameleon.
That the court overturned the conviction on grounds of improper venue does not prevent the Gub'ment from going after him again in the "proper" venue. If he makes himself enough of a pain, it could be sooner rather than later. Certainly they are watching him closely now.
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He is aware that McVeigh was an anarcho-primitivist, correct?
TFS says he spent 13 months in prison. Now, I understand that there would have been an arrest by federal agents and a trial. However, usually when people seek restitution for wrongful imprisonment, they seek it for the time they actually spent in prison. I'm sure he didn't spend nearly two years in pre-trial detention, so where does he get three years from?
And he was released because the regime he's living in, while far from perfect, is more civilized than the terror he fantasizes about.
Just pay weev in weed, it's all he wants anyway.
With currency what government doesn't recognize, it is clear that they could just give him some Monopoly money and say "Here you go!"
The prison library called to say there was an overdue book on his account:
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I absolutely detest the state of things right now, the NSA/Snowden revelations, corporations/lobbyists running the gov't, rights being ignored, etc. BUT that said, TImothy McVeigh was a murderer... including 18 children:
Peachlyn Bradley, 3, Oklahoma City
Gabreon D.L. Bruce, 3 months, Oklahoma City
Ashley Megan Eckles, 4, Guthrie
Baylee Almon, 1, Oklahoma City
Danielle Nicole Bell, 15 months, Oklahoma City
Zachary Taylor Chavez, 3, Oklahoma City
Anthony Christopher Cooper II, 2, Moore
Antonio Ansara Cooper Jr., 6 months, Midwest City
Aaron M. Coverdale, 5 1/2, Oklahoma City
Elijah S. Coverdale, 2 1/2, Oklahoma City
Jaci Rae Coyne, 14 months, Moore
Taylor Santoi Eaves, 8 months, Midwest City
Tevin D'Aundrae Garrett, 16 months, Midwest City
Kevin "Lee" Gottshall II, 6 months, Norman
Blake Ryan Kennedy, 1 1/2, Amber
Dominique Ravae (Johnson)-London, 2, Oklahoma City
Chase Dalton Smith, 3, Oklahoma City
Colton Wade Smith, 2, Oklahoma City
Many people are angry and frustrated, but please read those names and ages and tell me again about his 'heroism'?
'The unexamined life is not worth living' - Socrates
I think he is just going to blow up as many government buildings as he can if (he won't) he gets money. That is what he means by 'memorial groves'.
He needs to be hunted down and jailed indefinitely.
I worked about a mile away from the IRS building that Andrew Stack destroyed. It was horrific.
If you can't win on ideas and effort, don't play.
He was convicted of a crime (assuming his guilt was established correctly) and the case was overturned on a 'venue' law, so, why the fck does anyone care about this exactly? That a douche tries to one-up his haters? If I wanted that, I'd read more Rob Ford. That's a guy with actual train-wreck entertainment value.
Bye!
I would agree to pay him, but while negotiating the payment, I would make sure the IRS got word.
Can anyone say "audit".
He was recently released when a federal court overturned the conviction on grounds of improper venue.
Which means his case can retried elsewhere. He cannot claim "double jeopardy."
if the government fails to produce adequate evidence to prove an element of the crime, then the defendant is acquitted and the government doesn't get another bite at the apple. But this has nothing to do with a conviction being vacated because of a procedural error.
Does Double Jeopardy Forestall Auernheimer's Retrial?
came here for the killdozer shoutout, was not disappointed.
You can't fight city hall.
But you can knock it down if you try.
1) 28,296 Dogecoin is only worth about $13.
2) He doesn't want government-issued currency because he feels this would be paying into the system that oppressed him, and Bitcoin is the most popular private currency.
3) Dogecoin changed their money supply from fixed to infinite this year, so it's probably not safe enough to store millions of dollars. It's more of a joke/tip currency.
But still pointless, useless, and self-destructive. The letter is bad enough that if he denied writing it, I would believe that it was a character assassination attempt. The guy didn't deserve prison, but he's still an idiot.
"I will trust Google to 'do no evil' until the founders no longer run it." Hello Alphabet.
See title.
So this guy probably knows he WILL be going back to jail. It can be in a few months, or a few years: as soon as the government feels like it's time to try him in the appropriate jurisdiction. Therefore, he decided to troll the govt before going back in.
Now, praising Timothy McVeigh... Well, that's a bit over the top seeing as he was an amoral murderer. But hey, guess what, ordering someone to spend extended periods of time in the 'Special Housing Unit' (aka 23h a day in a small room with no comfort by yourself, then spending 1h outside by yourself), especially for hacking, is also pretty horrible... and apparently it can make way for sociopathy.
In this particular situation what did anyone really expect? All loopholes aside the guy was wrongfully imprisoned. Many of his supporters admit the guy was a bit of an a-hole. I cant imagine him not being pissed about what happened and wanting a little compensation. And everyone likes a little righteous retribution. Especially a-holes.
But Mister Weev seems a touch frustrated by the machinations of the american legal system as they pertain to billion dollar monopolies. The US Government has granted retroactive immunity to AT&T for a cornucopia of offenses with such timeliness as to be indistinguishable from an NTP stratum. Given the historical context in which AT&T has consistently operated, it would be no surprise if the government not only categorically refused payment, but retroactively enacted legislation ensuring Weev was guilty.
Good people go to bed earlier.
The reason drug dealers and hackers get paid so much is risk. You're paying them to take a legal or physical risk on your behalf in order to deliver the good or service. So although that bag of weed might be worth only $20, you'll get charged $40 because the dealer is passing along the cost of potentially going to prison. When you add up all his profits and multiply by his chances of imprisonment, you will get the value the dealer/hacker places on NOT being in prison. This is part of the reason why drugs purchased online are cheaper (ignoring shipping) - there is a much lower risk to the dealer.
So when Weev asks for reimbursement for his time in prison, he should be saying it's to pay back his customers, not to build a shrine. His self-reported market value is BECAUSE there was a chance of being thrown in prison for years. Would he be paying the state back if he hadn't been arrested?
I would have considered him a hero if he hadn't offed himself, which is certainly a cowardly act. That aside, the rampage itself was as American as you get.
Suicide is generally caused by mental illness. Whether you characterize it as cowardice or not is a philosophical distinction, but portraying the "cowardly act" of a mentally ill person as a correctable character flaw vs. an illness that needs medical attention is unproductive.
this guy's a dirtball.
Exactly. There are those that want to claim you have to support domestic terrorists, or else be considered part of the problem. Sadly, those who idolize domestic terrorists are as much a problem as government bureaucrats. Neither has respect for life.
And tell me, as an innocent person who got harmed, did you have any time to think about people being harmed when McVeigh murdered them, in spite of them being innocent third parties totally unrelated to McVeigh's ostensible oppression, and also completely unrelated to anyone's complaints about the federal government?
Weev, there's something really important that you need to hear, so please pay attention to this: Fuck You.
I'm a fellow government-hater, except.. no. You are too much of a worthless piece of shit asshole for me to want to be a fellow anything with you. Please, please go fuck yourself (preferably with a bullet), so that they rest of us can spread advocacy of moving power back away from DC to more accountable localities, without worthless pieces of shit like you, distracting them with their nutcase "I know how to solve this civics problem: let's murder a bunch of innocent bystanders!" distractions. You are not helping, asshole.
Well, maybe you are helping someone.
I was sorry you got fucked, but your attempt to retroactively earn what happened to you, seems to have nullified the emotional component of that. You just did the feds a big favor; they used to have to worry about having made you a martyr, but now they can sigh with relief. When they falsely arrest the next guy, instead of the public crying out, "oh no you don't, not again!" the people will say, "Oh, another McVeigh clone? I'm glad you feds caught him in time."
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
Just because his conviction wasn't proper, doesn't mean he's not an asshat, or even that he didn't break the law. Note that his conviction was overturned because of the venue (meaning it was tried in the wrong court) not because of a problem with the charge or evidence. Now that's a good thing, the state needs to do everything properly in a trial, and if they fail to do so, the defendant gets to walk. That is a cornerstone of the American justice system.
This is just him showing more asshattery, and a pretty good indication that his time free is likely to be only temporary. Anyone with that level of delusion and self grandeur is likely to do something illegal again, and sooner rather than later, and the state will probably make sure to do everything right the second time around.
Like a friend of mine used to work in the PD's office. He got a client who had been arrested for tagging (graffiti) since a cop stopped him and found sharpie markers in his pockets. The kid had sure as shit been tagging and had used said markers to do it, but the cop hadn't seen that, and had no reason to search him, so my friend got it tossed out. So what happened? Same kid went and tagged again, but this time the cops watched him do it and caught him in the act. The kid was miffed my friend couldn't do anything the second time.
Yeah? Well you're a fucking idiot who knows nothing about everything.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
>spent 13 months in jail for trying to help AT&T fix a security flaw
Hmm, no, never mind. Normally I'd be willing to let this kind of spin fly, but it's hard to sympathize with the asshole.
There's no use in being "right" in a country where justice is basically discretionary and subject to motives (emotion, money) more than the good of the people, or even the very letter of the law. As a result, it's pretty stupid to be an asshole for the hell of it, unless you have MegaCorp-grade lawyers.
was a coward.
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Fuck him in the ass with baseball bat with nails sticking out of it. McVeigh committed mass murder and terrorism. He deliberately killed children. I didn't give a shit about weev, but now I hope they fucking bury him alive.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
I hope he gets everything that he asks for.
Yes the Timothy McVeigh, Andrew Stack, and Marvin Heemeyer part was in very poor taste. Yes his "open letter" is childish.
I don't care. The government doesn't get to abuse someones rights, no matter how much of an asshole that person may be.
Man, having never heard of this guy before, I was rather sympathetic and thinking "Man, finally a use for all those FBI-confiscated Bitcoins" until that last part about Tim McVeigh... Then all I could think was "Uh...wow, screw this asshat."
Friend: "The NIC is misconfigured..." Me: "No prob, I'll just telnet in and fix it." *Silence*
What a load of horseshit.
Patriots don't go around bombing civilian targets. That sort of shit winds you solidy in the terrorist category.
weev? You were doing okay until you mouthed off with that nonsense. I hope some freewheeling fed decides to pop you.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hhZha3x_jYw/U3zWDA1ih7I/AAAAAAAAArc/tEE4IhZ6ezM/s874-no/weevsnowden2016.png
Which just means that he can be tried, again, in the proper venue.
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The reason drug dealers and hackers get paid so much is risk. You're paying them to take a legal or physical risk on your behalf in order to deliver the good or service. So although that bag of weed might be worth only $20, you'll get charged $40 because the dealer is passing along the cost of potentially going to prison. When you add up all his profits and multiply by his chances of imprisonment, you will get the value the dealer/hacker places on NOT being in prison. This is part of the reason why drugs purchased online are cheaper (ignoring shipping) - there is a much lower risk to the dealer.
So when Weev asks for reimbursement for his time in prison, he should be saying it's to pay back his customers, not to build a shrine. His self-reported market value is BECAUSE there was a chance of being thrown in prison for years. Would he be paying the state back if he hadn't been arrested?
Is that there is no way they were complicit in anything.
So the crazy nutball shithead argument for the OKC bombing is something along the lines of the government being evil, the workers in that building being part of some government conspiracy, etc, etc. You can see that kind of bullshit logic in one of the other replies to the grandparent, who talks about "McVeigh's actual targets" and gets all conspiracy nut as though it was the government's fault.
Ok fine, but even if you accept that BS, there's the issue of the kids present. They weren't involved, they weren't complicit, etc. So it is a pretty hard action to defend. Even if someone buys in to the fact that government agents some how "deserve it" you have to deal with the fact that he chose a target where employees bring their children (and there are other federal facilities where that's not allowed).
I was with him right up until he revealed his love of deranged, hillbilly trash like McVeigh. Weev did get a raw deal, but it is worth mentioning that the people in the justice system (that run it) are in fact people, and people (flawed as they are) love seeing assholes (like Weev) get their comeuppance. And given what an asshole he is, I'd say that comeuppance was a long time coming.
But hey, good news for him: He now has a legitimate cause to fight for the rest of his life. If this keeps him from discrediting other causes through his support (this manifesto essentially makes Weev completely toxic to any political activism on any topic, forever, period) then we should consider it a net win.
Who did what now?
Please help me out here. I'm all for moving power *away* from DC to more accountable localities, but can you kindly fill me in on the methodology?
You see; I'm of the opinion that the government, particularly the federal government, has become so corrupted, so full of bad political influence by monied interests, so controlled by cash (particularly in light of Citizens United and other rulings that claim that money==speech), that the only way I can see to bring the country back to rationality is via armed conflict.
And then many people, including, unfortunately, innocent bystanders will be killed -- and it's also unfortunate to realize that our own country and armed forces kill innocent bystanders regularly -- in other countries, and yet, my guess is that you're *not* willing to consider our armed forces as the same pieces of shit McVeigh was.
Please understand me; I'm *not* attempting to defend McVeigh, I am just pointing out that when it's done by "one guy", it's terrorism, and when it's done by an institution, it's Foreign Policy.
Drone Strikes have allowed America to kill entire parties of people, including women and children, with impunity, with no answerable oversight, with no reporting by the media, and with no outrage from the American people. We, as a country, are guilty of murder a million times over, and yet we regard McVeigh as the monster.
So, please, let me know what you're proposing; I'm ready to listen. I'm hoping for a convincing argument that we are not already lost as a country; because right now the 1% run things, and we have zero say in the matter. America is a schoolyard bully, and we have a long way to go before maturing into a responsible world citizen.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
/. Has been trolled. Nice job disincentivizing the trolls, editors. But this is /. where trolling = clickbait = good.
boo hoo
So I assume he shits out gold bars for a living?
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I'd like a pony.... Preferably Fluttershy.
his idolization of McVeigh shows how disconnected his thought processes are...
the ego plays into it where if you asked Weev about this, he'd launch into a rambling speech/manifesto about his worldview and how it is superior and if you don't get it then you won't understand the McVeigh thing
again it's about shutting out any other points of view internally...it's a sign of narcissism
i'm not saying Weev is crazy but he's evidencing really bad judgement & this explains where it comes from
Thank you Dave Raggett
A Søren Renner, Jewy Goldstein, Memehopper Production.
McVeigh knew he was going to take out a day-care center. Anyone remember the photos of those babies being pulled out of the wreckage? I still do.
Here's to hot beer, cold women, and Glaswegian kisses for all.
At least they have one thing in common: they're all dead. Maybe he'll soon follow?
I agree that he was wronged. But rather than imply threats or demand money in an "open letter", he would be FAR better off getting an attorney and pressing charges under 18 U.S.C. 242, "Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law".
At first glance it appears to be an anti-discrimination statute. But on closer reading (and by both Congressional intent and court affirmation), it applies to all Constitutional and Common Law rights.
Government officials and law enforcement are not immune... the statute was specifically intended to curb governmental abuse.
The maximum penalty is life in prison. The conviction rate for 18 USC 242 once charges have been brought is impressive. Well over 90%.
Hello? So what, he gave a shot out to Timothy McVeigh -- the intention was to deliver insult to the federal government (the FBI whose building was demolished) who would be most offended by such a comment.
Because he credited McVeigh, that reflects only on his styling of writing and presentation -- not on his innocence or guilt nor the innocence or guilt of the federal government. That being said, now stop colluding the issue with your simpleton lack of reading comprehension. Jesus Christ, do any of you read any literature at all? Or are you all just pro-government spambots?
This man was wronged, he has every right to be pissed, he has every right to be compensated. If you can't handle a passing reference to "Timothy McVeigh" then don't throw an innocent man in prison after removing him from his home at gunpoint. The "crime" of appealing to Timothy McVeigh does not even come remotely close to how offensive the crime was that the FBI commit against Weev.
The way in which you demoralize Weev now for this letter would be as if to demoralize a Hallocaust survivor for praising Franklin Delano Roosevelt. How many Germans have died as of result of FDR's actions? Certainly more feds than Timothy McVeigh killed, I'll tell you that.
Get over yourself, the government is wrong here. Don't let Weev's sense of flair in writing fool you of anything else.
That list of kids needs a little balance
The US has the largest prison population by far in the entire world, both by numbers and proportion of the population. And that is directly attributable to the police-state infrastructure created and perpetuated by the Federal government
Now and again the geek needs to be reminded of how federalism really works in the US.
The prison population of the US varies enormously by state. But the states of the desert Southwest and the old Southern Confederacy are right up there --- and it is damn hard to see them following the federal lead on anything.
Here is a small sampling:
Prisoners per 100,000 population
1 Louisiana 867
5 Texas 648
7 Florida 556
14 Virginia 468
20 California 448
39 New York 288
41 Washington 269
48 Massachusetts 200
50 Maine 148
List of U.S. states by incarceration rate
posting anon, as his style is consistent.
Why is no one mentioning that weev was the GNAA president?
c0w goes moo.
Due process is for wimps. Even the left praises the Magnitsky Act as a way to go after those who violate human rights. But the irony to me is that the law itself is an abuse of rights, such as the right to a fair trial. The act was passed for all the right reasons, but it is as evil as any of the other blunders we have made in the US.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
What happens when the Federal government realizes it can devote massive amounts of it's computing resources to bitcoin mining?
The US government uses solitary confinement in federal prisons as a weapon specifically designed to inflict long-lasting and debilitating mental illness. This "letter" is what the end result of solitary confinement looks like. They took a stupid kid with some potential but a bad attitude and turned him, in all likelihood, in to a lifelong criminal with a bitter hatred of the US.
He's insane for aligning himself with McVeigh. That's absolutely clear. Can you guess what sort of confinement is routinely practiced in US federal prisons that's been proven to cause insanity (read: mental illness)?
"Notorious troll posts controversial letter". We're really doing this? Was no one else around when gnaa tagged every Slashdot article?
c0w goes moo.
Seems to me that the conditions of these supermax prisons have driven this defendant over the edge. It's well known that psychosis is the unwritten "punishment" one often receives as a result of the isolation conditions. It's basically torture and I'd say this young man has suffered significant psychological damage as a result. Otherwise, why in the world would he distribute something like this now, instead of at least rationally waiting until after the deadline for the government to decide whether or not to appeal this case to the Supreme Court? He's lost it, big time and needs help. No doubt he got railroaded, though. The "crime" here was ATT not securing customer information. He's no criminal for looking at it or even automating a way to look at it.
An interesting audio interview with Weev from risky.biz (well works subscribing to the podcast).
http://risky.biz/RB319
He would have had me if he never invoked McVeigh's name. I can't stand by murders of people and those who do. Too bad because most everything he said in the letter was true. But when you mix in one lie with a pile of truth you end up with a pile of lies.
Paul E. Bahre
So all I have to do to earn millions from the US Gov't is to act like an A-Hole. If that were the case there should be a lot more people getting $$$ from DC. What BS and you are all buying in to it.
Sometimes, it's just better to shut up and be quiet. Why poke an angry beehive with a stick, unless you want to get stung?
Mate, this is expensive, 1 bitcoin for each hour of sexual service... not even the best pron stars and luxury prostitutes earn this much... I bet he is exaggerating about his professional skills.
-- 29A the number of the Beast
I'm just arguing based upon actually reading about the man and expanding my understanding instead of just calling him names and demonizing him mindlessly. The world is not black and white. Learn some history.
I would say more but the post is written by a child not mature enough to discuss the issue.
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