The problem with all of you is that you all are hung up on the word "theory". Which science really doesn't use that much any more. The aim of science is to produce a predictive model. Over time models get replaced or refined by later models as they get subjected to greater and refined tests.
Newton's Model was replaced by Einstein's which was further refined by Hawking which is now in the process of being refined by whatever version of string theory, if any works out. (A very simplistic and nickel analysis of the process.
2) Surface expedition. Landing at, and taking off from, Mars' surface. Mars' gravity is much stronger than the Moon's - the expeditionary module needs a really big rocket to return to Mars' orbit, which means it needs to be really big.
Don't forget there's also the atmosphere to contend with. Not thick enough to breathe or shield you against anything space throws at the surface, but enough to contend with when it comes to landing AND liftoff.
Setting up shop at a Lagrange point is a whole lot more interesting and likely profitable. Unless you really want little green men.
Profitable in what sense? What exactly is waiting to be mined at a Lagrange Point? It may be a good place to anchor a space telescope, but what beyond that?
Because we need resources, and we can get those resource from asteroids. Also, we need to expand for the survival of the species.
Ironically the tech to make what you speculate to happen will only come about as a spin off from space exploration.
People in VR? we need to put them some place, we need them to be able to be still for large amounts of time, we need complete automated systems, and so on.
Technical spinoffs occur when you have any major effort in research and applied technology. There's a popular myth that the space program is the major, perhaps only source of "spinoffs". That's simply not true.
The Chinese. Right. Because they have rovers on Mars... uh... because they have orbiters around Saturn... uh... because they have probes in interstellar space... uh... because they have space telescopes... uh... because they have a mission to Pluto... uh...
Try again.
The US of 1960 had none of those, either. Yet in 1969 Neil Armstrong was standing in the Sea of Tranquility.
The Apollo Mission wasn't driven by the lure of exploration, but by the massive Cold War fear of the Soviet Union getting there first. As bad as Putin might be barking now, we're not nearly as afraid of them as we once were.
Last time I used Google Maps, it wanted me to sign in. I went back to Apple's app, even though it doesn't work as well. My personal paranoia, YMMV.
Google maps wants you to sign in so that you can access your personal lists of bookmarks and places. It's a very useful feature for quickly plotting travel times and routes to frequent places you want to go. I make heavy use of it for public transit. Your personal paranoia is barring your own access to a handy utility. Are they using this data to keep track of your shopping preferences, probably. Do I give a flipping damm? No.
you bought a highly outdated android phone. of course it will make you want to switch to the latest iphone.
The "highly outdated android phone" is running KitKat. The hardware spec difference between the 3 and the 5 and especially the 4 is hardly enough to qualify as "highly outdated", and the software is identical to that running on the 5.
Vandalism, malicious mischief, and greater crimes are the crimes they are no matter what means they produced by. If the means is by computer hacking, that doesn't make the harm any less severe.
.... they have a point. The interdependence of and increasingly wide spread use of computer controlled systems means that it's not a matter of if but when some malicious hacker is going to commit an act which brings widespread devastation, financial damage, perhaps even death. It's no longer just phreaking with the blue boxes any more kiddies. That's why I want to seriously know how Google is going to guard it's self driving cars against deliberate acts of malice. And I'm hoping that the U.S. military is keeping a similarly paranoid look at the possibility of remote drone hijacking. I still don't believe in the death penalty, but crimes committed through computer hacking should be punished on a scale that fits the damage they do, both intentional and collateral.
My spouses 4S is working just fine with 7.1. Since 8 is not going to have a greater overhead in it's basic operations, there's no reason not to make it available to any phone that can run the current IOS.
I do not understand your problem. The 4S WILL get iOS 8. Like the parent posters wrote, only the 4 (non-S) won't receive the update.
My quote was in response to the poster that claimed IOS8 was going to obsolete present phones.
Yup. At "worst" in an accelerating universe the galaxies would be receding from us at speeds that would tend asymptotically to 'c', but never at 'c' nor above.
You haven't begun to imagine the worst. see my post above.
"But not if our Universe is accelerating. If something is receding from us right now at more than 299,792.458 km/s—faster than light speed—and it’s accelerating too, how could anything reach it?"
Isn't c the upper bound of speed in our universe?
is the upper bound of acceleration through space. Think of it this way. acceleration of a point through the 3d graph of space IS limited to C. But the lines of the graph itself that define the 3d location of things in space are accelerating from each other... the farther they are from each other the farther they recede. There is no limit to that recessional velocity. You will get to a point where acceleration being fixed simply can't keep up with the recession, so you'll never reach those parts., nor will light from those parts reach your position. Vice versa applies here. We're receding at a speed greater than light from those areas. We're not feeling relativity effects because we're moving WITH OUR SPACE
I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned the ultimate consequence of this recessional acceleration. Eventually the regions where this shows as an effect become smaller and smaller. Galaxy super clusters, then clusters, then galaxies fly apart, and that's when the effect really accelerates, shortly there after, solar systems, stars, planets, and ultimately even the atoms that once composed you and I fly apart as even as the recessional lines of space, accelerated by dark energy rip our observable universe down to a literal NOTHING. So the other end of the Big Bang becomes a Big Rip. Look it up.
Heard it all before. Earth is flat, humans flying is impossible, break the sound barrier and you die, yadda, yadda...
If you don't understand the difference between a line of uninformed idiots who kept saying "You can't have a rocket in space because there would be nothing to push against", displaying complete ignorance of Newton's laws, and the limits which are the consequence of well-reasoned scientific models such as C being an absolute limit of material acceleration, then you flat out don't understand the difference between a scientific approach and simply drawing limits out of your butt.
It's probably also why Apple is pushing Bing! as the default (although Google and Yahoo will still be available for search engines just as Bing! is already an option. It's also probably why Apple simply didn't write off it's investment in Apple Maps and is continuing to work on it's own Maps program. (although until it gets Transit options, I'll still be using Google Maps, thank you very much)
I'll admit I bought a Nokia 920 when it came out, thinking WP8 along with the supposedly great camera would make for a great phone.
Long story short, I'm going to get an Android phone this weekend. WP8 has a lot of nice ideas, but like everything MS, they managed to throw in enough lemons to make it a mediocre product overall.
What about the camera? Is it worth just using as a camera?
I recently got a Galaxy 3 through Craigslist. I still miss my iPhone. I'm schizo enough about it to still want one and I believe I'd wind up switching between the two on a weekly basis. Although once I'm on 10.10 and IOS 8, I believe I'd be on the iphone full time.
Of all the things to chastise them about - software updates isn't one of them. There's frequently and consistently BRAND NEW Android phones that don't support software that's been out for months before before the phone is even announced.
Get with the bandwagon here. This is Slashdot. Whatever Apple does, it has to be wrong... even when we've been screaming for the exact same thing to be done for our Android phones.
iOS 8 will not be available in the STILL ON SALE iPhone 4.
False. The iPhone 4 was discontinued September 10, 2013.
It's successor, the iPhone 4S was first on sale October 14, 2011. Everyone who bought an iPhone 4 after that date knew they were buying an older model which would reach it's end of support sooner than the current model.
Apple stop providing older iPhones with OS updates when they are no longer powerful enough to support current OS release. They got it wrong once, by providing one two many OS updates for the iPhone 3G. And were heavily criticised for it - including by you. You can't have it both ways.
By contrast most Android phones sold NEVER get an OS update.
My spouses 4S is working just fine with 7.1. Since 8 is not going to have a greater overhead in it's basic operations, there's no reason not to make it available to any phone that can run the current IOS.
Think about it less in terms of people and more in terms of what a search engine will find for you.
Right now, when I type in "yosemite mac" into a Google search, I get 4 news stories from today's WWDC and the fifth match is the "Power Macintosh G3 (Blue & White)" Wikipedia page. In a few hours, those WWDC news articles will fade. Fast forward to 18 months from now, and you will get an unholy mish-mash of results from that somewhat ambiguous search term.
Apple will probably regret this name overlap, if not at the top of the organization, then at the bottom where they have to deal with customer service as a daily concern. I can just picture someone at the Apple store saying "I did some research on Google and these new Yosemite Macs won't run anything past 10.3! But you're selling 10.10 right next to them! You're ripping me off! I'm clueless!" (Maybe that last part wouldn't be out loud, but it would certainly be understood.)
Not knowing the difference in a mix of search results is exactly the problem.
What you're not taking into account is that people will be talking, blogging, flaming, etc about OS X Yosemitie from now until the next decade. That's certainly going to push it far above any posts about a machine that's been out of production for almost two decades now.
You know this is a week long event, right?
You know that they haven't announced iPhone 6 but it's sure to be there, right?
You're just looking at a reason to crap on Apple or you'd have known to hold your tongue... not like you're every going to be impressed with anything they release regardless of how good it is, to be sure.
Hardware announcements would have been made on the keynote. Mind that this is the developer's conference. The hardware announcements people are looking for are probably going to be in the media event later on in the year.
Looks like I'll be using 10.6.8 for at least a decade.
Hopefully by then Cook and Ive will be history and OS X will to back to being 3-D and UNIX POSIX compatible (for get the iOS crap).
Ha ha
I built my Hackintosh on Snow Leopard. I'm so much happier with it running on 10.9.3. It does tend to open up the field of running software quite a bit, and I also love notifications. I'm not a big fan of a flat Dock, but I'm assuming that 3d will still be an option, and even if it's not.... it's not a deal breaker for me.
POSIX compatibility is really only an issue for some nonhuman who thinks that the X Windows, Lynx, and the Terminal should be the only interfaces available on the Mac. In other words the average slashdot geek who's hardly in touch with the human race at all
Amazon has never told anyone how many kindles they've sold. Where did that 40 million number come from?
can tell that Amazon sold a lot of Kindle Fire HDXs by the after market which has sprung up to support them in cases specifically fitted for them. Amazon did sell a ton of these last Christmas with their brilliant marketing strategy of one... offering them for 100 dollars cheaper than the equivalent IPad and Two: letting you pay them out for a year with a no-interest loan so the only up front cost was $129 dollars for the 16 gb wifi 8.9 inch tablet. It's why I bought mine. While the iPad has a comparable display, the Kindle wins out overall for serving entertainment because of it's superior audio output.
all in all it was that Xmas deal that moved the product out so well.
No idea how the Kindle destoryed the Nook market when you can take both devices side by side and find the Nook to be quite better (in specs and functionality).
Because the original non-Android Kindle was the best book reader in the pack. It still is because it doesn't try to be anything else. It doesn't have the overhead of a large operating system, a color display, the infrastructure to run a bunch of applications that have nothing to do with book reading. And you didn't have to worry about charging it on a daily basis because it just sipped it's battery, not drank it like a man dying of thirst. It was just a plain effective book reader that magically received books from the Amazon server when you ordered them.
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The problem with all of you is that you all are hung up on the word "theory". Which science really doesn't use that much any more. The aim of science is to produce a predictive model. Over time models get replaced or refined by later models as they get subjected to greater and refined tests. Newton's Model was replaced by Einstein's which was further refined by Hawking which is now in the process of being refined by whatever version of string theory, if any works out. (A very simplistic and nickel analysis of the process.
2) Surface expedition. Landing at, and taking off from, Mars' surface. Mars' gravity is much stronger than the Moon's - the expeditionary module needs a really big rocket to return to Mars' orbit, which means it needs to be really big.
Don't forget there's also the atmosphere to contend with. Not thick enough to breathe or shield you against anything space throws at the surface, but enough to contend with when it comes to landing AND liftoff.
Setting up shop at a Lagrange point is a whole lot more interesting and likely profitable. Unless you really want little green men.
Profitable in what sense? What exactly is waiting to be mined at a Lagrange Point? It may be a good place to anchor a space telescope, but what beyond that?
Because we need resources, and we can get those resource from asteroids. Also, we need to expand for the survival of the species.
Ironically the tech to make what you speculate to happen will only come about as a spin off from space exploration. People in VR? we need to put them some place, we need them to be able to be still for large amounts of time, we need complete automated systems, and so on.
Technical spinoffs occur when you have any major effort in research and applied technology. There's a popular myth that the space program is the major, perhaps only source of "spinoffs". That's simply not true.
The Chinese. Right. Because they have rovers on Mars... uh... because they have orbiters around Saturn... uh... because they have probes in interstellar space... uh... because they have space telescopes... uh... because they have a mission to Pluto... uh...
Try again.
The US of 1960 had none of those, either. Yet in 1969 Neil Armstrong was standing in the Sea of Tranquility.
The Apollo Mission wasn't driven by the lure of exploration, but by the massive Cold War fear of the Soviet Union getting there first. As bad as Putin might be barking now, we're not nearly as afraid of them as we once were.
Last time I used Google Maps, it wanted me to sign in. I went back to Apple's app, even though it doesn't work as well. My personal paranoia, YMMV.
Google maps wants you to sign in so that you can access your personal lists of bookmarks and places. It's a very useful feature for quickly plotting travel times and routes to frequent places you want to go. I make heavy use of it for public transit. Your personal paranoia is barring your own access to a handy utility. Are they using this data to keep track of your shopping preferences, probably. Do I give a flipping damm? No.
you bought a highly outdated android phone. of course it will make you want to switch to the latest iphone.
The "highly outdated android phone" is running KitKat. The hardware spec difference between the 3 and the 5 and especially the 4 is hardly enough to qualify as "highly outdated", and the software is identical to that running on the 5.
Vandalism, malicious mischief, and greater crimes are the crimes they are no matter what means they produced by. If the means is by computer hacking, that doesn't make the harm any less severe.
You don't get a pass for sticking a spear in someone's chest, just because they exposed their belly.
.... they have a point. The interdependence of and increasingly wide spread use of computer controlled systems means that it's not a matter of if but when some malicious hacker is going to commit an act which brings widespread devastation, financial damage, perhaps even death. It's no longer just phreaking with the blue boxes any more kiddies. That's why I want to seriously know how Google is going to guard it's self driving cars against deliberate acts of malice. And I'm hoping that the U.S. military is keeping a similarly paranoid look at the possibility of remote drone hijacking. I still don't believe in the death penalty, but crimes committed through computer hacking should be punished on a scale that fits the damage they do, both intentional and collateral.
My spouses 4S is working just fine with 7.1. Since 8 is not going to have a greater overhead in it's basic operations, there's no reason not to make it available to any phone that can run the current IOS.
I do not understand your problem. The 4S WILL get iOS 8. Like the parent posters wrote, only the 4 (non-S) won't receive the update.
My quote was in response to the poster that claimed IOS8 was going to obsolete present phones.
Yup. At "worst" in an accelerating universe the galaxies would be receding from us at speeds that would tend asymptotically to 'c', but never at 'c' nor above.
You haven't begun to imagine the worst. see my post above.
"But not if our Universe is accelerating. If something is receding from us right now at more than 299,792.458 km/s—faster than light speed—and it’s accelerating too, how could anything reach it?"
Isn't c the upper bound of speed in our universe?
is the upper bound of acceleration through space. Think of it this way. acceleration of a point through the 3d graph of space IS limited to C. But the lines of the graph itself that define the 3d location of things in space are accelerating from each other... the farther they are from each other the farther they recede. There is no limit to that recessional velocity. You will get to a point where acceleration being fixed simply can't keep up with the recession, so you'll never reach those parts., nor will light from those parts reach your position. Vice versa applies here. We're receding at a speed greater than light from those areas. We're not feeling relativity effects because we're moving WITH OUR SPACE
I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned the ultimate consequence of this recessional acceleration. Eventually the regions where this shows as an effect become smaller and smaller. Galaxy super clusters, then clusters, then galaxies fly apart, and that's when the effect really accelerates, shortly there after, solar systems, stars, planets, and ultimately even the atoms that once composed you and I fly apart as even as the recessional lines of space, accelerated by dark energy rip our observable universe down to a literal NOTHING. So the other end of the Big Bang becomes a Big Rip. Look it up.
Seriously. Dark energy is hypothetical.
Heard it all before. Earth is flat, humans flying is impossible, break the sound barrier and you die, yadda, yadda...
If you don't understand the difference between a line of uninformed idiots who kept saying "You can't have a rocket in space because there would be nothing to push against", displaying complete ignorance of Newton's laws, and the limits which are the consequence of well-reasoned scientific models such as C being an absolute limit of material acceleration, then you flat out don't understand the difference between a scientific approach and simply drawing limits out of your butt.
It's probably also why Apple is pushing Bing! as the default (although Google and Yahoo will still be available for search engines just as Bing! is already an option. It's also probably why Apple simply didn't write off it's investment in Apple Maps and is continuing to work on it's own Maps program. (although until it gets Transit options, I'll still be using Google Maps, thank you very much)
I'll admit I bought a Nokia 920 when it came out, thinking WP8 along with the supposedly great camera would make for a great phone. Long story short, I'm going to get an Android phone this weekend. WP8 has a lot of nice ideas, but like everything MS, they managed to throw in enough lemons to make it a mediocre product overall.
What about the camera? Is it worth just using as a camera?
I recently got a Galaxy 3 through Craigslist. I still miss my iPhone. I'm schizo enough about it to still want one and I believe I'd wind up switching between the two on a weekly basis. Although once I'm on 10.10 and IOS 8, I believe I'd be on the iphone full time.
Of all the things to chastise them about - software updates isn't one of them. There's frequently and consistently BRAND NEW Android phones that don't support software that's been out for months before before the phone is even announced.
Get with the bandwagon here. This is Slashdot. Whatever Apple does, it has to be wrong... even when we've been screaming for the exact same thing to be done for our Android phones.
iOS 8 will not be available in the STILL ON SALE iPhone 4.
False. The iPhone 4 was discontinued September 10, 2013.
It's successor, the iPhone 4S was first on sale October 14, 2011. Everyone who bought an iPhone 4 after that date knew they were buying an older model which would reach it's end of support sooner than the current model.
Apple stop providing older iPhones with OS updates when they are no longer powerful enough to support current OS release. They got it wrong once, by providing one two many OS updates for the iPhone 3G. And were heavily criticised for it - including by you. You can't have it both ways.
By contrast most Android phones sold NEVER get an OS update.
My spouses 4S is working just fine with 7.1. Since 8 is not going to have a greater overhead in it's basic operations, there's no reason not to make it available to any phone that can run the current IOS.
Think about it less in terms of people and more in terms of what a search engine will find for you.
Right now, when I type in "yosemite mac" into a Google search, I get 4 news stories from today's WWDC and the fifth match is the "Power Macintosh G3 (Blue & White)" Wikipedia page. In a few hours, those WWDC news articles will fade. Fast forward to 18 months from now, and you will get an unholy mish-mash of results from that somewhat ambiguous search term.
Apple will probably regret this name overlap, if not at the top of the organization, then at the bottom where they have to deal with customer service as a daily concern. I can just picture someone at the Apple store saying "I did some research on Google and these new Yosemite Macs won't run anything past 10.3! But you're selling 10.10 right next to them! You're ripping me off! I'm clueless!" (Maybe that last part wouldn't be out loud, but it would certainly be understood.)
Not knowing the difference in a mix of search results is exactly the problem.
What you're not taking into account is that people will be talking, blogging, flaming, etc about OS X Yosemitie from now until the next decade. That's certainly going to push it far above any posts about a machine that's been out of production for almost two decades now.
OS X is still more than POSIX compatible, it's UNIX certified, including the current version.
I wasn't disputing Posix compatibity, just pointing out that the question is totally irrelevant to what I need from a personal computer.
You know this is a week long event, right? You know that they haven't announced iPhone 6 but it's sure to be there, right? You're just looking at a reason to crap on Apple or you'd have known to hold your tongue... not like you're every going to be impressed with anything they release regardless of how good it is, to be sure.
Hardware announcements would have been made on the keynote. Mind that this is the developer's conference. The hardware announcements people are looking for are probably going to be in the media event later on in the year.
Looks like I'll be using 10.6.8 for at least a decade.
Hopefully by then Cook and Ive will be history and OS X will to back to being 3-D and UNIX POSIX compatible (for get the iOS crap).
Ha ha
I built my Hackintosh on Snow Leopard. I'm so much happier with it running on 10.9.3. It does tend to open up the field of running software quite a bit, and I also love notifications. I'm not a big fan of a flat Dock, but I'm assuming that 3d will still be an option, and even if it's not.... it's not a deal breaker for me.
POSIX compatibility is really only an issue for some nonhuman who thinks that the X Windows, Lynx, and the Terminal should be the only interfaces available on the Mac. In other words the average slashdot geek who's hardly in touch with the human race at all
Amazon has never told anyone how many kindles they've sold. Where did that 40 million number come from?
can tell that Amazon sold a lot of Kindle Fire HDXs by the after market which has sprung up to support them in cases specifically fitted for them. Amazon did sell a ton of these last Christmas with their brilliant marketing strategy of one... offering them for 100 dollars cheaper than the equivalent IPad and Two: letting you pay them out for a year with a no-interest loan so the only up front cost was $129 dollars for the 16 gb wifi 8.9 inch tablet. It's why I bought mine. While the iPad has a comparable display, the Kindle wins out overall for serving entertainment because of it's superior audio output.
all in all it was that Xmas deal that moved the product out so well.
No idea how the Kindle destoryed the Nook market when you can take both devices side by side and find the Nook to be quite better (in specs and functionality).
Because the original non-Android Kindle was the best book reader in the pack. It still is because it doesn't try to be anything else. It doesn't have the overhead of a large operating system, a color display, the infrastructure to run a bunch of applications that have nothing to do with book reading. And you didn't have to worry about charging it on a daily basis because it just sipped it's battery, not drank it like a man dying of thirst. It was just a plain effective book reader that magically received books from the Amazon server when you ordered them.