Sorry about the fibre channel, it was supposed to be $1280 (ATTO Dual Channel 2Gb)
When the machine dies you drop in the spare motherboard you drop in the spare you have on the shelf.
We are running Redhat 8.0 custom install. No need to purchase Advanced Server. No need for purchased support since we have people here that know what they are doing.
As for cheap parts, no. Intel Xeons, Mushin DDR, Intel Dual mobo, Intel 10/100/1000, 4U case that DOES fit 8 drives, Enermax 450W PS. Escalade 7500-8 8 Channel Raid Card. All server class hardware...
As for saying there is a marker for it, yes there is. After all Mac does have what, 2% of the market?
Dual Xeon 2.2 Ghz
1 Gig DDR 2700 RAM
8 x 200 ATA133/7200 HD (1.6 TB)
10/100/1000 NIC
Escalade 7500 8 Channel Raid 0/1/5/10
Rack Mount Case, et al. w/450 W PS
Linux 8.0
$4,050 + s/h
XServe
Start with the middle XServe and you'll have to add the extra storage space fo $1000.00
That brings you to $8,499.00 +s/h
$4500.00 difference
If you need the fibre channel, add $280 to the top machine and $499 to the XServe Raid.
You are exactly right. Apple zealots would buy this but anyone else who is responsible for purchasing servers would have a hard time selling this to management.
"Ok.. now explain to me again why we should buy these 3 XServe machines rather than these 6 Xeon boxes?"
"See this little Apple symbol? it's like cool. And even while this box will sit in a rack in the data center and no one will see it, it's cool LOOKING."
And exactly why would anyone buy this machine rather than build out a x86 box running linux?
1) Because they are pretentiously cool.
2) They are stupid
3) They are rich
4) They are stupid & rich
I keep hearing people complain, "Bush just wants to go to war over oil."
I couldn't give two s**ts. Will it make the gas prices go down by a nickel? Yes!? Cool. Start up the bombers..
The fact that the world pumps billions into the middle east and they can't figure out how to live in anything but what would equate in most parts of the world as a hut, that is their problem.
When Nike contracts with some sweatshop employing people for $2.00 a day US (which is usually more than they could make ANYWHERE else and that's why they never have a shortage of people willing to work), people cry, "We are exploiting them. It's so bad" What do you think would happen if these workers were paid 120 bucks a day? Do you think that would wreak havok on their local economies? Damn right it would.
I took the movie Beetlejuice and ripped it from the dvd, pulled the audio apart, edited out the F word and re-mastered the dvd and burned it back to a DVD-R so my kids could watch it. Screw the industry telling me how to treat what what I buy.
Asus A7N266-VM AA - $71 (NewEgg)
Hauppauge WinTV - $27 (ebay)
Xp1700 CPU - $51 (Newegg)
Kingston 128Meg 2100DDR - $32 (Newegg)
WD 80gig - $99 (Newegg)
FoxConn Case w/300W ps - $30 (Newegg)
Total was $325, most of the items from new egg were free shipping. So I was a little off.
For less than $300 I just built a PVR using PowerVCR II software, a modest cpu based system and an 80 gig drive. And when I'm done recording episodes of 24 I just share them p2p in a standard mpeg format.
Screw TiVo and them removing features from their product just to bow to the **AA's
My 6 year old found my Beetlejuice tape and I forgot there was a senseless, out of place F work in the middle of it. What did I do? I rented the dvd, ripped it, edited the soundtrack and remuxed to a cleaner copy, burned it to DVD and gave it to him to watch on the dvd instead of tape.
I would have likely paid some company 20 bucks to do it for me but I knew how to do it myself.
Either method should be legal, screw hollywood and all it's about.
If enough people do something a certain way then it becomes the standard. IE has created lazy programmers because IE is so forgiving when it comes to poorly formed HTML. Add on top of that to the improvements (yes I said improvements) to how Javascript works.
Javascript is an abortion of a scripting language that was rushed to market long before it was ready and IE makes happy with it.
I know it's not cool to say nice things about M$ but that's just how it is.
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Sorry about the fibre channel, it was supposed to be $1280 (ATTO Dual Channel 2Gb)
When the machine dies you drop in the spare motherboard you drop in the spare you have on the shelf.
We are running Redhat 8.0 custom install. No need to purchase Advanced Server. No need for purchased support since we have people here that know what they are doing.
As for cheap parts, no. Intel Xeons, Mushin DDR, Intel Dual mobo, Intel 10/100/1000, 4U case that DOES fit 8 drives, Enermax 450W PS. Escalade 7500-8 8 Channel Raid Card. All server class hardware...
As for saying there is a marker for it, yes there is. After all Mac does have what, 2% of the market?
Here's the system we built out for our NAS.
Dual Xeon 2.2 Ghz
1 Gig DDR 2700 RAM
8 x 200 ATA133/7200 HD (1.6 TB)
10/100/1000 NIC
Escalade 7500 8 Channel Raid 0/1/5/10
Rack Mount Case, et al. w/450 W PS
Linux 8.0
$4,050 + s/h
XServe
Start with the middle XServe and you'll have to add the extra storage space fo $1000.00
That brings you to $8,499.00 +s/h
$4500.00 difference
If you need the fibre channel, add $280 to the top machine and $499 to the XServe Raid.
Is that substantial enough?
You are exactly right. Apple zealots would buy this but anyone else who is responsible for purchasing servers would have a hard time selling this to management.
"Ok.. now explain to me again why we should buy these 3 XServe machines rather than these 6 Xeon boxes?"
"See this little Apple symbol? it's like cool. And even while this box will sit in a rack in the data center and no one will see it, it's cool LOOKING."
"Ah yes. That makes perfect sense. Order 'em up."
And exactly why would anyone buy this machine rather than build out a x86 box running linux? 1) Because they are pretentiously cool. 2) They are stupid 3) They are rich 4) They are stupid & rich
Damnit I can't agree more...
I keep hearing people complain, "Bush just wants to go to war over oil."
I couldn't give two s**ts. Will it make the gas prices go down by a nickel? Yes!? Cool. Start up the bombers..
The fact that the world pumps billions into the middle east and they can't figure out how to live in anything but what would equate in most parts of the world as a hut, that is their problem.
When Nike contracts with some sweatshop employing people for $2.00 a day US (which is usually more than they could make ANYWHERE else and that's why they never have a shortage of people willing to work), people cry, "We are exploiting them. It's so bad" What do you think would happen if these workers were paid 120 bucks a day? Do you think that would wreak havok on their local economies? Damn right it would.
I took the movie Beetlejuice and ripped it from the dvd, pulled the audio apart, edited out the F word and re-mastered the dvd and burned it back to a DVD-R so my kids could watch it. Screw the industry telling me how to treat what what I buy.
Does your TiVo act as a jukebox as well?
And it's quite easy to use.
Asus A7N266-VM AA - $71 (NewEgg) Hauppauge WinTV - $27 (ebay) Xp1700 CPU - $51 (Newegg) Kingston 128Meg 2100DDR - $32 (Newegg) WD 80gig - $99 (Newegg) FoxConn Case w/300W ps - $30 (Newegg) Total was $325, most of the items from new egg were free shipping. So I was a little off.
For less than $300 I just built a PVR using PowerVCR II software, a modest cpu based system and an 80 gig drive. And when I'm done recording episodes of 24 I just share them p2p in a standard mpeg format. Screw TiVo and them removing features from their product just to bow to the **AA's
My 6 year old found my Beetlejuice tape and I forgot there was a senseless, out of place F work in the middle of it. What did I do? I rented the dvd, ripped it, edited the soundtrack and remuxed to a cleaner copy, burned it to DVD and gave it to him to watch on the dvd instead of tape. I would have likely paid some company 20 bucks to do it for me but I knew how to do it myself. Either method should be legal, screw hollywood and all it's about.
If enough people do something a certain way then it becomes the standard. IE has created lazy programmers because IE is so forgiving when it comes to poorly formed HTML. Add on top of that to the improvements (yes I said improvements) to how Javascript works. Javascript is an abortion of a scripting language that was rushed to market long before it was ready and IE makes happy with it. I know it's not cool to say nice things about M$ but that's just how it is.