You should be modded as troll, really. If each and every time someone is abusing a system (no matter what) and you want to cure the symphtoms instead of killing source, we will all lose in the end.
And for your information: the other guy with his terminated DSL account was spamming directly from his home computer to my MX - nothing about denial of service, open web proxy or such (yeah, dumb people are everywhere).
As long as one could identify spammers (numbers are identified, few are getting sued), one should try to sue. Of course some bastards are deeply hidden somewhere in the net, but you have to start somewhere.
Sorry but I call Challenge-Response system crap. eMail was not designed for such a challenge (well, let's forget the TCP/IP SYN/ACK). I won't burden this to my fellows mailing me. It drives network traffic as well up to the sky. Education is the way to go for spammers. Sue them if you're richt (read: AOL), complain about them if you're poor (read: everyone else) and be happy if they loose your DSL connection because of you as one guy dig who pissed me of days ago.
Creators of top-secret documents, terrorist plans or other sensitive material could assign rights to sensitive files, allowing them to be viewed only on trusted computers running the system. Anyone else -- FBI hackers, law enforcement and malicious programs included -- would be locked out.
FBI perhaps but Microsoft or the NSA is still locked in. I highly doubt that MS can design such a secure system without beeing forced to provide the master keys (eg like Crypto AG did years ago) to some evil agencies. Either they give or the drown. Same with XBox-Live where IMHO MS had to unscramble the VoIP stream (game data stream is still encrypted).
It is as long as you are subscribing for commercial mailings/newsletter/so on, but mass mailing huge amounts of "reply to subscribe" mails should IMHO still be illegal.
I don't know about Swiss laws, but in the US of A that should cover your ass fairly well. IANAL etc.
Yeah. It's a bitch. But they still could have sued me for that was was on my site as they had printouts, they even attempted to download a madonna single out of mp3board.com and stuff.
I'd have to agree with the father, this was just a big PR trick for the RIAA and its a shame they aren't suing someone with the $$$$ to fight back.
That's exactly how it works right here in my Country, Switzerland. They (IFPI) threatended every small website (read: hundreds of them) with links to MP3 search engines like mp3board.com with lawsuits, forcing them to remove the links and close their site. I was lucky, reduced the amount to pay (around 140$) and didn't had to close my site. Sidenote is of course, that major swiss newspapers have huge collection of links about MP3 stuff like ripping and sharing/searching - only that they never got a single evil letter from the IPFI. Guess now why.
J. JORDAN: Yes, basically. I don't think it's going to work either. People are still sharing the same amount of files. There's still actually a search engine available right now at RPI.
Please note that it wasn't the cellphones that caused the crash...it was the terrorists who forced their way into the cockpit that caused the plane to go down.
That's only a guess. No proof around for that. Or can you point me to a transcript of the voice recorder?
>The whitelisting is automatic. You respond to the check message, and it adds you. Otherwise you're talking to the hand, so to speak.:)
This is not automatic, this is manual. You have to send the message back manual.
>The last thing we need, IMHO, is more laws. A better, more secure (perhaps) email system is really in order.
The only time a spammer needs to be put to a judge is if they break a real law (which many, but not all, do) like cracking systems to spam, or abusing open relays (a little bit grey there).
Spammers are breaking "real" laws every second as lots the states in the US have the law against UCE as I'm sure you know. In other countries are laws against unfair competition which can be used to sue spammer. Problem is always that it is a civil case then and costs loads of money...
Blacklisting spamfriendly ISPs is the only way they learn it. Kill the source.
Sure there is no default whitelist. But if lots of people have whitelisted addresses or even specific domains - spammer will find out. spammer find out everything and abuses it. Whitelisting is perhaps an option for you but not for an enterprise which does not want to offend their customers. If someone of my friends would implement such a stupid whitelisting system, I would tell them that I just wanted to email them without whitelisting myself. It won't work in the long run or you piss of loads of people/customers. eMail is eMail and ISP (and the people behind them) should better knock off every fucking spammer around and sue them instead that we have to implement even better filters each month.
This tool is crap: This program (Active Spam Killer, or ASK for short) takes an "Active" approach in solving the problem: Everytime an email is received, a message is sent back to the sender asking for confirmation. If that sender does not confirm the message, it remains queued for delivery. If the sender confirms, the message is delivered and removed from the queue. The "confirmed" senders will be added to your "whitelist" and will never be sent another confirmation. Messages from these emails will always be delivered immediately . You can also specify an "ignorelist" for emails that should be always ignored and a "blacklist" that will cause a nastygram to be sent back to the sender everytime an email is received.
So how can automated mailing systems such as airline reservation confirmations and such stuff do this confirmation? My point is: whitelisting does not help at all. What if a spammer uses widely used whitelisted addresses such as newsletter From: addresses? Whitelisting does not help - I do not want people have to send mail back for confirmation - it tripples the traffic for one email by the way.
Someone will collect a lot of data about you. Someone will abuse this data by selling it to other parties. I guess you can imagine "data abuse" yourself in some ways, I hope.
Spammers have already tools to distribute their attacks trough multiple "raped" MTAs, it is an idea for the poor guy spammer - it won't stop hard core bulkers tough I assume.
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You should be modded as troll, really. If each and every time someone is abusing a system (no matter what) and you want to cure the symphtoms instead of killing source, we will all lose in the end.
And for your information: the other guy with his terminated DSL account was spamming directly from his home computer to my MX - nothing about denial of service, open web proxy or such (yeah, dumb people are everywhere).
As long as one could identify spammers (numbers are identified, few are getting sued), one should try to sue. Of course some bastards are deeply hidden somewhere in the net, but you have to start somewhere.
Sorry but I call Challenge-Response system crap. eMail was not designed for such a challenge (well, let's forget the TCP/IP SYN/ACK). I won't burden this to my fellows mailing me. It drives network traffic as well up to the sky. Education is the way to go for spammers. Sue them if you're richt (read: AOL), complain about them if you're poor (read: everyone else) and be happy if they loose your DSL connection because of you as one guy dig who pissed me of days ago.
FBI perhaps but Microsoft or the NSA is still locked in. I highly doubt that MS can design such a secure system without beeing forced to provide the master keys (eg like Crypto AG did years ago) to some evil agencies. Either they give or the drown. Same with XBox-Live where IMHO MS had to unscramble the VoIP stream (game data stream is still encrypted).
There are situations in life where you even can't call a choice a choice. Even when it's yours.
In the interview, Gates said it's up to other companies to ensure interoperability.
Thank you Microsoft. No need for comments here.
Isn't this necessary to support double-opt in?
It is as long as you are subscribing for commercial mailings/newsletter/so on, but mass mailing huge amounts of "reply to subscribe" mails should IMHO still be illegal.
I don't know about Swiss laws, but in the US of A that should cover your ass fairly well. IANAL etc.
Yeah. It's a bitch. But they still could have sued me for that was was on my site as they had printouts, they even attempted to download a madonna single out of mp3board.com and stuff.
Another albeit more interesting concept is that none of the posters commenting about me will post under their own name.
I did a few times. You learned (ad > sig), I won't in the future.
I'd have to agree with the father, this was just a big PR trick for the RIAA and its a shame they aren't suing someone with the $$$$ to fight back.
That's exactly how it works right here in my Country, Switzerland. They (IFPI) threatended every small website (read: hundreds of them) with links to MP3 search engines like mp3board.com with lawsuits, forcing them to remove the links and close their site. I was lucky, reduced the amount to pay (around 140$) and didn't had to close my site. Sidenote is of course, that major swiss newspapers have huge collection of links about MP3 stuff like ripping and sharing/searching - only that they never got a single evil letter from the IPFI. Guess now why.
J. JORDAN: Yes, basically. I don't think it's going to work either. People are still sharing the same amount of files. There's still actually a search engine available right now at RPI.
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We'll see Jesse, we'll see
Dude. Again, could you please move your goddamn spam into your sig? There is no relation between your webcalc URL and your made comment. thanks.
Could you please move your damn URL into your sig please?
Please note that it wasn't the cellphones that caused the crash...it was the terrorists who forced their way into the cockpit that caused the plane to go down.
That's only a guess. No proof around for that. Or can you point me to a transcript of the voice recorder?
...Simoniker must be this guy..
>The whitelisting is automatic. You respond to the check message, and it adds you. Otherwise you're talking to the hand, so to speak. :)
This is not automatic, this is manual. You have to send the message back manual.
>The last thing we need, IMHO, is more laws. A better, more secure (perhaps) email system is really in order. The only time a spammer needs to be put to a judge is if they break a real law (which many, but not all, do) like cracking systems to spam, or abusing open relays (a little bit grey there).
Spammers are breaking "real" laws every second as lots the states in the US have the law against UCE as I'm sure you know. In other countries are laws against unfair competition which can be used to sue spammer. Problem is always that it is a civil case then and costs loads of money...
Blacklisting spamfriendly ISPs is the only way they learn it. Kill the source.
Sure there is no default whitelist. But if lots of people have whitelisted addresses or even specific domains - spammer will find out. spammer find out everything and abuses it. Whitelisting is perhaps an option for you but not for an enterprise which does not want to offend their customers. If someone of my friends would implement such a stupid whitelisting system, I would tell them that I just wanted to email them without whitelisting myself. It won't work in the long run or you piss of loads of people/customers. eMail is eMail and ISP (and the people behind them) should better knock off every fucking spammer around and sue them instead that we have to implement even better filters each month.
This tool is crap:
This program (Active Spam Killer, or ASK for short) takes an "Active" approach in solving the problem: Everytime an email is received, a message is sent back to the sender asking for confirmation. If that sender does not confirm the message, it remains queued for delivery. If the sender confirms, the message is delivered and removed from the queue. The "confirmed" senders will be added to your "whitelist" and will never be sent another confirmation. Messages from these emails will always be delivered immediately . You can also specify an "ignorelist" for emails that should be always ignored and a "blacklist" that will cause a nastygram to be sent back to the sender everytime an email is received.
So how can automated mailing systems such as airline reservation confirmations and such stuff do this confirmation? My point is: whitelisting does not help at all. What if a spammer uses widely used whitelisted addresses such as newsletter From: addresses? Whitelisting does not help - I do not want people have to send mail back for confirmation - it tripples the traffic for one email by the way.
Keep this stuff from passing? Too late for a few states. Table at EFF.
Right, almost anywhere :(
And as a result I get no spam. I can't lie, I don't get no spam. I get maybe 1 spam every 2 weeks.
ROFL. No more questions, your honor.
What about a new /. nick?
A search for "windows" finds 2382 pages, the number for Linux seems not too bad regarding this.
It's "la-ser" not laser :)
Someone will collect a lot of data about you. Someone will abuse this data by selling it to other parties. I guess you can imagine "data abuse" yourself in some ways, I hope.
Spammers have already tools to distribute their attacks trough multiple "raped" MTAs, it is an idea for the poor guy spammer - it won't stop hard core bulkers tough I assume.