The end result is this; he spent $800 and has one working ipod. Lets be nice and say he has used this current one for 6 months, that's $33 a month ($800/24 months), thats more than a months wages for some third-world coutries.
WMP 9 is offered on Windows update, but you need to select it specifically to install it. Even if you have windows set to automatically download updates, it won't install a new version of Media player. Microsoft doesn't seem especially keen on forcing current users to upgrade, why would they do any different with new customers.
Far more likely is that MS will allow vendors to bundle it (or slipstream it onto recovery media) and most will do it. I wouldn't want to be the OEM that shipped a PC without media capabilities from the start. The support headache just wouldn't be worth it.
I wrote the original post as a joke. I don't have anything against asians (regardless of country). I just thought the joke would be humorous so I threw it out there.
Casey Neistat figured out how to do it for them, after ruining his own during a similar attempt:...And Casey ended up spending $400 on a new one.
happy-ipod-tuesday indeed. Buy a mp3 player, try and replace the battery and end up spending another $400 on a new ipod. Whats that, $7-800? Is that ipod still a good deal? I could have bought an entire working automobile for $800.
The company I work for bought SCO liscenses for our GNU/Linux workstations and servers. We didn't want to have any legal hassles irregardless of how the SCO suits turn out. They weren't that expensive compared to our other software liscenses and the peace of mind was well worth the cost (kinda like buying something from apple, you know there won't be any hassles, even if the initial cost is slightly higher).
We didn't pay a liscense fee when we switched over to GNU/Linux, but even with the $699 fee, GNU/Linux was still the best deal for our company.
I did read the article and went to the page and noticed the price. America's Army was a proper game as well and it is free. Oh well, I don't think I'll lose tons of sleep over a flood control sim.
It would be nice (since it was a government developed sim), if they could release it as a free download like americas army. Granted, it wouldn't be the most thrilling game, but it would be interesting to mess around with.
Most programmers suck. Most programs suck. They install stuff where it doesn't belong.
This may be a matter of personal experience, but I have had very few, if any programs that did not install correctly. Even shitty freeware apps haven't given me problems.
Every program adds a whole menu to the Start Menu, and lots of programs add icons to the Desktop and the Quick Launch folder.
This largely is a matter of taste. In windows, programs that are installed will add one folder under the programs menu of the start menu. This folder usually includes a link to the executable, a link to the readme or website, and a link to the uninstaller; useful tasks that are located with in easy access. This is slightly different than the linux method of placing only a link to the executable in a (sometimes) appropriate folder.
Most new package installations add maybe 0 or 1 menu entry to your Applications menu, in the proper place.
This results in installed programs not being consistent with programs included with the distro. Example, installing Ximian Evolution on SuSE places a menu item under applications, not under internet with other mail clients.
Open source means no spyware, adware, or any other such disgusting nonsense.
Point taken, but we were discussing package managers and installation, not examples of loathsome programs.
Packages are available from central repositories: you should not have to scour the Internet to find them
I definitely agree that central repositories are nice, but the scouring is hardly as bad as you make it seem; I just go to the software vendors page and snag the binary from there. You use trusted sources (central reps), and I use trusted sources as well (the vendor). Also, weren't there some recent cases where some repositories were compromised?
I'd have to Google for the file, download it (beware of counterfeit files and spyware), reorganize my Start menu, delete a Quick Launch and Desktop icon, run Regedit and delete entries from CurrentVersion/Run,
I have to call BS on this one. I have never had to edit the registry to install a program or reorganize my start menu (other than perhaps right-click-> sort by name). Deleting desktop icons can go either way; if you want a link to the program on the desktop, it saves having to create a shortcut, and if you don't want it, all you have to do is drag it to the trash. Most programs will prompt you if you'd like to install a desktop shortcut anyway.
set all the options on the program (which default to what the programmer wants you to use, not what you want to use), etc
How is this different than linux software? Every piece of software I've ever used had options where my preference differed from the programmers, and its no big deal. Are you pissed that x-chat gives you a nick by default, or are you pissed that Evolution doesn't automatically select the newsfeeds/weather areas you want? Does it bug you that the clock in KDE isn't set to fuzzy or analog by default?
And IE has no way to turn off the bloody dialogs that I can find.
Coming ala Service Pack 2, there will be a "never install this plugin" option. You also can set IE to never prompt by checking disable next to "download signed/unsigned activex controls" under the custom level button on the security tab.
*Windows* Pros + Install is double-click, then run through the options for install (directory to be used, full or partial install (games and such).
+ Library files are either included with windows or are installed by the program, libraries are placed in the install directory, or are placed in windows/system32. Registry entries are entered by the program, as well as menu shorcuts and/or desktop icons.
+ All packaging is handled by the programmer, from the users standpoint, all installers function the same.
+ Anything, including drivers can be installed from a gui installer, installing video drivers does not require exiting to a CLI.
+ For most programs there is only one version, compatible across all Windows versions (occasionally, there will be a version for the 9x family and one for the NT family.) Drivers and such are for each version. Some will specify which service packs must be installed.
+ Program's files are contained in their directory in "Program files". There is one main location for installed programs (easy to find)
+ Even programs that do not use a.msi installer may be uninstalled through the add/remove control panel.
+ I never have to deal with dependencies, ever.
Cons
- No central repository for updated versions of software. User must download patches or new versions from the software author, or a third party. Some software provides it's own update mechanism.
- Poorly coded uninstallers may leave behind libraries or files/folders and registry entries.
- Binaries may be larger than needed since they must include all libraries not included with windows. (somehow, firefox is a smaller download for windows than it is for linux).
- Some programs may require a reboot after installation. Some windows updates require a reboot.
Neutral
= No CLI installation or uninstallation of programs.
= Multiple installers exist (installshield, cab self extractors, nullsoft installer, sfx archives, etc.). All of these are executables that function approximately the same from the users point of view.
= All updates to windows components are handled through windows update.
= Newer programs may save user files (profiles, saved games, etc.) in a folder in My Documents. Microsoft is said to be pushing centralization of saved files to the "My documents" folder. For example, image files are saved to "My Pictures" by default, and new saved games will be saved under "My Games".
I'd really be interested to hear what you think the pro's and cons are with the current linux methodology. I guess I'm having trouble understanding why the ease I experience with windows programs would somehow be unfit for Linux.
Please never offer your opinions about linux ever again unless you are content to have linux constantly play second fiddle to MS Windows.
Long story short: do not install a.rpm on Debian, don't install a SuSE.rpm on Fedora, don't install a.deb on SuSE, etc. If you do, you're just asking for trouble.
Goddammit I hate this one. A TON OF LITTLE PROGRAMS ARE DISTRIBUTED AS EITHER SOURCE OR ONE OF THE FORMATS LISTED. You often can't find a.foo for your distro. Especially if you have your system changed very much from default, example: try finding some karamba themes for Fedora.
Hell, I oughtta send your post in to Microsoft as an example of why they have absolutely nothing to fear from linux.
You may use this Software for any non-commercial purpose, subject to the restrictions in this License."
What is the probem here? Microsoft doesn't want you selling their game. Why should SuSE or Mandrake make money off of a product Microsoft paid for?
"If any of the Software is in binary format, you will not attempt to modify such portions of the Software, or to reverse engineer or decompile them, except and only to the extent authorized by law."
This is probably for the benefit of tech that MS has liscensed, but has not been given rights to distribute the source for. Most likely the reverse engineering for interoperability clause would apply here in the case that you were reverse engineering formats.
"Microsoft is granted back, without any limitations and on a royalty free basis, the rights to reproduce, install, use, modify, distribute and transfer your modifications to the Software source code or data."
Wow, that sounds just like the GPL (must give back modifications). Effects will be the same as the GPL, if you use it for personal (non-distributed) use, your modifications are your own (how will MS know about them), but if you ditribute it, they have rights to the changes.
If you breach this MSR-SSLA or if you sue anyone over patents that you think may apply to the Software or anyone's use of the Software, your license to the Software ends automatically and you shall destroy all of your copies of the Software immediately. Section 5 of this MSR-SSLA [the self-granting of unlimited distribution rights, just quoted] shall survive any termination of this license.
Again, this is the same as any liscense (GPL included). If you don't agree with the liscense or violate it, you aren't granted any additional rights (the rights to use the game, and distribute modifications) other than what copyright allows. The GPL does the exact same thing. The patents part it to protect against incidents like SCO. The Apache liscense has the same clause.
And there is still no info about mouse and keyboard support, in my hubmble opinion, the best way to play FPSs, RTSs, navigate menus, etc.
I don't think you understand the mindset of console users.
Consoles are meant (and designed) to be used in a relaxed enviroment, like a family room or a den, and require a television connection.
Sitting in an easy chair, or laying on the floor are terrible enviroments to be useing a keyboard/mouse, but are great for the gamepad style controller. Another example of this would be the failure of wheel/pedal combos for driving games on consoles. Any peripheral that is designed for use on a desk (keyboard, mouse, joystick, wheel, etc.) aren't going to be highly successful or widely used on consoles meant for the living room.
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The end result is this; he spent $800 and has one working ipod. Lets be nice and say he has used this current one for 6 months, that's $33 a month ($800/24 months), thats more than a months wages for some third-world coutries.
WMP 9 is offered on Windows update, but you need to select it specifically to install it. Even if you have windows set to automatically download updates, it won't install a new version of Media player. Microsoft doesn't seem especially keen on forcing current users to upgrade, why would they do any different with new customers.
Far more likely is that MS will allow vendors to bundle it (or slipstream it onto recovery media) and most will do it. I wouldn't want to be the OEM that shipped a PC without media capabilities from the start. The support headache just wouldn't be worth it.
I wrote the original post as a joke. I don't have anything against asians (regardless of country). I just thought the joke would be humorous so I threw it out there.
Casey Neistat figured out how to do it for them, after ruining his own during a similar attempt:...And Casey ended up spending $400 on a new one.
happy-ipod-tuesday indeed. Buy a mp3 player, try and replace the battery and end up spending another $400 on a new ipod. Whats that, $7-800? Is that ipod still a good deal? I could have bought an entire working automobile for $800.
The company I work for bought SCO liscenses for our GNU/Linux workstations and servers. We didn't want to have any legal hassles irregardless of how the SCO suits turn out. They weren't that expensive compared to our other software liscenses and the peace of mind was well worth the cost (kinda like buying something from apple, you know there won't be any hassles, even if the initial cost is slightly higher).
We didn't pay a liscense fee when we switched over to GNU/Linux, but even with the $699 fee, GNU/Linux was still the best deal for our company.
Until unix has more than a tiny share of the computers that the readers interact with, it will always be a computer virus. Get over it.
I did read the article and went to the page and noticed the price. America's Army was a proper game as well and it is free. Oh well, I don't think I'll lose tons of sleep over a flood control sim.
It would be nice (since it was a government developed sim), if they could release it as a free download like americas army. Granted, it wouldn't be the most thrilling game, but it would be interesting to mess around with.
Wow, you took a nice discussion about a cool potential game and turned it in to a tirade about Bush.
You sir a piece of shit in the truest sense of the word.
C'mon, who wants to pull an all-nighter and see how many of these infringing lines we can have changed by the morning?
I'd be willing to pay as much as $0.025 (2.5 cents) per song
What are you, jewish?
If you're getting an iBook, get the apple care package because your laptop will have expensive parts that will break.
In your case, it's probably MMM.
yeah, and watch every bit of free speech and anonymity you ever had vanish into thin air.
Most programmers suck. Most programs suck. They install stuff where it doesn't belong.
This may be a matter of personal experience, but I have had very few, if any programs that did not install correctly. Even shitty freeware apps haven't given me problems.
Every program adds a whole menu to the Start Menu, and lots of programs add icons to the Desktop and the Quick Launch folder.
This largely is a matter of taste. In windows, programs that are installed will add one folder under the programs menu of the start menu. This folder usually includes a link to the executable, a link to the readme or website, and a link to the uninstaller; useful tasks that are located with in easy access. This is slightly different than the linux method of placing only a link to the executable in a (sometimes) appropriate folder.
Most new package installations add maybe 0 or 1 menu entry to your Applications menu, in the proper place.
This results in installed programs not being consistent with programs included with the distro. Example, installing Ximian Evolution on SuSE places a menu item under applications, not under internet with other mail clients.
Open source means no spyware, adware, or any other such disgusting nonsense.
Point taken, but we were discussing package managers and installation, not examples of loathsome programs.
Packages are available from central repositories: you should not have to scour the Internet to find them
I definitely agree that central repositories are nice, but the scouring is hardly as bad as you make it seem; I just go to the software vendors page and snag the binary from there. You use trusted sources (central reps), and I use trusted sources as well (the vendor). Also, weren't there some recent cases where some repositories were compromised?
I'd have to Google for the file, download it (beware of counterfeit files and spyware), reorganize my Start menu, delete a Quick Launch and Desktop icon, run Regedit and delete entries from CurrentVersion/Run,
I have to call BS on this one. I have never had to edit the registry to install a program or reorganize my start menu (other than perhaps right-click-> sort by name). Deleting desktop icons can go either way; if you want a link to the program on the desktop, it saves having to create a shortcut, and if you don't want it, all you have to do is drag it to the trash. Most programs will prompt you if you'd like to install a desktop shortcut anyway.
set all the options on the program (which default to what the programmer wants you to use, not what you want to use), etc
How is this different than linux software? Every piece of software I've ever used had options where my preference differed from the programmers, and its no big deal. Are you pissed that x-chat gives you a nick by default, or are you pissed that Evolution doesn't automatically select the newsfeeds/weather areas you want? Does it bug you that the clock in KDE isn't set to fuzzy or analog by default?
Does this mean that Microsoft is contributing to Mozilla because there are mozilla themes that look like IE?
And IE has no way to turn off the bloody dialogs that I can find.
Coming ala Service Pack 2, there will be a "never install this plugin" option. You also can set IE to never prompt by checking disable next to "download signed/unsigned activex controls" under the custom level button on the security tab.
he sounds pretty gay.
You set 'em up and then you drive it home...back and forth, trying to get them off...And when you do, you slam it down their throat.
I suggest a pro/con comparison of each.
.msi installer may be uninstalled through the add/remove control panel.
*Windows*
Pros
+ Install is double-click, then run through the options for install (directory to be used, full or partial install (games and such).
+ Library files are either included with windows or are installed by the program, libraries are placed in the install directory, or are placed in windows/system32. Registry entries are entered by the program, as well as menu shorcuts and/or desktop icons.
+ All packaging is handled by the programmer, from the users standpoint, all installers function the same.
+ Anything, including drivers can be installed from a gui installer, installing video drivers does not require exiting to a CLI.
+ For most programs there is only one version, compatible across all Windows versions (occasionally, there will be a version for the 9x family and one for the NT family.) Drivers and such are for each version. Some will specify which service packs must be installed.
+ Program's files are contained in their directory in "Program files". There is one main location for installed programs (easy to find)
+ Even programs that do not use a
+ I never have to deal with dependencies, ever.
Cons
- No central repository for updated versions of software. User must download patches or new versions from the software author, or a third party. Some software provides it's own update mechanism.
- Poorly coded uninstallers may leave behind libraries or files/folders and registry entries.
- Binaries may be larger than needed since they must include all libraries not included with windows. (somehow, firefox is a smaller download for windows than it is for linux).
- Some programs may require a reboot after installation. Some windows updates require a reboot.
Neutral
= No CLI installation or uninstallation of programs.
= Multiple installers exist (installshield, cab self extractors, nullsoft installer, sfx archives, etc.). All of these are executables that function approximately the same from the users point of view.
= All updates to windows components are handled through windows update.
= Newer programs may save user files (profiles, saved games, etc.) in a folder in My Documents. Microsoft is said to be pushing centralization of saved files to the "My documents" folder. For example, image files are saved to "My Pictures" by default, and new saved games will be saved under "My Games".
I'd really be interested to hear what you think the pro's and cons are with the current linux methodology. I guess I'm having trouble understanding why the ease I experience with windows programs would somehow be unfit for Linux.
Please never offer your opinions about linux ever again unless you are content to have linux constantly play second fiddle to MS Windows.
.rpm on Debian, don't install a SuSE .rpm on Fedora, don't install a .deb on SuSE, etc. If you do, you're just asking for trouble.
.foo for your distro. Especially if you have your system changed very much from default, example: try finding some karamba themes for Fedora.
Long story short: do not install a
Goddammit I hate this one. A TON OF LITTLE PROGRAMS ARE DISTRIBUTED AS EITHER SOURCE OR ONE OF THE FORMATS LISTED. You often can't find a
Hell, I oughtta send your post in to Microsoft as an example of why they have absolutely nothing to fear from linux.
You may use this Software for any non-commercial purpose, subject to the restrictions in this License."
What is the probem here? Microsoft doesn't want you selling their game. Why should SuSE or Mandrake make money off of a product Microsoft paid for?
"If any of the Software is in binary format, you will not attempt to modify such portions of the Software, or to reverse engineer or decompile them, except and only to the extent authorized by law."
This is probably for the benefit of tech that MS has liscensed, but has not been given rights to distribute the source for. Most likely the reverse engineering for interoperability clause would apply here in the case that you were reverse engineering formats.
"Microsoft is granted back, without any limitations and on a royalty free basis, the rights to reproduce, install, use, modify, distribute and transfer your modifications to the Software source code or data."
Wow, that sounds just like the GPL (must give back modifications). Effects will be the same as the GPL, if you use it for personal (non-distributed) use, your modifications are your own (how will MS know about them), but if you ditribute it, they have rights to the changes.
If you breach this MSR-SSLA or if you sue anyone over patents that you think may apply to the Software or anyone's use of the Software, your license to the Software ends automatically and you shall destroy all of your copies of the Software immediately. Section 5 of this MSR-SSLA [the self-granting of unlimited distribution rights, just quoted] shall survive any termination of this license.
Again, this is the same as any liscense (GPL included). If you don't agree with the liscense or violate it, you aren't granted any additional rights (the rights to use the game, and distribute modifications) other than what copyright allows. The GPL does the exact same thing. The patents part it to protect against incidents like SCO. The Apache liscense has the same clause.
And there is still no info about mouse and keyboard support, in my hubmble opinion, the best way to play FPSs, RTSs, navigate menus, etc.
I don't think you understand the mindset of console users.
Consoles are meant (and designed) to be used in a relaxed enviroment, like a family room or a den, and require a television connection.
Sitting in an easy chair, or laying on the floor are terrible enviroments to be useing a keyboard/mouse, but are great for the gamepad style controller. Another example of this would be the failure of wheel/pedal combos for driving games on consoles. Any peripheral that is designed for use on a desk (keyboard, mouse, joystick, wheel, etc.) aren't going to be highly successful or widely used on consoles meant for the living room.
Did you come up with that joke yourself or do you have writers?
My solution was one step. And I didn't have to give up all my nice windows software
Critical mass is slightly more than the .2-.3% desktop share Linux enjoys.