Simpson's Law: The frowned-upon debate technique of pointing out the absurdity of the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" by dredging up the case of the obviously guilty OJ Simpson who was acquitted of all charges and thus technically innocent by the "IUPG" rule.
For the most part, the people who live in those areas are not criminals and are as scared of the criminals who live in such close quarters. What doesn't help is when police abuse their status and abuse the people they are to protect. It also doesn't help when leaders in those communities will cast a blind eye on the misconduct of the resident criminals and blame the police for making the neighborhood a terrible place to live.
Would you want the kid who's been loitering out in the alleyway for the past couple weeks to be brought in for questioning when your neighbor gets beat into a coma taking out the trash?
Do you think that suspicious behavior should be completely disregarded in the search for possible suspects?
Enough hyperbole, it's not making anyone's point stronger.
The fact of the matter is that the government (and frankly, anyone) can have a file on anyone, and against this there is no law, Constitutional or otherwise. The only restriction is that non-public information cannot be gained without a warrant issued by a judge. Any data collection that goes on in these neighborhoods is not done by entering these peoples' homes and searching for incriminating evidence. Rather, they are picking up on actions like teenagers hanging out late in alleyways or empty parking lots or who are seen interacting with known criminals. In other words, there are logical reasons to put them on the list.
your picture, your demographics and non-criminal history not your "effects", not your "person"?
No. If you are in a public place, then you have no privacy. Your picture may be taken (I like smiling in other tourists' vacation photos:-), your voice may be recorded, or any host of things that are easily accessible to those around you. You are secure in your home, papers, effects, and on your person. Once you step outside your house, your identity becomes public information.
There is nothing here that is either odious or illegal. Think of it as a return to the beat cop era where the cop knew everyone in the neighborhood. This list isn't a deterrent in itself. It is simply a means to deduce where extra policing (in the full sense of the term) is needed.
Most crime happens in poor, minority-dominated neighborhoods. It only makes sense to increase the police presence in those areas, through random patrols and targetted surveillance of possible hotspots and hotheads.
The people who live in those neighborhoods have a right to live in safety. If this can effectively retard the development of criminals, isn't it worth it?
This why we have affirmative action programs like "Midnight Basketball". When there is a possibility of someone going down the path of crime, it is much cheaper to stop them when they haven't done anything than it is to incarcerate them later.
With the exception of perhaps the Lisp fanatics, the Perl fanatics are some of the most impatient and rude newsgroup posters.
You don't post to CLPM so often, but can we assume you read it? What is your feeling when you see another newbie get toasted because he dared to spell PERL in all caps or wonder about a CGI problem?
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If you were to have a second chance at designing Perl, what would you have done differently?
It's clear that Perl is undergoing a huge revision now, but even in the midst of this, you have to refrain from straying too far from the existing userbase. What would you do if you didn't have to satisfy those people?
This is great for the astronomy pic of the day fans, but what does it really benefit anyone else? The current telescope arrays are looking pretty far out there. Does this proposed one purport to read the license plates off flying saucers from a million light years away or something?
Britney Spears isn't wandering around some virtual dungeon while she's on AOL.
Yes, the internet has had a pretty big impact in our culture, but it doesn't seem to me at least that gaming has had all that huge an effect. Sure, we've had Dungeons and Dragons and Super Mario Bros., but aside from these horrible movies, there doesn't seem to be any lasting impact of gaming, much less online gaming.
Looking back on all these games I wonder what their cumulative effect on the general culture of the U.S. is. Has the tiny minority of these games brought the concepts of the games to a wider audience, perhaps through movies or television?
Or is the listing of all these MUDs more evidence of a geek subculture that sees itself as superior to society in general, so much so that it needs to withdraw and create more perfect worlds to exist within?
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If the questions are valid coming from a named poster, are they somehow less valid coming from an unnamed one?
I'll pretend it was me. I'd like to hear your discussion.
Then we split at this juncture.
I believe that court documents should be open and public information should be public.
I wish I had a clever quote to stick here, but it's 3:00 in the morning and I'm fresh out.
And to think, I'd be at the root of it!
Simpson's Law: The frowned-upon debate technique of pointing out the absurdity of the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" by dredging up the case of the obviously guilty OJ Simpson who was acquitted of all charges and thus technically innocent by the "IUPG" rule.
Are you also in favor of abolishing mug shot portfolios and fingerprint databases and deleting all information about ex-cons?
Should the police start at zero every time they begin an investigation?
We are in total agreement, then. Happy days!
For the most part, the people who live in those areas are not criminals and are as scared of the criminals who live in such close quarters. What doesn't help is when police abuse their status and abuse the people they are to protect. It also doesn't help when leaders in those communities will cast a blind eye on the misconduct of the resident criminals and blame the police for making the neighborhood a terrible place to live.
Would you want the kid who's been loitering out in the alleyway for the past couple weeks to be brought in for questioning when your neighbor gets beat into a coma taking out the trash?
Do you think that suspicious behavior should be completely disregarded in the search for possible suspects?
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Is OJ Simpson innocent?
Enough hyperbole, it's not making anyone's point stronger.
:-), your voice may be recorded, or any host of things that are easily accessible to those around you. You are secure in your home, papers, effects, and on your person. Once you step outside your house, your identity becomes public information.
The fact of the matter is that the government (and frankly, anyone) can have a file on anyone, and against this there is no law, Constitutional or otherwise. The only restriction is that non-public information cannot be gained without a warrant issued by a judge. Any data collection that goes on in these neighborhoods is not done by entering these peoples' homes and searching for incriminating evidence. Rather, they are picking up on actions like teenagers hanging out late in alleyways or empty parking lots or who are seen interacting with known criminals. In other words, there are logical reasons to put them on the list.
your picture, your demographics and non-criminal history not your "effects", not your "person"?
No. If you are in a public place, then you have no privacy. Your picture may be taken (I like smiling in other tourists' vacation photos
There is nothing here that is either odious or illegal. Think of it as a return to the beat cop era where the cop knew everyone in the neighborhood. This list isn't a deterrent in itself. It is simply a means to deduce where extra policing (in the full sense of the term) is needed.
Most crime happens in poor, minority-dominated neighborhoods. It only makes sense to increase the police presence in those areas, through random patrols and targetted surveillance of possible hotspots and hotheads.
The people who live in those neighborhoods have a right to live in safety. If this can effectively retard the development of criminals, isn't it worth it?
This why we have affirmative action programs like "Midnight Basketball". When there is a possibility of someone going down the path of crime, it is much cheaper to stop them when they haven't done anything than it is to incarcerate them later.
With the exception of perhaps the Lisp fanatics, the Perl fanatics are some of the most impatient and rude newsgroup posters.
You don't post to CLPM so often, but can we assume you read it? What is your feeling when you see another newbie get toasted because he dared to spell PERL in all caps or wonder about a CGI problem?
If you were to have a second chance at designing Perl, what would you have done differently?
It's clear that Perl is undergoing a huge revision now, but even in the midst of this, you have to refrain from straying too far from the existing userbase. What would you do if you didn't have to satisfy those people?
This would be interesting if Susex was actually a Linux company.
Or if it was worth more than $3.00.
Here's a picture of Uranus.
Sure they play... But oh lord are they useless.
Wall Street loves Linux!
VA Software
Redhat
An interesting chart with comparisons
Not to bash eye candy, but doesn't anyone have a better idea for gaming than FP shooters?
What could Wil Wright or Al Lowe or Sid Meier do with a badass graphics engine behind them?
We already know what Carmack can do.
Nice phrasing. Would have had a nice double entendre had you said I was coming onto you.
*squirt squirt*
Drink it down, lovely.
This is great for the astronomy pic of the day fans, but what does it really benefit anyone else? The current telescope arrays are looking pretty far out there. Does this proposed one purport to read the license plates off flying saucers from a million light years away or something?
You're so sexy when you're like that.
You're always welcome here. But your boyfriend ain't. And bring a towel this time, your face isn't as pretty with my shit smeared all over it.
Yes! Yes! Fuck you too!
It's hard to believe that the Dreamcast, with it's better graphics handling and ease of programming, ever lost out to the PS2.
I guess if you've got the resources of Sony, you can pretty much screw anyone you like.
Britney Spears isn't wandering around some virtual dungeon while she's on AOL.
Yes, the internet has had a pretty big impact in our culture, but it doesn't seem to me at least that gaming has had all that huge an effect. Sure, we've had Dungeons and Dragons and Super Mario Bros., but aside from these horrible movies, there doesn't seem to be any lasting impact of gaming, much less online gaming.
What compiler?
What is crashing? The compiler? The command prompt?
What are you doing when it crashes?
Does this happen with other compilers? Other programs?
Looking back on all these games I wonder what their cumulative effect on the general culture of the U.S. is. Has the tiny minority of these games brought the concepts of the games to a wider audience, perhaps through movies or television?
Or is the listing of all these MUDs more evidence of a geek subculture that sees itself as superior to society in general, so much so that it needs to withdraw and create more perfect worlds to exist within?