You can install Gentoo from the source code, but if you need just a shot to introduce Gentoo - try GRP, reference platform. The only difference is: no bootstraping (it means that someone has already compiled everything for you).
Darwin uses different kernel (even design concepts are different) with some FreeBSD drivers. It uses different rc/init/upgrade. Just few FreeBSD utils cannot let call it "based on FreeBSD".
Once something's been released to the community under an Open Source license
There is no such think as Open Source license.
There is BSDL encouraging hijacking of open source code (and thus the slow death of it) and there is GPL encouraging to open source all modifications (and thus the long live for OSS).
We could end up just feeding apple a lot in the way of open source projects, all up and dancing in a hoohaa of joy.
Feed them with GPLized software (ONLY!) and enjoy GPLized MacOSX soon:)
Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen: Apple doesn't take GPL software and many OS developers (not smart for them) still license their software under BSDL.
It's so naive to think that Apple will contribute back when the license encourages the opposite!
Can you be more specific (give us some details) about when and how GPL makes (would make) your business suffer comparing to using BSDL?
Please stay on topic that you've got (paid) the order to develop open-source systems. Had it specified the type of open-source license?
I just have a suspition that someone just wanted to take money for the contract, comply the order to develop the open-source software and than (after the contact is completed) hijack (fork to close-source) the code in own proprietary purposes. BSDL is very friendly for such cases, isn't it?
At least do you usually create unit tests, diagnostic API, comments in the source code and clear documents?
If you think about other people who maintain your code and you make their job easier - then good maintenance of your code begins from you.
But if you think that you are too busy for that then it's a big (and growing) chance that your code is useless and another programmer will dcide: "it's easier to re-write it".
This classic translation takes care about the spirit of programming.
Just few quotes:
Does a good farmer neglect a crop he has planted? Does a good teacher overlook even the most humble student? Does a good father allow a single child to starve? Does a good programmer refuse to maintain his code?
There once was a master programmer who wrote unstructured programs. A novice programmer, seeking to imitate him, also began to write unstructured programs. When the novice asked the master to evaluate his progress, the master criticized him for writing unstructured programs, saying, ``What is appropriate for the master is not appropriate for the novice. You must understand the Tao before transcending structure.''
The Tao gave birth to machine language. Machine language gave birth to the assembler.
The assembler gave birth to the compiler. Now there are ten thousand languages.
Each language has its purpose, however humble. Each language expresses the Yin and Yang of software. Each language has its place within the Tao.
Speth also said that the new version will be Open Source under the GPL
Why not GPL from the first place?
It's simple: BSD encourage the hijacking of your code, GPL protects your code from being hijacked. BSD protects anarchy and doing whatever everyone wants. GPL protects users that in future the [GPL] code they decided to use will stay GPL and thus free and available for further using.
Why not GPL from the first place?
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You cannot change the license of GPLized code. Therefore, GPL license is immportal.
Then why IBM has chosen Linux (not BSD!) for their new RS6K series?
the more operating systems running on their hardware, the better.
Better for whom? For us, customers? Most likely. For Sun, a hardware vendor? Most unlikely.
I believe, however, it depends on what business model they use. IBM makes tons of money on support. Somehow they figured out that Linux is better for such business. Perhaps Apple doesn't make any significant moeny on support, so proprietary OS is better for them to make some money at least on licensing.
So, how is support important for Sun? You answer this question and perhaps you know what OS Sun keeps in long term plans for Ultra Sparc.
hey are talking about putting people who swap files in Federal Prison.
When you use word people you may mean americans, don't you? Because I don't think that today's international law will allow any application of USA laws against people living outside of USA and sharing some files in personal (non-commercial) purposes.
And if there is no any particular company behind P2P servers outside of USA - there is no way to apply any USA law against it anyway.
People outside USA afraid american bombs, not american prison. But I doubt that USA govt will use bombs to enforce DMCA around the world.
I can imagine the cyber war of RIAA scripts illegally spamming the traffic in inernational scale, and ISPs around the world hunting those bad guys. Welcome to the future?
Speakking about DDOS and IRC, either IRC will adapt and stand DDOS easily or new generation (decetralized one) will be based on something else. Perhaps Jabber? Or Gnutella?
Jabber, right? Easy to use client (actually many clients), extensible by new transports server, which has already got IRC transport, by the way.
If Kazaa will go down it will be a matter of weeks that Jabber will get P2P substitution transport extension, which will be based on current IRC transport, but will use also some dialog scripts with bots.
It could be not IRC and not Jabber - the name might be different. But you've got an idea - it will be next generation of P2P network with no one central server.
When many servers replicate each other in many countries - forget about any chances to shut such network down.
And don't worry about client - OSS will give you several of them. Perhaps some of them will be just as web pages. Like admin port of CUPS print server:)
I would imagine it would be rather easy, the server software itself isn't horribly secure, and neither is the protocol. The only semblance of security is the SSH that surprisingly few people use.
Once people in "horrible" countries like USA will recognize the danger they will use SSH with IRC. As for the rest of us - what for?
They can do it in USA, but fortunately there are many enough IRC servers and users outside of FBI jurisdiction. I seriously doubt they can shut IRC down internationally.
That's what I wonder, why to use KAZAA or Napster, centralized systems, when it can be IRC with bots (to keep indexes and to search), the decentralized system, which no single govt (perhaps even a group of govts) can stop? The system is unofficial - they cannot sue it. The system has not (usually) a single country where it is located.
Also I wonder if it's possible to intersect and analyze any IRC/SSL (IRC over SSH) traffic? Because, if it's not possible, than I'll encrypt my filesystem and FBI can forget about any evidence.
Well, fortunately I am not living in USA anymore and perhaps I can forget about crazy USA govt for awhile... untill slashdot will remind it again in such crazy news:)
I've tried to read the linked article, which I should if I'm gonna comment it. I found that there is no way to read it without registration, which I don't want. I've commented the situation under the comment, which suggested illegal way to read the closed refered article. And now my comment is moderated down as offtopic.
So, off which exactly topic was my comment? I cannot understand as I cannot legally read any topic!
So after December 31 the only option available will be only Advanced Server, which is not free?
I stay (at home) with Gentoo - it doesn't seem to go a proprietary way anytime soon. Redhat might be a good option for enterprise servers, but not for home or SOHO users.
Really? I'd stack iMovie, iTunes, the Mac version of Final Cut, etc., against Windows media software any day. For home media, Windows is not the right tool for the job at all.
That's your personal preference and many windows users won't agree with you. However, I agree with you as I like Mac's multimedia myself.
Also, I would say that GIMP on Linux is a hell of a lot better than Microsoft's paint software. So if you are doing low-end graphic editing, Windows is not the best tool for the job. Oh, and that goes for high-end graphic editing, too. Photoshop is best done on a Mac.
To keep the topic, you should compare GIMP on Linux with Photoshop on Windows. Which is no different than Photoshop on Mac, BTW:)
Database work? Hmm... I could use Access, which sucks and doesn't scale well, or I could use MS-SQL, which costs a fortune, or I could use PostgreSQL or MySQL on a Linux box (or Mac) and not pay one cent. MySQL is faster and PostgreSQL is more robust. Once again, Windows is not the best tool for the job.
Neither MS Access nor MySQL are not RDBMS b/c of lacking of SQL standard and lacking of transactional support. Read it here more about RDBMS.
PostgreSQL works fine on both Linux and Windows (Cygwin). MacOS is not supported by PostgreSQL, at least officially.
Oh, are you talking about simple stuff, like web browsing, word processing, e-mail, etc.? Well, any platform would work fine for that kind of stuff, I guess, so Windows is at least a tool that can do the job, if not the tool.
Well, in average, a user have the least chance of any plugin/player or document format problem on Windows, next Mac, next Linux/x86, next othe Linuxen and Unixen.
Personally, I love Linux/PPC, next MacOSX, next Linux/86, next other Unixen, next Windows. But we talk about an average end-user, right?
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You can install Gentoo from the source code, but if you need just a shot to introduce Gentoo - try GRP, reference platform. The only difference is: no bootstraping (it means that someone has already compiled everything for you).
Wrong.
Darwin uses different kernel (even design concepts are different) with some FreeBSD drivers. It uses different rc/init/upgrade. Just few FreeBSD utils cannot let call it "based on FreeBSD".
There is no such think as Open Source license.
There is BSDL encouraging hijacking of open source code (and thus the slow death of it) and there is GPL encouraging to open source all modifications (and thus the long live for OSS).
Feed them with GPLized software (ONLY!) and enjoy GPLized MacOSX soon :)
Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen: Apple doesn't take GPL software and many OS developers (not smart for them) still license their software under BSDL.
It's so naive to think that Apple will contribute back when the license encourages the opposite!
That's the problem of all non-GPL open-source software - it's just convinient to be hijacked.
Try to do it (hijacking) with GNOME and see what's happened.
It's time to remind again: GPL doesn't restrict the freedom. GPL restricts the people who wants to restrict the freedom. Got it?
More genererally, there is no any significant problems of running Gentoo Linux PPC on Macs :)
Will it be also forgotten?
It has many interesting features. Will IBM port them to Linux as it did with some of AIX ones (JFS is just one example)?
Please stay on topic that you've got (paid) the order to develop open-source systems. Had it specified the type of open-source license?
I just have a suspition that someone just wanted to take money for the contract, comply the order to develop the open-source software and than (after the contact is completed) hijack (fork to close-source) the code in own proprietary purposes. BSDL is very friendly for such cases, isn't it?
If you think about other people who maintain your code and you make their job easier - then good maintenance of your code begins from you.
But if you think that you are too busy for that then it's a big (and growing) chance that your code is useless and another programmer will dcide: "it's easier to re-write it".
See the thread about JUnit for example.
Just few quotes:
There once was a master programmer who wrote unstructured programs. A novice programmer, seeking to imitate him, also began to write unstructured programs. When the novice asked the master to evaluate his progress, the master criticized him for writing unstructured programs, saying, ``What is appropriate for the master is not appropriate for the novice. You must understand the Tao before transcending structure.''
Care to explain your reasoning?
Perhaps b/c Sun doesn't care? At least what I can see from their actions.
Why not GPL from the first place?
It's simple: BSD encourage the hijacking of your code, GPL protects your code from being hijacked. BSD protects anarchy and doing whatever everyone wants. GPL protects users that in future the [GPL] code they decided to use will stay GPL and thus free and available for further using.
Why not GPL from the first place?
You cannot change the license of GPLized code. Therefore, GPL license is immportal.
Then why IBM has chosen Linux (not BSD!) for their new RS6K series?
the more operating systems running on their hardware, the better.
Better for whom? For us, customers? Most likely. For Sun, a hardware vendor? Most unlikely.
I believe, however, it depends on what business model they use. IBM makes tons of money on support. Somehow they figured out that Linux is better for such business. Perhaps Apple doesn't make any significant moeny on support, so proprietary OS is better for them to make some money at least on licensing.
So, how is support important for Sun? You answer this question and perhaps you know what OS Sun keeps in long term plans for Ultra Sparc.
Good point. So if you steal - never work for a public company :)
When you use word people you may mean americans, don't you? Because I don't think that today's international law will allow any application of USA laws against people living outside of USA and sharing some files in personal (non-commercial) purposes.
And if there is no any particular company behind P2P servers outside of USA - there is no way to apply any USA law against it anyway.
People outside USA afraid american bombs, not american prison. But I doubt that USA govt will use bombs to enforce DMCA around the world.
Speakking about DDOS and IRC, either IRC will adapt and stand DDOS easily or new generation (decetralized one) will be based on something else. Perhaps Jabber? Or Gnutella?
Jabber, right? Easy to use client (actually many clients), extensible by new transports server, which has already got IRC transport, by the way.
If Kazaa will go down it will be a matter of weeks that Jabber will get P2P substitution transport extension, which will be based on current IRC transport, but will use also some dialog scripts with bots.
It could be not IRC and not Jabber - the name might be different. But you've got an idea - it will be next generation of P2P network with no one central server.
When many servers replicate each other in many countries - forget about any chances to shut such network down.
And don't worry about client - OSS will give you several of them. Perhaps some of them will be just as web pages. Like admin port of CUPS print server :)
It's still not clear for me - sue whom?
Me? The user of IRC server outside of USA? the person, who is living outside of USA?
What kind of jurisdiction they have to sue me?
They must bomb my govt before they will come with their force and sue me. And until then - I can ignore all their post mails, emails and phone calls.
Don't you think so?
Once people in "horrible" countries like USA will recognize the danger they will use SSH with IRC. As for the rest of us - what for?
They can do it in USA, but fortunately there are many enough IRC servers and users outside of FBI jurisdiction. I seriously doubt they can shut IRC down internationally.
Also I wonder if it's possible to intersect and analyze any IRC/SSL (IRC over SSH) traffic? Because, if it's not possible, than I'll encrypt my filesystem and FBI can forget about any evidence.
Well, fortunately I am not living in USA anymore and perhaps I can forget about crazy USA govt for awhile... untill slashdot will remind it again in such crazy news :)
So, off which exactly topic was my comment? I cannot understand as I cannot legally read any topic!
I stay (at home) with Gentoo - it doesn't seem to go a proprietary way anytime soon. Redhat might be a good option for enterprise servers, but not for home or SOHO users.
That's your personal preference and many windows users won't agree with you. However, I agree with you as I like Mac's multimedia myself.
Also, I would say that GIMP on Linux is a hell of a lot better than Microsoft's paint software. So if you are doing low-end graphic editing, Windows is not the best tool for the job. Oh, and that goes for high-end graphic editing, too. Photoshop is best done on a Mac.
To keep the topic, you should compare GIMP on Linux with Photoshop on Windows. Which is no different than Photoshop on Mac, BTW :)
Database work? Hmm... I could use Access, which sucks and doesn't scale well, or I could use MS-SQL, which costs a fortune, or I could use PostgreSQL or MySQL on a Linux box (or Mac) and not pay one cent. MySQL is faster and PostgreSQL is more robust. Once again, Windows is not the best tool for the job.
Neither MS Access nor MySQL are not RDBMS b/c of lacking of SQL standard and lacking of transactional support. Read it here more about RDBMS.
PostgreSQL works fine on both Linux and Windows (Cygwin). MacOS is not supported by PostgreSQL, at least officially.
Oh, are you talking about simple stuff, like web browsing, word processing, e-mail, etc.? Well, any platform would work fine for that kind of stuff, I guess, so Windows is at least a tool that can do the job, if not the tool.
Well, in average, a user have the least chance of any plugin/player or document format problem on Windows, next Mac, next Linux/x86, next othe Linuxen and Unixen.
Personally, I love Linux/PPC, next MacOSX, next Linux/86, next other Unixen, next Windows. But we talk about an average end-user, right?