As I stated in another post. Hardware vendors, like game vendors support Windows. As long as you like being stuck in the cell a Windows, this is fine. Hardware vendors, game vendors, and Microsoft win. Nobody else can compete, also known as a monopoly. It's hard to find another industry like this.
It's against every f*cking business/market creed out there. Go shopping for green beans. You don't just see one brand of green beans. Go shopping for a car. You don't see one brand. Man the FUD is getting really deep since I posted this question. There are only like 5 or 6 major distributions of linux, and the base of GNU/Linux is pretty standard across the board. Yet you guys throw this up like it's a valid point. I installed VS 2005 on Vista, it gives me an error that there are known issues with this product in Vista. WTF. nVidia's linux driver can be used by all distros as far as I know. How many different nvidia driver choices do you have for Windows. Here's one for Windows 98, here's one for Windows 2000/XP, and there's another for Vista. Wait what about 64bit versus 32bit.
FUD FUD FUD
Again, your driver issue is just like the gaming issue. Vendors support what everyone is using. You are using a monopoly defense essentially. It's hard to use a printer if you have to write the driver for it because the people who made it, only meant for you to use it with Windows.
Your "You get what you pay for" statement is great. Did you get that straight from a Microsoft FUD campaign or did you come up with that all by yourself?
You are looking at the results of a monopoly, not why the product is better. Using the fact that it's a monopoly as a basis for your defense of Windows. This is what I'm talking about.
I didn't really say that you shouldn't have a gaming PC. I said you shouldn't use that as the reason you use Windows. Because it is a gaming PC. Windows isn't relevant if you consider that the same games could run on Linux or any other OS if the game manufactures felt the need to write them for something other than Windows. I said "GAMING" isn't a reason to support "WINDOWS"
I agree with you guys. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy gaming on the PC too. There are ways to use Linux for your computing tasks and Windows only for your gaming though. Plus the console game market is extremely huge right now. Look though, if you were using Linux as your everyday OS and only booted to Windows for games, and everyone else did the same thing. What OS would game developers start writing their games for. Going back to my car analogy I love so much, even though I suck at analogies. Lets say that 98% of people drove Fords. People who make Air Conditioners only make their A/C's for Fords. What if you want to drive something else? It doesn't work that way though. The computer industry is one of the few that everyone thinks this is ok. Why is it perfectly ok for the computer industry to be dominated by one company?
The computer that you run your Windows games could just as easily be running the game in Linux, or any other OS for that matter. Your computer hardware is running the game. The problem is the game makers only made it for Windows. So you defend Windows because you have no choice but to use it for PC games. That's a great defense. Think about it. You are defending the company that limits your choices and forces you to use their OS to play your PC games. YOU are defending them for it. Are you getting me?
Nah you're right, the article doesn't come across as fanboish. It does however state the question, "Why do you hate Microsoft?" It presumes that one has to hate Microsoft in order to use another OS. It's like saying that the reason I don't drive a Ford is because I have a hatred for Ford. My first car could have been a Honda and since they never gave me any trouble, I've always owned one.
My point is Linux is free. OpenOffice is free. I shouldn't have to justify why I use these products over MS Windows and Office when each costs more than $100. Instead of pirating Windows and Office, perhaps I've just decided I like the price of Linux and OpenOffice. The article is asking us to justify why we don't use Microsoft, and how many times do we have to do this. This is the only market where people want you to justify using a free product over one that costs money. They should be making the product worth buying. They should be the ones making the sales pitch to us. I should have to make a sales pitch for free products. Do the Windows fanbois really know how backwards this situation is?
That's true. We do complain about Microsoft because we use the software. I mean that's gotta be it right. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that a lot of us are forced to use Microsoft products daily.
I think a better question for this article would be...Why do people defend Microsoft so often?
What exactly drives Windows fans. It's not their freedom. It's not the stability of their system. It's not it's ease of use. Maybe they steal Windows on torrents, because surely no one is just backing something because they paid for it. Wait maybe that's it. Could it be that the reason a lot of people are defending Windows is because it's the product that they bought. Hell I don't know, but this has been a question on my mind for a long time. I can see the drive behind defending Open Source Products. I can see why Linux and BSD people can be proud of their OS. I can even understand why Mac users are proud. I could just never understand how anyone could be a Windows "fanboi".
Some possible causes that I can think of would be:
1.) User didn't have a computer before 2001 and has only used XP(possibly used 2k and XP only).
2.) Purchased MS product so feel the need to justify said purchase.
3.) Stole MS product and is under the disillusion that the product was free.
4.) Has never even attempted to use anything else.
5.) Believes everything they were taught in school.
I could probably add to this list.
I'm currently attending an online class where we were comparing Linux and Windows. Only two people in the class had tried Linux. Everyone else had only used Windows. Those who had only used Windows kept going on and on about how user-friendly Windows is. I'm thinking, "compared to nothing, I can see your point." Windows is user-friendly only if you know how to use it. In a lot of cases, if you really know how to use it, you don't want to use it anymore. Most people really don't even know how to use it. Yet they'll stand up for it. It amazes me that they believe they are computer savvy because they can log into slashdot or digg and post their comments.
Keep in mind that I'm not talking about all Windows users. Some people have a legitimate reason to use Windows. GAMES. That's right it has games. That's the biggest selling point I've heard so far. Most of these gamers have a Wii, an Xbox360, and a PS3. Hey here's a thought. Play games on your consoles, and stop using that as a reason for using Windows.
There's a fair amount of Windows fanbois on slashdot these days. I'd say they probably outnumber the Linux fanbois even. So all of you, instead of asking us why we hate Microsoft so much, why don't you ask yourself what it is you love about it? They have way more money than you. They could probably sue you for a license agreement you have broken at one point. Their software phones home and reports on you without you knowing. The new flagship OS, Vista, is sluggish to say the least. You'll love your new computer you are forced to buy just to run it at a medium pace. But hey, you'll finally be able to enjoy those visual effects that Mac and Linux users have been enjoying for years. Oh and it's supposed to be the most secure version of Windows ever. So maybe it's not as secure as Mac and Linux, but at least you can rag XP users once you switch.
This may sound like one large flame, but really its just an honest question. Why do you love Windows so much? Explain why it's so much better than Linux and FreeBSD. Try to do it without mentioning games, cause we have consoles for games. You should be the one justifying to us why we should spend 150 bucks on an OS. We shouldn't have to sell "free" to you.
Yeah I agree. The time limits on passwords cause most people to just come up with something easier to remember. Why should I have to change my password every 30 days if it's something like Mxo2s0LLn234aAZSQ
If I can't even get it right I'm sure no one else is going to guess it. There shouldn't be a need to change it.
I think they just noticed how much the PS3s were going for on Ebay before they were release and thought "you mean we can get away with selling one for that". If they did release a game console:
a.) it'd only play the games it wants to play, when it wants to play them
b.) the retail price will match the PS3 pre-release ebay price.
c.) no one will be lined up to get one
Actually I'm one of those who have a social life beyond the internet and realize that saying "Yo girl, what up....holla" on Saturday night on myspace while dressed in your boxers looking at porn, isn't going to get you anywhere. If you rely on myspace for your socializing, you are pathetic. Also if I were spending my Saturday night making out with a sixteen year old hottie, I'd be in trouble with both the Police and my wife.
You missed my point. The bot comment was to say I find most people on myspace.com to be about as interesting as an eggdrop bot with a megahal script. If you have no idea what that is, no prob, I won't insult your ignorance of a geek subject even though you're on SLASHDOT. I stereotyped myspace users, you stereotyped slashdot users. Unfortunately, the myspace stereotype was more accurate.
Why on earth would an employer be looking at someone's myspace page to decide whether to hire them or not? What happened to interviews? If you want to create fake information. Just buy a domain, get some cheap hosting, and create a Professional looking site all about you. This would be a plus if you are trying to get a job in web development or in technology in general. It actually shows your knowledge. Another plus is that http://meettheprofessional.com/ looks a lot better than http://myspace.com/jacktheraper. You can put any fake quotes you want on there, or just add a wordpress blog to it and add fake comments. It's a lot better than inducing a seizure in a potential future employer.
I'm not sure you are correct when you say/.ers like to criticise the status quo, especially as it relates to social network sites like myspace. It's not like we are sitting around waiting on something to become popular so we can talk shit about it. For me personally, I just don't get myspace. I don't understand it's popularity at all. The only thing it proves to me is that a large majority of people are stupid.
I mean, if it's about having a personal web page, what ever happened to angelfire and geocities. If it's about communication, what about IRC, IM, and forums. Most of the myspace profile pages I've seen look like someone tried to teach a retarded blind monkey how to write html. There's no telling how many seisures myspace has caused and they should have warnings about it. In fact, before you are allowed to view the page you should have to click some kind of agreement that states you understand you could go into a seisure just by viewing the page. I wish I was exaggerating.
I'll compare this to when I was a kid. When I was growing up in the 80's, fashion was rediculously silly. My parent's generation looked at us like we were a bunch of nuts, and we were. Now I'm part of the generation that's looking at myspace and thinking what are these kids thinking. Do they realize how stupid these pages look. Also back when I was a kid there were adults that tried to fit in with the kids when it came to fashion. They were nuts. Looking back now, they'd be like "what was I thinking". The same thing goes for the older people on myspace. They just want to pretend they are kids again. History repeats itself. This is evident in the comments on a lot of myspace pages. That's the same language people were using in the early 90's on AOL. Bring on the new AOL and embrace it's popularity.
Slashdot doesn't criticize the status quo....we criticize the stupid status quo.
This is our social network. Most of us, I would say, also use this old technology called IRC. To tell the truth. I'd rather talk to an eggdrop bot with a megahal script on IRC than to most of the real people on myspace.
Everyone knows that movie was fake...I mean the Devil Book. The Unix Bible........it was way too small in the film, maybe they had the abridged version.
Digg has no good stories any more. Add that to the fact it already had crap for discussions. Quite frankly I hope Digg stays popular though. It seems to draw complete morons away from slashdot a bit.
I'm sure they all rush at the opportunity to install Windows on their $2000 Mac. Thanks for your help in assuring Microsoft keeps it's strong hold on the market. Hopefully they are giving you a commission.
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You almost nailed me...I"m a bald-headed Libertarian.
As I stated in another post. Hardware vendors, like game vendors support Windows. As long as you like being stuck in the cell a Windows, this is fine. Hardware vendors, game vendors, and Microsoft win. Nobody else can compete, also known as a monopoly. It's hard to find another industry like this.
It's against every f*cking business/market creed out there. Go shopping for green beans. You don't just see one brand of green beans. Go shopping for a car. You don't see one brand. Man the FUD is getting really deep since I posted this question. There are only like 5 or 6 major distributions of linux, and the base of GNU/Linux is pretty standard across the board. Yet you guys throw this up like it's a valid point. I installed VS 2005 on Vista, it gives me an error that there are known issues with this product in Vista. WTF. nVidia's linux driver can be used by all distros as far as I know. How many different nvidia driver choices do you have for Windows. Here's one for Windows 98, here's one for Windows 2000/XP, and there's another for Vista. Wait what about 64bit versus 32bit. FUD FUD FUD
Again, your driver issue is just like the gaming issue. Vendors support what everyone is using. You are using a monopoly defense essentially. It's hard to use a printer if you have to write the driver for it because the people who made it, only meant for you to use it with Windows. Your "You get what you pay for" statement is great. Did you get that straight from a Microsoft FUD campaign or did you come up with that all by yourself?
You are looking at the results of a monopoly, not why the product is better. Using the fact that it's a monopoly as a basis for your defense of Windows. This is what I'm talking about.
I didn't really say that you shouldn't have a gaming PC. I said you shouldn't use that as the reason you use Windows. Because it is a gaming PC. Windows isn't relevant if you consider that the same games could run on Linux or any other OS if the game manufactures felt the need to write them for something other than Windows. I said "GAMING" isn't a reason to support "WINDOWS"
I agree with you guys. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy gaming on the PC too. There are ways to use Linux for your computing tasks and Windows only for your gaming though. Plus the console game market is extremely huge right now. Look though, if you were using Linux as your everyday OS and only booted to Windows for games, and everyone else did the same thing. What OS would game developers start writing their games for. Going back to my car analogy I love so much, even though I suck at analogies. Lets say that 98% of people drove Fords. People who make Air Conditioners only make their A/C's for Fords. What if you want to drive something else? It doesn't work that way though. The computer industry is one of the few that everyone thinks this is ok. Why is it perfectly ok for the computer industry to be dominated by one company?
The computer that you run your Windows games could just as easily be running the game in Linux, or any other OS for that matter. Your computer hardware is running the game. The problem is the game makers only made it for Windows. So you defend Windows because you have no choice but to use it for PC games. That's a great defense. Think about it. You are defending the company that limits your choices and forces you to use their OS to play your PC games. YOU are defending them for it. Are you getting me?
Nah you're right, the article doesn't come across as fanboish. It does however state the question, "Why do you hate Microsoft?" It presumes that one has to hate Microsoft in order to use another OS. It's like saying that the reason I don't drive a Ford is because I have a hatred for Ford. My first car could have been a Honda and since they never gave me any trouble, I've always owned one.
My point is Linux is free. OpenOffice is free. I shouldn't have to justify why I use these products over MS Windows and Office when each costs more than $100. Instead of pirating Windows and Office, perhaps I've just decided I like the price of Linux and OpenOffice. The article is asking us to justify why we don't use Microsoft, and how many times do we have to do this. This is the only market where people want you to justify using a free product over one that costs money. They should be making the product worth buying. They should be the ones making the sales pitch to us. I should have to make a sales pitch for free products. Do the Windows fanbois really know how backwards this situation is?
That's all you could come up with huh.....
That's true. We do complain about Microsoft because we use the software. I mean that's gotta be it right. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that a lot of us are forced to use Microsoft products daily.
I think a better question for this article would be...Why do people defend Microsoft so often? What exactly drives Windows fans. It's not their freedom. It's not the stability of their system. It's not it's ease of use. Maybe they steal Windows on torrents, because surely no one is just backing something because they paid for it. Wait maybe that's it. Could it be that the reason a lot of people are defending Windows is because it's the product that they bought. Hell I don't know, but this has been a question on my mind for a long time. I can see the drive behind defending Open Source Products. I can see why Linux and BSD people can be proud of their OS. I can even understand why Mac users are proud. I could just never understand how anyone could be a Windows "fanboi".
Some possible causes that I can think of would be:
1.) User didn't have a computer before 2001 and has only used XP(possibly used 2k and XP only).
2.) Purchased MS product so feel the need to justify said purchase.
3.) Stole MS product and is under the disillusion that the product was free.
4.) Has never even attempted to use anything else.
5.) Believes everything they were taught in school.
I could probably add to this list.
I'm currently attending an online class where we were comparing Linux and Windows. Only two people in the class had tried Linux. Everyone else had only used Windows. Those who had only used Windows kept going on and on about how user-friendly Windows is. I'm thinking, "compared to nothing, I can see your point." Windows is user-friendly only if you know how to use it. In a lot of cases, if you really know how to use it, you don't want to use it anymore. Most people really don't even know how to use it. Yet they'll stand up for it. It amazes me that they believe they are computer savvy because they can log into slashdot or digg and post their comments.
Keep in mind that I'm not talking about all Windows users. Some people have a legitimate reason to use Windows. GAMES. That's right it has games. That's the biggest selling point I've heard so far. Most of these gamers have a Wii, an Xbox360, and a PS3. Hey here's a thought. Play games on your consoles, and stop using that as a reason for using Windows.
There's a fair amount of Windows fanbois on slashdot these days. I'd say they probably outnumber the Linux fanbois even. So all of you, instead of asking us why we hate Microsoft so much, why don't you ask yourself what it is you love about it? They have way more money than you. They could probably sue you for a license agreement you have broken at one point. Their software phones home and reports on you without you knowing. The new flagship OS, Vista, is sluggish to say the least. You'll love your new computer you are forced to buy just to run it at a medium pace. But hey, you'll finally be able to enjoy those visual effects that Mac and Linux users have been enjoying for years. Oh and it's supposed to be the most secure version of Windows ever. So maybe it's not as secure as Mac and Linux, but at least you can rag XP users once you switch.
This may sound like one large flame, but really its just an honest question. Why do you love Windows so much? Explain why it's so much better than Linux and FreeBSD. Try to do it without mentioning games, cause we have consoles for games. You should be the one justifying to us why we should spend 150 bucks on an OS. We shouldn't have to sell "free" to you.
Yeah I agree. The time limits on passwords cause most people to just come up with something easier to remember. Why should I have to change my password every 30 days if it's something like Mxo2s0LLn234aAZSQ If I can't even get it right I'm sure no one else is going to guess it. There shouldn't be a need to change it.
I think they just noticed how much the PS3s were going for on Ebay before they were release and thought "you mean we can get away with selling one for that". If they did release a game console:
a.) it'd only play the games it wants to play, when it wants to play them
b.) the retail price will match the PS3 pre-release ebay price. c.) no one will be lined up to get one
Nah illegal aliens would have used dry-wall
Most forums are threaded discussions.
I wish I had photographed everyone's face as I told them there's alternatives to Windows. It's the look of total shock. It would make a good website.
Actually I'm one of those who have a social life beyond the internet and realize that saying "Yo girl, what up....holla" on Saturday night on myspace while dressed in your boxers looking at porn, isn't going to get you anywhere. If you rely on myspace for your socializing, you are pathetic. Also if I were spending my Saturday night making out with a sixteen year old hottie, I'd be in trouble with both the Police and my wife.
You missed my point. The bot comment was to say I find most people on myspace.com to be about as interesting as an eggdrop bot with a megahal script. If you have no idea what that is, no prob, I won't insult your ignorance of a geek subject even though you're on SLASHDOT. I stereotyped myspace users, you stereotyped slashdot users. Unfortunately, the myspace stereotype was more accurate.
Another good reason not to use myspace.com then :)
Why on earth would an employer be looking at someone's myspace page to decide whether to hire them or not? What happened to interviews? If you want to create fake information. Just buy a domain, get some cheap hosting, and create a Professional looking site all about you. This would be a plus if you are trying to get a job in web development or in technology in general. It actually shows your knowledge. Another plus is that http://meettheprofessional.com/ looks a lot better than http://myspace.com/jacktheraper. You can put any fake quotes you want on there, or just add a wordpress blog to it and add fake comments. It's a lot better than inducing a seizure in a potential future employer.
All of those things can be done with Email. People are drawn to fads. It's as simple as that.
I'm not sure you are correct when you say /.ers like to criticise the status quo, especially as it relates to social network sites like myspace. It's not like we are sitting around waiting on something to become popular so we can talk shit about it. For me personally, I just don't get myspace. I don't understand it's popularity at all. The only thing it proves to me is that a large majority of people are stupid.
I mean, if it's about having a personal web page, what ever happened to angelfire and geocities. If it's about communication, what about IRC, IM, and forums. Most of the myspace profile pages I've seen look like someone tried to teach a retarded blind monkey how to write html. There's no telling how many seisures myspace has caused and they should have warnings about it. In fact, before you are allowed to view the page you should have to click some kind of agreement that states you understand you could go into a seisure just by viewing the page. I wish I was exaggerating.
I'll compare this to when I was a kid. When I was growing up in the 80's, fashion was rediculously silly. My parent's generation looked at us like we were a bunch of nuts, and we were. Now I'm part of the generation that's looking at myspace and thinking what are these kids thinking. Do they realize how stupid these pages look. Also back when I was a kid there were adults that tried to fit in with the kids when it came to fashion. They were nuts. Looking back now, they'd be like "what was I thinking". The same thing goes for the older people on myspace. They just want to pretend they are kids again. History repeats itself. This is evident in the comments on a lot of myspace pages. That's the same language people were using in the early 90's on AOL. Bring on the new AOL and embrace it's popularity.
Slashdot doesn't criticize the status quo....we criticize the stupid status quo.
This is our social network. Most of us, I would say, also use this old technology called IRC. To tell the truth. I'd rather talk to an eggdrop bot with a megahal script on IRC than to most of the real people on myspace.
Everyone knows that movie was fake...I mean the Devil Book. The Unix Bible........it was way too small in the film, maybe they had the abridged version.
dude I think you missed the train to digg
Digg has no good stories any more. Add that to the fact it already had crap for discussions. Quite frankly I hope Digg stays popular though. It seems to draw complete morons away from slashdot a bit.
I'm sure they all rush at the opportunity to install Windows on their $2000 Mac. Thanks for your help in assuring Microsoft keeps it's strong hold on the market. Hopefully they are giving you a commission.