I've never had time to watch that show, but now thanks to your analogy I *know* that show really stinks.
Thanks for the time saver - I now I won't have to watch either Babbling on five or this SCO 'vaporsuit' anymore, since their basically the same thing!
Let's recap some of Novell's previous purchases:
Wordperfect - barely breathing
Quattro Pro - dead
Paradox - dead
DR-DOS - dead?
Novell, a company whose mission for the past 15 years seems to have been "Buy Microsoft's competition and run it into the ground" has purchased one of the few Linux desktops that could potentially give Microsoft a run for its money.
Actually, there is another way of viewing it -
"Novell buys a competing and Microsoft does everything in thier power to run it into the ground including breaking the law"
I see that your conveniently forgetting that Microsoft lost a lawsuit to Digital Research because it ripped off components of Digital Research's CP/M operating system code for MS-DOS. (See http://www.aaxnet.com/topics/msinc.html#dr)
And FYI - DR-DOS is still in use today on various ATM's, POS & Credit Card verification machines, some of which humorously enough replaced a failed mass Win NT roll out for the same. And Micrsoft is still trying to penetrate into that particular market.
So no, I don't think it's all over for Ximian -
I think at worst, Novell will repurpose some of Ximian's Code and use it somewhere else effectively just like Novell has done with it's other purchases. (I understand that some of Dr-DOS went into the Novell Bootloader, WP went into Groupwise message editor.)
And because of this aquiring know how & resources (just like microsoft), it has enabled Novell to break ground in many area before it's competition, like NDS (in fact, way before Microsoft came out with AD).
Let's it, that "Sinking Ship" B.S. about Novell had it's start from some vicious Microsofty marketers looking to spike stock and consumer confidence in the products.
You say you don't believe Microsoft's capable of actually lying about something to gain an advantage? Don't remember Microsoft's "Microsoft Server Crunch" mail campaign either?
Hmm, perhaps this link will refresh your that BSOD'd memory of yours - http://www.nwfusion.com/newsletters/netware/2001/0 1047622.html
Strange how Microsoft Fudsters seem to have the same kind of annoying perverseness as Spammers... Has anyone else ever wondered whether their one and the same people?
Plus this also brings up an interesting side question about other factors that could influence the outcome:What about the differing priorities of the subjects involved in the study?
For example, What if most of Guys in the study were techs used to routinely working on PC's with crap video displays and thus normally are more forgiving than the women who were secretaries that happened to be used to more upscale PC's?
The road runner and using this to plaster a fake image of a tunnel enterance over a some brick wall, in hopes that some poor schelp will try running through it...
Shouldn't your title have been Opt in by Association? (Kinda like Guilt by association... Which I think the DMA is worried about here.)
Right now, the general public percieves - Spammers = Electronic Junk mail. DMA = Paper Junk Mail.
It won't be long before (if not already) the public accepts that - Spammers = DMA.
So in my mind, the Direct Marketers Association is probably just trying to dodge the bullet of eventually having a 'tobbaco company style' lawsuit with them in the crosshairs.
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Actually, I messed around with it solitare style myself when a friend of mine & I accidently stumbled upon the tanks turning 'bug' which let you jump from on side of a wall to the other. We eventually figured out that you could not only do that, but jump from one side of the arena to the other, or to any of the four corners of the arena when you lined your tank up against the wall and then attempted to turn into the corner. (I loved getting my tank to spin through all four corners of the arena.)
And eventually made for some very hilarious games between us after we both quickly mastered nearly every exploitation of the bug we could think of. Then we stumbled upon a way to exploit this bug a little more and shoot through the walls & corners...:->
Plus I found out a few of these same tricks in Space War (or Space combat as the Sears VCS game was called.)
So yes, spending hours playing a two player game by yourself does have it's points.
- White Wolf
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Complete with hearing aids, glasses, and cardio resuscitators for those pesky myocardio infarctions we'd get everytime we see a monster beat the c**p out of us in full 360 degree stereo!
Heck, come to think of it, I'll be happy if they have anything like an "old gamer's home" with something decent to play. I simply dread the thought of getting stuck with only a checker board...
And I can just see myself sitting at such a future gaming session - Old DM - "You see a troll." Old Gamer - "Eh? You want me to Roll? Damn, I hardly have the strength to pick up these pewter dice my daughter gave me..." Old DM, cupping his hand by his ear - "'puter? What computer - Dave, this is a paper & pencil RPG!" Old Gamer, twiddling with his hearing aids volume control - "I'm getting attacked with a rocket propelled grenade? I thought we were playing Dungeons & Dragons, not Twilight 2000..."
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And worse - you didn't alert the media that you found a woman that *actually* publicly announced she wanted to have sex...
Talk about an even lower statistic!
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Boy, do I remember playing MU-Dungeon on the Mecc Teletype! I even remember trying to input my first basic text game via the card reader. (Yep, you read that right, I did say 'card reader' - the yucky pencil fill in or punch hole card programming days of yore. When You only had a few K and Meg was a complete pipe dream!)
Believe me, I'm a aging 37 year old casual gamer who misses the days of 'classic games'. (Thanks for the Abandonware tip, BTW!) And I think now a days what the media calls gamers, isn't. Especially ever since Magic the gathering collectible Card games fouled the paper & pencil Role Playing Games, (or worse, when Vegas started renaming Gambling to 'gaming'...).
IMHO, a 'gamer' is part strategist, part problem solver, and part curious kender willing to dig into really thick rulebooks in order to play - not these neophyte wimps coming along who have trouble memorizing a set of game rules which have been reduced to the size of a sixteen page pamphlet!
So if their using that benchmark for measuring the gamer population, then their statistic is more plausible!
Well, I guess we know where the rest of that government funding disappeared to while they were busy subsidizing the financial losses of the carbon paper manufacturers... "Senator blackfingers - we found a solution for your brothers lost business profits!"
Sure, I can see a few of our of really technophobic executives using this silly pen to plug their henscratchings directly into a computer, instead of having a secretary having to retype it or scan it.
Speaking of scanning, you could use it for making hand drawn maps or simple art, But then, that's what the digital pads were supposed be for...
Instead of messing are with fiddle faddles like this, when are they going to come up with a decent roll up style interactive computer display that I can use to hand draw out maps on while I'm setting up my tactical/D&D metal miniture battles in which I now use with wet erase markers?
(Personally, I think my players would love it if we were be able to digitally save these maps, and I know it would certainly be a boon to us DM's!)
- White Wolf
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Bush Administration.
{If you don't realise the courts are taking their marching orders from the good ole boys network on top, then your simply not paying attention! This administration has been systematically rolling back dozens of reforms, laws, and the like on the books in the name of big business & profits... But that's not what this thread is about.}
Being hearing impaired (and fully employable!) myself, I've seen first hand time and again how many business would really prefer to treat the disabled & the ADA.
I constantly hear lazy business executives whine 'why should I be forced to do this?' quickly follow it up with the dogeared excuse, 'If we do it'll cost us our profit margin!'
What irritates me the most, (and I imagine most other disabled people) is that after spending lots of my hard earned money just to *try* and be able to function like a normal human being most of the time, these same businessmen are completely unwilling to meet me part of the way, by spending a little of their money to make my use of their facilities less of a hassle for me...
The disabled aren't looking for free handouts - what we're for is simply being *able* to do what everyone else takes for granted without having to resort to/extraordinary measures/ to do so.
And the ADA *WAS* intended to prod the really stubborn amongst our population into simply providing the disabled a part way meeting point so we could do just that. And, we all know that without it, a larger portion of the general populance would simply prefer to throw up a "it's somebody else's problem" mental shield of ignorance to hide behind!
Personally, I think everyone who voices their negative opinions about the ADA should try spending one day of their weekend without their hearing, sight or ability to walk to get a small idea of the challenges it presents them. Because they can't imagine it, they have to experience it.
Besides - How many of you noticed that people who were fully-abled and once believed that ADA was a such huge financial burden usually change their tunes when they or their children become disabled, and experience what it's like firsthand?
The sad thing is this is mostly because of a ignorant self awareness of our current cultural training. Which unfortunately, is directly proportional to how well medical technology eventually adverts some of disabilities we're born with, and creating a smaller and smaller minority of people who 'slip through the cracks of our cultural machinerys normal functioning'.
{And for those of you who still don't know what I'm refering too, here's a sample qoute illustrating the reality of many disabled people in our society - "Born a dwarf? Tough cookies - you'll just have wait until you get home to go to bathroom, Because all of our urinal's & toilets are set at the average persons height."
Unfortunately, after seeing this response enough times, even some of normally polite disabled people become quite tempted to simply unzip their fly and start p****** on these business peoples shoes for responding & acting like that in the first place.}
Making websites available to the blind isn't a big in the first place, putting glorified eyecandy on the site SHOULD NOT BE the end all of a Website. For most company website, that goal should be conveying information about their products and services, and how people can purchase them. The web (and the attendant webservers) can do just like the BBS's (Bulletin Board Systems) that came before them/it did, and have the ability for displaying multiple formats for the pages based on what kind of connection that is being made, (Ascii with color codes or just plain text in the 'old days'). I did it while I ran my own BBS years ago, and I really don't see why an Apache Webserver Admin can't do the same thing now days - because their essentially already doing something pretty similar to it when they use the language specific pages. Why can't an Apache web administrator (or user) simply toggle a switch that defines whether HTML or rich text is sent to a browser? I've seen others in the forum state many times that properly implemented HTML would make this very simple. Therefore, I can only conclude that several people are just cutting corners at the expense of the blind.
Personally, I think such is inherently wrong. But then, in this post-enron world, Morality & Ethics are probably getting dispensed with in the pursuit of the all mighty dollar...:/
- WW
I'd have to agree with this statement that the G Forces encountered while on a Coaster DOES NOT at all compare to those of Astronauts & Fighter pilots.
Roller coasters are only *very breif* exposures to high G forces, and not sustained ones which the astronauts & fighter jet pilots endure.
Specifically, there's two reasons I can say this from, the first being my own personal experience - which was gained from a very short stint of storm chasing in college (during a sort of extreme meterology class) and having been physically tossed about by the heavy winds while in various vehicles first hand, and the second part comes from the special training we recieved which went into detail discussing the various medical effects of High G forces, which stressed that the short durations of high G's we sometimes were exposed to didn't cause the injury themselves but were due to the impacts, AND we were further shown what the effects of sustained High G's were, so we could clearly knew the difference.
We were shown how the primary effects of High G, cause the blood not to flow as easily to the brain, sometimes causing greying vison, and if sustained for long enough, black outs & death. (The exact time period for each of these varies from individual to individual, as each person has thier own specific oxygen starvation tolerances.)
Plus, at sustained upper G forces in a plane or rocker launch, the pressure exerted upon the body eventually also collapses the lungs, causing an inability to take a full breath, which further compounds the problem. This of course, is extremely discomforting - which is why I don't think our thrill seeking Roller Coaster riders would be going out of thier way to repeating... so clearly, you can't compare 'high G' roller coasters to what the fighter pilots & Astronauts are experiencing!
- WW
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Ahh - You found SCO's super secret future product offering: Really Cheap Fertilizer!
I've never had time to watch that show, but now thanks to your analogy I *know* that show really stinks. Thanks for the time saver - I now I won't have to watch either Babbling on five or this SCO 'vaporsuit' anymore, since their basically the same thing!
Let's recap some of Novell's previous purchases: Wordperfect - barely breathing Quattro Pro - dead Paradox - dead DR-DOS - dead? Novell, a company whose mission for the past 15 years seems to have been "Buy Microsoft's competition and run it into the ground" has purchased one of the few Linux desktops that could potentially give Microsoft a run for its money. Actually, there is another way of viewing it - "Novell buys a competing and Microsoft does everything in thier power to run it into the ground including breaking the law" I see that your conveniently forgetting that Microsoft lost a lawsuit to Digital Research because it ripped off components of Digital Research's CP/M operating system code for MS-DOS. (See http://www.aaxnet.com/topics/msinc.html#dr) And FYI - DR-DOS is still in use today on various ATM's, POS & Credit Card verification machines, some of which humorously enough replaced a failed mass Win NT roll out for the same. And Micrsoft is still trying to penetrate into that particular market. So no, I don't think it's all over for Ximian - I think at worst, Novell will repurpose some of Ximian's Code and use it somewhere else effectively just like Novell has done with it's other purchases. (I understand that some of Dr-DOS went into the Novell Bootloader, WP went into Groupwise message editor.) And because of this aquiring know how & resources (just like microsoft), it has enabled Novell to break ground in many area before it's competition, like NDS (in fact, way before Microsoft came out with AD).
Let's it, that "Sinking Ship" B.S. about Novell had it's start from some vicious Microsofty marketers looking to spike stock and consumer confidence in the products.
0 1047622.html
You say you don't believe Microsoft's capable of actually lying about something to gain an advantage? Don't remember Microsoft's "Microsoft Server Crunch" mail campaign either?
Hmm, perhaps this link will refresh your that BSOD'd memory of yours - http://www.nwfusion.com/newsletters/netware/2001/
Strange how Microsoft Fudsters seem to have the same kind of annoying perverseness as Spammers... Has anyone else ever wondered whether their one and the same people?
Plus this also brings up an interesting side question about other factors that could influence the outcome:What about the differing priorities of the subjects involved in the study?
For example, What if most of Guys in the study were techs used to routinely working on PC's with crap video displays and thus normally are more forgiving than the women who were secretaries that happened to be used to more upscale PC's?
The road runner and using this to plaster a fake image of a tunnel enterance over a some brick wall, in hopes that some poor schelp will try running through it...
(And it'll probably be a terrorist too!)
Nah... Not wings. A flaming blue jet spewing out of it's rump would be a lot more appropo for this story!
Shouldn't your title have been Opt in by Association? (Kinda like Guilt by association... Which I think the DMA is worried about here.)
Right now, the general public percieves -
Spammers = Electronic Junk mail.
DMA = Paper Junk Mail.
It won't be long before (if not already) the public accepts that -
Spammers = DMA.
So in my mind, the Direct Marketers Association is probably just trying to dodge the bullet of eventually having a 'tobbaco company style' lawsuit with them in the crosshairs.
Actually, I messed around with it solitare style myself when a friend of mine & I accidently stumbled upon the tanks turning 'bug' which let you jump from on side of a wall to the other. We eventually figured out that you could not only do that, but jump from one side of the arena to the other, or to any of the four corners of the arena when you lined your tank up against the wall and then attempted to turn into the corner. (I loved getting my tank to spin through all four corners of the arena.)
:->
And eventually made for some very hilarious games between us after we both quickly mastered nearly every exploitation of the bug we could think of. Then we stumbled upon a way to exploit this bug a little more and shoot through the walls & corners...
Plus I found out a few of these same tricks in Space War (or Space combat as the Sears VCS game was called.)
So yes, spending hours playing a two player game by yourself does have it's points.
- White Wolf
Complete with hearing aids, glasses, and cardio resuscitators for those pesky myocardio infarctions we'd get everytime we see a monster beat the c**p out of us in full 360 degree stereo!
Heck, come to think of it, I'll be happy if they have anything like an "old gamer's home" with something decent to play. I simply dread the thought of getting stuck with only a checker board...
And I can just see myself sitting at such a future gaming session -
Old DM - "You see a troll."
Old Gamer - "Eh? You want me to Roll? Damn, I hardly have the strength to pick up these pewter dice my daughter gave me..."
Old DM, cupping his hand by his ear - "'puter? What computer - Dave, this is a paper & pencil RPG!"
Old Gamer, twiddling with his hearing aids volume control - "I'm getting attacked with a rocket propelled grenade? I thought we were playing Dungeons & Dragons, not Twilight 2000..."
And worse - you didn't alert the media that you found a woman that *actually* publicly announced she wanted to have sex...
Talk about an even lower statistic!
Boy, do I remember playing MU-Dungeon on the Mecc Teletype! I even remember trying to input my first basic text game via the card reader. (Yep, you read that right, I did say 'card reader' - the yucky pencil fill in or punch hole card programming days of yore. When You only had a few K and Meg was a complete pipe dream!)
Believe me, I'm a aging 37 year old casual gamer who misses the days of 'classic games'. (Thanks for the Abandonware tip, BTW!) And I think now a days what the media calls gamers, isn't. Especially ever since Magic the gathering collectible Card games fouled the paper & pencil Role Playing Games, (or worse, when Vegas started renaming Gambling to 'gaming'...).
IMHO, a 'gamer' is part strategist, part problem solver, and part curious kender willing to dig into really thick rulebooks in order to play - not these neophyte wimps coming along who have trouble memorizing a set of game rules which have been reduced to the size of a sixteen page pamphlet!
So if their using that benchmark for measuring the gamer population, then their statistic is more plausible!
- White Wolf
Well, I guess we know where the rest of that government funding disappeared to while they were busy subsidizing the financial losses of the carbon paper manufacturers... "Senator blackfingers - we found a solution for your brothers lost business profits!"
Sure, I can see a few of our of really technophobic executives using this silly pen to plug their henscratchings directly into a computer, instead of having a secretary having to retype it or scan it.
Speaking of scanning, you could use it for making hand drawn maps or simple art, But then, that's what the digital pads were supposed be for...
Instead of messing are with fiddle faddles like this, when are they going to come up with a decent roll up style interactive computer display that I can use to hand draw out maps on while I'm setting up my tactical/D&D metal miniture battles in which I now use with wet erase markers?
(Personally, I think my players would love it if we were be able to digitally save these maps, and I know it would certainly be a boon to us DM's!)
- White Wolf
Bush Administration. {If you don't realise the courts are taking their marching orders from the good ole boys network on top, then your simply not paying attention! This administration has been systematically rolling back dozens of reforms, laws, and the like on the books in the name of big business & profits... But that's not what this thread is about.} Being hearing impaired (and fully employable!) myself, I've seen first hand time and again how many business would really prefer to treat the disabled & the ADA. I constantly hear lazy business executives whine 'why should I be forced to do this?' quickly follow it up with the dogeared excuse, 'If we do it'll cost us our profit margin!' What irritates me the most, (and I imagine most other disabled people) is that after spending lots of my hard earned money just to *try* and be able to function like a normal human being most of the time, these same businessmen are completely unwilling to meet me part of the way, by spending a little of their money to make my use of their facilities less of a hassle for me... The disabled aren't looking for free handouts - what we're for is simply being *able* to do what everyone else takes for granted without having to resort to /extraordinary measures/ to do so.
And the ADA *WAS* intended to prod the really stubborn amongst our population into simply providing the disabled a part way meeting point so we could do just that. And, we all know that without it, a larger portion of the general populance would simply prefer to throw up a "it's somebody else's problem" mental shield of ignorance to hide behind!
Personally, I think everyone who voices their negative opinions about the ADA should try spending one day of their weekend without their hearing, sight or ability to walk to get a small idea of the challenges it presents them. Because they can't imagine it, they have to experience it.
Besides - How many of you noticed that people who were fully-abled and once believed that ADA was a such huge financial burden usually change their tunes when they or their children become disabled, and experience what it's like firsthand?
The sad thing is this is mostly because of a ignorant self awareness of our current cultural training. Which unfortunately, is directly proportional to how well medical technology eventually adverts some of disabilities we're born with, and creating a smaller and smaller minority of people who 'slip through the cracks of our cultural machinerys normal functioning'.
{And for those of you who still don't know what I'm refering too, here's a sample qoute illustrating the reality of many disabled people in our society - "Born a dwarf? Tough cookies - you'll just have wait until you get home to go to bathroom, Because all of our urinal's & toilets are set at the average persons height."
Unfortunately, after seeing this response enough times, even some of normally polite disabled people become quite tempted to simply unzip their fly and start p****** on these business peoples shoes for responding & acting like that in the first place.}
Making websites available to the blind isn't a big in the first place, putting glorified eyecandy on the site SHOULD NOT BE the end all of a Website. For most company website, that goal should be conveying information about their products and services, and how people can purchase them. The web (and the attendant webservers) can do just like the BBS's (Bulletin Board Systems) that came before them/it did, and have the ability for displaying multiple formats for the pages based on what kind of connection that is being made, (Ascii with color codes or just plain text in the 'old days'). I did it while I ran my own BBS years ago, and I really don't see why an Apache Webserver Admin can't do the same thing now days - because their essentially already doing something pretty similar to it when they use the language specific pages. Why can't an Apache web administrator (or user) simply toggle a switch that defines whether HTML or rich text is sent to a browser? I've seen others in the forum state many times that properly implemented HTML would make this very simple. Therefore, I can only conclude that several people are just cutting corners at the expense of the blind.
Personally, I think such is inherently wrong. But then, in this post-enron world, Morality & Ethics are probably getting dispensed with in the pursuit of the all mighty dollar... :/
- WW
I'd have to agree with this statement that the G Forces encountered while on a Coaster DOES NOT at all compare to those of Astronauts & Fighter pilots. Roller coasters are only *very breif* exposures to high G forces, and not sustained ones which the astronauts & fighter jet pilots endure. Specifically, there's two reasons I can say this from, the first being my own personal experience - which was gained from a very short stint of storm chasing in college (during a sort of extreme meterology class) and having been physically tossed about by the heavy winds while in various vehicles first hand, and the second part comes from the special training we recieved which went into detail discussing the various medical effects of High G forces, which stressed that the short durations of high G's we sometimes were exposed to didn't cause the injury themselves but were due to the impacts, AND we were further shown what the effects of sustained High G's were, so we could clearly knew the difference. We were shown how the primary effects of High G, cause the blood not to flow as easily to the brain, sometimes causing greying vison, and if sustained for long enough, black outs & death. (The exact time period for each of these varies from individual to individual, as each person has thier own specific oxygen starvation tolerances.) Plus, at sustained upper G forces in a plane or rocker launch, the pressure exerted upon the body eventually also collapses the lungs, causing an inability to take a full breath, which further compounds the problem. This of course, is extremely discomforting - which is why I don't think our thrill seeking Roller Coaster riders would be going out of thier way to repeating... so clearly, you can't compare 'high G' roller coasters to what the fighter pilots & Astronauts are experiencing! - WW