If Sony want to have their cake and eat it, they are free to develop their own busybox-like suite of tools, on their own dime, and they can probably cannibalise some BSD code to get off to a flying start.
It's been a long time since I had time to browse any of the code repositories out there, but last time I looked, the BSD people (Free, Net, Open,...) all had their own BSD-licensed unixy command-line tools.
Goodness, me, unless I'm mistaken, that stuff's been about for longer than GNU. (My beard is getting grey so forgive me if I'm rambling inanely).
Heck, if you want "real unix" tools, Sun released the official source under the CDDL a few years back.
OK, I know busybox is a very small reimplementation, but as I tried to point out first, it's enough to get Sony off to a flying start...
Although- knowing Britain- the unions will somehow get involved and tripple the costs- and then it will never get built- or the Germans will build it instead.
No, there will be a hostile take-over of the company by a greedy and corrupt competitor or venture capital firm that will asset-strip the company, pay the new board of directors vast salaries, bonuses and share issues, meanwhile radically cutting back the workforce and letting the company fail.
The bankrupt remains of the company will then be sold off to the Chinese.
Practically no one is in a union any more because they're too scared of being labelled as a Militant.
As a token non-American reading this thread, I'd just like to say, that of all the candidates running, the rest of the world would much prefer Obama to get in for a second term.
There's a reason Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize: it was to say thank you to America for at last no electing a foaming-at-the-mouth isolationist war-monger.
She's busy doing politics with Obama and friends telling young Americans to become scientists, engineers and mathematicians. At the same time, she's busy outsourcing her company's (Xerox) engineering work to India.
Not that I'm bitter and twisted, you understand...
I cut my teeth on the ZX81 when I was 8 years old, and I've still got it... I had a 1k ZX81 which later got upgraded to 16k with a "proper" keyboard. My dad mounted it on a wooden base and fixed the RAM pack to eliminate wobble.
By the time I was 9 I was a confident BASIC programmer, writing my own (very slow) games, and was learning Z80 machine code (note all you commodore people: the 6502 sucked in comparison).
When I was 10 I got a multi-tasking FORTH ROM. It was a replacement for the built-in Sinclair BASIC ROM and was 8k. It contained a Real Time multi-tasking threaded-compiled (as opposed to interpreted) FORTH system.
You can get a ZX81 emulator for *nix and the ROM image is out there somewhere. I downloaded a copy a year or two back. Google for "zx81 husband forth rom".
Some Sinclair staff who had worked on the ZX81 left to form their own company to make a computer called the Jupiter Ace, which was somewhere between a ZX81 and a Spectrum in terms of hardware (no colour, but high-res graphics and more RAM than the ZX81). The FORTH in that was more conventional.
What do you do now? Are you one of those who retired, took the voluntary, or got a new job elsewhere? I gather that some of the WV teams have lost 80% of their staff since the job market isn't too bad over there, but it's a different story in Rochester, NY.
Ursula and Wim must have thought we were stupid: cut the engineering budget, do a deal with an outsourcing company and then tell us we were going to get "extra help."
As one of my former colleagues said at the time, "HCL is not an Engineering Charity."
If you read back through my Slashdot journal you might get some clues as to which site I worked at:-)
This is the funniest discussion on the Interwebs in a long time. I haven't laughed this hard since I first watched Mr Hankey. That was a long time ago!
There is no free speech here. Everything has to be Left wing, Marxist, or you're sacked from your job.
Are you nuts? The UK has been right-wing since Maggie Thatcher took power in 1979.
Marxist? Everything has been privatised.
You can't even get a decent education any more without having to pay for it privately.
Free speech? You're allowed to say what you like as long as you don't incite violence or spout arbitrary hate... Oh wait... I see your problem with that.
Western workers have those too, it's just that, since we're not starving to death we're not willing to work 80 hour weeks for a pittance and accept orders unquestioningly.
We like to have a decent standard of living, to work on interesting things, to have our expert scientific and engineering judgment respected by our managers, to take pride in our work, to make quality products that people want to buy and to be able to learn and grow.
FTFA: A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the companyâ(TM)s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames.
I have a wife, a son and a life. You will not catch me living in a company dormitory at some PHB's beck and call 24hours a day just to be able to make some VP in the USA another bonus this quarter. These Chinese people are only doing this because they have to, for now. In a few more years as their standard of living goes up, and they realise how badly they are being exploited, it will stop.
I've just left HCL having been transferred there from Xerox last year as part of a global outsourcing deal where Ursula, Wim and Mark did a "partnership" with HCL to "leverage" there huge global talent pool or something. 600 out of the 3600 permanent engineers were transferred (the rest may follow soon). We were told it wasn't about outsourcing and that we'd have thousands of extra motivated and empowered people to help us accelerate the delivery of our projects, so we all went home and put our updated CVs on the job boards.
It was just as well, because what really happened was that much of the existing work was taken away to us with very little time and resource being put into Knowledge Transfer. Lo and behold, these "passionate and empowered" super-humans from the sub-continent are struggling to deliver anything.
The outsourcing companies run on this hubris-fueled delusion that they sell to western CEOs that western staff are fat, lazy and stupid and that their staff are intelligent and "motivated." What they actually do is to employ vast armies of fresh graduates (with absolutely no professional experience) at rock-bottom salaries and ship a few them over for a few months at a time (as long as they can get away with on the cheapest work permit) to "acquire knowledge." Of course, these poor young people are under enormous pressure to take on years of knowledge in a few weeks. Then they often go back to India (or wherever) with that knowledge and get put on a different project. The original project gets shipped offshore and work stops because no one knows how to do it.
This is why outsourcing to places like India gets a bad name: the Indians (or wherever) aren't stupid or lazy, they're just young, inexperienced and being badly exploited. 25-year-old guys are being given the work of mature teams with decades of experience.
I know this is off-topic, but how a forward pointed exhaust works?
Badly, like everything else that Renault ever made?
They managed to stop making cars that rust away to nothing in under 12 months in recent years so they have to have something to make up for it. I believe the original Clios used to drown if you drove them through a puddle.
When I were a lad watching Formula One, my dad always used to say that Renault had to put a turbo charger on Renee Arnoux's car to give it some sort of chance of getting over the finishing line before it fell to bits.
This is further proof of the existence of ancient alien astronauts. They came to Earth and taught us pottery using the same level of technology employed in the heat shields of their flying saucers.
You heard it here first: ancient pottery is derived from alien heatshield technology.
He just wanted to build rockets. His line of reasoning was morally dubious though. I'm not sure he was really interested in the Nazis winning the war. I think his idea was that if he kind of went along with it and made these not-very-useful weapons, it would kill fewer people than if he were forced to work on something else.
Yes, I know about the slave labour. I'm not trying to justify what he did or make excuses. I just think that he was far more interested in developing rockets than killing people or Nazi Germany taking over the world.
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For shortly it will bear the burden of millions upon millions of lines of FORTRAN written in Perl.
A fork is not a rewrite.
If Sony want to have their cake and eat it, they are free to develop their own busybox-like suite of tools, on their own dime, and they can probably cannibalise some BSD code to get off to a flying start.
It's been a long time since I had time to browse any of the code repositories out there, but last time I looked, the BSD people (Free, Net, Open, ...) all had their own BSD-licensed unixy command-line tools.
Goodness, me, unless I'm mistaken, that stuff's been about for longer than GNU. (My beard is getting grey so forgive me if I'm rambling inanely).
Heck, if you want "real unix" tools, Sun released the official source under the CDDL a few years back.
OK, I know busybox is a very small reimplementation, but as I tried to point out first, it's enough to get Sony off to a flying start...
No, Maggie Thatcher routed them back in the 1980s.
Although- knowing Britain- the unions will somehow get involved and tripple the costs- and then it will never get built- or the Germans will build it instead.
No, there will be a hostile take-over of the company by a greedy and corrupt competitor or venture capital firm that will asset-strip the company, pay the new board of directors vast salaries, bonuses and share issues, meanwhile radically cutting back the workforce and letting the company fail.
The bankrupt remains of the company will then be sold off to the Chinese.
Practically no one is in a union any more because they're too scared of being labelled as a Militant.
...and it witters inane and faintly intimidating drivel at the enemy until it cowers in submission.
very heavily rewritten
A whole load of new bugs to deal with!
hell a bi-plane from WWI will do just fine against Taliban.
Did they have Toyota pick-up trucks and AK-47s in WWI?
As a token non-American reading this thread, I'd just like to say, that of all the candidates running, the rest of the world would much prefer Obama to get in for a second term.
There's a reason Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize: it was to say thank you to America for at last no electing a foaming-at-the-mouth isolationist war-monger.
Well, quite, and this guy has a particularly terroristy name. /me ducks.
That's exactly right! Just ask Ursula Burns.
She's busy doing politics with Obama and friends telling young Americans to become scientists, engineers and mathematicians. At the same time, she's busy outsourcing her company's (Xerox) engineering work to India.
Not that I'm bitter and twisted, you understand...
Riiiight.... So how do they know that you're from the US in the first place to be able to let you back in if you don't have a passport?
I cut my teeth on the ZX81 when I was 8 years old, and I've still got it... I had a 1k ZX81 which later got upgraded to 16k with a "proper" keyboard. My dad mounted it on a wooden base and fixed the RAM pack to eliminate wobble.
By the time I was 9 I was a confident BASIC programmer, writing my own (very slow) games, and was learning Z80 machine code (note all you commodore people: the 6502 sucked in comparison).
When I was 10 I got a multi-tasking FORTH ROM. It was a replacement for the built-in Sinclair BASIC ROM and was 8k. It contained a Real Time multi-tasking threaded-compiled (as opposed to interpreted) FORTH system.
You can get a ZX81 emulator for *nix and the ROM image is out there somewhere. I downloaded a copy a year or two back. Google for "zx81 husband forth rom".
Some Sinclair staff who had worked on the ZX81 left to form their own company to make a computer called the Jupiter Ace, which was somewhere between a ZX81 and a Spectrum in terms of hardware (no colour, but high-res graphics and more RAM than the ZX81). The FORTH in that was more conventional.
Those were the days!
Turgid, I'm curious... where were working for Xerox? I was at the Wilsonville location...
I suppose it's OK to divulge now: WGC.
Where does Norm come into it? What has he done to deserve it?
What do you do now? Are you one of those who retired, took the voluntary, or got a new job elsewhere? I gather that some of the WV teams have lost 80% of their staff since the job market isn't too bad over there, but it's a different story in Rochester, NY.
Ursula and Wim must have thought we were stupid: cut the engineering budget, do a deal with an outsourcing company and then tell us we were going to get "extra help."
As one of my former colleagues said at the time, "HCL is not an Engineering Charity."
If you read back through my Slashdot journal you might get some clues as to which site I worked at :-)
Venusian Black Flappian
Thanks, I'm committing that one to memory.
This is the funniest discussion on the Interwebs in a long time. I haven't laughed this hard since I first watched Mr Hankey. That was a long time ago!
There is no free speech here. Everything has to be Left wing, Marxist, or you're sacked from your job.
Are you nuts? The UK has been right-wing since Maggie Thatcher took power in 1979.
Marxist? Everything has been privatised.
You can't even get a decent education any more without having to pay for it privately.
Free speech? You're allowed to say what you like as long as you don't incite violence or spout arbitrary hate... Oh wait... I see your problem with that.
Cretin.
Very nicely put.
Western workers have those too, it's just that, since we're not starving to death we're not willing to work 80 hour weeks for a pittance and accept orders unquestioningly.
We like to have a decent standard of living, to work on interesting things, to have our expert scientific and engineering judgment respected by our managers, to take pride in our work, to make quality products that people want to buy and to be able to learn and grow.
FTFA: A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the companyâ(TM)s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames.
I have a wife, a son and a life. You will not catch me living in a company dormitory at some PHB's beck and call 24hours a day just to be able to make some VP in the USA another bonus this quarter. These Chinese people are only doing this because they have to, for now. In a few more years as their standard of living goes up, and they realise how badly they are being exploited, it will stop.
I've just left HCL having been transferred there from Xerox last year as part of a global outsourcing deal where Ursula, Wim and Mark did a "partnership" with HCL to "leverage" there huge global talent pool or something. 600 out of the 3600 permanent engineers were transferred (the rest may follow soon). We were told it wasn't about outsourcing and that we'd have thousands of extra motivated and empowered people to help us accelerate the delivery of our projects, so we all went home and put our updated CVs on the job boards.
It was just as well, because what really happened was that much of the existing work was taken away to us with very little time and resource being put into Knowledge Transfer. Lo and behold, these "passionate and empowered" super-humans from the sub-continent are struggling to deliver anything.
The outsourcing companies run on this hubris-fueled delusion that they sell to western CEOs that western staff are fat, lazy and stupid and that their staff are intelligent and "motivated." What they actually do is to employ vast armies of fresh graduates (with absolutely no professional experience) at rock-bottom salaries and ship a few them over for a few months at a time (as long as they can get away with on the cheapest work permit) to "acquire knowledge." Of course, these poor young people are under enormous pressure to take on years of knowledge in a few weeks. Then they often go back to India (or wherever) with that knowledge and get put on a different project. The original project gets shipped offshore and work stops because no one knows how to do it.
This is why outsourcing to places like India gets a bad name: the Indians (or wherever) aren't stupid or lazy, they're just young, inexperienced and being badly exploited. 25-year-old guys are being given the work of mature teams with decades of experience.
It is also able to cloud data across multiple volumes on different machines
Whatever next?
I know this is off-topic, but how a forward pointed exhaust works?
Badly, like everything else that Renault ever made?
They managed to stop making cars that rust away to nothing in under 12 months in recent years so they have to have something to make up for it. I believe the original Clios used to drown if you drove them through a puddle.
When I were a lad watching Formula One, my dad always used to say that Renault had to put a turbo charger on Renee Arnoux's car to give it some sort of chance of getting over the finishing line before it fell to bits.
Those were the days.
This is further proof of the existence of ancient alien astronauts. They came to Earth and taught us pottery using the same level of technology employed in the heat shields of their flying saucers.
You heard it here first: ancient pottery is derived from alien heatshield technology.
Do you work for HCL, by any chance?
He just wanted to build rockets. His line of reasoning was morally dubious though. I'm not sure he was really interested in the Nazis winning the war. I think his idea was that if he kind of went along with it and made these not-very-useful weapons, it would kill fewer people than if he were forced to work on something else.
Yes, I know about the slave labour. I'm not trying to justify what he did or make excuses. I just think that he was far more interested in developing rockets than killing people or Nazi Germany taking over the world.
the V1-V2 were so bad you needed a city the size of London as a target to be able to hit anything;
That was more to do with the very primitive inertial and radio guidance of the time, not the rockets, as such. The rockets were very reliable.
Von Braun knew that they were very ineffective weapons for these reasons, and he didn't try very hard to improve those aspects.