Honestly, I don't care too much about the kernel. I would however love to see open standards for NextStep/Cocoa, and then maybe more people would use it. It is really nice, but Jobs can't have his cake and eat it too.
Sounds like a case of Sour Grapes from the UK Establishment.
Tony Blair and his Cronies are best buddies with Chairman Bill and Steve from Microsoft. In fact, there have been notable large Public Sector contracts in the UK where Microsoft has given huge discounts to get the customer (funded by the UK tax payer) locked in.
It must be much to the chagrin of these PHBs and ignorant politicians to have to acknowledge that there exist cheaper, free-as-in-speech, open alternatives.
The "free-as-in-speech" and "open" parts are doubly painful to the Blair Administration, while they do everything possible to take away our democracy.
There was a book on ZX80/81 machine code by Toni Baker that had a program to do just this thing. It was called "Cathy's Program" and I have a photocopy of the listing somewhere...
It is an open standard supported by all of the major OSes and manufacturers and is the filesystem of choise for Ultra Density Optical WORM and rewritable disks.
There a drivers for Linux, Windows and all of the major UNIXes. Here is the obligatory Wikipedia entry.
Hard disk filesystems like XFS, JFS, Reiser, ZFS etc. are all wonderful at what they do but they are unsuitable for WORM disks.
They appreciate the subjecture nature of the arts and humanities, not to mention it automatically suits their political outlook
*sigh*
Yes. One can argue the toss regarding art, literature and humanities and therefore, dare I say it, make it up as you go along to suit your argument du jour.
Science requires knowledge, comprehension and insight. Science may not be debated in such ad-hoc and informal ways...
This is dangerous. These liberal arts-educated politicians can't handle scientific (empirical, fact-based and rational) evidence. Look at the mess we're in.
We're about to sell Westinghouse (bought by BNFL back when I worked for them) just as the world is poised on developing a new generation of nulcear reactors.
We have the world's most advanced nuclear fusion reactor...
People during those times were depressed too, they just used alcohol (that's what most medicines were then anyway)
Heh! And the "alcohol" was better in those days, too. Beer was regulary >15% by volume (cf 4-5% today) and other drinks contained opiates, in the form of morphine.
Large parts of Victorian Britain were designed under the influence of alcohol and opium mixtures.
In recent years, among "intellectual circles," there's been a fashionable aversion to matters scientific and technical. I think things are changing (Melvin Brag, we love you.)
You'd hear the nervous faux-embarrassed laughter when mentioning matters scientific and technological, but these same people would wax lyrical about history, philosopy and literature until the cows came home.
And don't get me started on those apologetic to political and religious dogma...
There's nothing special about the chav "movement" of today. It's much like the punks of the late 1970s. They wear different clothes, but the attitude is still the same.
Chavs are nothing like the punks of the late 1970s.
The punks were politically-motivated and rebelling against the Establishment, and even the establishment in popular culture.
Chavs are just brain-dead zombies. They're apathetic, ignorant, uneducated, and wouldn't know what Politics were if the Sun or News of the World attempted to explain to them. As for culture, they're at the forefront of the establishment of pop culture. Just look at BBC Top of The Pops. Those orange whingers in the top 10 are just what your average(sic) chav is "in to."
Actually, they optimized for 32-bit protected mode performance at the expense of real-mode performance.
So? What the hell has that got to do with SMP servers? RISC chips had been "optimised for 32-bit" for a decade already, and most had long movedo on to 64-bit.
It hurt them because there was still a lot of real-mode software being used, but they were fine for UNIXes and NT.
They sucked and still do for Unix on SMP boxen.
In a previous life, I used to build software (many gigabytes daily) on 64-bit SMP RISC and 32-bit intel Xeon boxes. The cheap (and hot and unreliable) 4-way 1.9GHz Pentium IV Xeon Dell boxes were fast with one user, compared to the 64-bit RISC boxen.
Put 2 users on, and the Dell boxes sucked.
Then along came the 4-way Opteron box, with a lower clock frequency than the PIV Xeon, but NUMA architecture and twice as many registers, and it was faster with 1 user and scaled linearly with many users.
The 4-way Dell Pentium IV Xeon was shown up for the pocket money toy that it was. Oh, and it broke too.
A more mature attitude will help you along in life.
Aw, shucks. Thanks for the tip, buddy.
and exaggerate the awesomeness of the competition
I don't exaggerate the competition. You young 'uns forget how truly dreadful the IBM compatible PCs of yesteryear were. They had to be to be compatible, since software was written far closer to the bare metal back then.
A PS/2 with OS/2 1.1 or better was a better machine than the ST, Macs, and RISC PCs/Archimedies' available at the same price points
Absolute drivel, hogwash and verbal faeces.
Did you ever write code on a 286 (or 8086 for that matter)?
By the time Athlon came out, everyone had already pretty much given up except Sun.
Yes, *sigh*. They all climbed aboard the itanic, which is still promising jam tomorrow.
Don't read too much into CPU spec scores. Yes, the PPro was impressive when it came out, but as with all x86 intel CPUs, the memory and I/O bandwidth was a problem. They were never intended for anything other than PeeCees. Sever and workstation applications were an afterthought, as anyone with any experience of SMP systems will tell you.
My dad wouldn't let me have anything that wasn't "PeeCee compatible" since that's what all businesses and Right Thinking Folk(TM) used, even if it was technically inferior.
I wasn't allowed an Amiga either (before the Archimedes came out)...
He's still stuck on Windows and curses it every time I speak to him.
I've been doing Linux and UNIX since 1995 (when I left home).
The 486 was a dog compared to a 30MHz SPARC, both in integer, and especially floating-point.
When the Pentium 100 came out, it was almost as fast as RISC processors that had come out 5 years previously.
Yes, in 1990, some people were buying PCs with 2MB RAM, but most people were still running machines with MSDOS with 1MB of RAM at most.
x86 processors finally caught up with RISC workstations when the AMD Althon came out. The Pentium III nearly caught up, but not quite. We're now into 1999. That's a good decade after ACE was formed.
Another half decade later, and Alpha is king in the form of AMD Opteron.
I have a 486 with Slackware on it. I can assure you it performs nothing like a RISC workstation, and it has 20MB of RAM and a 100MB hard disk.
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Honestly, I don't care too much about the kernel. I would however love to see open standards for NextStep/Cocoa, and then maybe more people would use it. It is really nice, but Jobs can't have his cake and eat it too.
You're a decade late
There's a free-as-in-speech implementation right here
Sounds like a case of Sour Grapes from the UK Establishment.
Tony Blair and his Cronies are best buddies with Chairman Bill and Steve from Microsoft. In fact, there have been notable large Public Sector contracts in the UK where Microsoft has given huge discounts to get the customer (funded by the UK tax payer) locked in.
It must be much to the chagrin of these PHBs and ignorant politicians to have to acknowledge that there exist cheaper, free-as-in-speech, open alternatives.
The "free-as-in-speech" and "open" parts are doubly painful to the Blair Administration, while they do everything possible to take away our democracy.
Who is holding a gun to your head?
Society already lends too much time to the religious zealots and their apologists.
You forgot Clitheroe. That would be four.
I long for a day when the human race has freed itself from these ancient superstitious belief systems. It's a long way off, maybe hundreds of years.
I fear, though, that it is human nature to want to believe and to have simple answers rather than to think for ones self.
There are those that yearn for eternal life that do not know what to do with themselves on a wet Sunday afternoon.
Who wants to spend eternity in the company of 144 000 Jehovas Witnesses?
There was a book on ZX80/81 machine code by Toni Baker that had a program to do just this thing. It was called "Cathy's Program" and I have a photocopy of the listing somewhere...
And I've still got mine, which I got when I was 8, with it's add-in multi-tasking(!!!) 8k FORTH ROM :-)
They get to smoke pot on the streets to celebrate the Queen's birthday.
What you're looking for is Universal Disk Format or UDF.
It is an open standard supported by all of the major OSes and manufacturers and is the filesystem of choise for Ultra Density Optical WORM and rewritable disks.
There a drivers for Linux, Windows and all of the major UNIXes. Here is the obligatory Wikipedia entry.
Hard disk filesystems like XFS, JFS, Reiser, ZFS etc. are all wonderful at what they do but they are unsuitable for WORM disks.
They appreciate the subjecture nature of the arts and humanities, not to mention it automatically suits their political outlook
*sigh*
Yes. One can argue the toss regarding art, literature and humanities and therefore, dare I say it, make it up as you go along to suit your argument du jour.
Science requires knowledge, comprehension and insight. Science may not be debated in such ad-hoc and informal ways...
This is dangerous. These liberal arts-educated politicians can't handle scientific (empirical, fact-based and rational) evidence. Look at the mess we're in.
The punk movement was 15 years before my time. "Chavs" are not part of a movement. They are chavs by default. They are the underclass, the proles.
I hear what you say, though.
You've touched another nerve.
We're about to sell Westinghouse (bought by BNFL back when I worked for them) just as the world is poised on developing a new generation of nulcear reactors.
We have the world's most advanced nuclear fusion reactor...
I meant Laudanum and it is opium, not morphine (morphine is a constituent or something).
People during those times were depressed too, they just used alcohol (that's what most medicines were then anyway)
Heh! And the "alcohol" was better in those days, too. Beer was regulary >15% by volume (cf 4-5% today) and other drinks contained opiates, in the form of morphine.
Large parts of Victorian Britain were designed under the influence of alcohol and opium mixtures.
You've touched a nerve there.
In recent years, among "intellectual circles," there's been a fashionable aversion to matters scientific and technical. I think things are changing (Melvin Brag, we love you.)
You'd hear the nervous faux-embarrassed laughter when mentioning matters scientific and technological, but these same people would wax lyrical about history, philosopy and literature until the cows came home.
And don't get me started on those apologetic to political and religious dogma...
Argh!
Quite.
There's nothing special about the chav "movement" of today. It's much like the punks of the late 1970s. They wear different clothes, but the attitude is still the same.
Chavs are nothing like the punks of the late 1970s.
The punks were politically-motivated and rebelling against the Establishment, and even the establishment in popular culture.
Chavs are just brain-dead zombies. They're apathetic, ignorant, uneducated, and wouldn't know what Politics were if the Sun or News of the World attempted to explain to them. As for culture, they're at the forefront of the establishment of pop culture. Just look at BBC Top of The Pops. Those orange whingers in the top 10 are just what your average(sic) chav is "in to."
What's wrong with hexdump -C?
Actually, they optimized for 32-bit protected mode performance at the expense of real-mode performance.
So? What the hell has that got to do with SMP servers? RISC chips had been "optimised for 32-bit" for a decade already, and most had long movedo on to 64-bit.
It hurt them because there was still a lot of real-mode software being used, but they were fine for UNIXes and NT.
They sucked and still do for Unix on SMP boxen.
In a previous life, I used to build software (many gigabytes daily) on 64-bit SMP RISC and 32-bit intel Xeon boxes. The cheap (and hot and unreliable) 4-way 1.9GHz Pentium IV Xeon Dell boxes were fast with one user, compared to the 64-bit RISC boxen.
Put 2 users on, and the Dell boxes sucked.
Then along came the 4-way Opteron box, with a lower clock frequency than the PIV Xeon, but NUMA architecture and twice as many registers, and it was faster with 1 user and scaled linearly with many users.
The 4-way Dell Pentium IV Xeon was shown up for the pocket money toy that it was. Oh, and it broke too.
A more mature attitude will help you along in life.
Aw, shucks. Thanks for the tip, buddy.
and exaggerate the awesomeness of the competition
I don't exaggerate the competition. You young 'uns forget how truly dreadful the IBM compatible PCs of yesteryear were. They had to be to be compatible, since software was written far closer to the bare metal back then.
A PS/2 with OS/2 1.1 or better was a better machine than the ST, Macs, and RISC PCs/Archimedies' available at the same price points
Absolute drivel, hogwash and verbal faeces.
Did you ever write code on a 286 (or 8086 for that matter)?
By the time Athlon came out, everyone had already pretty much given up except Sun.
Yes, *sigh*. They all climbed aboard the itanic, which is still promising jam tomorrow.
Don't read too much into CPU spec scores. Yes, the PPro was impressive when it came out, but as with all x86 intel CPUs, the memory and I/O bandwidth was a problem. They were never intended for anything other than PeeCees. Sever and workstation applications were an afterthought, as anyone with any experience of SMP systems will tell you.
If only the i860 had lived...
You can have your Slackware 486 machine. I got rid of mine long ago and wouldn't be bragging if I was still using one.
For some definition of "bragging."
Claiming that the Athlon was substantially better than the P3 is silly.
It was 40% faster at the same clock frequency and scaled linearly in SMP configurations. It had better memory throughput too. It cost less.
and NT driver development
You have my condolences.
The main problem x86 Solaris faces is providing driver support.
That problem is being addressed and started with the Solaris 10 project many years ago. Solaris 11^H^H Nevada will again be a vast improvement.
Solaris 10 x86 runs better than Linux on modern laptops. Solaris 10 rules.
My dad wouldn't let me have anything that wasn't "PeeCee compatible" since that's what all businesses and Right Thinking Folk(TM) used, even if it was technically inferior.
I wasn't allowed an Amiga either (before the Archimedes came out)...
He's still stuck on Windows and curses it every time I speak to him.
I've been doing Linux and UNIX since 1995 (when I left home).
The 486 was a dog compared to a 30MHz SPARC, both in integer, and especially floating-point.
When the Pentium 100 came out, it was almost as fast as RISC processors that had come out 5 years previously.
Yes, in 1990, some people were buying PCs with 2MB RAM, but most people were still running machines with MSDOS with 1MB of RAM at most.
x86 processors finally caught up with RISC workstations when the AMD Althon came out. The Pentium III nearly caught up, but not quite. We're now into 1999. That's a good decade after ACE was formed.
Another half decade later, and Alpha is king in the form of AMD Opteron.
I have a 486 with Slackware on it. I can assure you it performs nothing like a RISC workstation, and it has 20MB of RAM and a 100MB hard disk.