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OH thats right.... you dont have permission, driver, and graphics problems in Windoofs.
I can 1/2 agree with libraries problem. The other 1/2 thinks its not so much trouble to upgrade libraries. Especially since a majority of "new " Linux users pick a distro like Redsplat, Manjoke, or SuSE (I think SuSE is Ok), from which you can use rpms to install library updates(rpm -i package name). Thats not so hard is it.....
Before the comment is made...Yes Im hardcore Linux user..... Been doin the desktop thing for about 4 years. All servers at the office run Linux. I personally think great strides have been made to make Linux more desktop friendly. I run a Slackware (woot!!)Desktop at my office amongst all the windows clients. I do everything they do except MS Access. I can even do somethings they cant.....
I have been following this thread for about for days and have read a good many of the posts. Some of the comments have sysadmin and helpdesk mixed up (sit around adding user accounts!!). Others look like they chose syadmin because it was a way in to the latest(at the time) employment craze, and have rode it out so long now you are stuck and disgruntled. True, there are times I feel underappreciated but what profession doesnt?
Go to college if its important to you. But I do not think you need to go to college to be a good sysadmin, or a good developer, or a good network engineer blah blah..... Just remember, you gotta start somewhere. You arent going to graduate college or IT boot camp (ACK!!!!) and start making 70,000/per year in most if any places. Most booters and CS majors I talk with have the 60 - 70 K starting salary blurring their sense of reality, no doubt a side effect of NAS induced by uncontrolled doses of radio and television signals.
Another thing, I have read enough inferences to CS degrees here to cross my eyes and cause uncontrollable quantities of foam and saliva to fall from my mouth. CS is for, maybe developers(programmers)!@# There is more to syadmin than software. You gotta have a hardware background. I am in no way suggesting CE (Computer Engineering) is the way to go but it certainly is a better mold. If you dont know how your hardware works, or even if its working properly, you lack fundamental sysadmin skeelz. I used to work with a couple of admins who were CS graduates. All they did was sit around and write shell scripts, and VB crap (we were a Sun/Linux shop) but could do nothing for trend analysis w/ respect to hardware degradation.
Whatever happend to doing what you want because you love doing it... I make about the average salary for sysadmin in my geopraphic location which by the way is 20+K more than the average income in my state so the salary is not bad. I accept the hours, and the firemans hat when necessary. But for the most part my hours are 9am to 6pm. To overgeneralize by sayin that "sysadminig sux because of the long hours" and "developers get paid more than you" "or to "be a doctor so you make more money for the same on call hours" is a jaded and obscene diservice. You probably just dont like your job and are in the wrong line of work. IT isnt for everybody, and there for a while IT was attracting people just because it paid well. To those of you complaining about money and job hours, why dont you pick a profession that you love doing... not one that pays a certain amount.
I guess Im lucky in many ways.. I am getting paid to do what I love. I have a sincere passion for being a sysadmin.
The truely good Admins will be around for a long time. My advice for an aspiring Admin. Never stop learning and never pass the buck. Accept responsibility for your actions, and do not ever settle for "good enough" I promise you college cant teach you any of those things. There is no piece of paper in this world that compares to real experience.
Before I get flamed... lets see...been a sysadmin since 1995, yes Im married, 2kids, boat, my own home. I fish with my son every weekend. Love beer and football. I am a college graduate (sociology, and I only did it because its a personal goal of mine) So comments about geek with no life do not count.
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OH thats right.... you dont have permission, driver, and graphics problems in Windoofs. I can 1/2 agree with libraries problem. The other 1/2 thinks its not so much trouble to upgrade libraries. Especially since a majority of "new " Linux users pick a distro like Redsplat, Manjoke, or SuSE (I think SuSE is Ok), from which you can use rpms to install library updates(rpm -i package name). Thats not so hard is it.....
Before the comment is made...Yes Im hardcore Linux user..... Been doin the desktop thing for about 4 years. All servers at the office run Linux. I personally think great strides have been made to make Linux more desktop friendly. I run a Slackware (woot!!)Desktop at my office amongst all the windows clients. I do everything they do except MS Access. I can even do somethings they cant.....
Go to college if its important to you. But I do not think you need to go to college to be a good sysadmin, or a good developer, or a good network engineer blah blah..... Just remember, you gotta start somewhere. You arent going to graduate college or IT boot camp (ACK!!!!) and start making 70,000 /per year in most if any places. Most booters and CS majors I talk with have the 60 - 70 K starting salary blurring their sense of reality, no doubt a side effect of NAS induced by uncontrolled doses of radio and television signals.
Another thing, I have read enough inferences to CS degrees here to cross my eyes and cause uncontrollable quantities of foam and saliva to fall from my mouth. CS is for, maybe developers(programmers)!@# There is more to syadmin than software. You gotta have a hardware background. I am in no way suggesting CE (Computer Engineering) is the way to go but it certainly is a better mold. If you dont know how your hardware works, or even if its working properly, you lack fundamental sysadmin skeelz. I used to work with a couple of admins who were CS graduates. All they did was sit around and write shell scripts, and VB crap (we were a Sun/Linux shop) but could do nothing for trend analysis w/ respect to hardware degradation.
Whatever happend to doing what you want because you love doing it... I make about the average salary for sysadmin in my geopraphic location which by the way is 20+K more than the average income in my state so the salary is not bad. I accept the hours, and the firemans hat when necessary. But for the most part my hours are 9am to 6pm. To overgeneralize by sayin that "sysadminig sux because of the long hours" and "developers get paid more than you" "or to "be a doctor so you make more money for the same on call hours" is a jaded and obscene diservice. You probably just dont like your job and are in the wrong line of work. IT isnt for everybody, and there for a while IT was attracting people just because it paid well. To those of you complaining about money and job hours, why dont you pick a profession that you love doing... not one that pays a certain amount. I guess Im lucky in many ways.. I am getting paid to do what I love. I have a sincere passion for being a sysadmin.
The truely good Admins will be around for a long time. My advice for an aspiring Admin. Never stop learning and never pass the buck. Accept responsibility for your actions, and do not ever settle for "good enough" I promise you college cant teach you any of those things. There is no piece of paper in this world that compares to real experience.
Before I get flamed ... lets see.. .been a sysadmin since 1995, yes Im married, 2kids, boat, my own home. I fish with my son every weekend. Love beer and football. I am a college graduate (sociology, and I only did it because its a personal goal of mine) So comments about geek with no life do not count.
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