Employing people often costs much more money than a turnkey product. Aren't you aware of how Unions and other parasites grow on any slow moving entity, similar to the way barnacles grow on rocks? Adding more people quickly becomes a permanent burden on the budget.
We got rid of the dumb terminals over a decade ago. People who had to use them hated them. It's a centralized solution that causes failures to be big expensive crashes for every user.
Nearly every attempt to re-introduce dumb terminals, while it has great appeal to IT managers as it gives them significantly more power over how non-IT people (also known as revenue boosters, as opposed to revenue-sinks, which is what IT represents) perform their work.
It is common knowledge that costs are not cut with a switch to Open Source solutions. Costs are shifted from licensing to support, but net costs often do not fall. In many instances there is an initial cost increase due to conversion costs, training, etc.
We're hardware geeks. At least some of us. We like combining hand tuned hardware in the combinations that best suit our purposes. We don't buy complete sealed-case out-of-the-box systems from any vendor.
And some of us are just cheap mothers who upgrade our systems one component at a time. I have cases here that started out with 286 chips in them.
Why do I need 4 CD-R burning programs? Just give me the one that works the best, that's *all I care about* - and make sure it's labeled "CD Burner" so I don't have to decipher "gkdesbUISO."
I wasn't aware there were that many confusing choices. I have this nice program called XCDRoast that I installed (notice the fairly intuitive program name) that does it all. I wasn't even aware there were tons and tons of confusing alternatives. Maybe that's because XCDRoast works so well I didn't need to look.
I think it's common knowledge that the list of expensive stuff you need in between your mouse and the software to run OS X is considerable.
Further, most of it is single-sourced. And this in a world where most prudent businesses have whole sub-departments within purchasing whose job is to make sure they aren't boxed into single source vendors.
Well, Apple might some day release their OS to run on x86, but it would only be on Apple branded hardware with an x86 processor. That isn't as remote as people think, but they're NEVER going to open their OS up to clone hardware. The last time they tried that they nearly went out of business, and instead had to pull the rug out from under the cloners (putting the cloners out of business in some cases) to save the company.
If Apple releases OS X for x86 it won't run on your clone motherboard. That just isn't the Apple Way.
I have my folks here visiting right now from out of state. I decided to peek in and see what's cooking on Slashdot nonetheless.
Now, if I were to go in the other room and tell my folks that people were ranting and raving on a website about no being allowed to use the heat sink grease of their choice on a computer processor..... Well, regular down to earth real people just wouldn't understand.
When looked at that way, MS-DOS is not a "command-line" technology. It's just a program-loader. Any games enthusiast can tell you that MS-DOS is basically blown away and a whole new operating environment is loaded when a modern game (i.e. Quake) is played.
command.com is just another MS-DOS program running on your machine talking to the (rather feeble) kernel.
Elcomsoft, the firm where one of our little poster boys works, produces commercially available search tools specifically for harvesting email addresses out of webspace. I say 'commercially avaialble' because if people like them didn't produce said tools, only net savvy geeks who understand a little about nettiquete would have said abilities.
Thanks Dmitry. And keep defending folks like him, EFF.
There is no reason that UNIX gurus should not be embracing the best parts of OSX as a step in the right direction.
Well, with Apple's long history, i.e. as the arrogant look-n-feel litigant, there's the threat of a whole platoon of lawyers standing thar in the way....
What does that say about the 20 years of attempts to put a readily usable face on Unix,
It says just about the same thing as the example of Mussolini getting the trains to run on time does.
Please seperate Steve Jobs from Apple, BTW. As evidenced by the version of the NeXT OS now called MacOS 10, the best work that Apple has put their label on is the stuff that was NOT developed in the main labs at Apple Computer. That's a deadwood forest if there's one anywhere on earth.
Well, yeah. Xterms spin up durn fast. They just happen to be part of the default XFree86 binary build package.
Start loading in the layers and layers and layers of croft between you and the little bits of productive code in a big honking X app, and you start to recognize the problem.
It's cool that you remember an instance back in 1995 when the numbers tipped so that X came out ahead. Is that the most recent example you have on hand? Were there even mature Win95 drivers for that pariticular piece of video hardware that soon after Win95 release?
The startling thing is that the 'real work' he came up with is glorified slide projecter stuff.
Real work can consist of, among other things: Multimedia creation and editing. Engineering design and simulation. Document preparation. Hell, hook up some CNC machines and do REAL work with a computer.
So many people are stuck on a 'browser' mentality where their PC is just an expensive and complex box that makes that fancy-colored lightbulb flicker patterns. It's not surprising that they turn it into an either/or choice of whichever of the two easiest-to-install platforms that support a Web Brower is preferred.
Apart from that, it's really useful for first posting;-)
Which points out, as we already knew, that the most active and skillful trolls at Slashdot are the sort of insiders who'll pay cash dollars to get an edge for their First Post antics.
The same people hold some of the highest karma respected accounts here and the worst troll accounts.
Crapflooders are a totally different thing, of course. The trolls hate crapflooders more than anybody else. They fuck up the weed beds where the biggest gamefish to troll lurk.
The fact that Macs everywhere are now running a UNIX is delicious irony to anybody who has read the UNIX Hater's Handbook in the past.
Apple, mind you, spent hundreds of millions (billions?) of dollars in the early to mid nineties on initiatives to develop their much heralded Next Generation Mac Operating System all of which turned out to be pissing down a drain. That huge elite development team at Apple turned out to be a bunch of failures at coming up with a winning OS design.
Apple finally had to fall back on the NextOS, which was a reasonable re-working, an evolutionary extension, of the UNIX environment.
It's one HELL of a load of egg on the face of the Apple zealots and every technology journalist from the period of the mid 80's onward who wrote about Apple's development environment and corporate culture as a marvelous Engine Of Progress. Turns out all Apple has is some pretty GUI layering and fashion designers running the marketing and case design divisions of the company.
..even in Linux (I'm not going to talk about UNIX, because I don't give a flying fuck about proprietary crap like Slowlaris)...
Guess what? There is UNIX out there that isn't Solaris, AIX, or any other proprietary system. Quite a bit of it and it's pretty good, in the form of the various BSD variants.
Further, you didn't specify which of the numerous OSes based on the Linux kernal you were referring to. Every Linux out there theoretically uses the same 'ls' 'rm' software (usually GNU versions) but let's face it, each Linux distro has a userland coming from a slightly different code base. All with their own potential warts and bugs, etc.
The really disappointing thing is that people like you have to come along and say 'well, but look what WINDOWS does!!!' like the world is trapped in an either/or proposition.
It's not good that so many people treat Unix like a weapon in an anti-Microsoft holy war. That's just lame.
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Employing people often costs much more money than a turnkey product. Aren't you aware of how Unions and other parasites grow on any slow moving entity, similar to the way barnacles grow on rocks? Adding more people quickly becomes a permanent burden on the budget.
We got rid of the dumb terminals over a decade ago. People who had to use them hated them. It's a centralized solution that causes failures to be big expensive crashes for every user.
Nearly every attempt to re-introduce dumb terminals, while it has great appeal to IT managers as it gives them significantly more power over how non-IT people (also known as revenue boosters, as opposed to revenue-sinks, which is what IT represents) perform their work.
It is common knowledge that costs are not cut with a switch to Open Source solutions. Costs are shifted from licensing to support, but net costs often do not fall. In many instances there is an initial cost increase due to conversion costs, training, etc.
I've got a Windows workstation, a Linux server, and a Mac laptop on my desk.
Whoa! There must be about as much space on your desk to do real work as a post-it-note.
We're hardware geeks. At least some of us. We like combining hand tuned hardware in the combinations that best suit our purposes. We don't buy complete sealed-case out-of-the-box systems from any vendor.
And some of us are just cheap mothers who upgrade our systems one component at a time. I have cases here that started out with 286 chips in them.
I wasn't aware there were that many confusing choices. I have this nice program called XCDRoast that I installed (notice the fairly intuitive program name) that does it all. I wasn't even aware there were tons and tons of confusing alternatives. Maybe that's because XCDRoast works so well I didn't need to look.
Plug my mouse into an OS?
I think it's common knowledge that the list of expensive stuff you need in between your mouse and the software to run OS X is considerable.
Further, most of it is single-sourced. And this in a world where most prudent businesses have whole sub-departments within purchasing whose job is to make sure they aren't boxed into single source vendors.
Well, Apple might some day release their OS to run on x86, but it would only be on Apple branded hardware with an x86 processor. That isn't as remote as people think, but they're NEVER going to open their OS up to clone hardware. The last time they tried that they nearly went out of business, and instead had to pull the rug out from under the cloners (putting the cloners out of business in some cases) to save the company.
If Apple releases OS X for x86 it won't run on your clone motherboard. That just isn't the Apple Way.
I have my folks here visiting right now from out of state. I decided to peek in and see what's cooking on Slashdot nonetheless.
Now, if I were to go in the other room and tell my folks that people were ranting and raving on a website about no being allowed to use the heat sink grease of their choice on a computer processor..... Well, regular down to earth real people just wouldn't understand.
When looked at that way, MS-DOS is not a "command-line" technology. It's just a program-loader. Any games enthusiast can tell you that MS-DOS is basically blown away and a whole new operating environment is loaded when a modern game (i.e. Quake) is played.
command.com is just another MS-DOS program running on your machine talking to the (rather feeble) kernel.
Elcomsoft, the firm where one of our little poster boys works, produces commercially available search tools specifically for harvesting email addresses out of webspace. I say 'commercially avaialble' because if people like them didn't produce said tools, only net savvy geeks who understand a little about nettiquete would have said abilities.
Thanks Dmitry. And keep defending folks like him, EFF.
There is no reason that UNIX gurus should not be embracing the best parts of OSX as a step in the right direction.
Well, with Apple's long history, i.e. as the arrogant look-n-feel litigant, there's the threat of a whole platoon of lawyers standing thar in the way....
You didn't even mention any of the useful ones, i.e. Firewire.
Quicktime is a road block, used to keep undesirable OSes out of the content. You mentioned two that are dead already.
Well, three. Newton isn't going anywhere....
What does that say about the 20 years of attempts to put a readily usable face on Unix,
It says just about the same thing as the example of Mussolini getting the trains to run on time does.
Please seperate Steve Jobs from Apple, BTW. As evidenced by the version of the NeXT OS now called MacOS 10, the best work that Apple has put their label on is the stuff that was NOT developed in the main labs at Apple Computer. That's a deadwood forest if there's one anywhere on earth.
Well, yeah. Xterms spin up durn fast. They just happen to be part of the default XFree86 binary build package.
Start loading in the layers and layers and layers of croft between you and the little bits of productive code in a big honking X app, and you start to recognize the problem.
It's cool that you remember an instance back in 1995 when the numbers tipped so that X came out ahead. Is that the most recent example you have on hand? Were there even mature Win95 drivers for that pariticular piece of video hardware that soon after Win95 release?
The startling thing is that the 'real work' he came up with is glorified slide projecter stuff.
Real work can consist of, among other things: Multimedia creation and editing. Engineering design and simulation. Document preparation. Hell, hook up some CNC machines and do REAL work with a computer.
So many people are stuck on a 'browser' mentality where their PC is just an expensive and complex box that makes that fancy-colored lightbulb flicker patterns. It's not surprising that they turn it into an either/or choice of whichever of the two easiest-to-install platforms that support a Web Brower is preferred.
Is that because Windows Isn't Dying?
Apart from that, it's really useful for first posting ;-)
Which points out, as we already knew, that the most active and skillful trolls at Slashdot are the sort of insiders who'll pay cash dollars to get an edge for their First Post antics.
The same people hold some of the highest karma respected accounts here and the worst troll accounts.
Crapflooders are a totally different thing, of course. The trolls hate crapflooders more than anybody else. They fuck up the weed beds where the biggest gamefish to troll lurk.
Malda's got his homepage tweaked to block out all non-Anime or StarWars articles.
The fact that Macs everywhere are now running a UNIX is delicious irony to anybody who has read the UNIX Hater's Handbook in the past.
Apple, mind you, spent hundreds of millions (billions?) of dollars in the early to mid nineties on initiatives to develop their much heralded Next Generation Mac Operating System all of which turned out to be pissing down a drain. That huge elite development team at Apple turned out to be a bunch of failures at coming up with a winning OS design.
Apple finally had to fall back on the NextOS, which was a reasonable re-working, an evolutionary extension, of the UNIX environment.
It's one HELL of a load of egg on the face of the Apple zealots and every technology journalist from the period of the mid 80's onward who wrote about Apple's development environment and corporate culture as a marvelous Engine Of Progress. Turns out all Apple has is some pretty GUI layering and fashion designers running the marketing and case design divisions of the company.
That surely wouldn't stop the slashbots if it were a Microsoft product.
The followup article would be heralded as a coverup, and there'd be yet another rush on supermarkets worldwide for more rolls of tinfoil.
Guess what? There is UNIX out there that isn't Solaris, AIX, or any other proprietary system. Quite a bit of it and it's pretty good, in the form of the various BSD variants.
Further, you didn't specify which of the numerous OSes based on the Linux kernal you were referring to. Every Linux out there theoretically uses the same 'ls' 'rm' software (usually GNU versions) but let's face it, each Linux distro has a userland coming from a slightly different code base. All with their own potential warts and bugs, etc.
The really disappointing thing is that people like you have to come along and say 'well, but look what WINDOWS does!!!' like the world is trapped in an either/or proposition.
It's not good that so many people treat Unix like a weapon in an anti-Microsoft holy war. That's just lame.
All that pissing away of money wasn't just a feature of the dot.com boom and it's subsequent bust. It was also a significant factor in the bust.
I'm sorry. The salesmen had taken over, and their budgeting skills are meagre, at best.
Worse yet, nobody will notice they were gone, but someone important will notice that nobody noticed they were gone.