This sounds pretty cool. What if in twenty thousand years or something we develop through genetic engineering some way of building computers into our brain. No more pre-calc, its built in. From there, the possiblities are endless. Decide you want Wolverine claws, the processor in your brain assigns the cells in your forearms to start using adamantium (which you are taking supplements of) to build those claws. I realize this is more like, here's a new way of building circuits, but its kind of a Gibson-esque way of implementing cool tech into our bodies.
Thats helpful for other programmers, but not much of an arguement to the higher ups to release something already written.
The question is a little vague in explaining why anyone would want to work on this project, while at the same time not saying why it won't hurt to release it.
It probably took a bit of effort / man hours to write, and its going to take more to establish as open source as per described in the question. Without sounding adverserial, what exactly is the benefit of releasing the code to the company that already wrote it?
Who wants to work on something open source, if it is not depended on by the company releasing it?
I'm having a hard time saying it, but something here doesn't add up.
I'm actually pretty surprised that this got moderated up.
Theres just a strong sentiment of cynicism on hear today. There'd probably be as many negative comments if it was "Microsoft decides to scrap SkyServer project". If you don't like the idea, don't go to it, but personally, I'm glad that it will be up there. One more cool thing (even if it doesn't provide a lot of functionality for me) on the net.
As far as bandwidth, did anyone notice a significant slowdown after terraserver opened? If there's too much traffic, it'll slow down, and fewer people will go to it. Its like an economics problem.
If MS does get split up, forget the apps, forget the OS, give me MS SQL Server. They're clever enough to show off their product with Terra and Sky server. Plus, SQL Server 7 is top notch. Bottom line.
Well someone has to answer this, right? Functional languages have an advantage in correctness: Its my experience that they're easier to prove correct. I don't know if a haskell algorithm is faster than the c++ one, its probably all in the compiler, and most of the ML compilers I've worked with seem quite a bit younger than c compilers, so they probably haven't been tweeked as much, and consequently, they're not necessarily faster. (But if you think speed is everything, than you're missing the point, I guess)... I think the reason they're in the contest is because its sponsored by a functional programming group (ICFP). I don't imagine there's much difference in speed in a good tail recursive function versus iterative. Someone told me (right before I took a class in ML) that if your ML program compiled, and you knew a little of what you were doing, it was going to be right. Forget all the bug testing and memory leaks, not an issue. Well, I failed that class... but anyway, I still like functional programming, and recursion and induction seem pretty cool.
With all that in mind, I think in some ways you and I, here, where we can benefit from everyone else's work for free, and with the ability to give freely back to those around us, have it better than bill with his stacks of money, paranoid friends and enemies, and life of coldness and business.
Kind of reminds me of Mr. Burns on the Simpsons. Depressed about the bleak world, and then he'll have a money fight with Mr. Smithers.
Different strokes for different folks, would you rather have the freedom of the open source irc'ing mentioned above, or the 13 Ferrari F50's, leer jet, McLaren F1 and etc. Kind of makes you wonder where the real value of things.
Crystal Quest (I think) was one game for the Mac that still ranks among my all time favorites. You had to maneuver a spaceship around a screen with the mouse (not as easy as it sounds), picking up crystals, shooting at sprites that made really cool sound effects. Anyone know if that game is still available anywhere? I think it was shareware. Ahh, for a Linux version.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY OF YOU HOT STUDS AND LUCIOUS BABES OUT THERE, BUT I DO HAVE CHILDREN, AND I'VE SEEN WHAT PORNOGRAPHY DOES TO KIDS.
Hey, I experienced it first hand, so if you're going to tell me I'm degenerate because I was watching the playboy channel when I was 8 years old, save your breath.
And geez, did you ever go to a library? Did you see a bunch of young kids there, who weren't there with their parents? 9 out of 10 kids don't want to go to the library, and the other one isn't going to care about porn anyway. "Let's hang out at the library after school and look at porn!"
OK. You Defenders can start sending me your hate mail now. Just remember that I don't give a rat's a$$ about your opinion unless you've had children of your own.
If it weren't for the endearing nature of your post, the rat's a$$ would have been spared on you, be sure.
Yes, referring to an old far side comic: So Einstein, your larger cranium may make you better at physics, but it also makes it trivially easy to subdue you with a headlock!
And also, I know the State Department keeps the Cray 2's under control (i.e., you need some clearence to get one), so would Pakistan or Iraq just opt for 1000 Linux machines ("the mother of all beowulf's), probably coming in around a cool million. Would such a cluster be close to such super computers? Would the State Department start stepping in? Food for thought.
The complaints seem kind of short-sighted. People have to realize the odds against finding intelligent life through this project are pretty long, so these people are crying because they've lost a couple months of work? Sure, maybe over the last three months the mothership has been transmiting messages about a utopian society, but transmissions will likely continue. If these people wanted to do it in the first place, they should cut such an ambitious project some slack. And 8 tons of fossil fuel a day? Like all those people would have otherwise turned off their computers. Waiting patiently for contact, Mike
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This sounds pretty cool. What if in twenty thousand years or something we develop through genetic engineering some way of building computers into our brain.
No more pre-calc, its built in. From there, the possiblities are endless. Decide you want Wolverine claws, the processor in your brain assigns the cells in your forearms to start using adamantium (which you are taking supplements of) to build those claws.
I realize this is more like, here's a new way of building circuits, but its kind of a Gibson-esque way of implementing cool tech into our bodies.
Thats helpful for other programmers, but not much of an arguement to the higher ups to release something already written.
The question is a little vague in explaining why anyone would want to work on this project, while at the same time not saying why it won't hurt to release it.
It probably took a bit of effort / man hours to write, and its going to take more to establish as open source as per described in the question. Without sounding adverserial, what exactly is the benefit of releasing the code to the company that already wrote it?
Who wants to work on something open source, if it is not depended on by the company releasing it?
I'm having a hard time saying it, but something here doesn't add up.
I'm actually pretty surprised that this got moderated up.
Theres just a strong sentiment of cynicism on hear today. There'd probably be as many negative comments if it was "Microsoft decides to scrap SkyServer project". If you don't like the idea, don't go to it, but personally, I'm glad that it will be up there. One more cool thing (even if it doesn't provide a lot of functionality for me) on the net.
As far as bandwidth, did anyone notice a significant slowdown after terraserver opened? If there's too much traffic, it'll slow down, and fewer people will go to it. Its like an economics problem.
If MS does get split up, forget the apps, forget the OS, give me MS SQL Server. They're clever enough to show off their product with Terra and Sky server. Plus, SQL Server 7 is top notch. Bottom line.
Well someone has to answer this, right?
Functional languages have an advantage in correctness: Its my experience that they're easier to prove correct. I don't know if a haskell algorithm is faster than the c++ one, its probably all in the compiler, and most of the ML compilers I've worked with seem quite a bit younger than c compilers, so they probably haven't been tweeked as much, and consequently, they're not necessarily faster. (But if you think speed is everything, than you're missing the point, I guess)...
I think the reason they're in the contest is because its sponsored by a functional programming group (ICFP).
I don't imagine there's much difference in speed in a good tail recursive function versus iterative.
Someone told me (right before I took a class in ML) that if your ML program compiled, and you knew a little of what you were doing, it was going to be right. Forget all the bug testing and memory leaks, not an issue. Well, I failed that class... but anyway, I still like functional programming, and recursion and induction seem pretty cool.
Kind of reminds me of Mr. Burns on the Simpsons. Depressed about the bleak world, and then he'll have a money fight with Mr. Smithers.
Different strokes for different folks, would you rather have the freedom of the open source irc'ing mentioned above, or the 13 Ferrari F50's, leer jet, McLaren F1 and etc.
Kind of makes you wonder where the real value of things.
Crystal Quest (I think) was one game for the Mac
that still ranks among my all time favorites.
You had to maneuver a spaceship around a screen with the mouse (not as easy as it sounds), picking up crystals, shooting at sprites that made really cool sound effects.
Anyone know if that game is still available anywhere? I think it was shareware. Ahh, for a Linux version.
"Woaa Ted, that's your Mom dude, I mean,
I am your father, Luke".
Rufus from Bill and Ted's shows up, schools Palpatine on the guitar...
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY OF YOU HOT STUDS AND LUCIOUS BABES OUT THERE, BUT I DO HAVE CHILDREN, AND I'VE SEEN WHAT PORNOGRAPHY DOES TO KIDS.
Hey, I experienced it first hand, so if you're going to tell me I'm degenerate because I was watching the playboy channel when I was 8 years old, save your breath.
And geez, did you ever go to a library? Did you see a bunch of young kids there, who weren't there with their parents? 9 out of 10 kids don't want to go to the library, and the other one isn't going to care about porn anyway.
"Let's hang out at the library after school and look at porn!"
OK. You Defenders can start sending me your hate mail now. Just remember that I don't give a rat's a$$ about your opinion unless you've had children of your own.
If it weren't for the endearing nature of your post, the rat's a$$ would have been spared on you, be sure.
Yes, referring to an old far side comic:
So Einstein, your larger cranium may make you better at physics, but it also makes it trivially easy to subdue you with a headlock!
And also, I know the State Department keeps the Cray 2's under control (i.e., you need some clearence to get one), so would Pakistan or Iraq just opt for 1000 Linux machines ("the mother of all beowulf's), probably coming in around a cool million.
Would such a cluster be close to such super computers? Would the State Department start stepping in?
Food for thought.
The complaints seem kind of short-sighted.
People have to realize the odds against finding intelligent life through this project are pretty long, so these people are crying because they've lost a couple months of work?
Sure, maybe over the last three months the mothership has been transmiting messages about a utopian society, but transmissions will likely continue. If these people wanted to do it in the first place, they should cut such an ambitious project some slack.
And 8 tons of fossil fuel a day? Like all those people would have otherwise turned off their computers.
Waiting patiently for contact,
Mike