> Sounds to me like you were advocating that we scrap the current system and do away with money altogether.
You're getting your posters mixed up - I was responding to utopian local farming post and while I agree with that direction I wonder how to add value short term, say 25 years. Big Quick Solutions usually turn out bad - though I'd argue for FDR and any further commentary on my part is usually sectarian flamebait. Incremental change in, hopefully, the right direction gives much better odds (IMHO)
For the record I doubt cash is going anywhere for a long time. Well, The Euro and RMB at least. But that's not to say the despecialization in the workforce, long overdue, won't change moneys relation (hey, it's value) to overall standard of living.
A friend predicted, was not advocating, that poisoning would be the labels great defense back in the 90s.
While I read the article quick and late he was specifically mentioning Grateful Dead live tapes. Perhaps it's too obscure but counterfeiting a Dead live tape is a strange concept to me.
> We don't need big farming, either. (Nothing sucks the nutrition out of a crop faster than mass producing it.) We can actually produce sufficient food if we produce it locally, in most places. If we can keep unrestrained communication networks, we can produce our own food in the morning, be doctors, scientists, artisans, technicians, teachers, etc., in the afternoon, and philosophers in the evenings.
Sure I agree but I'm curious how you think that applies in the short, say Ah, the quintessential communal system. Of course, one only has to go back to the sixties to see how many of those utopian societies survived.
Wrote the man on a networked computer. What exactly does BSD stand for? Just asking.
If you degrade the concept of barter by making absolute or by assuming it means Bolshevik of course it doesn't work. If you decide free market means society has no control over the flow of wealth then your bridges don't get fixed and your air is filthy. I advocate an Evolution, as Revolution tends toward a full circle and a clique ends up on top.
> And if you mean the industry, well think of how the icemen felt when the refrigerator was invented?
Sure or the hat makers when people stopped wearing hats. There is actually more money around for, especially, the low end artists in music at least, but the industry as a whole, I mean media not just music, is losing value (if you measure that in cash) and less value = less jobs.
Do people actually make imitation Grateful Dead live tapes? Some bar band (or Phish?!?) and claim it's the Dead? The mind boggles.
All of the points make sense but he doesn't address that, while he is describing value, it many cases it is valued much less measured in dollars (OK, Euros) than previous, say 20th century, media value. Sure you'll pay for the immediate delivery, I do with iTunes, but I almost never buy the whole album/disk/collection. Personalization is fine in the future but where is the great employment engine in the here and now? While media is worth a lot less money, real estate, food and energy will only continue to rise. Can 21st century media provide anywhere near the level of employment that 20 century media did? That sure is a lot of adsense.
Ron Paul's campaign is a symptom of the same foolishness that was Nader 2000, the idea that politics isn't local, that all you need is a trendy / genius / misguided / radical / (insert opinion) platform or platforms and one candidate can run for the highest office in the land and Change Everything. Ron Paul doesn't have a party. As far as I can tell he's not a Republican (I mean that as a compliment and I did RTFA), says he isn't a Libertarian (and exactly how many Libertarian state governors are there? Just curious). He's running for the Republican party he wants not the Republican party which exists which is like being a Muslim feminist. Or, for that matter, many of the Ron Paul internetters who seem to be supporting the Ron Paul they want, not the Ron Paul they have.
So all you Ron Paul-ites / Naderites / Greens / whatevers. Get some mayors elected first, some governors, take over a few states. (and yes the Greens do have some elected officials). Making bold/bizarre speeches about the gold standard or keeping government out of environmental regulation (what? we settle it with guns?) is very entertaining, but it doesn't get the trash picked up, the schools financed, the roads fixed.
That said, he was/is far and away the most intelligent of the Republicans and in a better world not wanting to slaughter Muslims wouldn't be a deal breaker and the Republican party would actually be the party of small government. A Paul VS Obama debate on social welfare would be very interesting.
Instead we get Hillary 'corporate welfare' Clinton VS John 'kill kill kill' McCain. Or maybe Obama decides to play the substance card.
"Everybody's in show biz, everyone's a star..." We're all on stage looking at each other, the paid seats are getting emptier. (is that like the blogosphere?)
Increasingly all the people interested in music actually make and play music as opposed to being purely consumers. This is probably good, was inevitable, and makes it harder and harder to stand out. Technology has made music much easier to make: tuners, protools, midi whatever - this is the (middle of?) the age of sound sculpture. The sound of lab rats digitally manipulating sound with no deadlines.
The best way to monetize music in the future will be playing live and getting a piece of the door and beer. Hopefully there will be at least a few crews/bands/orchestras that can make enough of an event to work full time and also maintain an artistic impulse.
Without the industry there's no money for the lawyers: ('...choak... you're letting down the lawyers man...') and radically less money for publicists, roadies, engineers, soundmen, (web)designers. There's some money for the players, but not compared to the seemingly infinite supply of singer songwriter indie rock rapper college jazz graduates. It's gonna be like sports. Lots of people play basketball. Only the very best get paid much money for it.
While I shed no tears for the major labels, I roll my eyes in advance at the incoming 'if they made good music the sales wouldn't be down' posts. All art forms are a function of their time (with apologies to Camille Pissaro) - The popular music of the 20th century was very good and deep and is available for free or cheap forever. The popular music of the 21st century hasn't started yet and will probably stay in the background of the Zeitgeist.
The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.
Your lips were like a red and ruby chalice, warmer than the summer night The clouds were like an alabaster palace rising to a snowy height. Each star its own aurora borealis, suddenly you held me tight I could see the Midnight Sun.
I can't explain the silver rain that found me--or was that a moonlit veil? The music of the universe around me, or was that a nightingale? And then your arms miraculously found me,suddenly the sky turned pale, I could see the Midnight Sun.
Was there such a night, it's a thrill I still don't quite believe, But after you were gone, there was still some stardust on my sleeve.
The flame of it may dwindle to an ember, and the stars forget to shine, And we may see the meadow in December, icy white and crystalline, But oh my darling always I'll remember when your lips were close to mine, And we saw the Midnight Sun.
"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."
"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action"
"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal"
"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."
"We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
"Those who seek a pro-life culture must accept that we will never persuade all 300 million Americans to agree with us. A pro-life culture can be built only from the ground up, person by person. For too long we have viewed the battle as purely political, but no political victory can change a degraded society."
"The people of Texas do not need federal regulators determining our air standards."
"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion."
When asked about presenting 'alternatives to evolution' in the classroom, Paul responded 'yes'.
To sum it up: Racist, anti-choice, Christian right, pro intelligent design in schools, against environmental regulation (at a federal level, granted) Sounds like a good Republican to me.
This is they guy who will sue your ass off if you try and make a documentary about Kiss cover bands. Luckily I don't know enough Kiss to fit 'sue' into a song title. Slow news night, I guess.
A spot hasn't been picked. Cakeshop has the same comedy crews at the end of happy hour. I'm leaning towards Hopscotch as it's a shorter trip with two cases of XL t shirts. But no booze. If anyone has an opinion post away or else I'll ask the venue and set something up for Friday evening.
> I find myself wondering how many times those engineers changed nothing and ended up having a laugh.
We used to call that the 'awesomizer' - an out of line board eq that you turned or even rode during a mix to keep the artist confused. Did nothing, looked important. Better still is busting the engineer when they try that. Tell them to take it out of line and when nothing happens grin at them. They don't do it after that.
If you can't hear eqs during mastering, what are you doing there?
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yeah but the Dead ... live? On a p2p? Too weird.
Makes me want to fire up the protools and hack out a 'recently discovered' Mountain Jam with Duane dueling with, let's say, Stevie Wonder.
OK, I'm off topic now. I'll stop.
Support your local hat maker. Oh, wait ...
Support Chinese hat makers, or rather Chinese industrial hat factories.
Hey, maybe that is local. Ni Hao!
> Sounds to me like you were advocating that we scrap the current system and do away with money altogether.
You're getting your posters mixed up - I was responding to utopian local farming post and while I agree with that direction I wonder how to add value short term, say 25 years. Big Quick Solutions usually turn out bad - though I'd argue for FDR and any further commentary on my part is usually sectarian flamebait. Incremental change in, hopefully, the right direction gives much better odds (IMHO)
For the record I doubt cash is going anywhere for a long time. Well, The Euro and RMB at least. But that's not to say the despecialization in the workforce, long overdue, won't change moneys relation (hey, it's value) to overall standard of living.
> A lot of files on P2P networks are mislabeled.
A friend predicted, was not advocating, that poisoning would be the labels great defense back in the 90s.
While I read the article quick and late he was specifically mentioning Grateful Dead live tapes. Perhaps it's too obscure but counterfeiting a Dead live tape is a strange concept to me.
> We don't need big farming, either. (Nothing sucks the nutrition out of a crop faster than mass producing it.) We can actually produce sufficient food if we produce it locally, in most places. If we can keep unrestrained communication networks, we can produce our own food in the morning, be doctors, scientists, artisans, technicians, teachers, etc., in the afternoon, and philosophers in the evenings.
Sure I agree but I'm curious how you think that applies in the short, say Ah, the quintessential communal system. Of course, one only has to go back to the sixties to see how many of those utopian societies survived.
Wrote the man on a networked computer. What exactly does BSD stand for? Just asking.
If you degrade the concept of barter by making absolute or by assuming it means Bolshevik of course it doesn't work. If you decide free market means society has no control over the flow of wealth then your bridges don't get fixed and your air is filthy. I advocate an Evolution, as Revolution tends toward a full circle and a clique ends up on top.
> And if you mean the industry, well think of how the icemen felt when the refrigerator was invented?
Sure or the hat makers when people stopped wearing hats. There is actually more money around for, especially, the low end artists in music at least, but the industry as a whole, I mean media not just music, is losing value (if you measure that in cash) and less value = less jobs.
Do people actually make imitation Grateful Dead live tapes? Some bar band (or Phish?!?) and claim it's the Dead? The mind boggles.
All of the points make sense but he doesn't address that, while he is describing value, it many cases it is valued much less measured in dollars (OK, Euros) than previous, say 20th century, media value. Sure you'll pay for the immediate delivery, I do with iTunes, but I almost never buy the whole album/disk/collection. Personalization is fine in the future but where is the great employment engine in the here and now? While media is worth a lot less money, real estate, food and energy will only continue to rise. Can 21st century media provide anywhere near the level of employment that 20 century media did? That sure is a lot of adsense.
Ron Paul's campaign is a symptom of the same foolishness that was Nader 2000, the idea that politics isn't local, that all you need is a trendy / genius / misguided / radical / (insert opinion) platform or platforms and one candidate can run for the highest office in the land and Change Everything. Ron Paul doesn't have a party. As far as I can tell he's not a Republican (I mean that as a compliment and I did RTFA), says he isn't a Libertarian (and exactly how many Libertarian state governors are there? Just curious). He's running for the Republican party he wants not the Republican party which exists which is like being a Muslim feminist. Or, for that matter, many of the Ron Paul internetters who seem to be supporting the Ron Paul they want, not the Ron Paul they have.
So all you Ron Paul-ites / Naderites / Greens / whatevers. Get some mayors elected first, some governors, take over a few states. (and yes the Greens do have some elected officials). Making bold/bizarre speeches about the gold standard or keeping government out of environmental regulation (what? we settle it with guns?) is very entertaining, but it doesn't get the trash picked up, the schools financed, the roads fixed.
That said, he was/is far and away the most intelligent of the Republicans and in a better world not wanting to slaughter Muslims wouldn't be a deal breaker and the Republican party would actually be the party of small government. A Paul VS Obama debate on social welfare would be very interesting.
Instead we get Hillary 'corporate welfare' Clinton VS John 'kill kill kill' McCain. Or maybe Obama decides to play the substance card.
Good Work! I haven't had mod points since the Clinton administration but you get my vote!
...) What's the best song parody site? Too lazy to look but something with a ... cough ... digg like system would be good.
Entirely off topic (or is it?
"Everybody's in show biz, everyone's a star ..." We're all on stage looking at each other, the paid seats are getting emptier. (is that like the blogosphere?)
... you're letting down the lawyers man ...')
Increasingly all the people interested in music actually make and play music as opposed to being purely consumers. This is probably good, was inevitable, and makes it harder and harder to stand out. Technology has made music much easier to make: tuners, protools, midi whatever - this is the (middle of?) the age of sound sculpture. The sound of lab rats digitally manipulating sound with no deadlines.
The best way to monetize music in the future will be playing live and getting a piece of the door and beer. Hopefully there will be at least a few crews/bands/orchestras that can make enough of an event to work full time and also maintain an artistic impulse.
Without the industry there's no money for the lawyers:
('...choak
and radically less money for publicists, roadies, engineers, soundmen, (web)designers. There's some money for the players, but not compared to the seemingly infinite supply of singer songwriter indie rock rapper college jazz graduates.
It's gonna be like sports. Lots of people play basketball. Only the very best get paid much money for it.
While I shed no tears for the major labels, I roll my eyes in advance at the incoming 'if they made good music the sales wouldn't be down' posts. All art forms are a function of their time (with apologies to Camille Pissaro) - The popular music of the 20th century was very good and deep and is available for free or cheap forever. The popular music of the 21st century hasn't started yet and will probably stay in the background of the Zeitgeist.
It's longer but that would have been so cool.
Or if the gap lasted until January 22, 2005.
The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.
Your lips were like a red and ruby chalice, warmer than the summer night
The clouds were like an alabaster palace rising to a snowy height.
Each star its own aurora borealis, suddenly you held me tight
I could see the Midnight Sun.
I can't explain the silver rain that found me--or was that a moonlit veil?
The music of the universe around me, or was that a nightingale?
And then your arms miraculously found me,suddenly the sky turned pale,
I could see the Midnight Sun.
Was there such a night, it's a thrill I still don't quite believe,
But after you were gone, there was still some stardust on my sleeve.
The flame of it may dwindle to an ember, and the stars forget to shine,
And we may see the meadow in December, icy white and crystalline,
But oh my darling always I'll remember when your lips were close to mine,
And we saw the Midnight Sun.
I'd take that class. Have Frank bring some models.
Or the words of his campaign staff ...
"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."
"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action"
"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal"
"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."
"We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
"Those who seek a pro-life culture must accept that we will never persuade all 300 million Americans to agree with us. A pro-life culture can be built only from the ground up, person by person. For too long we have viewed the battle as purely political, but no political victory can change a degraded society."
"The people of Texas do not need federal regulators determining our air standards."
"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion."
When asked about presenting 'alternatives to evolution' in the classroom, Paul responded 'yes'.
To sum it up: Racist, anti-choice, Christian right, pro intelligent design in schools, against environmental regulation (at a federal level, granted)
Sounds like a good Republican to me.
> I wanna merchandize all night,
Good call! It's stuck in my head now.
This is they guy who will sue your ass off if you try and make a documentary about Kiss cover bands.
Luckily I don't know enough Kiss to fit 'sue' into a song title. Slow news night, I guess.
There were posts above the 'first post?' modded troll(?)
Now they are gone.
Engage tinfoil hat. Set post to flame.
> I see nothing in this story that could be considered geeky
Trinity was the biggest physics experiment ever until George. Your definition of 'geeky' must be very sectarian.
I emailed them about facilitating this but got no reply.
Bring friends. T shirts for all.
same post again what the hell -
... uh ... clothes.
:- ) and/or leave a tip if possible.
Hopscotch Cafe - Friday Night Nov 2
Ave A btw 8 / 9 st
I'll get there around 8:30 and I'll be wearing
As usual respect the venue, buy something (no booze
Hopscotch Cafe
... uh ... clothes.
:- ) and/or leave a tip if possible.
Ave A btw 8 / 9 st
I'll get there around 8:30 and I'll be wearing
As usual respect the venue, buy something (no booze
A spot hasn't been picked. Cakeshop has the same comedy crews at the end of happy hour.
I'm leaning towards Hopscotch as it's a shorter trip with two cases of XL t shirts. But no booze.
If anyone has an opinion post away or else I'll ask the venue and set something up for Friday evening.
The t shirts arrived but late.
Anyone out there want one?
Free OBO.
> I find myself wondering how many times those engineers changed nothing and ended up having a laugh.
We used to call that the 'awesomizer' - an out of line board eq that you turned or even rode during a mix to keep the artist confused. Did nothing, looked important. Better still is busting the engineer when they try that. Tell them to take it out of line and when nothing happens grin at them. They don't do it after that.
If you can't hear eqs during mastering, what are you doing there?