An example I heard on NPR recently involved a damn which is being built, and the propeganda being sent to the people. People are being kicked out of their homes.
Well, I am a Chinese and perhaps I can tell you about this. This damn is built to prevent flood in the future. As you know, China has suffered floods almost every year. The government has already planned to build this damn in the past twenty years, and the reason it has just started construction is because many experts opposed this suggestion. And there was a famous debate between the two sides in 1997. The government formed a group of experts and they investigated the whole area, and submit a report that suggest to build. But 30 experts did not sign because they disagree with it. And those experts are living happily in China, even though they strong opposed the construction of damn. And those people have to move, but to better places. A villiage of people has been moved to Shanghai, and some to Beijing, Guangdong(all best places), and most of them are moved to Sichuan, the nearest province because they refuse to move any further. Propeganda is sent, but every government in this world likes propeganda, right? And most people are not stupid. I am not sure how you get those information about that the people are kicked off. Well, each and every one of them get money, at about 50 thousand RMB. It is a large number of money in China.
Well, I think that Chinese input/output is not the biggest problem for Linux. I use Chinese input/output on Linux everyday with RedHat 7.2. You can buy some input system(or you can download from the Internet). And I heard that Redhat starts to support simplified Chinese from 7.3, I'm not sure if it is true. The problem is that input system is not as easy to use as the Microsoft one. But you will get used to it when you use it everyday:)
What do you mean "discovered the problem?" You mean they didn't realize until 1971 that something on the order of 800 million people weren't recognized by the UN?
Of course not. They realised that the government in Taiwan cannot represent the whole of China. They realised that the legal government of China is the People's Republic of China since 1949.
More or less. Taiwan doesn't take part in the day-to-day affairs of the Chinese government and the reverse is also true.
No, they don't. But I've already said that China is not equals to PRC. PRC is a government, but China is a country. Taiwan belongs to China, but the government in Taiwan does not obey the government in mainland.
s are also a number of legitimate nations. In any event, you're being evasive. First you say that Taiwan belongs to no international organizations. Then,
when given a list of international organizations that Taiwan does belong to, you sidestep the issue by saying that, yes, Taiwan belongs to those organizations,
but that they don't count. So which is it?
You are certainly more stupid than I think. When I refer to "International organisations", I definitely refer to UN, WHO, and something like these. They are the organisations that require their members to be a COUNTRY. But for those you've listed, like WTO and IOC, their members need not to be a country.
By the way, Taiwan participate in these organisations under the name of Chinese Taipei, not Taiwan or ROC. This perhaps is another proof that Taiwan is a part of China.
believe it or not, that sort of behavior isn't entirely uncommon in democracies; particularly in relatively young ones like Taiwan. It's unfortunate (though
sometimes kind of funny), but not indicative of a country that's falling apart because democracy was introduced too soon.
I'm not sure whether Taiwan will be successful in the future. But I know they failed at the present. And for mainland China, it cannot fail a single second. It is a country with 1.3 billion. Once it collapse, the whole world will suffer. Can you image 1.3 billion people that do not anything to eat? Do USA wanna accept 1.3 billion people in starvation?
sincerely doubt it. Admittedly, capital flight is something of a problem for the Taiwanese, but I haven't seen anything that would lead one to believe that the
country's economy is in danger of imminent collapse because of it.
That's only because you do not read the newspapers. Indonesia is one of the example. It achieved 10 to 12% economical development in the past, but unfortunetely, it is now one of the poorest country in Asia. All thanks to democracy that comes to early. I remember that a Japanese used to say that if democracy comes too early, someday it will become democrazy. That is mostly true in Asian countries.
far poorer countries than Taiwan have made democracy work, and far richer
ones have managed to screw it up.
It is not a problem of whether the country is rich or poor, but when does democracy come. US is fine in democracy because you've practiced it for more than 200 years, you have a very strong middle class. But in most Asia countries, we do not have a strong middle class. People will really go crazy(democrazy) when democracy comes too early. Let's take Taiwan as an example. More than 75% voted in the presidential election. TRell me what's the number in US. In US, this number is less than 60%, sometimes even less than 50%(in France). Why? because they are "democrazy"!
Go and check the document. That is what it says. It "recovers", which means that PRC IS a legal government since 1949, but due to some reasons the UN did not realise it, and until 1971 they discovered that problem and thus "recover" the seat, and chase out that illegal representative of Chang. As clear as that.
You keep avoiding this point, so I'll say it once again: Taiwan's culture has split from China's in a number of ways over the past fifty years. They're capitalist,
your country is communist (albeit a heavily modified form of communism). They have a political process with several parties where you have one. They have
freedom of religion where the mainland does not. They have a relatively free press while China's is subject to state control. Most importantly, they don't take
orders from Beijing. Yes, there are cultural similarities in a number of areas, but one can say the same of the US and Canada. It still doesn't mean that they
should be joined at the hip. I'm sure that there's considerable sentiment for reunification, though from what I understand there are few in Taiwan who want to be
part of a united China that's communist. So that leaves the status quo and independence as viable options. In any event, the final choice is up to the
Taiwanese.
The whole thing is ridiculous. One China is a fact. It cannot be changed simply because mainland China is a communist country. So what you mean is that if China became democratic, Taiwan became one part of China and once it is a communist country, Taiwan is not a part of it. Is this what you mean? It is true that Taiwan did not obey Beijing, but we never say that Taiwan is a part of PRC, but a part of China. That China can be PRC or ROC, or any others.
Not really. Before independence we were British subjects from 1620 to 1776. British history up to 1776 was also our history, and it was more or less taught to
us that way since their prior actions led eventually to the settlement of North America.
That doesn't change any thing. You ARE independent NOW, therefore your point of view is very different from the British. But Taiwan, amazingly, still keeps almost the same view as mainland even today. Both of sides said that Japan invaded us in 1937, USA and other seven countries invaded us in 1900. Both of sides condemn these invasions. Both of sides taught their students there is only one China, just one said that PRC is the legal government while the other said that ROC is the legal one. I do wonder if you have ever been in Taiwan.
aiwan participates in the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum, the Asian Development Bank, the Central American Bank for Economic Integration, the
International Confederation of Free Trade Unions, the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, the International Olympic Committee,
the Wildlife Conservation Law, and the World Trade Organization. They all sure sound like international organizations to me.
These organisations are different. They do not require its member to be an independent country. Hong Kong is the member of these organisations as well. Macau is a member of these organisations.
n odd country it might be, but a country it is nonetheless. It's one of the world's 20 largest economies and they've built a vibrant, modern society with a
standard of living comparable to many European nations. They've earned their place in the sun.
They will not. Actually they are the best example of how democracy will affect one country's economy when the country is not ready. Just look at their news, there are fights between election candidates everywhere, there are news about illegal political trade everywhere. In the past two years when the new government come to power, they have already used up the money they saved for more than fifty years. The biggest problem for Taiwan is that they have democracy before they have a strong middle class. Their economy will collapse if this kind of situation continues.
Does that mean that your country's government wasn't legal until 1971 when the Chinese seat at the UN was taken from
Taiwan and given to China? You can't have it both ways.
Oh boy, you really know nothing. Go and check the documentation about accepting PRC. It did not say it "accept", but "recover" the PRC's seat in UN. For your information, it did not say ROC or Taiwan is not a member of UN any more, but "chase out the representative of Chang Kia-shi". So read more history, ok?
They never have, of course. To have done so would have been counterproductive to the nationalists' stated goal of defeating the communists and returning to
power on the mainland. The fact remains that the two cultures have diverged a great deal over the past five decades, and they're not going to be growing any
closer together in the coming years.
Then they are not independent. No country in this planet became independent even before they have annouced it.
don't, but at the same time I think you're placing too much hope there. When I was growing up in New England we were taught British history since we had
originally been a British colony and we have that shared history in common. But it's not like any of my classmates were filled with a desire to be reunited with
Great Britain.
That's different. You learnt history of Britain like learning a foreign history. But Taiwanese taught their kids in the way that this is their own country's history. That's a major differentce.
Oddly enough, China's relationship with Taiwan reminds me a lot of a guy who's just never been able to get over the fact that his ex-wife broke up with him
years ago.
Again, read! Reading is fun. History is beautiful.
So now we come to a conclusion. Taiwan is a "country", but it never annouced independent, the people there refuse to believe they are living in China, but yet call themselvs Chinese. They say that htey are Taiwanese, not Chinese, but yet they are taught with Chinese history text. They are recognised only by 28 countries and not accpted by any international organisations, and yet Taiwan is a country. What an odd country it is!
Uh, yeah. Americans have believed in human rights for a long time.
How interesting. If you've been believing in human rights for a long time, did Martin Luther King to fight for it? If something is already there, why somebody has to fight for it?
Like Hitler understanded racial equality in a different way?
Initially you are attacking the Communist, and now you are attacking the whole race of Chinese. Perhaps you agree with Hitler's value of raical equality. Chinese are bad races and they do not understand human rights, right?
Eight percent? Hardly anything to shout about. And in the USA, anyone can own a company, not just the Party favorties. And anyone can hold any opinion
without being sent to a shithole prison. China lets you 'stand up' the same way heroin makes you a genius.
Come to China, boy. Just come and look around, you will change your opinion.
And will pigs have to fly first?
That is the main difference. We want money first, democracy next. So leran some Chinese values first before talking all these nonsense. Read more about China. Confucius(Kongzi), Laozi, Mozi...Read the history of China, especailly the history of Ching. How you Americans and British invade us. You will understand why Chinese eagerly want to be strong.
about your comparison with Linus and RMS: We care about the Chinese people, and the government they are laboring under, because we think human rights
are a good thing and don't like seeing fellow humans die for holding opinions. We think we should help the Chinese government fall because we think slavery
is wrong. That is why.
Then Thank you. We do not need you and your values. We have ours, we have the values than has been passed on for five thousand years. Don't think that you are the world police. You are not, everybody can take good care of themselves. China can take care of itself. Chinese can take care of themselves. Sell your values to other places. They are not welcomed in China.
I'm very happy to know that you understand that the constitution is written in 1947 for all of China. So that means Taiwan was a part of China at that time, right? So tell me, when did Taiwanese annouce their independence? How can a country be independent when they did not even annouced it? Tell me the day please. Don't tell me that 1949 is their independence. Because it is the year that Chang escaped to Taiwan. But he had never say Taiwan is an independente country. So as his son. And Mr. Lee, and, the 'president' now Chen Shui Bian: He never said that Taiwan is independent. In fact, he said that he will never annouce independence.
You don't understand the international rules about how to diffrentiate a country and a state. No one recognise it, and the UN did not accept it, means that it is not a LEGAL government. And what I mean by saying poor is that Taiwanese is giving money to those countries every year in exchange for their recognition. If they stopped giving money, I do wonder if there is any country to recognise them?
So you mean that people are forced to tell lies in a survey? Come on, this is just survey, ok? If you talk about pressure, then the pressure from some Taiwan politicians is much more than the pressure from PRC. Some Taiwan politician(pro-independence) can just call somebody as a betrayer simply because he invested in mainland. Isn't this pressure bigger? Some Taiwanese like the idea of one country, two system, but they dare not to speak up.
I admit that those people who was born in Taiwan may not have a memory of China. But don't neglect the power of education. If you have ever been in Taiwan, you will discover, that the history and geography text books are teaching things about mainland China, not Taiwan. And most of them, most importantly, call themselves as Chinese(not only in the terms of race, but nationality, that is different in Chinese language, so I can differentiate it, for example, Singaporeans call themselves as Hua Ren, but Taiwanese call themselves Zhong Guo Ren).
Now come to the demonstration. This demonstration is pro-unification. The reason I mention that 30% of the demonstrators are undergraduates is to tell you that not all youngsters are against unification. That demonstration is definetely not a small one, it is organised by an organisation called Organisation of China Unification.
The best proof of Taiwan is not independent come from those pro-independence guys. They held a demonstration as well last month, calling the government to annouce independence. If Taiwan is independence, do the government to annouce it again? It is the best proof that Taiwan is NOT independent because even themselves did not recognise themselves as independent.
Lastly about free media. That's the most interesting one. Does free media mean to tell big lies on the newspapers. Well, for myself, I've seen many cases that western medias is not reporting the truth, or only half of the truth. The news about Taiwan and mainland is one of them. The plane incident is one. Tiananmen is one. And the attack to our embassy is yet another one.
Oh come on. All most every young man in China knows Locke and Thomas Jefferson. And we also know about Martin Luther King, who was fighting for human rights and civil rights of the blacks in 1960s. And if I am not mistaken, you Americans had already started shouting about freedom and human rights.
Linus Torvalds said in his autobiography that the reason he dislikes Richard Stallman is because he tried to force everybody to believe in his belif. And that is the reason why Chinese dislike Americans. We have different values, we understand human rights in a different way. And Americans tried to force us to believe so called human rights. We admire Thomas Jefferson, just like Linus admires Richard Stallman. But at the same time we also support Communist Party, because it is them who let us "stand up". Without them, we will not achieve 8% growth in economic development every year. Political reform shall only take place after the economical reform is finished.
Abraham Lincoln said that the government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth. Therefore, Communist Party shall not perish from China.
I don't think that WinXP Pro(Full) is only $120. In China, it is sold at RMB2400, which is approximately US$300, and dear Mr. Bill Gates claimed that it is the cheapest price in the world.
I have used Windows for 5 years, I thought that Win is the best OS in the world. But when I discovered Linux, I immediately realised that Windows is just some kind of toy. And they are very stupid toys indeed. Sometimes they can just stop running even before I hadn't start to do anything. But it will never happen in Linux.
I don't want to talk about the plane accident. You know nothing about it at all. Go home and check the newspapers, you fool.
And about Taiwan issue. Taiwan is not a country simply because: Only 28 governments recognise it as an independent country(And all of them are very small and poor country), and even the constitution of TAiwan does not call Taiwan as a country, but rather a province of China.(By the way, those 28 countries did not recognise Taiwan as a country, but Republic of China, which covers the whole China, according to the consititution of Taiwan)
And that Taiwanese did not want to be unified? You are totally wrong. Just look at the result of their election in 2000, only 39% goes to Chen Shui-bian, who supports independence. And the rest goes to those candidates who want a unification. Most young Taiwanese also want one China. In a demonstration held last Saturday, 30% of the protesters are undergraduates. They all want to be unified.(Again, just read more news before talking about all bullshits here)
More interestingly, there was a survey conducted last year, and 60% of the citizens in Taiwan even support the "One country, two system".(If you don't believe it, then again go home and read the newspapers, boy)
And perhaps you yourself shall consider why.
Then US has threatened many times that they will fight against PRC once we try to unify our country!
One simple US' policy to China: keep the country seperate, so that it will not be strong enough to be a threat to US.
But Taiwan is not Republic of Taiwan. Even Taiwan's constitution said that Taiwan is a part of China. So bend your president's mind with your spoon before bend mine. Do remind your president to read more, and learn more about China's history. And learn from his father. His father is very friendly with China, wasn't him?
Oh, we forced it to land? Who crashed their planes into our plane, just because yours is so much bigger(That's a spy plane, of course)? And whose life is lost? Does any Americans lost their lives? But one brave Chinese did!
And we did not shoot the plane down. Since that is international airspace, Chinese planes(including warplanes) have the right to fly as well. But your plane crashed towards ours. And our pilot died, your plane then landed in our country!
And lastly, don't try to play word games here. We all know that Mr. Bush's "Republic of Taiwan" is referring to an independent country, right? Don't tell me that you don't know, even a three-year old kid kows that!
That piece of history is not so clear right now. No evidence has showned that any students were killed by gun or army. Most of them died due to starvation(which is started by themselves).
Secondly, the reason armies entered the square is because a policeman has been burnt by the students. And some students even possessed weapons. They were armed.
But if I were the president, I will make the same decision. People at that time need money, need food, need a stable economy, not political reform. Look at Indonesia, look at southeast countries, even look at Taiwan. Their political reforms happened too fast, which is bad to economic development. Most importantly, there is 1 billion people in China at that time. Once China's economy collapse, the whole world will suffer. Do USA want to accept 100 million Chinese who are starved and do not have a job?
Of course calling Republic of California won't make it a republic, but calling Repulic of Taiwan will hurt the feelings of 1.3 billion Chinese who is living in mainland.
And Republic of China is not as bad as Republic of Taiwan. Chinese leaders have already said that whatever China it is called, People's Republic of China or Republic of China, is not a problem as long as Taiwan government admit the one-China policy!
Just for your information, Chang Kaisheck is not as great as Sun Yet San, just like Mao Zedong is not as great as Sun Yet San. Therefore it is better to bury Mr. Chang in his homeland:-)
That's right. Just for information for those who insist that Taiwan is an independent country, that even the constitution of Taiwan claims that there is only ONE China in this world, and Taiwan is just a province of it.(That is what has been written in the constitution, so you fools, go home and study it, stop talking bullshits here please) The most interesting part that the constitution of Taiwan even said that the Republic of Mongolia is part of it. Even the constitution of PRC did not mention that:-)
Well, you seem don't understand a very simple international rules of defining a country. Besides all those you have mentioned, there is one most important one: That the country is recgnoised by most of other countries in the world. But unfortunetly, Taiwan is only recognised as a coutry by 28 governments in this whole world! And Taiwan is not a member of the United Nations!
And you don't know about the history of China at all. So go home and study more before talking shit here please. Even Taiwanese themselves admit that there is only one China in the world.(Whatever China it is, People's Republic of China or Republic of China, that can be discussed).
1.3 billion people who is living in the mainland, 23 million people living in Taiwan and other 50 million Chinese who is living oversea all believe in this. So you better shut up if you do not want to be an enemy of the world's most populous race.
Just for your information, perhaps you just need to visit mainland China some time, so that you will discover that communism in China now is totally different from Russia or China in the past. And 20 years later, China will become one of the most powerful country in the world. So be careful at your words.
Well I don't think so. Not everybody need to know everything about computers. Why shall a doctor bother about how to install Linux? That is nothing to do with his work! The point is to make free software as easy to use as possible in the future. People then will switch to free software.
First, this is not a mistake, since your general had already said that only two out of ten thousand missiles will be mistakenly hit the target. And second, the protests are not controlled by the government. I was one of the protesters at that time. All of us were just very angry about all these things. USA had been very unfriendly with us since 1989.
Do you think that it is a shame not to speak a language that is spoken by one fifth of the population in this planet? And who send the spy plane to our country? And who attacked our embassy? And who claim Taiwan as "Republic of Taiwan"? What is your feeling when Chinese send our spy planes to California? Or Washington? How about calling "Republic of California"? Chinese people will never be kind to Americans like you. Perhaps you just need to understand China better.
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Well, I am a Chinese and perhaps I can tell you about this. This damn is built to prevent flood in the future. As you know, China has suffered floods almost every year. The government has already planned to build this damn in the past twenty years, and the reason it has just started construction is because many experts opposed this suggestion. And there was a famous debate between the two sides in 1997. The government formed a group of experts and they investigated the whole area, and submit a report that suggest to build. But 30 experts did not sign because they disagree with it. And those experts are living happily in China, even though they strong opposed the construction of damn. And those people have to move, but to better places. A villiage of people has been moved to Shanghai, and some to Beijing, Guangdong(all best places), and most of them are moved to Sichuan, the nearest province because they refuse to move any further. Propeganda is sent, but every government in this world likes propeganda, right? And most people are not stupid. I am not sure how you get those information about that the people are kicked off. Well, each and every one of them get money, at about 50 thousand RMB. It is a large number of money in China.
Well, I think that Chinese input/output is not the biggest problem for Linux. I use Chinese input/output on Linux everyday with RedHat 7.2. You can buy some input system(or you can download from the Internet). And I heard that Redhat starts to support simplified Chinese from 7.3, I'm not sure if it is true. The problem is that input system is not as easy to use as the Microsoft one. But you will get used to it when you use it everyday:)
Of course not. They realised that the government in Taiwan cannot represent the whole of China. They realised that the legal government of China is the People's Republic of China since 1949.
More or less. Taiwan doesn't take part in the day-to-day affairs of the Chinese government and the reverse is also true.
No, they don't. But I've already said that China is not equals to PRC. PRC is a government, but China is a country. Taiwan belongs to China, but the government in Taiwan does not obey the government in mainland.
s are also a number of legitimate nations. In any event, you're being evasive. First you say that Taiwan belongs to no international organizations. Then, when given a list of international organizations that Taiwan does belong to, you sidestep the issue by saying that, yes, Taiwan belongs to those organizations, but that they don't count. So which is it?
You are certainly more stupid than I think. When I refer to "International organisations", I definitely refer to UN, WHO, and something like these. They are the organisations that require their members to be a COUNTRY. But for those you've listed, like WTO and IOC, their members need not to be a country.
By the way, Taiwan participate in these organisations under the name of Chinese Taipei, not Taiwan or ROC. This perhaps is another proof that Taiwan is a part of China.
believe it or not, that sort of behavior isn't entirely uncommon in democracies; particularly in relatively young ones like Taiwan. It's unfortunate (though sometimes kind of funny), but not indicative of a country that's falling apart because democracy was introduced too soon.
I'm not sure whether Taiwan will be successful in the future. But I know they failed at the present. And for mainland China, it cannot fail a single second. It is a country with 1.3 billion. Once it collapse, the whole world will suffer. Can you image 1.3 billion people that do not anything to eat? Do USA wanna accept 1.3 billion people in starvation?
sincerely doubt it. Admittedly, capital flight is something of a problem for the Taiwanese, but I haven't seen anything that would lead one to believe that the country's economy is in danger of imminent collapse because of it.
That's only because you do not read the newspapers. Indonesia is one of the example. It achieved 10 to 12% economical development in the past, but unfortunetely, it is now one of the poorest country in Asia. All thanks to democracy that comes to early. I remember that a Japanese used to say that if democracy comes too early, someday it will become democrazy. That is mostly true in Asian countries.
far poorer countries than Taiwan have made democracy work, and far richer ones have managed to screw it up.
It is not a problem of whether the country is rich or poor, but when does democracy come. US is fine in democracy because you've practiced it for more than 200 years, you have a very strong middle class. But in most Asia countries, we do not have a strong middle class. People will really go crazy(democrazy) when democracy comes too early. Let's take Taiwan as an example. More than 75% voted in the presidential election. TRell me what's the number in US. In US, this number is less than 60%, sometimes even less than 50%(in France). Why? because they are "democrazy"!
You keep avoiding this point, so I'll say it once again: Taiwan's culture has split from China's in a number of ways over the past fifty years. They're capitalist, your country is communist (albeit a heavily modified form of communism). They have a political process with several parties where you have one. They have freedom of religion where the mainland does not. They have a relatively free press while China's is subject to state control. Most importantly, they don't take orders from Beijing. Yes, there are cultural similarities in a number of areas, but one can say the same of the US and Canada. It still doesn't mean that they should be joined at the hip. I'm sure that there's considerable sentiment for reunification, though from what I understand there are few in Taiwan who want to be part of a united China that's communist. So that leaves the status quo and independence as viable options. In any event, the final choice is up to the Taiwanese.
The whole thing is ridiculous. One China is a fact. It cannot be changed simply because mainland China is a communist country. So what you mean is that if China became democratic, Taiwan became one part of China and once it is a communist country, Taiwan is not a part of it. Is this what you mean? It is true that Taiwan did not obey Beijing, but we never say that Taiwan is a part of PRC, but a part of China. That China can be PRC or ROC, or any others.
Not really. Before independence we were British subjects from 1620 to 1776. British history up to 1776 was also our history, and it was more or less taught to us that way since their prior actions led eventually to the settlement of North America.
That doesn't change any thing. You ARE independent NOW, therefore your point of view is very different from the British. But Taiwan, amazingly, still keeps almost the same view as mainland even today. Both of sides said that Japan invaded us in 1937, USA and other seven countries invaded us in 1900. Both of sides condemn these invasions. Both of sides taught their students there is only one China, just one said that PRC is the legal government while the other said that ROC is the legal one. I do wonder if you have ever been in Taiwan.
aiwan participates in the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum, the Asian Development Bank, the Central American Bank for Economic Integration, the International Confederation of Free Trade Unions, the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, the International Olympic Committee, the Wildlife Conservation Law, and the World Trade Organization. They all sure sound like international organizations to me.
These organisations are different. They do not require its member to be an independent country. Hong Kong is the member of these organisations as well. Macau is a member of these organisations.
n odd country it might be, but a country it is nonetheless. It's one of the world's 20 largest economies and they've built a vibrant, modern society with a standard of living comparable to many European nations. They've earned their place in the sun.
They will not. Actually they are the best example of how democracy will affect one country's economy when the country is not ready. Just look at their news, there are fights between election candidates everywhere, there are news about illegal political trade everywhere. In the past two years when the new government come to power, they have already used up the money they saved for more than fifty years. The biggest problem for Taiwan is that they have democracy before they have a strong middle class. Their economy will collapse if this kind of situation continues.
Oh boy, you really know nothing. Go and check the documentation about accepting PRC. It did not say it "accept", but "recover" the PRC's seat in UN. For your information, it did not say ROC or Taiwan is not a member of UN any more, but "chase out the representative of Chang Kia-shi". So read more history, ok?
They never have, of course. To have done so would have been counterproductive to the nationalists' stated goal of defeating the communists and returning to power on the mainland. The fact remains that the two cultures have diverged a great deal over the past five decades, and they're not going to be growing any closer together in the coming years.
Then they are not independent. No country in this planet became independent even before they have annouced it.
don't, but at the same time I think you're placing too much hope there. When I was growing up in New England we were taught British history since we had originally been a British colony and we have that shared history in common. But it's not like any of my classmates were filled with a desire to be reunited with Great Britain.
That's different. You learnt history of Britain like learning a foreign history. But Taiwanese taught their kids in the way that this is their own country's history. That's a major differentce.
Oddly enough, China's relationship with Taiwan reminds me a lot of a guy who's just never been able to get over the fact that his ex-wife broke up with him years ago.
Again, read! Reading is fun. History is beautiful.
So now we come to a conclusion. Taiwan is a "country", but it never annouced independent, the people there refuse to believe they are living in China, but yet call themselvs Chinese. They say that htey are Taiwanese, not Chinese, but yet they are taught with Chinese history text. They are recognised only by 28 countries and not accpted by any international organisations, and yet Taiwan is a country. What an odd country it is!
How interesting. If you've been believing in human rights for a long time, did Martin Luther King to fight for it? If something is already there, why somebody has to fight for it?
Like Hitler understanded racial equality in a different way? Initially you are attacking the Communist, and now you are attacking the whole race of Chinese. Perhaps you agree with Hitler's value of raical equality. Chinese are bad races and they do not understand human rights, right?
Eight percent? Hardly anything to shout about. And in the USA, anyone can own a company, not just the Party favorties. And anyone can hold any opinion without being sent to a shithole prison. China lets you 'stand up' the same way heroin makes you a genius.
Come to China, boy. Just come and look around, you will change your opinion.
And will pigs have to fly first? That is the main difference. We want money first, democracy next. So leran some Chinese values first before talking all these nonsense. Read more about China. Confucius(Kongzi), Laozi, Mozi...Read the history of China, especailly the history of Ching. How you Americans and British invade us. You will understand why Chinese eagerly want to be strong.
about your comparison with Linus and RMS: We care about the Chinese people, and the government they are laboring under, because we think human rights are a good thing and don't like seeing fellow humans die for holding opinions. We think we should help the Chinese government fall because we think slavery is wrong. That is why.
Then Thank you. We do not need you and your values. We have ours, we have the values than has been passed on for five thousand years. Don't think that you are the world police. You are not, everybody can take good care of themselves. China can take care of itself. Chinese can take care of themselves. Sell your values to other places. They are not welcomed in China.
You don't understand the international rules about how to diffrentiate a country and a state. No one recognise it, and the UN did not accept it, means that it is not a LEGAL government. And what I mean by saying poor is that Taiwanese is giving money to those countries every year in exchange for their recognition. If they stopped giving money, I do wonder if there is any country to recognise them?
So you mean that people are forced to tell lies in a survey? Come on, this is just survey, ok? If you talk about pressure, then the pressure from some Taiwan politicians is much more than the pressure from PRC. Some Taiwan politician(pro-independence) can just call somebody as a betrayer simply because he invested in mainland. Isn't this pressure bigger? Some Taiwanese like the idea of one country, two system, but they dare not to speak up.
I admit that those people who was born in Taiwan may not have a memory of China. But don't neglect the power of education. If you have ever been in Taiwan, you will discover, that the history and geography text books are teaching things about mainland China, not Taiwan. And most of them, most importantly, call themselves as Chinese(not only in the terms of race, but nationality, that is different in Chinese language, so I can differentiate it, for example, Singaporeans call themselves as Hua Ren, but Taiwanese call themselves Zhong Guo Ren). Now come to the demonstration. This demonstration is pro-unification. The reason I mention that 30% of the demonstrators are undergraduates is to tell you that not all youngsters are against unification. That demonstration is definetely not a small one, it is organised by an organisation called Organisation of China Unification.
The best proof of Taiwan is not independent come from those pro-independence guys. They held a demonstration as well last month, calling the government to annouce independence. If Taiwan is independence, do the government to annouce it again? It is the best proof that Taiwan is NOT independent because even themselves did not recognise themselves as independent.
Lastly about free media. That's the most interesting one. Does free media mean to tell big lies on the newspapers. Well, for myself, I've seen many cases that western medias is not reporting the truth, or only half of the truth. The news about Taiwan and mainland is one of them. The plane incident is one. Tiananmen is one. And the attack to our embassy is yet another one.
Oh come on. All most every young man in China knows Locke and Thomas Jefferson. And we also know about Martin Luther King, who was fighting for human rights and civil rights of the blacks in 1960s. And if I am not mistaken, you Americans had already started shouting about freedom and human rights. Linus Torvalds said in his autobiography that the reason he dislikes Richard Stallman is because he tried to force everybody to believe in his belif. And that is the reason why Chinese dislike Americans. We have different values, we understand human rights in a different way. And Americans tried to force us to believe so called human rights. We admire Thomas Jefferson, just like Linus admires Richard Stallman. But at the same time we also support Communist Party, because it is them who let us "stand up". Without them, we will not achieve 8% growth in economic development every year. Political reform shall only take place after the economical reform is finished. Abraham Lincoln said that the government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth. Therefore, Communist Party shall not perish from China.
I don't think that WinXP Pro(Full) is only $120. In China, it is sold at RMB2400, which is approximately US$300, and dear Mr. Bill Gates claimed that it is the cheapest price in the world. I have used Windows for 5 years, I thought that Win is the best OS in the world. But when I discovered Linux, I immediately realised that Windows is just some kind of toy. And they are very stupid toys indeed. Sometimes they can just stop running even before I hadn't start to do anything. But it will never happen in Linux.
I don't want to talk about the plane accident. You know nothing about it at all. Go home and check the newspapers, you fool. And about Taiwan issue. Taiwan is not a country simply because: Only 28 governments recognise it as an independent country(And all of them are very small and poor country), and even the constitution of TAiwan does not call Taiwan as a country, but rather a province of China.(By the way, those 28 countries did not recognise Taiwan as a country, but Republic of China, which covers the whole China, according to the consititution of Taiwan) And that Taiwanese did not want to be unified? You are totally wrong. Just look at the result of their election in 2000, only 39% goes to Chen Shui-bian, who supports independence. And the rest goes to those candidates who want a unification. Most young Taiwanese also want one China. In a demonstration held last Saturday, 30% of the protesters are undergraduates. They all want to be unified.(Again, just read more news before talking about all bullshits here) More interestingly, there was a survey conducted last year, and 60% of the citizens in Taiwan even support the "One country, two system".(If you don't believe it, then again go home and read the newspapers, boy) And perhaps you yourself shall consider why.
Then US has threatened many times that they will fight against PRC once we try to unify our country! One simple US' policy to China: keep the country seperate, so that it will not be strong enough to be a threat to US.
But Taiwan is not Republic of Taiwan. Even Taiwan's constitution said that Taiwan is a part of China. So bend your president's mind with your spoon before bend mine. Do remind your president to read more, and learn more about China's history. And learn from his father. His father is very friendly with China, wasn't him?
Oh, we forced it to land? Who crashed their planes into our plane, just because yours is so much bigger(That's a spy plane, of course)? And whose life is lost? Does any Americans lost their lives? But one brave Chinese did! And we did not shoot the plane down. Since that is international airspace, Chinese planes(including warplanes) have the right to fly as well. But your plane crashed towards ours. And our pilot died, your plane then landed in our country! And lastly, don't try to play word games here. We all know that Mr. Bush's "Republic of Taiwan" is referring to an independent country, right? Don't tell me that you don't know, even a three-year old kid kows that!
That piece of history is not so clear right now. No evidence has showned that any students were killed by gun or army. Most of them died due to starvation(which is started by themselves). Secondly, the reason armies entered the square is because a policeman has been burnt by the students. And some students even possessed weapons. They were armed. But if I were the president, I will make the same decision. People at that time need money, need food, need a stable economy, not political reform. Look at Indonesia, look at southeast countries, even look at Taiwan. Their political reforms happened too fast, which is bad to economic development. Most importantly, there is 1 billion people in China at that time. Once China's economy collapse, the whole world will suffer. Do USA want to accept 100 million Chinese who are starved and do not have a job?
Of course calling Republic of California won't make it a republic, but calling Repulic of Taiwan will hurt the feelings of 1.3 billion Chinese who is living in mainland. And Republic of China is not as bad as Republic of Taiwan. Chinese leaders have already said that whatever China it is called, People's Republic of China or Republic of China, is not a problem as long as Taiwan government admit the one-China policy! Just for your information, Chang Kaisheck is not as great as Sun Yet San, just like Mao Zedong is not as great as Sun Yet San. Therefore it is better to bury Mr. Chang in his homeland:-)
That's right. Just for information for those who insist that Taiwan is an independent country, that even the constitution of Taiwan claims that there is only ONE China in this world, and Taiwan is just a province of it.(That is what has been written in the constitution, so you fools, go home and study it, stop talking bullshits here please) The most interesting part that the constitution of Taiwan even said that the Republic of Mongolia is part of it. Even the constitution of PRC did not mention that:-)
Well, you seem don't understand a very simple international rules of defining a country. Besides all those you have mentioned, there is one most important one: That the country is recgnoised by most of other countries in the world. But unfortunetly, Taiwan is only recognised as a coutry by 28 governments in this whole world! And Taiwan is not a member of the United Nations! And you don't know about the history of China at all. So go home and study more before talking shit here please. Even Taiwanese themselves admit that there is only one China in the world.(Whatever China it is, People's Republic of China or Republic of China, that can be discussed). 1.3 billion people who is living in the mainland, 23 million people living in Taiwan and other 50 million Chinese who is living oversea all believe in this. So you better shut up if you do not want to be an enemy of the world's most populous race. Just for your information, perhaps you just need to visit mainland China some time, so that you will discover that communism in China now is totally different from Russia or China in the past. And 20 years later, China will become one of the most powerful country in the world. So be careful at your words.
Well I don't think so. Not everybody need to know everything about computers. Why shall a doctor bother about how to install Linux? That is nothing to do with his work! The point is to make free software as easy to use as possible in the future. People then will switch to free software.
First, this is not a mistake, since your general had already said that only two out of ten thousand missiles will be mistakenly hit the target. And second, the protests are not controlled by the government. I was one of the protesters at that time. All of us were just very angry about all these things. USA had been very unfriendly with us since 1989.
Do you think that it is a shame not to speak a language that is spoken by one fifth of the population in this planet? And who send the spy plane to our country? And who attacked our embassy? And who claim Taiwan as "Republic of Taiwan"? What is your feeling when Chinese send our spy planes to California? Or Washington? How about calling "Republic of California"?
Chinese people will never be kind to Americans like you.
Perhaps you just need to understand China better.