Wouldn't surprise me if, after all these years, he's being paid by someone else to be the 'corporate avenger' and direct his attacks for money. Hey, we've all got to make money somehow I suppose.
Because Nader himself still hasn't notice, the gov't has Nader on a permanent ignore setting. The US gov't wants to keep putting money into the economy, and it can't accomplish that by switching to a new system that will, for a while, require each office to have a cadre of support engineers because no one knows how to use Linux.
It's not just the cost of the software, but training, infrastructure, and maintenence too.
A goverment/corporation wants a system that is reliable and compatible. As far as compatibility goes, M$ has it and so does everyone else these days. But Open Source is still mostly unsupported, both by manufacturters and many software companies.
It would be pointless for the US Gov't to invest in a system that would require the formation of a n entire dept. for just watching bugtraq.
on top of that, why should M$ make it's patented technologie savailible to the public? The company is entitled to make money for thier trouble, and if all thier code was made availible it would change their entire business strategy. The Justice dept. knows this, and will most likely side with M$ on this particular issue.
Sorry buddy, but M$ and sun are the only two companies that have proven themselves able to support the task. If anything the US gov't would rather have a custom OS written for themselves by Sun or M$ than go to linux.
Nader used to be someone to look up to, but recently he's become yet another bandwagon activist. There's more to competition than being anti-M$.
I think I must have missed something important here.
If you live in a capitalist society, you have to deal with capitalism. Just because a company finds a niche and exploits it, everyone considers them evil.
When you find your niche and get rich, I guess we can call you evil too. No, it doesn't matter who you are or what your background is, you'll be evil.
If you don't like the way it works, get out there and find or make something that works for you. If you can't demonstrate the ability to come up with a reasonable alternative, I have no time to listen to you whine.
Well, To many of us, college should be more than just an educational experience. Yes, it's important to learn from the courses you take, but there is so much more to the college experience than what one can typically find on campus.
I personally don't approve of a company which hires based upon someone's grades. It's a risky plan, mainly because a person can learn to "play the game" as far as schoolwork goes. A person may have the highest of grades, but could also have borrowed someone else's homework, purchased term papers, 'borrowed' GPL'ed code, programmed the entire textbook into their graphing calculator, etc... I don't want to start a rant on cheating in college, I just wanted to illustrate the point that in the long run it isn't your grades that matter, but what you can/will demonstrate in applied knowledge for an employer.
So get those internships, the experience you can glean from these crap jobs can be more valuble than all of your classes put together.
And for god sakes, while your in college, ENJOY IT. It's your first time away from home, you don't have to work full time yet and the classes really aren't as heard as that recruiter made them out to be. Go to keggers, find lots of women, trash cars, pull pranks, and experiment goddamnit. Nothing pisses me off more than a college student that does nothing but study.
AND FFS, it may be your first time away from home, but you still have to shower EVERY DAY!
I guess Jon should realize that unless he is actually writing something that speaks for the slashdot community (which seems unlikely), he should keep things written as if they are soley his opinion, because as far as I'm concerned, they are.
We may agree with you buddy, but you're not the first person I'd choose to give a representation of a common opinion.
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This is really funny. On top of being a pointless rant about the rise of an industry giant, the fact that this book can be found on Amazon.com is even funnier.
I think this guy must be smart, I mean he had the discipline to sit down a write a book about it, but it's simply just whining when you talk about a corporation losing it's vision.
Time and time again we see people like this, launching 'watchdog' books about a corporation for whom, for one reason or another, they were formerly employed by. Most of the time all something like this tends to do is give publicity to a company. (And if you know anything about business, any publicity is good publicity.) I think that such books like this only help to contribute to a larger problem.
I guess it's just important for these people to get something off of thier chest. I know as a consumer that I could care less about the intricate workings of many corporations of which I am a customer, as long as their prices stay low and their service remains acceptable.
Except me, at any game, on my Pentium 200 MHz Compaq presario:D.
I loved that thing until it died, and then i built an Athlon 1.1 Ghz box with a GForce 2 Ti and now everyone not only hates me because I beat them, but also because my machine r0x0rs thier b0x0rz...
I hate to keep on these 25 year-old guys living in thier parents basements, but maybe this will get these guys outside. They can sit on the lawn and play quake 3. Or go to the bar and play quake 3. Or sit on the can and play quake 3...
1. Determining your resource constraints. 2. Creating an Abstract implementation. 3. Implementation using code, machines, and people.
This should be taught in everyone's first programming class. What should NOT be taught is efficiency analysis and stucture. All that intro class should do is teach you how to make things compile. If you take a class to teach each different aspect of coding, a person should have applied experience in each area.
I've been over this so many times it makes me want to kick someone in the teeth...
It always seems like programmers say that you have to know data structures and algorithms first to write good programs. Unfortunatly, these people have forgotten they had to LEARN TO CODE first. I dissapprove of any program that teaches theory first and syntax second because once the theory is there, people have the bad habit of trying to do things word for word. If these people had thier way, the towers of hanoi problem would only be taught iteratively!
Part of the nature of a hacker is to ask questions.
Sure, we all have to learn somehow. Have you ever seen the "Nick Burns, Computer Guy" sketch on SNL? That's what talking to most hackers is like. Hackers may teach each other, but normally it by passing you off to a link or some other reference. Since not all of us can learn in this fashion, one might as well be asking thier hairdresser to teach them about buffer overflows in BIND.
The hacker community as a whole does nothing but teach each other stuff.
Maybe they should teach each other a little something about tact, empathy, and of course, personal hygiene.
Perhaps you like to ignore the hacker publications like 2600 Magazine.
This is like saying "Newsweek tells me the news". Sure, it has some substance, but how useful is half of the garbage they print in that magazine anymore? It's really gone downhill from what it used to be. Not to mention that it's nearly impossible to find anymore (ESPECIALLY if you don't live in a big city).
And to elaborate upon "hackers don't tend to teach each other anything", at a con like DEFCON, your trying to win. Why would you teach a no0b how to do it when you could be using your time to get it done yourself?
Oh right, RTFM is not a valid training technique for an absolute no0b once programs get more complex than outlook. So don't even go there.
Unfortunatly there are gobs of renegade sysadmins out there who still try and secure thier boxes rather than simply turning off services. The problem with not combining these two ideas is that either way there are still holes in your security. No setup is rock solid unless it combines security in the form of no extraneous services, freshly patched services, and hardware security (routers, VPNs, firewalls).
Yet as people have joked, a disconnected machine is still the most secure, and a parallel cable can save yer arse.
Everyone has a different way in which they learn, some people can't just be told or shown but must do something hands on.
Maybe there's something to be said for DEFCON as a way to learn security.
I look at it this way: Training should include some of the boring stuff, because it does tend to be important. Yet you must also cover how things work in the real world, and the best way to do this is by demonstration (not just by being shown, but also by seeing and doing it yourself).
Maybe a combination of classwork/honeypot games would make a good training course.
(BTW, That idea is open Source, just like my beer).
None, because hackers don't tend to teach each other anything. If a company were to send thier IT team to DEFCON with the hope they would learn something, it would also make sense that the company in question must have a CIO who smokes crack.
Security seminars are geared so that everyone learns, cons are geared so that people who already know can have fun.
It's a silly idea all together, hacking, but I guess it must be better than girls/sunlight.
Any hackers who get busted deserve what they get for being dumb enough to show.
I recall a sherrif's dept. sending out letters to people with outstanding warrants exclaiming that they had one a prize and had to go to a certain address to claim it. Needless to say, the cops had a field day arresting all sorts of people, who were actually dumb enough to buy the ploy.
Just rememebr, if you're doing illegal things, there's always a chance you'll get caught. The best thing to do is just not get caught:)
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You hit the nail on the head.
Wouldn't surprise me if, after all these years, he's being paid by someone else to be the 'corporate avenger' and direct his attacks for money. Hey, we've all got to make money somehow I suppose.
Because Nader himself still hasn't notice, the gov't has Nader on a permanent ignore setting. The US gov't wants to keep putting money into the economy, and it can't accomplish that by switching to a new system that will, for a while, require each office to have a cadre of support engineers because no one knows how to use Linux.
It's not just the cost of the software, but training, infrastructure, and maintenence too.
A goverment/corporation wants a system that is reliable and compatible. As far as compatibility goes, M$ has it and so does everyone else these days. But Open Source is still mostly unsupported, both by manufacturters and many software companies.
It would be pointless for the US Gov't to invest in a system that would require the formation of a n entire dept. for just watching bugtraq.
on top of that, why should M$ make it's patented technologie savailible to the public? The company is entitled to make money for thier trouble, and if all thier code was made availible it would change their entire business strategy. The Justice dept. knows this, and will most likely side with M$ on this particular issue.
Sorry buddy, but M$ and sun are the only two companies that have proven themselves able to support the task. If anything the US gov't would rather have a custom OS written for themselves by Sun or M$ than go to linux.
Nader used to be someone to look up to, but recently he's become yet another bandwagon activist. There's more to competition than being anti-M$.
I think I must have missed something important here.
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If you live in a capitalist society, you have to deal with capitalism. Just because a company finds a niche and exploits it, everyone considers them evil.
When you find your niche and get rich, I guess we can call you evil too. No, it doesn't matter who you are or what your background is, you'll be evil.
:P
This is the kind of garbage I expect on
Go back to living under your rock.
Indeed, but such is business.
If you don't like the way it works, get out there and find or make something that works for you. If you can't demonstrate the ability to come up with a reasonable alternative, I have no time to listen to you whine.
Well, To many of us, college should be more than just an educational experience. Yes, it's important to learn from the courses you take, but there is so much more to the college experience than what one can typically find on campus.
I personally don't approve of a company which hires based upon someone's grades. It's a risky plan, mainly because a person can learn to "play the game" as far as schoolwork goes. A person may have the highest of grades, but could also have borrowed someone else's homework, purchased term papers, 'borrowed' GPL'ed code, programmed the entire textbook into their graphing calculator, etc... I don't want to start a rant on cheating in college, I just wanted to illustrate the point that in the long run it isn't your grades that matter, but what you can/will demonstrate in applied knowledge for an employer.
So get those internships, the experience you can glean from these crap jobs can be more valuble than all of your classes put together.
And for god sakes, while your in college, ENJOY IT. It's your first time away from home, you don't have to work full time yet and the classes really aren't as heard as that recruiter made them out to be. Go to keggers, find lots of women, trash cars, pull pranks, and experiment goddamnit. Nothing pisses me off more than a college student that does nothing but study.
AND FFS, it may be your first time away from home, but you still have to shower EVERY DAY!
Jon, john, and Johann?
I guess Jon should realize that unless he is actually writing something that speaks for the slashdot community (which seems unlikely), he should keep things written as if they are soley his opinion, because as far as I'm concerned, they are.
We may agree with you buddy, but you're not the first person I'd choose to give a representation of a common opinion.
This is really funny. On top of being a pointless rant about the rise of an industry giant, the fact that this book can be found on Amazon.com is even funnier.
I think this guy must be smart, I mean he had the discipline to sit down a write a book about it, but it's simply just whining when you talk about a corporation losing it's vision.
Time and time again we see people like this, launching 'watchdog' books about a corporation for whom, for one reason or another, they were formerly employed by. Most of the time all something like this tends to do is give publicity to a company. (And if you know anything about business, any publicity is good publicity.) I think that such books like this only help to contribute to a larger problem.
I guess it's just important for these people to get something off of thier chest. I know as a consumer that I could care less about the intricate workings of many corporations of which I am a customer, as long as their prices stay low and their service remains acceptable.
That's what you get when you run a large scale website on Dell hardware.
Dude, You're geting a 404.
And yet the AMD processors still outclass the Intels of faster speeds...
Go figure.
A 5 year old PowerBook full of child pr0n?
Except me, at any game, on my Pentium 200 MHz Compaq presario :D.
I loved that thing until it died, and then i built an Athlon 1.1 Ghz box with a GForce 2 Ti and now everyone not only hates me because I beat them, but also because my machine r0x0rs thier b0x0rz...
Yeah, the new PBs rule...
:/...
Except for the fact that it takes 18 months for all the cool games to get on mac after theya re realesed for PC
I hate to keep on these 25 year-old guys living in thier parents basements, but maybe this will get these guys outside. They can sit on the lawn and play quake 3. Or go to the bar and play quake 3. Or sit on the can and play quake 3...
OR TAKE A SHOWER DAMNIT!!!
I was taught there are three steps to design:
1. Determining your resource constraints.
2. Creating an Abstract implementation.
3. Implementation using code, machines, and people.
This should be taught in everyone's first programming class. What should NOT be taught is efficiency analysis and stucture. All that intro class should do is teach you how to make things compile. If you take a class to teach each different aspect of coding, a person should have applied experience in each area.
I've been over this so many times it makes me want to kick someone in the teeth...
It always seems like programmers say that you have to know data structures and algorithms first to write good programs. Unfortunatly, these people have forgotten they had to LEARN TO CODE first. I dissapprove of any program that teaches theory first and syntax second because once the theory is there, people have the bad habit of trying to do things word for word. If these people had thier way, the towers of hanoi problem would only be taught iteratively!
Ok, i'm going home. Today sucked.
Part of the nature of a hacker is to ask questions.
Sure, we all have to learn somehow. Have you ever seen the "Nick Burns, Computer Guy" sketch on SNL? That's what talking to most hackers is like. Hackers may teach each other, but normally it by passing you off to a link or some other reference. Since not all of us can learn in this fashion, one might as well be asking thier hairdresser to teach them about buffer overflows in BIND.
The hacker community as a whole does nothing but teach each other stuff.
Maybe they should teach each other a little something about tact, empathy, and of course, personal hygiene.
Perhaps you like to ignore the hacker publications like 2600 Magazine.
This is like saying "Newsweek tells me the news". Sure, it has some substance, but how useful is half of the garbage they print in that magazine anymore? It's really gone downhill from what it used to be. Not to mention that it's nearly impossible to find anymore (ESPECIALLY if you don't live in a big city).
And to elaborate upon "hackers don't tend to teach each other anything", at a con like DEFCON, your trying to win. Why would you teach a no0b how to do it when you could be using your time to get it done yourself?
Oh right, RTFM is not a valid training technique for an absolute no0b once programs get more complex than outlook. So don't even go there.
Unfortunatly there are gobs of renegade sysadmins out there who still try and secure thier boxes rather than simply turning off services. The problem with not combining these two ideas is that either way there are still holes in your security. No setup is rock solid unless it combines security in the form of no extraneous services, freshly patched services, and hardware security (routers, VPNs, firewalls).
Yet as people have joked, a disconnected machine is still the most secure, and a parallel cable can save yer arse.
Everyone has a different way in which they learn, some people can't just be told or shown but must do something hands on.
Maybe there's something to be said for DEFCON as a way to learn security.
I look at it this way: Training should include some of the boring stuff, because it does tend to be important. Yet you must also cover how things work in the real world, and the best way to do this is by demonstration (not just by being shown, but also by seeing and doing it yourself).
Maybe a combination of classwork/honeypot games would make a good training course.
(BTW, That idea is open Source, just like my beer).
None, because hackers don't tend to teach each other anything. If a company were to send thier IT team to DEFCON with the hope they would learn something, it would also make sense that the company in question must have a CIO who smokes crack.
Security seminars are geared so that everyone learns, cons are geared so that people who already know can have fun.
It's a silly idea all together, hacking, but I guess it must be better than girls/sunlight.
:)
Any hackers who get busted deserve what they get for being dumb enough to show.
I recall a sherrif's dept. sending out letters to people with outstanding warrants exclaiming that they had one a prize and had to go to a certain address to claim it. Needless to say, the cops had a field day arresting all sorts of people, who were actually dumb enough to buy the ploy.
Just rememebr, if you're doing illegal things, there's always a chance you'll get caught. The best thing to do is just not get caught
HA! it's like 12 extra channels (i.e. excluding local stations) here
:P
I think that makes it a nice even 18
300+ channels and all you watch is the history channel :P